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U.S. Cities Don't Make the Intelligence Cut

coondoggie writes "For the second year running, no U.S. city has made the list of the world's top Intelligent Communities of 2007, as selected by global think tank Intelligent Community Forum. The ICF selects the Intelligent Community list based on how advanced the communities are in deploying broadband, building a knowledge-based workforce, combining government and private-sector "digital inclusion," fostering innovation and marketing economic development."

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  1. Incorrect by RichPowers · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to the Intelligent Community Forum's website, Cleveland, Ohio made the Top 7 list in 2006. Even so, I still wouldn't want to live there :p http://www.intelligentcommunity.org/displaycommon. cfm?an=1&subarticlenbr=62

    1. Re:Incorrect by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Interesting that two Canadian cities made the cut, while every other nation only had one.

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    2. Re:Incorrect by pipingguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's because Canada is two nations, not just one.

    3. Re:Incorrect by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Actually, Estonia, also known as E-stonia, prides itself on being an extremely high-tech nation.

  2. whuh? by theonetruekeebler · · Score: 5, Funny

    Did I miss something? I was watching American Idol.

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    1. Re:whuh? by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Did I miss something? I was watching American Idol.

      What? They Pre-empted the season premiere of "Ow! My Balls!" with that crap?

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  3. Huh? by dctoastman · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As based on Broadband deployment?
    Instead of basing it on say, the intelligence of the community.

    But, it was part of the Pacific Telecommunications Council, so I'm sure they have an agenda somewhere.

  4. How's it goin' eh? by Excelcia · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Canada has two finalists. PRetty good eh?

  5. Lobbyist Alert by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The ICF met and announced this list as part of the 29th annual Pacific Telecommunications Council (PTC) conference

    This is a political ploy by Telecoms to push governments into subsidizing broadband. It is trolling, just like "You are not intelligent if you don't use vi/java/rails/xml/etc." We've been -1trolled.

  6. Buzzwordification by DirePickle · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, curses! Our synergystic engineerification of innovationist intelligent-making just can't keep up with the likes of Dundee, Scotland!

    1. Re:Buzzwordification by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      As a resident of Dundee, Scotland, I can only say something must have gone horribly wrong with their methodology.

      In other words, if your city is on the list, panic.

  7. Nothing to see here. move along. by dfenstrate · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Intelligent Community Forum is basically rating cities on how much they consume the services of the IT people who make up the forum. Think of it as marketing for the IT 'Guild.'

    It has little to do with the actual overall quality of a community in anyway except the dollar amount of the IT salaries they pay out of tax money. Though, I suppose, slashdot would be the place for this sort of thing.

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  8. Let me translate from the Market-Speak by Nova+Express · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "We want government to pay for lots of Broadband so the people proping up this institute make lots of money."

    "The Intelligent Community Forum (ICF) is a nonprofit think tank that focuses on job creation and economic development in the broadband economy."

    This is not an objective measure of how "intelligent" a community is, it's an objective measure of what broadband policies will make the global technocratic elite supporters of the institute the most money. And the "Digital Inclusiveness" blurb means "How can we get more money from taxpayers to line our pockets?"

    But I'm sure they appreciate the free advertising. In fact, I would say that was worth $25,000 of free advertizing for them, which means that now Slashdot will have to register as a paid lobbyist. Oh wait, that bill was defeated.

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    1. Re:Let me translate from the Market-Speak by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Rule of thumb: "Think Tank" is just a misleadingly fancy word for PR firm.

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  9. TV rots your brain by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... but watching youtube makes you intelligent. Yup, broadband as an intelligence measure beats all those dumb ink blot tests.

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    1. Re:TV rots your brain by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      There's a lot more educational content on YouTube than you'll ever find on most American TV channels.

      There are numerous foreign language courses on YouTube, for instance. There's a lot of foreign language content, as well, which is very valuable when trying to learn another language. In America, you'll rarely find anything other than English or Spanish being used in the vast, vast majority of TV programming.

      There are also a number of instructional videos that teach one how to play various musical instruments. Again, that's something you just won't see on American TV.

      If all you watch on YouTube is Family Guy clips and anime, no, you probably won't become any more intelligent. But if you use YouTube to access content that you'd never see on American TV, then you likely will become wiser, more talented, and better aware of the world around you.

  10. Tallinn, Estonia by Pedrito · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wasn't really surprised to see Tallinn, Estonia on the list. I went to Tallinn back in '97. Now, personally, I don't care for the friggin' cold places like that (Estonia is within swimming distance of Finland, if you happen to be a seal). Back in '97, and keep in mind, this was only 6 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, Estonia was kicking our butts in cell phone technology. What is wrong with the U.S. that this little former Soviet republic in such a short time just started beating our pants off technologically. Granted, they got a lot of help from Finland (their languages are very similar and there's some history between the two). Good for them for improving their lot in life significantly. Too bad people in the U.S. aren't very concerned about improving their own lot in life. If they were, maybe they'd elect a president who was concerned with their lot in life as well.

    1. Re:Tallinn, Estonia by Score+Whore · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's nothing, Paco! My *apartment* beats the flying fuck out of every nation on the planet: 100% broadband penetration. 100% employed in the IT field. 8:1 computer to user ratio. All this despite having a GDP several orders of magnitude smaller than any nation on the planet.

      Estonia's land area is smaller than 41 of the 50 US states. It has a lower population tha 40 of the 50 US states. Maybe it would be wise to consider the challenges in deploying a cellular service to a massive country vs. to a tiny country.

      Finally you ought to consider what it really means to improve your life.

      If you want talk "beating pants off technologically" you might want to take a look see about which countries make high performance micro processors.

    2. Re:Tallinn, Estonia by doktor-hladnjak · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The reason Estonia advanced its cellular technology so fast was because the existing Soviet era landline system was a mess and inadequate for the communication needs of the country. People had been on waiting lists for phones for years. When further investment in the infrastructure was available, cellphones were already on the scene so it made sense to focus there instead of on an outdated system.

  11. How far down? by bigdavex · · Score: 5, Funny

    That's nothing that a few nukes can't solve.

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  12. It's sad by MightyYar · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's sad to see the US fall so far behind in the category of meaningless buzzwords. I remember when we were the dynamic nexus of vocabulatory synergistics.

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  13. So the entire world is dumb by Deflatamouse! · · Score: 4, Insightful

    before broadband was invented?

  14. Public Education BD and now... by shanen · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Causally related, but the topic was introduced by a troll, so I prefer to reintroduce it more seriously... The topic is the problems with public education in the States as a contributing factor to the decline of America.

    Public education works fine in many countries--the ones that take the future seriously enough. Mostly that means funding the public education system with a better economic model than property taxes and bond-based borrowing. Educating your citizens is a great investment and those educated citizens become great assets for any civilization above hunting and gathering. Well, actually even the hunters and gatherers can benefit from knowledge of what to hunt and what not to gather, but they're too busy trying to stay alive to worry about public schools.

    My own experiences are with the American and Japanese public education systems. Just to deal with the easy topic first, the Japanese education system is quite good, and the bulk of it is public. The main distortions are in the private senior high schools and the cram schools. However, before you start crying about the relatively minor imperfections (compared to the present state of American public education), you better remember the Japanese educational system was to a great degree patterned on American models, both in Meiji times and again after the war. (And yes, I know Japan didn't have a winner this year, either, but it's the data point I have. However, that mostly disproves the OT's (Original Troll's) point blaming public education.)

    For the American system, my experience is much more complicated. At the low levels I was in extremely good public schools through high school--but in a district that was one of the richest in the country at the time. I think we were No.2 for the entire nation on a per/student basis. Just an accident that the entire large area had been zoned residential, and those residential property taxes were being collected, but it was mostly vacant lots. Over the years the houses got built, the students arrived, the per/student money dropped to an average level, and the public schools dropped too. It's not the case that money always makes a difference, but it certainly is a major influence, and many of my important school experiences would not have happened except that my schools had the money at that time. That point is reinforced by my experience at one of the richest public universities, which was an awful school. My other degree was from a smaller private university that I regard as vastly superior to the enormous state school. Money isn't enough to counteract a staunchly conservative educational philosophy dedicated to forcing the students into the smallest possible mental boxes.

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  15. Dumbest cities? by kjart · · Score: 5, Funny

    Where's the list of the world's dumbest cities? I'd like to move to one of them and use my moderate intelligence to take over.

  16. Bashing Ottawa and Socialism by BigBlockMopar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    .. do I smell socialist bias?

    Yes, because it's currently using your upper lip for toilet paper.

    The moment you hear terms like "digital inclusion" - and Ottawa is listed as a "great city" by any measure (and Ottawa is my hometown and current residence, but Ottawa is a fetid shithole that most people escape from when they turn 18) - then you know the whole thing is a bullshit waste of money.

    In all fairness, though, Waterloo deserves any kudos it gets, even from a source as questionable as this one. Waterloo is a great city.

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  17. A new definition of intelligence by SuperKendall · · Score: 4, Funny

    Which community can load and update MySpace pages the fastest.

    Pass!

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  18. Estonia == Nokia by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Estonia was more or less rebuilt from scratch by Nokia, Talinn is probably the most technically advanced city in Europe.

  19. Here's an idea by Moraelin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Here's a novel idea: the same content, and sometimes even better is available at your local library. Yet I don't see the number and quality of libraries mentioned in their measure of intelligence. People have been using their brains before YouTube too, you know.

    Language? I learned English from tapes and books, and then from a teacher. I got taught French by my grandma using Pif comics. You don't need a video to learn a new language, you just need to hear and read it. Even if (for whatever psychiatric reason) you're absolutely _only_ able to do it over the Internet, you don't absolutely need broadband for that: to learn to read you only need a freakin' ASCII file, and to hear it you need an MP3. Trust me, you can squeeze those even through an analog modem if you really want to, especially since you don't need to stream them in real time: you can download them in advance just as well.

    Learn to play an instrument? How about getting one of the about a million books on the topic? Again, chances are your local library carries several. I know a ton of people who've learned to play the guitar without broadband.

    Etc.

    Plus, as the unused libraries prove, there's a heck of a difference between something being available and people actually using it. Just because a community has broadband, it doesn't mean automatically everyone starts using it to learn stuff. Except if by "learn" you mean, "my word, I didn't know a double anal penetration was even possible." ;) Lots of, ahem, "educational" videos on _that_ kinda topic.

    Now I'm not against broadband or anything, but measuring a community's intelligence by the available megabits per second is at best PR trolling (seeing as the "independent think tank" is actually just a lobby group to push for more subsidized broadband), and at worst genuine techo-utopian stupidity.

    Even if we're to spend tax money to improve intelligence (a good idea, by all means), I'm still waiting for any study to show that broadband is the best return on investment. How about investing half that amount in improving the schools, for example? A good teacher can help more than just upgrading someone's internet connection. How about, political correctness and feel-good education be damned, someone actually make a class out of the nerdiest kids who actually want to learn? And I mean really learn stuff, not get some watered-down bullshit and "brain gym" pseudo-education.

    Are kids that much more likely to learn foreign languages well on the Internet than from a teacher, for example? Really? Because so far I've seen people even forgetting whatever proper English they knew after a couple of years on MMOs. The English I could learn on, say, City of Heroes, is of the caliber of, "soz m8, g2g, got skewl 2moz". (Translation for those who aren't fluent in l33t: "sorry mate, got to go, got school tomorrow." Yeah, I know, it made me go cross-eyed trying to decode it too.) Genuine quote off one of the UK servers. No kidding. I swear to God, someone actually typed that abhomination.

    There's a whole generation by now who's learned to write badly not even in the name of typing speed, but out of some idiotic notion that writing "skewl" instead of "school" is somehow cool, hip, elite, or whatever. And it's contagious. People who _are_ capable of writing proper English and typing fast enough, end up getting that idea too. I was shocked to discover that a middle-aged mid-level manager I know had started to type like that on a MMO. That's broadband intelligence for you.

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