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Supreme Court Clears Patent Invalidity Suits

The Empiricist writes "The United States Supreme Court has cleared the way for entities to sue over the validity of a patent — even while paying user fees to the patent holder. The eight-to-one Medimmune v. Genetech decision, written by Justice Scalia, held that by paying royalties to a patent holder, one does not necessarily waive the right to challenge the validity of the patent."

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  1. One would hope... by Bryansix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that it is obvious that the Supreme Court would reach this decision. Any other decision would defy all logic.

    1. Re:One would hope... by Quila · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Any other decision would defy all logic.

      Which is why I almost expected any other decision. Some of their recent decisions have not been at all logical.
    2. Re:One would hope... by Mayhem178 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Any other decision would defy all logic.

      You're not from around here, are you...

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    3. Re:One would hope... by MBCook · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm quite glad that they did and by such a large margin, but the lower court's opinion had logic behind it. If you license the patent, then you are agreeing that it's valid (you licensed it, after all), and thus have no right to challenge it's validity. That logic makes sense, however, this decision makes quite a bit more sense. You shouldn't be forced to either fight a patent and not be able to produce whatever the patent covers during the multi-year suit (or risk massive fines) or just basically giving up and licensing the patent so you can stay in business.

      This is a GREAT decision, and should help with software patents ("Sure we've been paying you for your patent on the window close button, but it's obvious so we are challenging it").

      The one catch: As a patent holder I'm not required by law to license to you. I believe I can even revoke (or refuse to renew) your license. So patent holders could use that as leverage to prevent suits by declining to let people license the patent while they were actively challenging it in court.

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    4. Re:One would hope... by Tackhead · · Score: 3, Funny
      > > Any other decision would defy all logic.
      >
      > You're not from around here, are you...

      One thing's for sure, he sure as hell ain't from the patent office or the Supreme Court.

    5. Re:One would hope... by kfg · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or "Clarence Thomas." Use the one that makes you happy and leave me out of it.

      KFG

    6. Re:One would hope... by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The one catch: As a patent holder I'm not required by law to license to you. I believe I can even revoke (or refuse to renew) your license. So patent holders could use that as leverage to prevent suits by declining to let people license the patent while they were actively challenging it in court.

      I'm not sure the judge would be impressed with that.

    7. Re:One would hope... by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful
      If you license the patent, then you are agreeing that it's valid (you licensed it, after all), and thus have no right to challenge it's validity. That logic makes sense

      No it doesn't. That's like saying that signing a ticket is an admission of guilt. It is not. It is an admission that you have a ticket (or in this case, an admission that there is a patent) and then you go to court and fight over whether or not you should have gotten a ticket - and in this case, you go to court over whether they should have gotten a patent.

      Licensing a bullshit patent is good business sense and, really, a necessary protection if you want to sell something covered by that patent whether it's a good patent or not - just as signing the ticket is a necessity if you don't want to go to jail and have your car towed. I'm pretty proud of this particular simile - it's an almost-automotive metaphor that isn't totally worthless :D

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    8. Re:One would hope... by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 4, Informative
      The one catch: As a patent holder I'm not required by law to license to you. I believe I can even revoke (or refuse to renew) your license. So patent holders could use that as leverage to prevent suits by declining to let people license the patent while they were actively challenging it in court.


      You might be. It depends on what kind of agreement you signed when you licensed me the patent. Many patent agreements either license the patent for n units (i.e., You agree to license your PatentWidget(tm) technology to me for a flat fee on 1,000,000 units of my product that incorporates your PatentWidget(tm) technology), x years (i.e., You agree to license your PatentWookie(tm) system to me for a period of 1 year), or some are even in perpetuity, but say, limited to a specific geographic area. Many do, however, have stipulations that the license becomes revoked if a lawsuit is filed against the patent holder.

      IANAL
    9. Re:One would hope... by Dr.+Donuts · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, you could refuse to license to a company beforehand if you believe they will sue to invalidate. However, if they are successful in invalidating your patent, then your patent has no value and you've gained nothing. If you revoke a license after a lawsuit is initiated and your patent is invalidated, then you've gained nothing.

      If your license is not invalidated, then the invalidation suit raises questions as to whether a company knowingly violated a patent. If you come to me demanding a license, I don't agree because I believe your patent is invalid and sue to invalidate, then the "knowingly" part of treble damages comes into suspect. The simply act of notifying a person/company they are in patent violation wouldn't be enough. Only after the failure of an invalidation suit and you *still* violate the patent could you be reasonably held to be "knowingly" violating the patent.

      I suspect that we'll see companies filing lawsuits to invalidate patents just to avoid paying the treble damages in the event they are unsuccessful in overturning a patent.

    10. Re:One would hope... by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "As soon as you're notified, you'd better license"

      So, if the patent turns out to be invalid, do you get your license fees back? Or even better, treble damages for what, without a valid patent, amounts to extortion?

    11. Re:One would hope... by Znork · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "that would create a huge liability for patent holders"

      I dont see how that's a problem. In fact, it sounds like a very good incentive for patent holders to obtain "good" patents and avoid trying to get junk patents approved.

      And heck, maybe that would get both sides interested in moving to a non-adversarial system of innovation incentives.

    12. Re:One would hope... by MoralHazard · · Score: 2, Informative

      Do you even KNOW anything about the law? There are some VERY good reasons in exising legal principles why the lower court ruled as they did. The fact that you're ignorant of the arguments doesn't make them not exist.

      Going way, way back into the history of English law (from which the American courts are descended), there are a couple of basic operating principles that are echoed throughout legal decisions that seem to be more practical than theoretical. Case in point is stare decisis, the concept behind precedence in judicial decision-making: if a case or judge has previously decided the same or a similar issue, you are obliged to apply his logic to your case in a consistent fashion.

      This principle doesn't come from an attempt to maximize "justice", at least not in the Aristotelean sense. It's a basically practical rule that imposes some consistency and durability on the legal system--that a claimant or defendant can be sure that the same rules apply to every situation (critical when most law is not statutory, "written-down" law), so the trust the courts more and don't try to settle things vigilante-style.

      Returning to the question in front of us... Another general principle finding application in our law is this idea that once you're assented to something in practice, you're admitting to its correctness in theory, too. There's lots of examples, here's a few:

      - child support and paternity: If you EVER admit paternity of a child, even falsely (or mistakenly), you will be liable in the future for child support no matter what. So if you accept a woman's assertion that you're the father of her baby and start paying, and then three or four years later you get a paternity test and find out she duped you, you're still fucked. (Some states have begun changing this through specific statutory law, recently, but not many.) Note that this usually applies even if you never explicitly admit paternity, but say if you co-habitate with the child's mother or provide financial assistance...

      - jurisdictional challenges: If you believe that a court does not have jurisdiction to hear your case, but you show up to argue the case, anyway, the court views this as proof that you really do believe the court has proper jurisdiction. Once you've responding to a brief or made an appearance, you can never worm your way back out by trying to claim the court has no authority. (Sometimes, there is a strictly jurisdictional type hearing to address that one particular question, without granting it, but those are a relatively recent innovation.)

      If your actions belie an agreement with the truth of a particular proposition of fact, the courts will generally hold you to that fact. If you relate this principle to patents, the lower court's original decision makes a lot more sense--if you thought the patent was invalid years ago, why didn't you sue THEN, instead of paying the license fees and waiting until now?

      Generally, this is practical: the courts want things settled as soon as possible, and as finally as possible, to save them effort and to save everybody money. (Strange as it sounds, the law tends to discourage additional litigation through this principle.) Had the USSC made the opposite decision and let the lower court ruling stand, companies would be forced to do all their homework and look at every possible detail BEFORE they agree to licensing, because that would be their last chance, ever, to challenge patent validity.

      Of course, there are problems with this approach, some of which may be related to the USSC decision:

      - What if the facts change, because new prior art is discovered? In patent litigation, it might take some time for prior art to come to light, and since there's no unified "prior art" collection (like the collection of patents at the USPTO) it isn't reasonable to expect a claimant to be able to discover every possible potential prior art example in a finite amount of time.
      - Patent litigation i

  2. New Legal Strategy for Big Corporations... by Xerotope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... bully the little-guy patent holder by suing even while paying license-fees. Little-guy can't get an injunction because fees are being paid, so it costs the big-corp nothing except their staff lawyers time. Little-guy then either has to pay to defend the patent out-of-pocket, or lose their patent (and any future license fees). Of course, this situation only plays out if the little-guy is a patent-troll and can't be counter-sued for patent infringement. And of course, in the end, the lawyers win.

    1. Re:New Legal Strategy for Big Corporations... by spiritraveller · · Score: 5, Funny

      And of course, in the end, the lawyers win.

      I like happy endings.

    2. Re:New Legal Strategy for Big Corporations... by parvenu74 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Little-guy can't get an injunction because fees are being paid... Unless the license contains an auto-revoke clause in the case of suing to contest the underlying patent, or some similar action.

      But you raise another interesting point: the ability of a licensee to essentially attack the patent-holder via law suit to try to get the little guy to buckle. Such a lawsuit is clearly unjust and there's got to be a law somewhere that covers such an aggressive move against a patent-holder. Extortion? Racketeering? The little guy ought to be able to immediately contest the lawsuit itself as being predatory, meant to bankrupt him, force him to sell his patent, or re-negotiate the license. If the lawsuit is found to be without merit and predatory, the company bringing the suit should be liable in a HUGE way at that point, ordered to pay HUGE compensation, and the executives who initiated the suit brought up on criminal charges. Otherwise, companies will be able to get away with anything they want as long as they have a bigger legal war chest than their competitors.
  3. It's something... by DurendalMac · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least this is one small step toward reforming the ridiculous patent system in this country. Yes, we need patents. They can be a good thing. However, when companies patent everything they can no matter how ridiculous or small, it's time to start fixing a broken system.

  4. Makes total sense by Dachannien · · Score: 5, Insightful

    For average Joes like you and me, if I tell you that you owe me money, and you fear damage to your credit report if you don't pay me but you don't actually think that you do owe me, you can write "paid under protest" underneath where I would endorse the check, and then sue me to get your money back. The court won't hold it against you that you paid the bill if you make it clear to the court that you never considered yourself to be liable for the debt.*

    The fact that we're talking about multi-bazillion dollar corporations doesn't mean this concept shouldn't still apply.

    (* As a side note, the new electronic bank records for checks makes this a lot more viable as proof, because the fact that the bank has on record that they cashed the check with "paid under protest" already written on it means that the defendant can't claim you wrote it after the fact. Also, banks have to send you an official copy of their record of the check upon request - the copy you get with your bank statement may get accepted in small claims court, but it's not what the law considers "official".)

    1. Re:Makes total sense by burnin1965 · · Score: 2, Informative

      The court won't hold it against you that you paid the bill if you make it clear to the court that you never considered yourself to be liable for the debt.


      Of more interest to companies is that they can avoid treble damages for willfully violating a patent if they acquire a license and still have the option to challenge the patent. As was learned in the Blackberry vs NTP case although NTP's patents were in the process of being invalidated Blackberry could not stop the patent troll case against them. Perhaps Blackberry could have saved some capital by licensing NTP's patents when they first demanded extortion payments and then followed up with a suit against NTP to invalidate the bogus patents and request compensation for royalties paid.
  5. Re:Good by s20451 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    yet we hardly see anyone but patent trolls and megacorps doing anything with patents, so anything which weakens them is for the best.

    That's because patents only make the news when you get sued. I take it that you are not an inventor. Much of the value of a startup technology company is contained in its patent portfolio, and that portfolio is what makes it attractive for purchase by larger companies.

    If you're just a lone inventor and you have that good an idea, you're probably better off making a prototype and marketing the idea directly, anyhow, rather than getting patents.

    There's no reason why you can't do both. In fact, if you don't do both, you're an idiot who is taking unnecessary risks on behalf of your investors.

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  6. Covenent not to sue now part of boilerplate by davidwr · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Effective immediately, all patent-licensing deals will have a covenant not to sue or challenge the validity of the patent as part of the licensing agreement, enforceable by a payment of "lost royalties" through the expected life of the patent.

    If you won't sign away your right to sue, then you don't get a license.

    If anyone figures out a way around this, the patentholders will figure out another workaround for future cases. Cat and mouse, spy vs. spy.

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    1. Re:Covenent not to sue now part of boilerplate by Dr.+Donuts · · Score: 2, Informative

      Simply because something is written in a contract or agreement, doesn't mean it's legal or enforceable.

      Some things just can't be signed away. Since the Supreme Court has already upheld that the right to sue for patent validity cannot be subsumed through licensing, putting such a clause in the licensing agreement would have no legal effect.

  7. free shot? by duranaki · · Score: 4, Insightful
    "It essentially gives your licensee a free shot at knocking out the patent and their obligation to pay royalties, and from a licensor's - from Genentech's - point of view, that's not a good thing,"


    A free shot? I can't recall a time involving lawyers where anything was free. It gives them a shot instead of the alternatives, which include getting sued for violating the patent without a license or just staying out of the marketplace because of a stupid patent while you wait for it to be overturned.
  8. Applicable to SCO? by Tmack · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I wonder if this would open the flood gates to all those that purchased the "Linux license" from SCO (for the low low introductory price of $900) to sue SCO for return of their fee once these last death throws in court are over with, if theres anything left of SCO? Basically the license was to cover royalties on the patents that Linux supposedly infringed that SCO "owned", and as these patents and other IP that SCO claims to own and claims is in Linux are being laughed out of court I would think this would make reclaiming the fee from SCO easier..

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  9. Re:Good by Omnifarious · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I suspect that this is an error, and that the real value lies in the expertise and ability of the lone inventor or small company to create the technology in question. It's really interesting how business shies away from valuing people and expertise over some sort of even very nebulous, intangible and somewhat imaginary asset. I think there are some powerful blinders in operation somewhere.

  10. I will enforce my melanin patent this summer by Seismologist · · Score: 3, Funny

    I have patented the process by which melanin allows an individual's skin to become darker in pigment color when UV light is applied. I will enforce my patent and thus require all individuals that appear to be tan, to pay the appropriate royalty fee. Tanning salons may receive group discount rates.

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    1. Re:I will enforce my melanin patent this summer by WhyDoYouWantToKnow · · Score: 2, Funny

      So this royalty fee won't apply to anyone on /.?

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    2. Re:I will enforce my melanin patent this summer by Arthur+Dent+'99 · · Score: 2, Funny

      So, in the spirit of this article, could I pay your royalties, then sue you because your process gave me skin cancer? :-)

  11. Patched by tehwebguy · · Score: 2, Funny

    Changelog for Version 2007.01.10

    + Added increased protection against patent trolls

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  12. This solves a nasty "Catch 22" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Before this decision, if you wanted to challenge a patent, you had to violate the patent. That would expose you to triple damages because you obviously knew the patent existed. Also, patent holders get almost automatic injunctions. That means the court slaps you with an order that you can't sell your product. That's how RIM ended up paying $600 million to NTP even though the patent office was about to pitch out NTP's patents as bogus.

    The patent system has problems but this decision seems to solve one of them.

  13. Re:Who dissented? by jonnythan · · Score: 3, Informative

    From another article:

    "Justice Thomas, dissenting, felt that a patent licensee in good standing must breach its license prior to challenging the validity of the underlying patent pursuant to the Declaratory Judgment Act, 28 U. S. C. 2201. 546 U. S. 1169 (2006). He held the opinion that the Court has consistently held that parties do not have standing to obtain rulings on matters that remain hypothetical or conjectural and that this was such a case."

  14. Makes sense by ajs318 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think this makes sense. It's a recognition that monies are sometimes paid under duress and under protest.

    Look at it this way: Handing over your dinner money to the playground bully doesn't necessarily mean you think he has a right to it -- just that you'd rather miss a meal than take a severe beating and probably end up missing a meal as well when he steals the money off you.

    In the same way, some people choose to pay royalties they know full well to be bogus just so as to be able to ship product and earn some money, rather than challenge the bogus patents in court straight away during which time they are likely to be barred from selling product. This ruling just recognises that paying royalties does not necessarily mean acceptance that the patent is valid.

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  15. Re:Fixed with a new clause... by Todd+Knarr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The danger that the courts may rule that the licensee can't sign away his right to challenge the patent, thus that clause is unenforceable. You can see the equivalent of that all the time: the clauses that disclaim all warranties, followed by "Some states do not permit the disclaimer of the implied warranties of merchantability and fitness for purpose. In those cases, the law trumps our disclaimer.". And from the tone of the Supreme Court on recent patent cases, I get the feeling they don't agree with the Federal Circuit on a lot of things and are getting about ready to do some wholesale striking down of Fed Circ precedents.

  16. Re:Good by kfg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    that portfolio is what makes it attractive for purchase by larger companies.

    Back in the day the goal of a small company was to grow until it was one of the larger companies, not lose itself to the highest bidder.

    KFG

  17. Re:Who dissented? by rewt66 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not a totally stupid point. The courts do not like "what if" lawsuits. If your issue is "maybe" or "what if", the courts will in general tell you to get lost - and, in my opinion, rightly so. The courts are clogged enough as it is.

    But I think the application of that principle to this particular situation is in error. If I'm having to pay royalties to use a patent that I believe is bogus, and my options are to expose myself to severe liability (by stopping payment but still using the patent), or stop making the product, or continue to pay the extortion, that's a pretty unjust situation that has been created. And the law, as another principle, doesn't like to create unjust situations by stupid application of rules. (Though I must say, for something that it tries to avoid, it seems to do it way too often anyway...)

  18. Re:Good by Chris+Burke · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I suspect that this is an error, and that the real value lies in the expertise and ability of the lone inventor or small company to create the technology in question. It's really interesting how business shies away from valuing people and expertise over some sort of even very nebulous, intangible and somewhat imaginary asset. I think there are some powerful blinders in operation somewhere.

    Actually a lot of businesses do value people with expertise over just about all else. A lot of startups -- I mean real startups that were producing actual products, not business plans based on selling advertisements to goldfish -- were bought out not because their patent/product portfolio was really all that impressive or valuable on their own, but because the engineers that designed those products were impressive. Brainpower is a powerful asset, and successfull businesses recognize it and try to aquire/cultivate it. Of course then the accountants come in with the quarterly reports and then the axe starts swinging, but so it goes.

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  19. Auto-revoke clauses may have no teeth by Dr.+Donuts · · Score: 5, Informative

    For those who are talking about auto-revoke clauses in lawsuits (of which I've seen a number post), read the article:

    During arguments in October, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. suggested there may be some way to structure a licensing agreement to diminish the threat of a lawsuit. Best predicts companies will likely try including contractual provisions prohibiting filing suit, potentially charging lower fees for those who agree to waive that legal right. But it's unclear whether such measures are legal. Courts generally hold that the right to sue should be retained - a sentiment that came out in this case.

    Simply because a clause is within a contract/agreement, doesn't make it legally valid. As the courts have established through decisions, the right to sue should be retained and it's likely that clauses stipulating the prohibition of filing suit would be deemed legally unenforceable. A contract/agreement could be structured to make it undesirable to file suit or more desirable to persuade a licensee not to, but clauses that seek to waiver that right most likely will fail.

    This decision has a more profound effect then simply the right to sue. It also raises the bar in the establishment of knowingly violating a patent. If a person/company sues to invalidate a patent, then only if the lawsuit is unsuccessful and the person/company continues to violate the patent can it be established they "knowingly" violated the patent. So this will also have an effect of making it more difficult to seek treble damages. Any person/company with the foresight and resources would file an invalidation lawsuit for that very reason, I suspect.

    I agree with the Supreme Courts interpretation that just because you license, doesn't mean "Actual Controversy" requirements for filing an invalidation suit are voided. Previous court decisions established that you had to violate a patent first in order to file suit to fulfill "Actual Controversy" requirements. The Catch-22 of this is that by the very act of violating the patent, you are doing so "knowingly" in order to pursue an invalidation suit. Which means that should the suit fail, you'll automatically be nailed for treble damages since you've already established you knowingly violated the patent in order to pursue the invalidation suit in the first place.

    The previous logic was flawed. It was like saying that if someone portends you owe them money, you would have to acknowledge you do owe them money before you could file a suit to establish you don't. The refusal to acknowledge a patent as valid should be grounds enough to fulfill the actual controversy requirements.
  20. Mild dyslexia... by posterlogo · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...may cause you to read this as "Supreme Court Patents Clear Invalidity Suits". Mmmmmm... Clear Invalidity Suits. I want one of those.