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Freeing the Good Stuff From University Labs

netbuzz writes "University research labs are not supposed to be like Vegas: What happens in them is not supposed to stay there. A nonprofit from the Kauffman Innovation Network launching yesterday at DEMO 07 aims to free the fruits of academic research that would otherwise sit trapped on university shelves. Bonus: the site translates academic-speak into English.

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  1. So basically.. by joshetc · · Score: 3, Funny

    Some dude wants to see university research. Then they write an article about it and post it on Slashdot?.

    Well I want to see boobs, lots of them. Can I have my Slashdot story now please?

    1. Re:So basically.. by Laur · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well I want to see boobs, lots of them.
      I don't understand. You apparently have internet access, yet you are having trouble seeing boobs?
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  2. Stealing! by nuxx · · Score: 4, Funny

    At first I thought this article was going to be pointers on "freeing the good stuff" chemistry-wise from the lab stores.

    Darn.

  3. Classic catch-22 by kebes · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, the idea is fine: create a site where academics can post plain-English summaries of their research, and where companies can go looking for people doing research in a particular field. Thus it helps to link-up those who have well-defined problems to others who are working on well-defined solutions. This allows companies to either find research they can start funding (because they want the results), or, in the case of more mature research, to find research patents that they want to license.

    So far, so good. It's a good idea precisely because it is simple. The problem, however, is that there is little reason, at present, for either academics or companies to use this site. The site will only become useful once it has built up a significant community of users. Only then will it be useful to either side.

    Academics are already very busy, and finding time to post summaries is going to be difficult. They will only do it if there is a good chance that some company will take notice. Likewise companies are not going to waste time looking through a small database of random research results.

    So it's a catch-22 where no one is going to use the thing until it's useful; hence it will never become useful. Perhaps with their startup money they will pay people to start inputting findings, at least until the network reaches a critical mass. But until the site has a big enough of a following, you're going to have a hard time gaining visibility. This is same problem alot of "networking" sites have: it's hard to build up a big community. What they really need is to figure out some way to make the site useful, even while it is small in size.

    1. Re:Classic catch-22 by Red+Flayer · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Academics are already very busy, and finding time to post summaries is going to be difficult.

      That's what undergrad research assistants are for. It's also something that could easily fall under a university's PR budget -- loading the site with contributions from your organization looks pretty good to prospective students and their parents, let alone companies who are interested in co-funding research.
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    2. Re:Classic catch-22 by penguinbroker · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I agree that the idea has potential to be incredibly useful. But this is highly contingent on the quality and consistency of the "community tagging" that this services hopes to exploit. Working in research labs at a reputable engineering research university I find that the most difficult thing is formulating your problem into discernable parts. Once you formulate the problem into 'academic speak' so to say, finding the solution (or finding if there already is a solution) is straight forward. That's kind of the whole point of 'academic speak,' to give consistency to the way all this research is described so that there is a way to connect ideas between different projects. Also, what kind of credibility will these community tags hold? Is it really going to be that much more informative than the latest textbooks? If I'm into programming parallel distributed robotic systems, shouldn't I just read the latest releases from conferences like the AAAI? Tangent note, from the perspective of a computer science major, I would like to see this embracing of descriptive community tags applied to something like Google's code search tool. It'd be great to say something like "I want a script that takes as input X, and outputs Y." This is because the programming community benefits the most (at least the most quickly) from collaboration, ie Rosetta Codes mantra of "don't reinvent the wheel."

  4. Already happening by cfulmer · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm a lawyer who (among other things) advises startups who want to license discoveries from universities. There is already a thriving market in such research, thanks in large part to the Bayh-Dole act, which allows universities to exploit inventions funded by the US government. The gov't gets a non-exclusive right to practice the invention (or have it practiced for the government) and there are a few other relatively minor restrictions. Because of this, Universities have been mining their research for years. Especially in the biochem and biotech industries, the vegas-like attitude does not exist. Quite the opposite -- researchers typically now conduct their research with an eye toward its commercial practicability. Before Bayh-Dole, this rarely happened.

    1. Re:Already happening by The_Wilschon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      researchers typically now conduct their research with an eye toward its commercial practicability.
      And you think this is an entirely good thing? Sure it has some good points. The universities get more money quicker. However, the general state of things previously was that academics did pie in the sky research, much of which never winds up being "useful" (although I would argue that increasing our general knowledge is useful...), and then industry would take what it could use from there and develop it for commercial practicability. Notice, however, that industry doing research with an eye toward commercial practicability rarely comes up with the new, ground-breaking, really great stuff. Its all kind of humdrum usage of established knowledge. The great advances (which later enable commercial applications) come from way out there pie in the sky research with no view to commercial practicability.

      Of course, there is not a bright line, for instance, Bell Labs back in the day did a lot of research without view to practicability. Bell Labs is famed for being the source of an awful lot of really awesome stuff, too.

      I think that Bayh-Dole may very well cause university research to fall into the same boat as industrial research. You won't be able to start a project until you can prove that it will have some commercial application. That's not a good state to be in.

      BTW, this "vegas-like attitude" doesn't exist. Nobody in universities actively tries to keep their research to themselves, because that would harm them more than anyone else. Academia runs on reputations, and you can't build up a reputation (and thus get grant money) unless you release your research. The reason that a lot of university research stays in the universities is that nobody comes asking for it. Nearly all research professors are delighted to talk the ear off anyone who shows an interest in their research. So, if you want to know what they are doing, just ask!
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  5. I want to see some patent protection by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No private corporation should ever be able to patent anything developed with my tax money. Why is THAT allowed to continue? I'm tired of paying for companies' research for them. In fact I'd say that this state of affairs is why more public companies don't bother to do major research. They know they can get the same stuff done for free (or for much cheaper anyway) by a University someplace, using our tax dollars.

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    1. Re:I want to see some patent protection by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The reason why we allow private entities to commercialize the results of federally-funded research is because the previous situation was so bad -- useful research was just sitting in labs because nobody could make any money off it.

      I'm sorry, but I don't believe that a patent is required to make use of this research. The only thing required is that it be made public. A centralized repository of such research would do the job nicely.

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    2. Re:I want to see some patent protection by convolvatron · · Score: 2, Informative

      so you think the situation under bayh-dole where the university is supposed to be
      legally obliged to patent it and license it is really much better? do you know what
      its like to have your phd work sold off to the higest bidder before you can even
      finish it and get your doctorate? to have university lawyer sniffing around your
      work area looking for things that might be patentable. to not be able to open
      source simple tools because something thinks they are required to try and sell them
      off? to have to have your academic papers reviewed by techical lawyers as if you
      were in a company?

      commericalization does get some fruits of research in front on the public that may
      not have bene otherwise, but its also in almost direct opposition to the normal
      academic model of frank and open discussion.

    3. Re:I want to see some patent protection by PriceIke · · Score: 4, Insightful

      US Constitution, Article I, Section 8: To promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and discoveries;

      Patent law is DRM for researchers.

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  6. Bayh-Dole Act is the first door/barrier by Fysiks+Wurks · · Score: 5, Informative

    The Bayh-Dole Act ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayh-Dole_Act ) confers univeristies the IP rights to their discoveries.

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  7. OT: Opinion Center by cain · · Score: 3, Interesting
    What the hell is up with the new "Opinion Center" thingy? It looks like I can minimize it, but I cannot. The one and only link, labeled "intel" is actully a doubleclick.net link. On the right a mouse-over pops up a huge ugly green window which contains an "article" by the "OSTG Marketing Dept." Advertising creeps in more and more. Obnoxious.

    WTF?

  8. Re:Where's the beef?! by caffeinemessiah · · Score: 3, Informative
    Agree with the poster. Here's the summary for the lazy:

    The iBridge Network aggregates research materials, technologies and discoveries into an online, easy-to-search forum. Through the iBridge Web site, researchers and commercial end users can find what they need by using community tagging and open interfaces -- and then obtain the materials via e-commerce.

    Sounds like the put up a bunch of research paper links, allow tagging, search and a forum and then once you click on the link -- and this is the best part -- you can obtain the material via "e-commerce", or by paying for it. I presume the "translated academic speak" feature is tagging and forums, which is hardly earth-shattering.

    Also, there is a lot of research out there that simply cannot be reliably translated into lay speak. You can't take some research papers and condense it to "so yeah, send 12k of data through the pipe for best performance". There's a reason that academic papers are complicated, and believe me, it's not to confuse the public. And the papers on which you can translate reliably into layspeak are probably shit in the first place.

    There's another site where you can access research papers (largely for free), citation lists, bibtex entries: Google scholar. Also, CiteSeer. Sure, there's no forums, but then there's Usenet and the age-old technique of email-the-author (actually works sometimes).

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  9. Re:Where's the beef?! by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Admittedly offtopic, but I once knew a blonde who signed up for a lecture on boolean cubes.

    She got really miffed and stormed out when she found out it wasn't about making soup.

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  10. Been There; Done That by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Funny

    During my university career, my fellow students and I freed quite a bit of "good stuff" from our labs... ethanol, useful glassware, etc.

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  11. Bell labs was an artifact of scamming regulations. by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Of course, there is not a bright line, for instance, Bell Labs back in the day did a lot of research without view to practicability. Bell Labs is famed for being the source of an awful lot of really awesome stuff, too.

    Bell Labs was an artifact of an attempt to scam government regulation.

    AT&T was allowed, as part of its monopoly grant by the Fed, to set telephone rates so they made about 6% on all the money they spent on building the system. That included research on how to do telephony better.

    So they set up Bell Labs to spend money on research with some tenuous connection to telephony. For every dollar they spent they could effectively bill phone users $1.06 and add six cents to the bottom line.

    So Bell Labs did all sorts of research - not just applied research, but basic research - though always with some plausible telephony connection, of course.

    And the hysterical thing about it is that, as a scam, it was a total failure. It turns out that basic research comes up with LOTS of useful stuff - just not necessarily something you could anticipate before you start and explain to the PHBs to justify the expense. From year one (until a recent point far post-disvestiture when some Boston Business School types finally looted it by scrapping the research projects for short-term profitability) Bell Labs research made more for the company (in process savings, licensing fees, and the like) than it cost them.

    But financially it was still a win of cosmic proportions - both for its owners and for humanity.

    Basic research is REALLY good stuff economically. It's just that you can't say what the benefits will be until you actually make the discoveries...

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  12. Conclusions and academics by Per+Abrahamsen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It is, in fact, very hard to get academics to conclude anything beyond "this approach shows great promise, and should be investigated further". [ Please give me more money. ]

    Of course, a journalist can't use such a non-conclusion to anything, so the few academics who like to use stronger statements (or like to be in the media) are used constantly. So those are the academics the laymen are going to see.