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Apple Responds to MOAB

frdmfghtr writes "Apple has released what appears to be the first security update as a result of the "Month of Apple Bugs." While the Apple site doesn't explicitly say that the fix was a result of the MOAB, it does point to a sample Quicktime file that triggers the overflow flaw (well, sort of...it says the file is there but doesn't provide any links)."

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  1. ummm by Kyro · · Score: 5, Informative

    from the linked apple release: " A QTL file that triggers this issue has been published on the Month of Apple Bugs web site (MOAB-01-01-2007). This update addresses the issue by performing additional validation of RTSP URLs."

    is that not explicit enough??

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    1. Re:ummm by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Informative

      I expected to see an acknowledgment along the lines of "Thanks to the MOAB team for alerting Apple of this flaw in Quicktime." For all we know, Apple already knew about it and fixed it without any help from the MOAB effort. Even Microsoft acknowledges outside efforts that uncover flaws in Microsoft products.

      Apple acknowledges contributions from users who report bugs to them. Just read any of their security patches and about half the items are attributed to a bug reporter outside the company. The question is, did the MOAB really report this bug to Apple as they strongly implied? We know they did not report the bug to the OmniGroup team, since their CEO went on record saying they found out about it from someone who say the MOAB site.

      If I were Apple I wouldn't give these guys credit at all, seeing as they are behaving unethically and irresponsibly. Giving them press just encourages others to behave like this.

  2. Re:So...Is The QT Flaw the Only Notable Bug? by qwertphobia · · Score: 3, Informative

    No, it's still going strong.
    http://projects.info-pull.com/moab/
    One could argue the significance of each bug, but I would say the quantity is not lacking. I was sure I would see a few days or a week, but it looks like there has been a total of 23 when I visited the site.

    I'd have to say Steve Jobs is a core daemon :-)

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  3. Re:So...Is The QT Flaw the Only Notable Bug? by sokoban · · Score: 2, Informative

    No, this isn't the only bug, nor is it the most serious.

    There are remote code execution and escalation of privileges bugs that are still yet to be fixed, but at least it appears that these bugs are being taken seriously and will hopefully be fixed.

    There are all sorts of people trying to find bugs in Linux and Windows, but not nearly as many people are doing so for OS X. As a Mac user, I am glad someone is doing this now and finding these bugs and exposing them to the public and to Apple before there are exploits out in the wild.

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  4. Re:I posted this elsewhere too... by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1, Informative

    MOAB are still flaming Apple Inc., Apple users, and anyone else who critiques their methods, and it's gotten personal and insulting. They come out swinging their fists at the Apple community, then cry foul because someone hits back.

    This may be true and there may be better ways (using the Bug Report server for example), but if the end result is getting these problems fixed and a better system out of it, then I am happy with the effort put into it.

    Maybe we need something like this for Linux and Windows?

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  5. Re:I posted this elsewhere too... by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2, Informative
    This fix is in line with the typical timing and attention given Apple security updates - relatively quick and competent.

    Not sure I'd agree with that, actually. Apple is generally regarded as being slower than Microsoft at patching problems. According to the MOAB folks the QuickTime HREF universal XSS was patched slowly and then only for MySpace (huh?). Plugin XSS is pretty serious! It's possible they got better, but according to this study from 2006 it took them 91 days on average to fix known exploits.

    IIRC nearly a third of their "Apple Bugs" are 3rd party problems to begin with.

    Yes, of course, it's silly to call it the "Month of Apple Bugs" when they are also reporting exploits in third party software. Unfortunately, it's also understandable - the fact that many security problems in Windows are caused by third party software does not stop people blaming Microsoft for the insecurity of the Windows platform. Given that quite a few of these third party exploits are privilege escalation (eg instant root), it is Apples problem. If third party devs cannot write secure code then they'll end up in the same situation as Windows - and it seems they can't write secure code (no surprises here). Apple are already being targetted by attackers.

    MOAB are still flaming Apple Inc., Apple users, and anyone else who critiques their methods, and it's gotten personal and insulting. They come out swinging their fists at the Apple community, then cry foul because someone hits back.

    I quite agree that these "Month of X bugs" things seem to be quite irresponsible and even immature. I'm not sure what the point of them is, except to make a bad situation worse.

  6. Re:Response by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 5, Informative

    I was more troubled by the way they treated Omniweb...

    Even more troubling is the hubbub surrounding their Colloquy vulnerability, mentioned in this article. They are accused of actually using the exploit on a public IRC channel before releasing the vulnerability and publishing a log of that hack in the announcement. I don't know if it is true, but given their behavior with the rest of this project they're slipping more and more towards the blackhat end of the spectrum.

  7. Lots of comment... by shawnce · · Score: 5, Informative

    I am see several comments from folks stating that they are surprise that Apple is taking steps to patch issues ("taking it seriously", etc.). I find that a little strange comment given that Apple is actually rather good about addressing vulnerabilities that others report to them and give them credit (if they reported it to Apple). Granted Apple's general no comment policy until investigated and patched can be a little annoying if you report an issue and would like to know more but that policy doesn't mean that Apple doesn't take security reports seriously.

    Just review all of the attribution Apple has given for the many vulnerabilities they have addressed over the years. For example look at the security release announcements for 2006 (mailing list archive).

    As a side note a few MOAB issues are centered on group admin writable locations that can be used to take over the system is you have local access (possibly via a remote exploit). It may take Apple a little while to address this type of issue given the possibility of permission changes causing Apple and 3rd party software (installers most likely) to fail for customers. Luckily a few new security related feature will debut in Mac OS X 10.5 that will make this type of attack harder to pull off (us 3rd party developers should adopt them ASAP).

    A brief listing...

    CoreGraphics
    CVE-ID: CVE-2006-1444
    Available for: Mac OS X v10.4.6, Mac OS X Server v10.4.6
    Impact: Characters entered into a secure text field can be read
    by other applications in the same window session
    Description: Quartz Event Services provides applications with
    the ability to observe and alter low-level user input events.
    Normally, applications cannot intercept events when secure event
    input is enabled. However, if "Enable access for assistive
    devices" is on, Quartz Event Services can be used to intercept
    events even when secure event input is enabled. This update
    addresses the issue by filtering events when secure event input
    is enabled. This issue does not affect systems prior to Mac OS X
    v10.4. Credit to Damien Bobillot for reporting this issue

    Keychain
    CVE-ID: CVE-2006-1446
    Available for: Mac OS X v10.3.9, Mac OS X Server v10.3.9, Mac OS
    X v10.4.6, Mac OS X Server v10.4.6
    Impact: An application may be able to use Keychain items when
    the Keychain is locked
    Description: When a Keychain is locked, it is not possible for
    applications to access the Keychain items it contains without
    first requesting that the Keychain be unlocked. However, an
    application that has obtained a reference to a Keychain item
    prior to the Keychain being locked may, in certain
    circumstances, be able to continue using that Keychain item
    regardless of whether the Keychain is locked or unlocked. This
    update addresses the issue by rejecting requests to use Keychain
    items when the Keychain is locked. Credit to Tobias Hahn of HU
    Berlin for reporting this issue
    .

    GDB
    CVE-ID: CVE-2006-4146
    Available for: Mac OS X v10.4 and later
    Impact: Opening a maliciously-crafted DWARF binary with GDB may
    lead to arbitrary code execution
    Description: GDB, the GNU Debugger, is susceptible to multiple
    vulnerabilities that may lead to arbitrary code execution when
    loading maliciously-crafted DWARF binaries. This update
    addresses the issues by performing additional validation while
    handling DWARF binaries. Credit to Will Drewry and Tavis Ormandy
    of the Google Security Team for reporting this issue
    .

    etc.

  8. Re:Response by shawnce · · Score: 2, Informative
    Have you every attempted to do a disclosure with Apple? It's nearly impossible.

    Yeah we have. It is actually rather easy to do. Personally I would file a defect with Apples bug-reporter system and then send an email into the product-security email address with a reference to the bug number.

    http://www.apple.com/support/security/
    http://developer.apple.com/bugreporter/
  9. Re:Response? by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 2, Informative

    The summary is wrong. Apple specifically said that the fix is in response to a report from MOAB.

    To clarify, they say it was made public on MOAB's Web site. They did not say it was in response to that announcement, nor did they imply that MOAB had reported the problem to Apple, via the normal bug report channels.

  10. Apple DOES Credit MOAB! by toonerh · · Score: 2, Informative

    See their update notice.

  11. Re:So...Is The QT Flaw the Only Notable Bug? by tim1724 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Yes, QuickDraw is deprecated. But it's still used by quite a bit of common software. (Such as MS Office, or nearly anything from Adobe.)

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