Low Earth Orbit Junk Yard Nearly Full
vlado4 writes "The New York Times has up an article on the amount of space junk in Earth Orbit. According to NASA officials, the amount of stuff we've put into LEO is at critical levels. Additionally they have great graphics of the nearly 1000 new pieces resulting from testing the new Chinese anti-satellite weapon, as well as the damage to Hubble's solar array. The litter is now so bad that, even if space-faring nations refrained from further interference, collisions would continue to create more clutter just above our atmosphere. Space debris appear to be a difficult problem to deal with and may hinder future space exploration."
We'll just have the Chinese clear it out with their new laser death beam things.
I hereby claim ownership of the concept of the space zamboni.
Space debris appear to be a difficult problem to deal with and may hinder future space exploration.
Sure, but it also prevents stuff from comig in. Things like alien landers, etc. Or in an earth hostility only mode, it is a cheaper, and more effective, vresion of the Star Wars defense. Put more up there and let it shield us.
Launch a new ball of garbage into orbit to propel the old ball of garbage away from earth. It's foolproof.
Not only are we destroying our own environment, our planet is surrounded by floating trash.
Didn't Arthur C Clarke or Isaac Asimov detail this problem years ago and posit that a space garbage service would have to be setup to collect this stuff?
The cesspool just got a check and balance.
All these debris collide with one another and create fine dust covering the earth. It will reflect just enough sunlight to reduce the amount of absorbed radiation to counter the global warming. What a great relief! Last momement reprieve, brought to you by Frank Merrywell.
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Hey, wait, I played Math Blaster -- I am ready for this .
Perhaps life really is full of possibilities.
The NYT calls out the US but makes no mention of the the loss of the CERISE satellite by a fragment of an exploded Ariane upper stage in 1997.
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This is a HUGE problem. Considering that kinetic energy is proportional to the square of velocity, think about how much damage even a small chip of paint can do at orbital speeds (low Earth orbit = approx. 5 miles per second). Then think of a 2 lb. chunk of metal at the same speed (8 times the speed of a rifle bullet).
Right off the top of my head I can't think of a feasible way of beginning to clean this up. Perhaps large orbital superconducting magnets (easy to maintain cryo temperatures in space) for the ferrous stuff, but what about ceramics and all the other junk?
This has the potential to make what is usually the safest part of space travel (sitting there in orbit) the most dangerous part, unlike the historical danger zones of liftoff and reentry.
This is typical of the shortsighted idiotic human being. Most people just seem incapable of thinking multiple steps ahead. It's a pretty obvious problem that clear thinking would have revealed from the get go. But, as is the human way, it was far easier to just forget about the problem until it interferes. Of course as soon as someone would have suggested that we find a way to clean up the space junk early on, they would have been derided for getting in the way and worrying about petty concerns. Humanity disgusts me.
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Maybe it will become a new moon some day, and we could inhabit it, and create a new layer of orbiting junk
Didn't somebody design a really cheap system of kamikaze satellites that would grapple the dangerous pieces and de-orbit them into the atmosphere? By really cheap I mean ~10,000 dollars. Surely we could put a couple of those on the ISS in case it looked like something was coming for it. I know it's expensive to launch the things, but AFAIK they're about the size of a propane tank for a BBQ and could be launched in vast numbers on a single rocket. The space is so large we only need to worry about the stuff in the space we WANT to be in or go through. All the geosynchronous stuff is in a much higher orbit, so we only need to worry about the stuff in LEO and the stuff going through it. It shoudn't be a problem to plot a course through it, and we can clear the orbits as we go.
We've broken Space.
I guess we'll just have to go back to throwing our crap exclusively into the air and oceans. Last one to the beach with a six-pack is a rotten egg!
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NASA needs to cut a deal with Blizzard. Make each of the pieces of "space junk" an ultra-rare item in World of Warcraft that the players have to go and collect themselves.
The problem will be solved in 3 months.
It seems you missed the announcement, the space junk race has been canceled. While your actions are impressive, and as irresponsible as any superpower has ever been, there is no need to attempt to catch up with the US and the states formerly known as the Soviet Union.
You also might be interested to know that there has been a litany of terrestrial environmental mistakes made over the past century or so. While we recognize that it's you're right to fuck shit up on your own, we strongly suggest at least making an attempt to learn from mistakes already made.
In summary, we all remember our first beer too, but come on, it's time to grow up a bit.
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You leave it alone and it will go away. The drag forces on small objects in LEO will cause their orbits to decay in 3-5 years. Debris in higher orbits is another matter.
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Soon those saturn bastards will envy OUR ring!!
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> how much is human waist?
Depending on the human, somewhere around around 32 inches.
Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
All space software should now be written in a garbage-collected language.
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Now if only we could create some giant space vacuum...
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Put a culture in a petri dish, and the population increases exponentially. After a lapse in time, the waste material created by the culture follows suit. At some point in the petri dish, the waste starts killing the culture and the population begins to decrease and eventually die out. This can be charted as a bell curve. We are all in a giant Petri Dish and our waste will eventually kill us.
Reminds me of that manga called "Planetes" about a team of space debris cleaners.
The story started as a discovery-type vessel got hit by a screw which led to a window exploding, killing everyone.
It's a pretty good reading imho, very informative for what's about to come in the space exploration adventure.
And so are our oceans -- 2 millions tons of it according to an article I saw yesterday.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
Makes me think of Planetes...
You see? You see? Your stupid minds! Stupid! Stupid!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planetes
It was made into a great (and I mean GREAT) anime as well.
The story of Planetes takes place in the near future. Unlike many other anime and science fiction productions, special care was given in Planetes for a very realistic depiction of space and space travel. For instance, when in a weightless environment, the cel count dramatically increases in order to make weightless motion more fluid and realistic. Also, spaceships make no noise in the vacuum of space and astronauts routinely suffer from known space illnesses such as radiation poisoning, decompression sickness, cancer, brittle bones and mental illnesses spawned from isolation in the vacuum of space. One character, born on the Moon, grew to be abnormally tall due to the lesser lunar gravity.
Concepts like momentum in weightlessness are early plot points and are always illustrated naturally. Director Goro Taniguchi stated in the DVD commentary that he learned much about orbital mechanics in the course of making the series. This can be shown in showing specific orbital energy, through changing orbits by applying thrust throughout the series. Even the necessity for the retrieval of space debris that is central to the plot is rooted in the serious and growing problem with space debris today.
Uh, have you looked around the US? I personally live in a valley in Northern California that used to be a sort of paradise in which the locals (Pomo "Indians") used to regularly live over 100 years due to their diet and lifestyle. Today the lake is horribly polluted with mercury and agricultural run off. The lake is called Clear Lake, and it was when white men first showed up here. Today it is about the same color as pea soup and frankly you can't see much further through it most days.
This is pretty much the story of the US. Some people were living in harmony with nature, doing controlled burns on a regular basis to provide stewardship of the land. (In fact my lady and I were just looking at a seed catalog and found a plant that said "to germinate, burn several inches of pine needles above the seeds" etc etc.) Then some white guys showed up, killed and enslaved lots of them, and cut down their oaks (depriving them of a major staple) in order to plant crops or grow cattle. Then the government gets involved, and kills most of the rest of them. We have an island up here now known as Bloody Island because the army came through and massacred all but a small handful of members of one band. The island is up the road from where I work in a tribal casino. Next the government would take further action to make sure they couldn't maintain their old way of life; besides granting all their land to some other white people, they actually paid people to plant walnut trees. Walnuts are tasty but they provide nothing like the nutrition of oak acorns.
You are sadly deluding yourself if you think China is any different from the US. They're just behind. And they're catching up rapidly.
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So you're saying the Shuttle will be up on blocks. OK. Wonder how much a really big Trans Am decal would cost?
I'd have a personalized plate on my car, but "toxic bachelor" won't fit into 7 letters.
At 850km, the "lighter" objects (high area-to-mass ratio, e.g. insulation, thin plates) will decay within 30 to 60 years. A 1cm steel sphere at that altitude, for example, will only drop about 80km over the next 100 years.
NASA's Orbital Debris Quarterly News has general articles, and always ends with a launch table and "box score". We'll have to wait for the next issue, but China has more than tripled its cataloged debris. With this one event, it's now got about a quarter of what the US and Russia each have, pulling well ahead of France and locking in its position in 3rd place.
I'm really curious about what's going on behind the Chinese wall. I know that NASA in no way controls what the US DoD does in space, and can only nag the administration to keep its promises. NASA scrambles the same way no matter who does the test. Does the Chinese Minsistry of Science (or whatever) butt heads with the Ministry of Defense? I look forward to reading the history, many years from now.
First, this is not a permanent problem. It does not take long for an abandoned LEO satellite to decay, fall into the atmosphere, and burn up. Second, imagine about 1000 cars on a surface slightly larger than the earth (not even addressing that LEO satellites are in a pretty wide variation of altitudes). Now image these 1000 cars just driving around the earth in random directions. Collisions seem unlikely. To be precise, is we put the satellites all at 7000km from the earth's center, we have an area A = 6 million km^2. Now, give them roughly the area (actually circumference in 2D) of lets say a bus (to be generous), that be sigma = 6e-2 km. Thus, that gives us a mean free path of l = (1000*sigma/A)^-1 = 10,000,000 km. At a LEO orbital velocity of 7.8 km/s, that would be a collision every 14 days. And if we bumped it up to the full 3D problem, that'd be another couple orders of magnitude.
Because the NYT hates America, right? Glad you rectified their egregious oversight.
They don't "call out" the US. They happen to mention that as a small part of a larger story that really "calls out" the Chinese, if anyone. But we can't let any slight against the US, no matter how small or even entirely in your head it might be, go unchallenged. And of course, the best way to excuse anything is to point out that someone else is also doing it.
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From the article:
"During an eight year period ending in 2002, the solar panels on the Hubble Telescope were struck by space debris at least 725,000 times. Five thousand of these left crates and holes large enough to be seen by the naked eye."
Nope, not too high at all.
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Because those "chowderheads" are aware of the facts that:
1) We have no space tugs
2) Space tugs still cost money to operate (ion engines still use fuel, just less of it)
3) All craft break, even tugs, and in-space maintenence is ungodly expensive
4) Due to widely differing debris orbits and the need to match your target's orbit, it could take an ion engine years *per particle*.
5) The stuff is seen as junk for a reason.
6) There is no in-space forge, either researched or built or launched. Developing one would be a massive (unfunded) research project
7) There is no in-space casting facility. See above.
8) There is no in-space welding infrastructure. See above.
9) Any in-space manufacture would cost a fortune due to the extremely high labor and maintenence costs.
10) Any of the necessary components (tug, forge, casting, welding) could outright fail, making the entire system worthless.
All for what benefit -- eliminating one launch per several *thousand* pieces of debris captured? Great plan there. It's just not realistic, nor economical. Apparently non-"chowderheads" aren't aware of this.
Monkeywrench Ex Machina.
An enormous low earth orbit marshmallow. And it will get toasted on re-entry!
It's not wasting time, I'm educating myself.
Oh my gosh... now you can combine a science degree with an environmental studies degree and get a PhD in Junk Science!
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Weightless bitch-fighting.... hand me the beer and peanuts! Send 8 of 'em to space and they could make it into a survivor-style reality TV series.
Engineering is the art of compromise.
This is *hugely* interesting.
This looks at the economics of how "space garbage collectors" might be managed.
"Planetes" is an outstanding anime - *very* well thought out for the medium-term future of space development. It has a richly envisioned, deeply layered world w/Power struggles (political, corporate), collapse of petroleum economy, widening divide between 1st & 3rd world economies. It is a Very well crafted series; a rich tapestry woven of thought provoking ideas.
The gui "interface" they designed for the space suits is reason enough to watch it. It is Frickin' Cool!
The story line is Exceptionally well done, too.
(Oh yeah, first rate animation is a bonus; nice to see, too.)
Microwave emitters can be used to setup standing waves around orbiting objects and induce deceleration. The idea has been tested and was originally proposed to harvest ore from asteroid fields. In this setup ,however, a series of earth transmitters would use phase coherance to modulate the location of a standing wave to within the known location of a piece of junk. By moving the standing wave just a little behind the object the object will decelerate to try to stay within the trough. It would eventually burn up. The beauty of this idea is that transmission power can be very low for each of the transmitters but the cumulative signal at the calculated point is enormous. The stronger the signal at point x, the greater the force that could be applied. The zone of the standing wave would be the wave length of the transmission frequency therefore by using low frequency signals one could move relatively large objects(half meter, ect). There you go humanity, don't say I never gave you anything. And for those that want to say my mumbo jumbo is foobar, the original idea was proposed by nasa....ok, the diaper lady sorta ruined that street cred but....