The Anatomy of Pump n' Dump Stock Spamming
giorgiofr writes "Laura Frieder and Jonathan Zittrain have analyzed pump n' dump spam activity in their paper 'Spam Works: Evidence from Stock Touts and Corresponding Market Activity'. Unbelievably, it appears that spammers are able to achieve a 5% gain on pumped stock before dumping it, along with a dramatic increase in transaction volume of the stock. From the synopsis: ' We suggest that the effectiveness of spammed stock touting calls into question prevailing models of securities regulation that rely principally on the proper labeling of information and disclosure of conflicts of interest to protect consumers, and we propose several regulatory and industry interventions. Based on a large sample of touted stocks listed on the Pink Sheets quotation system, we find that stocks experience a significantly positive return on days prior to heavy touting via spam. Volume of trading responds positively and significantly to heavy touting.'"
I bet many or maybe even most of the people who start buying the stocks being spammed, buy them in the expectancy that the spamming will make the value of that stock rise.
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Thereby they reinforce this strange mafia way of making money and worst of all they make sure that loads of spam will keep on putting even more pressure on the internet.
The only sensible conclusion I am able to draw from this is that it probably will pay of to invest in the spam-filter companies
Really, this should be the easiest to crack. Someone has to take the money. Or some company which then turns it over to some person. The SEC should be busting these left and right.
Regardless of the type of spam, there is spam because spammers make money out of it. To be a successful spammer, you need:
- A half-convincing scheme
- Half-witted people gullible enough to be conned
To get rid of spam, get rid of the half-witted people. It shouldn't be that hard to educate computer users and explain to them that nobody will ever contact them to help them better their lives, just like nobody pop out of the blue and make their lives better in real-life. It's so simple even idiots can grasp the concept, and I fail to understand why nobody ever launched an educational campaign to explain this.
Once too few people respond to spam, then spamming isn't profitable anymore and spams disappear. The only true solution to the spam problem is a basic lesson in electronic social relationship.
"A door is what a dog is perpetually on the wrong side of" - Ogden Nash
I don't see why not - if it's been sent directly to millions of people's inboxes, how much more public can it be? All you'd have to do to cover yourself is document when you received the email, so you can prove that you only bought after the email went out.
You can't be guilty of insider trading if you have no connection to the company and no source of real inside information. This spam is never based on real inside info.
deserve to lose their money. They won't forget that lesson again.
Give it a few years, it'll go the way of nigerian spams.
And at the amounts where you'd make any money over commissions/fees the stocks will be too thinly traded and you'll lose your ass by driving the price up as you buy and down as you sell. This (I'm sure) is why the spammers choose nothing stocks. There's ABSOLUTELY nothing that anyone can do in the market to make money with them. Remember, you have a finite amount of shares, and a finite demand. If you're trying to pull too many shares off the market, the price goes north.
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Spammers bought stocks days/weeks before they sent their spam. The spammer will sell you these stocks. You will help them to "leave" the market.Even if you manage to make any profits (and I seriously doubt you could...Because you will be the "top"), it will be thinner than these 5.00% of return. Their pump & dump lifecycle is extremely short. You have to be the source to enjoy any profit.
There are plenty of other ways to make better e-investment.
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Bradley Holt
The company itself is an innocent bystander.
The spammer buys in, driving the price up. They then sell against some of the early suckers, who are left holding the bag. By this time the price has probably started falling already. Then the suckers eventually wise up and start selling, against the very thin market, which can depress the price even further.
It's entirely possible for a stock to wind up a lot lower than it started out after one of these schemes hits it.
I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
Perhaps the way to get these people is through IRS. It would seem a highly likely proposition that the people running these P&D schemes would not be paying tax. They would more than likely keep detailed records with a nice transactions trail from their brokers and banks as well. Should be a slam dunk if IRS gets in on the game.
Don't tailgate - the end is near!
Everyone loves Jim Cramer because he's a celebrity, be he's the biggest stock pumper of all.
...on a lottery with no winners, it's as simple as that. How do you know that there are actual winners in a lottery? If it wasn't for regulation, you'd have a paid actor up there saying he won $10mio while they actually just pocketed the money. People think the game is to find the right stock, which is sort of true but stocks aren't equal like two lottery tickets. Spamvertized stocks are like buying last week's lottery tickets, but people don't see that they're set up to be losers. They only know that you could get rich on the stock market, and they're putting money on the stock market and so they could get rich. And if it doesn't turn out well, then it was the wrong stock to put money on. Better check the inbox for more lottery offers.
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Actually, I think the parent (now grandparent) was pretty clear in his/her point:
This is a common misconception, so I thought I'd correct the point. You are absolutely right that it is INPRACTICAL to short pinks or OTC stocks, but, INPRACTICAL is different than CANT, IMHO. I'm not sure if you're reading the same post as me.
Bradley Holt
From all the know-it-alls who think that they can 'short' one of these stocks to be on the 'other-side' of the gamble.
People please consider that the posters on Slashdot are NOT very good at trading. Such a lack of knowledge is quite frankly bothersome in a community where so many people analyze everything to the bitter end. Yet, when money is involved everyone thinks they have the secret to making it work right.
Tell me, exactly what brokerage do you use that allows you to short OTC, and .PK(pink sheet) stocks? For the rest of the real world, OTC and PK are legally impossible to short trade legit. One of the exceptions is if you short sell a stock that actually WAS listed and then became de-listed by the exchange it is on. The world of money and finance is as complicated and incomprehensible to most techies, as computers are to most non-techies.
Everyone likes to joke at the person who used the CD player for a cup holder, or cant figure something that comes so easily to you. Then when those people are gone, you make fun of their ignorance. Guess what, any comment about short selling one of these stocks makes YOU the person who gets made fun of when the backs turn. And deservingly so, if you knew how rediculous the comment of 'short-selling' spam stocks was, you would laugh your ass off too. Maybe as much as you did when you first heard the 'CD tray for a cup-holder' joke.
Having fun yet?
That paper has been out for a while. I cited it a few weeks ago.
Key points:
With those numbers, it's going to turn out that this is some kid in his parent's basement. It's not a market manipulation problem. It's the buildings full of servers that have to be installed to process all the spam that cost.
You're forgetting who this DOES hurt: the companies that are small and are trying to raise capital.
These pump and dump scams are a major reason why the uber-corporations stay in power, it is VERY VERY difficult to get money if you start a small corporation. All it takes is to be targeted by one pump-and-dump con artists, and your company is ruined.
This does ruin people's lives, and does affect our society and civilization negatively.
I don't read or respond to AC posts
That's all well and good and I mostly agree. But... I was the CEO of a public (Pink Sheets) company where I would get calls DAILY from people (and their lawyers) complaining about spam 'pump and dump' faxes and emails being sent to them. I can honestly say that I never knew anything about these spammings. Essentially what can happen is that one or more major shareholders decide to drop a few bucks to increase the value of their holdings. The company never knows but their name is tarnished. I learned the hard way that proving innocence (ie... not knowing nor endorsing) about a pump and dump scheme is almost impossible. Basically, don't assume that a spam email or fax is being sent from the company directly. While there are most definitely scam artists out there (especially on OTC and Pink Sheets!), there are also a lot of very honest businesses who are at the mercy of their less than honest shareholders.