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Diebold Security Foiled Again

XenoPhage writes "Yet again, Diebold has shown their security prowess. This time they posted, on their website, a picture of the actual key used to open all of their Diebold voting machines. Ross Kinard of Sploitcast crafted three keys based on this photo. Amazingly enough, two of the three keys successfully opened one of the voting machines. But fear not, Diebold has removed the offending picture, replacing it with a picture of their digital card key. Take that, hackers!"

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  1. Still in business by j00r0m4nc3r · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How can these guys still be in business? It seems like every couple weeks for the past 3 or 4 years I have been hearing about them screwing shit up, over and over and over and over again. Any other company would have been history long ago. What's with Diebold? Why don't they die?

    1. Re:Still in business by aquabat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Two words: Government Contracts.

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    2. Re:Still in business by gstoddart · · Score: 5, Interesting
      How can these guys still be in business? It seems like every couple weeks for the past 3 or 4 years I have been hearing about them screwing shit up, over and over and over and over again. Any other company would have been history long ago. What's with Diebold? Why don't they die?

      That's because they aren't being viewed with a critical eye by the people buying voting machines.

      The people who are making those decisions continue to want to have the voting machines in the face of all of the evidence showing how unsecure/not-tamper-proof these things really are.

      Apparently, the government doesn't seem too bothered by a vendor who is selling a product which is completely insecure.

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    3. Re:Still in business by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Informative
      What's with Diebold? Why don't they die?

      I believe the following will explain: "The company came under fire last year for a letter that Diebold CEO Walden O'Dell wrote as a fundraising pitch to Republicans. In the letter, O'Dell said he was "committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president." Diebold is based in North Canton, Ohio." (http://money.cnn.com/2004/08/30/technology/electi on_diebold/index.htm)

      Frankly no one in power really seems to want a fair election. If they did, they'd be fighting these e-voting machines all the way - as there is absolutely no need for them.

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    4. Re:Still in business by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      "DieBold, Die" is German for "The, Bold, The" - Bob

    5. Re:Still in business by pilgrim23 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In the early 20th century, most cities had Trolly Lines. Most were electric. there was no need for road crowding, smoke billowing Buses. But Detroit realized building buses was a gold mine as long as City planning departments, the Mayor's urban task force and other such public servants could be persuaded to rip up the trolly lines. Thus our public leaders made decisions for the good of us all. The more it changes, the more it stays the same....

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    6. Re:Still in business by jc42 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The people who are making those decisions continue to want to have the voting machines due to all of the evidence showing how unsecure/not-tamper-proof these things really are.

      There; fixed it for you.

      If you think the politicos making the purchase decisions are ignorant of the documented problems, you're incredibly naive.

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    7. Re:Still in business by mspohr · · Score: 3, Informative
      Actually, GM, Firestone, and Standard Oil went around to various cities and bought up the trolley lines, ripped out the tracks and replaced them with GM buses.

      I believe they called it a "triumph of the free market". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_street car_conspiracy

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  2. DieBold Security..... by Prysorra · · Score: 5, Funny

    To Boldy die where no security has died before!

  3. Re:the only thing.. by jfengel · · Score: 4, Funny

    Apparently they're not very good at that, either.

  4. National Election Commision by ghoul · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The way to get rid of election controversies is to have a national election commission like in India. India has a lot more voters than the US and a much lower level of education but it manages to pull off general elections a lot more cleanly and fairly just because the standards are same for all elections and all precincts. The decentralized form of elections might have made sense for the age of horse coaches but in the age of internet it is not too tough to have thge same standards everywhere in the US

    Also why not have a paper trail .With a paper backup all fraud can be caught given enough time for recounts (again if elections are not controlled by local partisan officials they cant arbitrarily decide not to have recounts).

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    1. Re:National Election Commision by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also why not have a paper trail .With a paper backup all fraud can be caught given enough time for recounts (again if elections are not controlled by local partisan officials they cant arbitrarily decide not to have recounts).

      In many ways Diebold et al. are all showing symptoms of not realising that they are trying to add technology to the wrong part of the process. In many ways the punch card system or optical card reader systems are the better systems, since the paper trail exists before the vote is taken into account: WYSIWYG. The proposed solutions provide a paper trail as a result of the process, if at all. The problem with this is that the paper trail may not be a result of what you inputted.

      Remember just because technology can be used for a process, it does not necessarily mean that technology is needed for the process. Technology is there to make a complex task simple, not the other way round.

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  5. Google by Daemonstar · · Score: 4, Informative
    Diebold has removed the offending picture
    However, it remains (scaled down) in Google's image cache. :) Might not be of much use, but it is there.
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  6. Security through... by griffjon · · Score: 4, Funny

    Hey, at least we know they're not relying on security through obscurity!

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  7. This is a security company? by Schraegstrichpunkt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Do they even have any security-minded people working at this company? Publishing a picture of a real key is an understandable mistake, but why does the same key open every single voting machine?

    1. Re:This is a security company? by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 4, Funny

      When you've only got seconds to doctor the votes, you can't be fumbling around with a big keychain.

      Jeez. I'd have thought that was obvious... ;)

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  8. It's a pin-based lock? by RyanFenton · · Score: 5, Informative

    As long as it's a normal lock, like 90+% of the locks out there (likely including your own front door), then Lock bumping is going to allow just about any person, regardless of skill, to defeat the lock using extremely simple tools, in a matter of seconds, likely with no signs of intrusion at all.

    Ryan Fenton

  9. Undaunted by imaginaryelf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Our hero copied the smartcard from their photo on the website and keyed in the password 12345, the master password that unlocks all diebold machines.

  10. What concerns me even more by Iphtashu+Fitz · · Score: 4, Informative

    ... is the fact that Diebold also manufacturs ATMs. Makes me wonder if my bank account is safe...

  11. Winner by liak12345 · · Score: 5, Funny
    This time they posted, on their website, a picture of the actual key used to open all of their Diebold voting machines.
    Diebold just won the golden "Are You Fucking Kidding Me?" Award of 2007.
    1. Re:Winner by imsabbel · · Score: 4, Funny

      Dont they every year?

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    2. Re:Winner by miro+f · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sony won it for 2006

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    3. Re:Winner by SeaFox · · Score: 3, Funny

      We thought they would, but the votes came out strangely skewed for Sony in several key states.

  12. Re:the only thing.. by truthsearch · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Funny how you only seem to be responding to the average media coverage and not the facts. Was no one interested or was the media (even non-mainstream) not interested? Plenty of investigations occurred. You apparently just didn't hear about them.

  13. Re:the only thing.. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It's because the exit polling was a much closer match to the actual results, rather than having substantial irregularities or, as in the case of the 2004 election, actual instances of election fraud.

    Having both sides being extremely skeptical of the computer returned election counts is the only thing keeping anyone honest.

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  14. Fear not, indeed by ReverendLoki · · Score: 4, Funny

    But fear not, Diebold has removed the offending picture [CC], replacing it with a picture of their digital card key.

    Using this picture as a base, I have crafted three digital card keys...

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  15. Re:Isn't this... by Physics+Dude · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Isn't this the same key that will open mini-bars?



    Yes. From the article:

    " ... and beyond that, it could be opened with the same keys typically used with hotel minibars and jukeboxes."


  16. Florida House 13 by bloodstar · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Why are people ignoring what is going on in Florida House District 13?

    The Rebublicans are claiming a 369 vote victory. However the EVMs in Sarasota county, reported an undervote of 18,000. or 1 in 6 of the total votes, which is much higher than the undervote in both the other counties and on average. Sarasota County also happened to be where the Democrat challenger won the vote by 6 percentage points (of the votes cast in that county).

    There are some obviously severe issues with Electronic Voting, Particularly when there is no paper trail (as in the case for this district). Sure, there are ways to change the vote on a paper verification ballot, however large scale fraud becomes problematic to implement.

    Links Below:
    http://www.heraldtribune.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section ?CATEGORY=NEWS0521&template=ovr2
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida's_13th_congre ssional_district
    http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/article.ph p?id=6423
    http://www.cqpolitics.com/2006/12/the_cqpolitics_i nterview_chris_1.html

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  17. Re:Its from the please-think-then-vote dept. by PeeAitchPee · · Score: 5, Informative

    Perhaps you can explain why Maryland's previous Republican governor Robert Ehrlich fought against the Diebold machines tooth and nail, even asking for millions of dollars instead to support a traditional election process, only to have them rammed down his throat by the (Democratic) MD legislature and state board of elections? Our state elections administrator, Democrat Linda H. Lamone is still fighting their removal and even against adding a paper trail! Hell, she doesn't even want printers because she says adding printers to the existing equipment "would disrupt the voting system."

    If you think the Republicans are the only ones who want to use Diebold machines to manipulate votes, you're an idiot.

  18. You're barking up the wrong tree by inviolet · · Score: 3, Interesting
    This time they posted, on their website, a picture of the actual key used to open all of their Diebold voting machines.

    Voting machines should not be relying on physical security in the first place, because it is not practical to physically protect them 24/365. Their trustworthiness should be the result of double-handshake cryptographic authentications between the touchscreens, consoles, memory cards, and the central tabulator. Being able to open the cabinet should not be a vulnerability, because poll workers are invariably going to need to do so.

    So, if Diebold machines implement proper authentication, then the cabinet key is not an interesting exposure. But if they don't (and we already know that they don't), then the cabinet key doesn't make them significantly more vulnerable than they already are.

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  19. Google link by SpaceLifeForm · · Score: 3, Informative
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  20. Better yet... by eclectro · · Score: 5, Funny

    A picture is worth a thousand votes.

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  21. I Think It's Great! by Greyfox · · Score: 3, Funny

    Based on Diebold's actions in this area I think they must be an extreme case of an equal opportunity employer! Most employers do not disciminate on the basis of Race, Creed and Color. Diebold has obviously taken this to the next level in that they don't disciminate on the basis of Ability, either. We shouldn't be slamming them! We should be applauding them for taking bigotry down another notch! If it weren't for Diebold all those guys would be out on the street or having to work in the exfoliating scrubber factory or something! Hooray, Diebold!

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