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An Essay On Subscription Television

dpu writes "Who would pay $1.99 to download a television episode that only costs about $0.0014 to see on cable? This is a short essay on the current and past state of subscription television, and a hope for the future. It skips a lot of points that the thinkers among us might care about, but it does the math and drives a nail into Big Content's pinky toe."

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  1. when did we start paying for advertising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I remember a time when having 'cable' meant that we didn't have to watch commercials. It seems difficult to avoid them these days.

    1. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by Workaphobia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It's funny how on the one hand we hate targeted advertising because it's an invasion of privacy and you can't trust the security of the data that a company keeps about you; and on the other hand, we hate untargeted advertising just as much for spamming us with irrelevant and annoying messages. I wonder if it'd ever be possible to register our data and preferences with some sort of trustworthy neutral party, and have advertising routed through them so that the business models that depend on it can still survive while we're not bored to pieces or abused by marketting companies.

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    2. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How about- just not get *any* advertising.

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    3. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by AuMatar · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Thats fine. I'm more than happy to pay for content. I'm not happy to have my time wasted with advertising. Which is why I use commercial skipping, ad blockers, and do not subscribe to any newspaper or magazine that has ads. In addition, if I see an ad for your product, I refuse to buy it. Advertisers are the scum of the earth- they steal your time which could be better spent watching your TV show, reading your magazine/webpage, listening to your music/radio show, etc. The whole profession ought to be outlawed.

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    4. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by Konster · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We don't pay for content. The advertisers do.

      How do you propose to pay for content when you block out advertiser's ads? I am perfectly happy with Colgate (for example) dropping the cash needed to float and air a program that I enjoy, even if that means that 8 minutes out of every half hour I have to look at dumb ads. Most of the time these ads are ignored, sometimes they make me aware of the product so that I buy it. Advertisers aren't the scum of the Earth. Look to corporate interests to fill that role; adfolk are just trying to scrape together a buck like you and I.

      Ads aren't evil, and placed well are very helpful.

    5. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by Znork · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "when did we start paying for advertising?"

      Ironically, you've always paid for advertising. So now you're both paying for the advertising (if you buy the product), and then you get to pay to watch the advertising (on TV).

      So basically you're paying to watch something you dont want to watch, which you yourself paid to get produced, just so you can watch something else you didnt pay to get produced (well, except you did pay to get it produced when you paid for the advertising by buying the advertised product...).

      Somehow I suspect that this may not be the most optimal method of funding the things you do want to watch... (which might be a tangent to the articles point...)

    6. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by anagama · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ever hear of movies? They're kinda cool. You pay $7.50 or so, and get to watch a story uninterrupted by commercials. Quite often, movies cost double digit millions to make, and some even triple digit millions. I would guess it would be possible to profitably sell copies of TV episodes for $2 each because they cost a mere fraction of the cost of movies. Anyway, you should check them out -- you'd then see there was a model other than advertising which is apparently profitable.

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    7. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

      With all the advertisement on basic cable, why should we have to pay anything for it? It's the reason I don't have cable. That, plus the fact I don't watch much TV. If I want to see an old episode of Deadwood or a new episode of The Wire, I fire up bittorrent. I really don't care if the big media companies crash and burn.

      That being said, if it didn't have any DRM, I'd definitely be willing to pay a few bucks for an episode of Deadwood or The Wire if it meant convenience, high quality and fast service. But as soon as I see that License Agreement or get a whiff of DRM, I'm back to bittorrent.

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    8. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by The+PS3+Will+Fail · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "We don't pay for content. The advertisers do."
      My cable bill begs to differ.
    9. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by proxy318 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know about the theaters you go to, but the ones I do sure as hell show advertisments. Before the move starts, there's a half hour straight of still ads with sound on the screen. Then once the movie "starts", you're treated to ten minutes of video ads, followed by seven or eight movie trailers (ads for new movies). If you're paying to see the movie, and you're potentially paying for the obscenely priced snacks (where the theater makes its money), then you sure as hell shouldn't have to watch any ads. The trailers at least can be interesting, but you shouldn't have to watch commercials for Coke or the MPAA's anti-piracy propaganda.

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    10. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by FrankieBaby1986 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why does basic cable have to have 40 channels? I don't watch more than half the stuff. If I could choose say 5 commercial-free, custom-made channels (with the new "on demand" streaming tech), I would gladly pay 50-60 a month for it. Allow me to choose show types by genre, subject, actors, title, etc. Make it without commercials, or with only commercials between shows (like TV used to be) and I'm sold.

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    11. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by PygmySurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's not so bad. Here in Canada we have this steaming pile of shit called the CBC that we pay for, yet they still show just as many ads as any other network.

    12. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Wow! I didn't know it was that bad in theaters! Good thing I am always 10 minutes late into the theater when seeing a movie.

    13. Re:when did we start paying for advertising? by speculatrix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      every buy a DVD these days and try and skip the trailers and adverts and crap?

      at least the movie itself is continuous and lacks adverts. oh wait, what about product placement? go look up how much it costs to have one of your products made highly visible in the latest Bond movie.

      and don't get me started over the merchandising. my son is into Pixar's Cars; he has the dvd, t-shirt, pyjamas, models and even napkin/serviettes! At least we held off buying most of it until it was no longer premium priced.

  2. Well, when you put it that way... by vought · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Who would pay $1.99 to download a television episode that only costs about $0.0014 to see on cable?

    Why pay $14.99 for a novel when you can walk out of the library with it for free?

    Content creators need to be assured of recompense for their work. Until someone comes up with a better way of assuring payment for digitally-reproduced work, the system we have is...all we have.

    1. Re:Well, when you put it that way... by paeanblack · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Who would pay $1.99 to download a television episode that only costs about $0.0014 to see on cable?

      If someone were to watch TV for 18 hrs/day, 7 days/week, that's ~540 hours/month. Skipping commercials, that's about 800 hrs/month of programming, or 1600 episodes. At $0.0014 per episode, this guy must be paying only $1.12 per month for cable. He would be nuts to pay $1.99 for a single show.

      Meanwhile, in the real world, someone who is paying $60/month for cable and watching TV for 40hrs/month, might find $1.99 for a show quite reasonable.

    2. Re:Well, when you put it that way... by Stu22 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Thats $1.12 per picture. 20 TVs all running picture in picture can easily get the price up to $44.80.

  3. Three reasons by repvik · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I haven't RTFA, but I could give three reasons.

    1. You're paying not to see commercials
    2. You're paying for the convenience of seeing whenever you want
    3. You're paying for the infrastructure needed

    The prices are high as they are with any "new tech". As I see it, this is still an "early adopter" price.

    I also question the maths involved here. Is he watching cable 24/7 to get those prices?

    1. Re:Three reasons by shmlco · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No, he's counting on the fact that "thousands" of programs a month are potentially "available". Of course, if you watched TV 24/7 you could only watch 720 hours worth, assuming, of course, you never slept, went to the bathroom, etc..

      Apparently he can't do the math either.

      Fundamentally, it's yet another "I want it my way at my price" rant, and since the "content providers" don't see it his way, becomes a rationalization for piracy.

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    2. Re:Three reasons by drsquare · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well let's assume you have a four-person household, and each person watches an average of 30 hours a week of TV. That's 6240 hours a year. If your cable bill is $720 a year, then that's about 11c per hour, or 6c for a half-hour show. It's effectively a 1700% markup.

      Skipping commercials or viewing whenever you want can be done with a Tivo.

      The main problem with pay per view is that you have to be dead sure you want to watch something before you watch it. You can't channel surf, you can't browse, you can't tune into the middle of a show to see if it's any good. You're pretty much restricted to watching shows you really like.

    3. Re:Three reasons by Osty · · Score: 5, Interesting

      So, why not make the pilot or the first episode of the season free to hook people on shows.

      Why stop there? Why not provide the latest episode online for free in case you missed it or prioritized something else (or two something elses if you have a dual-tuner PVR, or three something elses if you recorded two shows and watched a third already-recorded show)? That's what NBC does with Heroes. But why not go even further? NBC provides all episodes of the current season of Friday Night Lights online for free. CBS has done the same thing with Jericho. There are probably other such shows out there provided online for free by the parent company that I just haven't stumbled across (I watch and enjoy Heroes and Jericho, and though I haven't watched it yet I ran across Friday Night Lights by accident).

      Yes, these videos are streaming-online-only. Yes, it sucks to have to watch them in a browser rather than on your big screen TV. However this does bring up an interesting question -- if time-shifting is legal, as the courts have held up, and if time-shifting could imply a necessary format-shifting (from broadcast format to tape or disk, for example), might not this new behavior by CBS and NBC actually allow you to time-shift and format-shift not by watching the videos online but by downloading them in a more big screen-friendly format (say, DivX, playable on any HTPC) from a bittorrent tracker somewhere? Seems like a gray area to me. Obviously it would only apply to shows where the full episodes are available for free from the parent company, so shows like Battlestar Galactica or 24 are out. But for the shows I mentioned and others like them, it's definitely an interesting question, unfortunately probably only answerable by a court somewhere.

      It does make you wonder how CBS can justify selling Jericho on Xbox Live Video Marketplace for $2/episode when they provide the exact same content online free of charge. Just food for thought ...

    4. Re:Three reasons by Znork · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "Of course, if you watched TV 24/7 you could only watch 720 hours worth, assuming, of course, you never slept, went to the bathroom, etc.."

      I have yet to see my MythTV infrastructure sleep, go to the bathroom, etc. And, in fact, it has no trouble 'watching' half a dozen channels at the same time. Or more, should I want it to.

      Get into the digital age. There is no longer any real difference between broadcast, streamed or stored material. It's all just various incarnations of transmission bandwidth, multiplexing, caching and storage.

      Cable can be viewed as simply a linearly transmitted archive.

      So the original article is entirely reasonable in counting all available programming; what he's getting is access to that number of terabytes of archive data. Wether he views any particular amount of it or not, he's perfectly able to store, and later view, it all.

    5. Re:Three reasons by DrSkwid · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Learn some economics.

      Prices are set such that people are prepared to pay, not that "cost of business + 30%".

      It's called the elasticity of demand.

      Keep racking up your prices and you'll lose customers.
      Keep dropping your prices and you'll lose money.

      There's a sweet spot between the two that maximises your price.

      These people have decided that $1.99 is their sweet spot.

      A competitor might decided to try $1.75 and consequently move the market.

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    6. Re:Three reasons by zbaron · · Score: 2, Informative

      NBC provides all episodes of the current season of Friday Night Lights online for free. CBS has done the same thing with Jericho. There are probably other such shows out there provided online for free by the parent company that I just haven't stumbled across (I watch and enjoy Heroes and Jericho, and though I haven't watched it yet I ran across Friday Night Lights by accident). Ironic that I cannot view the episodes because I am outside of the US, but the ads play fine.
    7. Re:Three reasons by Carrot007 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      > I have yet to see my MythTV infrastructure sleep, go to the bathroom, etc.

      You still have to watch the content you have recorded, and you still have a limited ammount of time to do that.

      Sorry to break it to you but you are never going to watch tv 24/7 even with added help, it just aint possible.

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    8. Re:Three reasons by derF024 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Assuming that on average a new episode is available for 20 of those shows in a typical week, that is $40 per week. My satellite bill is about $40/month for two tuners. $2/show is just way too much.

      The math changes again when you take into account the following:

      1) A full season of a TV show is $35 on iTunes, not $2/episode.
      2) With satellite, you're paying for the 6 months of the year when the networks are only playing re-runs.

      Assume your family watches 20 different shows over the course of the year.
      iTunes: 20*35 = $700/year
      Satellite: 40*12 = $480/year

      iTunes is still more expensive, but not "way more expensive." Plus, you don't have to skip around commercials or leave a computer on 24/7.

    9. Re:Three reasons by shmlco · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "$2/show is just way too much."

      Apple's sold 500 million of them at that price, so apparently a few people don't share your viewpoint.

      And as long as you doing the math with myth you probably should deduct the price of a dedicated PC with tuner cards. With Tivo you should factor in the $15/month service and initial purchase. Heck, even with Comcast's HD DVR box you're adding $9.95 a month.

      There's also the fact that a lot of older content on iTMS, that's not currently on TV and available to be recorded. Example, about a month ago I bought the "shimmer" episode of SNL, along with the pilot episode of Land of the Giants. No particluar reason, just nostalgia. If those hadn't been available at $2 each I'd never have gotten them, since I wans't going to pay $40-50 for the set of DVD's. I was interested, but just not THAT interested.

      Although, looking at the top seller's on iTMS, it seems that most are popular programming, like Galactica or The Office, which leads me to believe that they don't have myth or a DVR, and probable that many are simply picking up "missed" shows.

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  4. Bogus calculations by aralin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If average person watches TV for 4 hours a day, that is 120 hours a month. With $60 a month to Comcast that means it 50c per hour of TV, with ads. If you consider that ads run anywhere from 15 to 30 minutes out of hour, lets say at average 20 minutes, you get about 80 minutes of TV for a dollar, which is subsidized by ads. I don't know how much Comcast pays to the content providers and how much ads will pay. But you are willing to pay at average 50c per TV show episode, while watching ads. So you are paying 4 times as much for no ads. Now for the author of the article and for me, if you watch about 4 shows at average, that is 20 episodes a month at the $60 for Comcast this makes $3 per episode. I think that looking at it this way, iTunes pricing is a steal. Not counting the fact that there are off-season periods when you still pay subscription to Comcast, but don't pay anything on iTunes.

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    1. Re:Bogus calculations by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There is another huge error in TFA:

      36000 episodes per month at a mere $0.0014 each! If they take my suggestion, I'll be paying nearly 100 times more than that! How can they possibly go wrong! The maths don't lie!

      The author assumes all TV programming is of equal value. People generally assign vastly different values to different shows. An individual could easily consider his favorite show to be worth more than $1.99/episode while still assigning a very low value to the same amount of programming selected randomly.

  5. Well, let's see by Dachannien · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I could pay $2 per episode for content that was guaranteed to be ad-free, DRM-free (or free enough that it doesn't hinder my fair use efforts), persistent (meaning it doesn't get deleted out from under me), and included added-value content like commentaries and behind-the-scenes features, I would.

    Oh wait, it's called buying it on DVD.

    And until these newfangled methods of obtaining TV can provide what those shiny coasters can provide, I'll stick with buying the shows I want to watch repeatedly on DVD, and PVRing the ones I only want to see once.

    1. Re:Well, let's see by Duds · · Score: 3, Insightful

      With the notable exception of the BBC's hillarious expensive $10 per episode Dr Who DVDs, very rarely can you get the DVD the morning after the show airs if you missed it. On download, you can.

    2. Re:Well, let's see by repvik · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I could pay $2 per episode for content that was guaranteed to be ad-free, DRM-free (or free enough that it doesn't hinder my fair use efforts), persistent (meaning it doesn't get deleted out from under me), and included added-value content like commentaries and behind-the-scenes features, I would.

      Oh wait, it's called buying it on DVD.
      Yeah, if only DVD's didn't come with annoying ads, trailers and "do-not-pirate-shit infomercials" that I can't skip, that'd make what you say true.
    3. Re:Well, let's see by Idaho · · Score: 2, Informative

      If I could pay $2 per episode for content that was guaranteed to be ad-free, DRM-free (or free enough that it doesn't hinder my fair use efforts), persistent (meaning it doesn't get deleted out from under me), and included added-value content like commentaries and behind-the-scenes features, I would.

      Oh wait, it's called buying it on DVD.
      Wait, so DVD's are DRM-free now? I must have missed that news.

      Last time I checked, it was still impossible to (legally) play DVD's under Linux (without cracking the DRM, that is), never mind playing DVD's from different regions, like, in my case, the US...
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    4. Re:Well, let's see by PancakeMan · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, if only DVD's didn't come with annoying ads, trailers and "do-not-pirate-shit infomercials" that I can't skip, that'd make what you say true.
      That's the "value-added content"!
    5. Re:Well, let's see by Duds · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Believe it or not, there are actually people in the world that care about legality.

  6. Not that difficult by NMerriam · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The same reason people are willing to pay 99 cents for a music file they could download free from Kazaa, or willing to pay $3.99 for a gallon of milk at the gas station they could buy for $2.50 at the grocery store just a few blocks away.

    It's shocking news to both content providers and pirates, but most people have money in their pocket and they don't mind spending it on things that they like when it is made convenient to do so. They are particularly happy to spend more when it saves them time and gives them a guarantee of quality, both of which are major motivators of buying songs/TV shows rather than simply getting a radio or cable hookup.

    Keep in mind that if you want to watch particular shows and don't have an infinitely flexible schedule, you'll need to include the price of a TiVo or something similar to make sure you're recording all those "cheap" shows. And you'll have to wait for a rerun or a DVD to be released if you missed an episode.

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  7. Math? by guffe · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The current revenue of a company like Comcast comes mainly from the money paid by subscribers, that is true. However, only a fraction of that money goes to the TV networks, most of it goes to pay for infrastructure and such. The reason that the TV networks get none of the money is, quite simply, because they get their finance from commercials. Another model for delivery, like the one suggested in the article, would give no reasons for networks to give the low/nonexistent prices that they currently do to Comcast. Although I do believe that the subscription television probably is something that we might see in the future, I hardly think the article is slashdot-worthy. Slow news-day anyone?

  8. missing options by cl191 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "Who would pay $1.99 to download a television episode that only costs about $0.0014 to see on cable?" Who would pay $0.0014 to see it on cable while you can download it on your favorite torrent site for free?

    1. Re:missing options by Pingla · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Because some people are actually willing to support the producers of shows they like so that such shows can continue to be produced. Also, there are many people who would want to stay on the right side of the law unless it is too costly (monetary and resource). The amount of money we are talking about per show is very small to most people.
      Personally I would gladly pay $2 per show directly to the producer in order to be able to watch it when it is 'aired' in good quality.

  9. Me! by babbling · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm happy to pay a dollar or two if I can download an episode of 24 straight after it airs. The only reason I don't do this at the moment is because Apple (Apple fanboys: note that Apple has refused to sell songs without DRM when requested by the artist - Apple loves DRM) and Fox have decided that they will only sell me encrypted media.

    I think there's a huge market for "put your CC details into this website and we'll give you an unencrypted file download link". The iTunes Store was around by the time AllofMP3 started getting popular, but enough people use AllofMP3 for it to bother the RIAA significantly. Why don't these people just use iTunes? Because AllofMP3 give their customers exactly what they want.

  10. We Bitch But Prefer Commercials by logicnazi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course a big part of the reason that cable is so cheap per show is that they show advertising. To answer all those people who are bitching about having to pay for cable when it has commercials I want to point out that you pay a relatively small amount for quality (and many not so quality) cable shows because of these commercials. Sure you can argue that the locally inserted commercials by the cable company are a needless waste (but remember cable has far fewer customers than phone so they must split up the cost of their network over fewer people) but if you want big budget shows with high production values you either need to charge the way HBO does (10-15 bucks per channel per month) or fund them with commercials.

    I suspect others will point out that the amount the advertiser is paying per viewer is much smaller than the cost of say an iTunes download hence it should be economical to have relatively cheap commercial free download, e.g., each downloader just needs to cover the total amount an advertiser would have paid to get commercials to you. From my quick google research it seems likely that the cost per impression in the male 18-34 age group (also the download group) it is about .2c. Given a 30minute program has 6 minutes of commercials that means about $1.20 of commercials (I suspect this might be a hit high but still roughly on target). Throw in the costs of the lost commercials from reruns (how frequently have you seen the same program a second time?) and the $1.99 price begins to seem relatively reasonable. Remember the viewers that are being lost to download aren't the people who are leaving their TV on while they do something else, they are the valuable viewers who are watching closely.

    If you are willing to watch commercials in your download then it's a different story but if you aren't you have to ay to replace the money the commercials would have brought in.

    Also these sort of pay per show model is only ever going to be an alternative to the normal model never a replacement. Sure we will pay for commercial free versions of our favorite shows we follow but most TV watching is done casually (I wonder if there is anything on) and no matter how much you bitch about commercials I doubt you would pay to watch a show just because you had 30minutes to kill but you will watch a show with commercials for that reason. We vote with our actions and those say we want a flat rate model that lets us watch shows for no extra cost when we feel like it.

    It's just the same way that people bitch about ads at the start of movies but no matter how much people bitch they never go spend an extra $2 to go to the theater with less ads.

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  11. Changing the business model of television by Carniphage · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Whether you agree that $1.99 or $2.99 per show is a good deal, directly paying for shows allows something amazing to happen. * It allows audiences to pass money DIRECTLY to television creators. * And that model is more honest and fairer than the advertising model which currently dominates broadcasting. It is a way better model, and better TV would be the outcome. It has the power to transform the type of shows being made because it makes television-makers directly accountable to their audience. Program makers would not have to pander to the needs of the network or the advertisers, but would put the audience first. Shows which have a small enthusiastic audience would not be dropped. Reality shows would have to stick in advertising land, because no-one would pay for that crap. Of course the networks and advertisers are fearful of being cut-out of the market. So while they still have power, they'll attempt to drive the prices of download TV ever higher. This is going to get interesting. C

    1. Re:Changing the business model of television by KokorHekkus · · Score: 2, Informative

      ...Reality shows would have to stick in advertising land, because no-one would pay for that crap...
      It's sad but you are wrong about that part. The makers of reality shows, especially 24/7 ones like Big Brother, already make a sizeable chunk of money on webcast subscriptions. If anything there would be even more of that reality crap with the direct model because the main constraint for them would go away namely availability of airtime. Part of why reality shows are popular among the tv networks is that they expose the makers to smaller financial risks than other productions and have a significantly shorter lead times. Instead of actors you have idiots appearing for free and specially constructed props/locations are not used that much.

      I'd expect, like you, that a directly-paid model would actually create some good quality material. But the majority would still be crap. You'd see every Tom, Dick and Harry Productions scrape together a couple of hundred thousand dollars to make a bunch of pilot episodes, include a couple of "shock-value" ones and give the first ones away for free and then set up a subscription service.
  12. Numbers are stupid. by etnu · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Between my wife and I, we watch the following shows on a regular basis: (Winter): - Battlestar Galactica (Sci Fi, 1 hour, 26 hours per year with commercials) - Rome (HBO, 1 hour, 26 hours per year with no commercials) - The Office (NBC 1/2 hour, 12 hours per year with commercials) (Spring): - The Sopranos (HBO, 1 hour, 26 hours per year with no commercials) - Big Love (HBO, 1 hour, 26 hours per year with no commercials) (Year round): - The daily Show (Comedy Central, 1/2 hour, 150 episodes per year with commercials) - The colbert report (Comedy Central, 1/2 hour, 150 episodes per year with commercials) All told, that adds up to 416 hours that we actually care about per year. I'd estimate that we also watch about 100 hours or so of miscellaneous stuff (discovery health and the occasional sci fi miniseries). We'll round here and say 550 hours of programming per year, total. This would cost us $1100 from iTunes or whatnot, but it costs us $720 from comcast. In my case, the numbers are highly skewed because I watch the daily show and the colbert report; if I didn't, iTunes would be a much better deal (assuming that there was a really great way to get the content to my television set, of course). "Season passes" to most of the shows I listed above can be bought from iTunes for $30-50 each. I'd gladly pay $350 a year for the 7 shows over what I pay for comcast. -

  13. Re:PT Barnum by node+3 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yikes! That's over 1/2 million PT Barnums born per year!

    I'd have thought the number would be much smaller...

  14. How to compete with free by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Competing with free means two things. First, you need to provide a quality product. No commercials, high definition, good bit rate, no DRM. Then, you have a product that is as good or better than free. The reason I don't buy DVDs is that when I want to watch a film, I want to watch a film and not commercials etc. 99 hours of "bonus content" generally does not add any value for anyone except hard core fans. I don't really care how they made the trees in LOTR.

    The second thing big content needs to do is get the price right. People pay for their internet connection, cable TV, maybe a premium Usenet account etc. because they want to download content. So, like it or not, they already paid and can get TV for no extra cost. If you want more money out of them, it had better not be too much and you had better make the buying experience damn good (i.e. very high speed downloads, no special software required). It has to be simultanious with the first showing on TV too.

    Oh, and never forget, just because you spent a lot of money making it doesn't mean it's worth a lot. Your content has to be good, not expensive. Make old BBC Horizon programs from the 80s available for 20p, and I'll bite.

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  15. Uh huh by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Pickpockets, spammers, and con artists are "just trying to scrape together a buck" too.

    In any case... I can watch my boxset of Firefly DVDs without seeing any ads, and there are several episodes in it which were never aired. I own several other series on DVD as well.
    Fun fact: the most expensive DVD boxset I own costs less than (the hours of time I would have lost watching ads) * (my hourly wage).

  16. 'nuf said. by jpellino · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I watch about four different television shows on a regular basis - Lost, Battlestar Galactica, Heroes, and typically a current reality show (which is Grease: You're The One That I Want right now)"

    *blink*

    OK - of all the content on a full menu of cable or sat, this is the sum total of what you find compelling?

    I know there's no accounting for taste, but you're hardly their typical demo.

    Most of us are paying full price for a house and really only using three rooms and reallly only for a half the day at best. What's up with that raw deal?

    You pay the $1 or 2 to listen or watch whenever you want, as often as you want. No one's holding a gun to your head, and it's an alternative to buying DVR etc. This is a vaguely similar argument to the music sedction, usually pointed at Apple - thet they're "forcing" you to adopt their model. Wrong. There are many music providers. being the market leader is not the same as being an unregulated monopoly.

    Which leads us to the cable company. They deregulated cable AFTER the wires were laid down, and unlike the local telcos who are merely the custodian of the infrastructure and must let anyone send their info over the copper, the cable companies have no established way of letting anyone else down the coax. The satellite system is similar - as long as the financial agent owns the pipe, it's their ball and they can go home.

    About the only thing I'd change about any video delivery model is make sure it's a la carte, for the sake of scaling down rising cost. The industry is claiming that it will cost a bajillion dollars per person to do this, but that's what they said about seat belts, air bags, ABS, flying car^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H personal cell phones and DVD players.

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  17. Just Say "No." by CheeseburgerBrown · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Whenever these topics come up many of us seem to agree that TV sucks, yet somehow the issue remains worthy of debate. Why hand over more money for rights-handicapped mediocrity? Do we for some reason feel we require television in order to fit into our culture?

    Personally, I'm saying "to hell with it!" I just stripped my cable package down to nothing but Internet, and I can't imagine regretting it. While it's true that I may not be hip to the latest watercooler joke, but I bet I'll survive the trauma.

    TV needs me more than I need TV. Let them sweeten the deal before I come back.


  18. And for someone who watches 10 hours a month... by patio11 · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... its a freaking sweet deal. I pay for the stuff I want to watch (Heroes, 24), and everybody else gets to pay for "We Put Twenty Attention-Starved Coeds On an Island and Drama Happened".

  19. DVD/VHS comparison? by jbreckman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I stopped reading when he claimed VHS looked better than DVD.

  20. It depend son how many shows you really care about by brunes69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    If you only really care to watch 1 or 2 shows, then even the basic cable subscription (say, $20) is going to be more expensive than paying $1.99 / episode to download the show ( 2 bucks * 4 new shows a month = 8 bucks, 16 bucks for two shows ).

    And on top of that, no commercials to wate time on, no schedule to keep or PVR to buy, etc etc.

    Cable is only a better value for people who watch a lot of TV. I have digital cable, and the movies package, several other packages, etc etc. I pay over $90 a month for my cable. I love it, and think I get good value (I watch a lot of movies), but I can easily see the other side as well. I have friends and relatives who haven't had cable TV in years and are perfectly content to watch their 1-2 shows a week downloaded.

    To each his own. There is never going to be a pricing model that fits everything. It's the same reason there is both subscription cell phone coverage, and PayGo cell phone coverage.

    Both cable and pay-to-download are here to stay IMO.

  21. Re:A La Carte can be cheaper than All You Can Eat by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only problem is that the download services are all DRM'ed to death and incompatible with mythtv.
    So what? None of that provides any real obstacle to watching the show (which is the point of television, I thought). Yeah, DRM systems are bad, and it'd be swell if everything worked seamlessly with everyone's favorite playback system. Wouldn't it be neat if first-run movies played on my home TV, and there were no commercials on anything, and I could call up epsidoes of All in the Family to watch at will? I'd also like to have a pony. Downloading TV shows for a fee meets my needs, as well as can be expected, at a price I find reasonable. Complaining that it doesn't match an implausible ideal seems pointless.
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  22. al a carte subs by man_ls · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Cable providers have sophisticated enough two-way networks that it shouldn't be that difficult to charge exactly how much people want, to the tune of $2/month per channel, if you don't want that many.

    The channels I would watch on cable or satellite are ones that are only available on the higher tiers of programming. But, in order to get them, it means I'm saddled with a dozen "family" and "kids" channels, two dozen "news" channels, numerous channels akin to "lifetime" and mtv, mtv2, mtx, vh1 and its sisters, etc. As well as literally between 4-5 Spanish stations I am not interested in on cable, all the way up over a dozen on satellite. This means that in order to watch IFC and Fuse (i do occasionally watch Fox and USA also) I'm using about 1% of what I'd be receiving, and paying full price for it. Effectively, those channels are costing me $25/month each.

    One satellite subscription service (selling 4DTV subscriptions over C-Band) does offer al a carte programming but they have less than 100k subscribers nationwide and many of the networks aren't renewing contracts with them, because it isn't worth their time. They charge a very small fee monthly. But, you need a 10 foot dish...

    I understand programming bundles exist to subsidize the foreign-language channels and special-interest channels that nobody would ever pay for in their own time, but that's why I'm not a subscriber. I get enough channels (even in HD) with a good rabbit-ears antenna and that's how it is going to stay.