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Blackboard's "Pledge" Not to Sue Open Source Software

Another anonymous reader writes with a link to the Inside Higher Education site. Those folks are reporting on Blackboard's 'pledge' not to sue open source projects used by universities and colleges. The Blackboard patent on educational groupware filed last year has come under a lot of fire, with many organizations simply seeking an open-source alternative. This newest peace offering to higher education groups has the Sakai open source consortium more than a little bit nervous. If Blackboard meant to set people at ease, all it has managed to do was confirm to onlookers that it 'wants to keep its legal options open.' Blackboard insists that this new pledge affords universities a number of legal privileges, and is designed to make educators 'sleep easy at night.' Somehow, very few people seem reassured. Update: 02/02 17:34 GMT by Z : Bad first link fixed.

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  1. First link is borked by PornMaster · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first link goes to a Scoble blog entry about completely different things...

    1. Re:First link is borked by sesquipedalian_one · · Score: 2, Informative

      Try this page.

    2. Re:First link is borked by hahiss · · Score: 4, Informative

      Newsforge has had a few links this morning; here's a decent one:

      http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-6155469.html

      The gist of the situation is that Blackboard is making a pledge, but (i) apparently the constraints of the pledge are incompatible with the GPL (so it does GPL'd projects little good) and (ii) they're reserving the right to revoke the "license" from anyone that sues Blackboard for patent infringement.

      Of course, the real question here is whether they have a legitimate patent in the first place; if they don't, then the issues above go away.

      [Note: I'm not a legal expert, I'm not privvy to the relevant docs, and I've not been consulted by any parties involved. As a result, I'm not saying that the allegations are correct; I'm just telling the author of the parent post what has been alleged.]

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  2. "not evil" for now, until aquired/sold by denis-The-menace · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Even with all good intentions in mind, all pleadges/promises will go out the windows when somebody buys the company.

    Either donate the patent to OSDL patent commons project or start enforcing it.
    (If you don't enforce now it makes it harder to enforce it later when greed kicks in.)

    Aren't SW patent wonderful?

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    1. Re:"not evil" for now, until aquired/sold by squiggleslash · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's a third option, which is to create a non-revokable Class License applying to software licensed under open source licenses. That way, should the company be bought, anyone using the technology covered by the license under an open source environment will remain protected.

      Personally though I'd rather just see the patent revoked. Supposedly there's another attempt brewing to get SCOTUS to look at software patents.

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  3. Here's zdnet's coverage by benhocking · · Score: 2, Informative

    ZDNet has also covered the story.

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  4. Blackboard's Quality by Surr3al · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, it would be one thing if blackboard actually had something to offer, but unfortunately in comparison with other open source (or web apps brewed within the edu) there really isn't much contrast. Meaning, if Blackboard had some desirable features that would be worth paying for, it would be more tempting to purchase it, obviously. Unfortunately, every feature they currently offer can be coded internally rather easily (my school proves this quite well), or it can be added in by some other module - for instance a php nuke forum.

    Maybe in realizing this - but realizing the latter point that they would be competing against their own potential customers decided it would just be really bad PR.

    1. Re:Blackboard's Quality by Fallingcow · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The three big uses of it here:

      1) file dump, like you said. PDFs, or, more often, .doc files.

      2) the forums get used every now and then. Mostly just for online classes, really.

      3) grade reporting. Some departments/colleges use it, others don't.

      NONE of these things requires Blackboard, and all could be replicated by a single competent sysadmin/coder in maybe a week's time, including ironing out (most) problems and making it easy and secure for the professors and students to use.

    2. Re:Blackboard's Quality by bcrowell · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately, every feature they currently offer can be coded internally rather easily (my school proves this quite well)
      I'm the author of an open-source course management package called Spotter, and I have to agree -- both the ideas behind and the implementation of one of these things are pretty trivial. My own software is more narrowly focused on science classes, and doesn't have some of the broader functionality in it that Blackboard has, but it still does enough that it seems to do every single thing listed in Blackboard's ridiculous patent. Really the only thing about mine, conceptually, that I would claim was non-obvious was a method for checking symbolic math answers using numerical sampling and continuation of analytic functions into the complex plane -- maybe I should patent that :-) These systems have been around for a long time, and all the ideas have been in the air. The system I wrote was actually inspired by a demo I saw of an open-source system called lon-capa, developed at MSU; lon-capa has been around, in one form or another, since 1992, whereas Blackboard and WebCT only date back to about 1995. I'm sure the reason none of the academics who developed the OSS systems filed patents is that they realized how ridiculously trivial the ideas were. Blackboard has clearly realized that they can't compete on price or features, because systems like these are easy to implement for free. So instead they've decided to create an artificial monopoly for themselves by suing anyone who tries to compete. Gosh, isn't it generous of them to make a pledge (with strings attached) not to sue me. I'd also appreciate it if they'd make a pledge not to burn down my house.

  5. Good Old Blackboard by Jordan+Catalano · · Score: 4, Informative

    See an insecurity in their systems? They'll sue you to shut you up about it.

    http://web.archive.org/web/20050404014123/se2600.o rg/acidus/campuswide/index.html

  6. That's how it normally starts by roman_mir · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you want to start a war with someone, first thing you should do is assure the opposite side of your eternal love and cooperation. Then, when the opposite side is all calmed down and relaxed hit them with the biggest hammer you've got and aim right for the head.

    1. Re:That's how it normally starts by TheDreadSlashdotterD · · Score: 2, Funny

      In other words, a pledge is a promise to make a potential victim feel good about being shot in the face.

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  7. Re:So no litigation by niiler · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Bingo. This story looks like a company trying to put a positive spin on the fact that they're in the process of losing their patents due to a plethora of prior art. Their PR people won't, of course, mention this to educators, preferring to sow FUD so that they won't lose their de-facto monopoly over courseware at universities.

    As our university is hurting for money and poorly endowed (ahem), I for one, am going to recommend Moodle when it comes to renewing our Blackboard license. Based on my experiences with Blackboard, Moodle looks to be more flexible.

  8. A big suprise by ManUMan · · Score: 5, Informative
    I am not sure what will happen with the Blackboard patent (if it will hold up, etc.), but I see this as an attempt for

    Blackboard to try to keep some face. The Blackboard product heavily utilizes "building blocks" (assuming you have the enterprise version), many of which are open source. If Blackboard is benefiting from open source, attacking open source products may kill or slow down the inovation that comes from the building blocks...

    Additionally, I think this is an attempt to try to placate those who are shouting prior art and want to go after the patent and invalidate it... The reasoning might go like, "If they aren't going after sakai or moodle, i don't really care if they have the patent." That is how I see the real purpose of this move... It seems fairly shrewd. Hopefuly higher ed will continue to go after them and educause will keep the pressure up. BTW, there is a joint statement from educause and sakai (PDF) on educause's website. (Here is the statement on sakai's page.)

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  9. Be Wary, Very Wary by JumpingBull · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you look at this offer as a game of chess, they are sacrificing a small market segment usually served with discounted prices. As a telling example, most sales to the education industry are very inexpensive compared to the prices real companies and people pay. The Microsoft office suite, as an example, is discounted to under 150USD, while the average person can pay much, much more.

    The leverage this gives a company is incredible! Educators are always looking for stuff on the cheap, and the idea that a 150 software package translates into hundreds more of sales at the full price doesn't occur to them. So, they merrily specify it, and that generates a tremendous demand for later sales.

    Similarly, by "protecting" open source in an educational context, they are able to copy features that would be built in by the community. Now, the market demands are already known, and just need to be branded and productized.

    The real payoff for them is business; both as a part of infrastructure, and as a collaberation tool. Here the price for such tools can be quite high (about 10K USD).

    Don't take the cheese, it's on a trap.

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  10. Blackboard just sucks by kitsunewarlock · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm going to say, as a college student, blackboard sucks. Only about 15% of my teachers bother using it, and even among that percent, only around 50% of those who do use it know how. I can hardly use the messy interface of this horrible little system. Honestly, if I had a class, I'd just pop-up an invision or phpbb forum. I've only seen the "submit homework" feature used once. Having a place to get your syllabus is nice and all, but in the end all our teachers have free web space they hardly use anyways.

    The only decent thing blackboard does is connect to our school's account systems so we have 1 account for 5 different systems (library, e-mail, direct payments and some other system too). And personally I see that as a security risk if anything...

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  11. It's hogwash by sterno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Glancing at the patent, there are two key pieces. There's a piece that talks about having a role based system where there are specifically teacher, student, and administrator roles. There's also a piece that talks about how files would be managed in that environment, permitting uploads, role based access, etc.

    I wrote a system in 1997, predating this by at least three years that did pretty much what they are saying (your patent lawyer mileage may vary). My system was a modification of an existing open source forum product that created the ability for Teachers to come in and create classrooms that students could subscribe to. Any person could be a teacher by creating a classroom, but within the context of a given classroom there was a distinct role of teacher and student.

    They filed their patent in 2000. They are at least three years too late. I also know that there was other software out at the time that provided similar capabilities because, to some extent, I was competing with those products at the time.

    So I call BS on their patent.

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    1. Re:It's hogwash by FireFlie · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Ultimately proving once again how very useless software patents are. I am all for protecting your code/algorithms from people simply copying/pasting into their own projects if you desire, but if you are correct in your reading of the patent this is just foolish. I don't know anything about patent law, but I'm sure you are right, and there are probably a wealth of other projects that you haven't seen that predate blackboard that come dangerously close to the patent. Call of BS seconded.

    2. Re:It's hogwash by FireFlie · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, it's even worse. At the level the patents are actually describing, it seems that the best bad analogy would be Coca-Cola patenting "Brown liquids meant for consumption".

  12. The real problem... by sterno · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It doesn't quite matter whether I'm actually right or not. If I was going to start up a company to develop software in that market, I'd now have to either pay a royalty to blackboard, or take my chances in court. One bright side is that a recent supreme court ruling established that you can sue blackboard beforehand to get a judgment on the validity of their patent. But still that will cost quite a bit of money.

    That's the problem is that the patent system heavily favors the people that get the patent, whether it's valid or not.

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  13. The target is Oracle by Freedom451 · · Score: 2, Informative

    From BB's FAQ:

    My company would like to incorporate Open Source Software into our proprietary software (e.g., include the Sakai Course Management System as part of a commercially-licensed software package). We won't be charging for the portion that contains the Open Source Software but will be charging for our proprietary portion. Is my company covered by this pledge?

    No. To the extent that any proprietary software is Bundled with the Open Source Software, this pledge would not apply. However, if your customers wish to supplement or enhance your proprietary product with Open Source Software which is not Bundled by you, that would be covered. Blackboard believes this pledge provides a strong incentive for developers to continue building extensions to proprietary solutions as well as to enhance standards such as those promulgated by IMS, while allowing schools to accomplish all of its information technology goals.

    Compare that with:
    Oracle and Unicon, Inc. Unveil Plans to Create Next-Generation Academic Enterprise Environment

    Then http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=ORCL&d=t
    vs.
    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=bbbb

    Cage match!

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  14. Re:What about Blackboard's other pending patents? by Patent-Monkey · · Score: 2, Informative

    Clearly, they have only received one issued patent and the rest of the application cannot be asserted until the claims are set in stone. They have US Patent 6,988,138 which is currently under review as well. It is a great point that they've got more applications coming and this needs to also be considered.

  15. Reciprocation? by linvir · · Score: 2, Funny

    What do you say, guys? Should we pledge not to sue them in return?

    No wait, that'd be really condescending.