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New Universes Will be Born from Ours

David Shiga writes "What gruesome fate awaits our universe? Some physicists have argued that it is doomed to be ripped apart by runaway dark energy, while others think it is bouncing through an endless series of big bangs and big crunches. Now, scientists have combined these two ideas to create another option, in which our universe ultimately shatters into billions of pieces. Each shard would then subsequently grow into a whole new universe. The model could solve the mystery of why our early universe was surprisingly well ordered."

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  1. Please... by EveryNickIsTaken · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now it sounds like these guys aren't even trying anymore. I could've sworn I saw this in an episode of Star Trek.

    1. Re:Please... by Sneftel · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Sounds fine, as long as it's coupled with a plausible explanation for god.

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    2. Re:Please... by Ambitwistor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One single, three-letter word is all we need to answer this question, no models necessary: "GOD."

      I don't understand why we need to make up so many other ideas. Yeah, why have science at all?

      "Why is there lightning?" "God did it."
      "How did mountains form?" "God did it."
      "Why do massive bodies attract each other?" "God did it."
      "How do cells reproduce?" "God did it."
      "Why is there disease?" "God did it."

      Who needs those complicated science models. Three words, no models necessary: "God"
    3. Re:Please... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Funny

      Three words, no models necessary: "God"

      What are the other two words?
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    4. Re:Please... by virgil_disgr4ce · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why, as a scientist at heart, would you think there there is a "meaning of life" to be "proven?" _v/d++

    5. Re:Please... by RatBastard · · Score: 3, Insightful

      However, do we really expect science to explain everything? Is there a scientific method that provides proof for the meaning of life?

      Who says there's a meaning to life? We want there to be one. Doesn't mean there is one. The fundamental purpose in life can be summed up thusly: "Successfully reproduce before something eats you". Do that and you've done what you are here for. Now, we as human beings can add more to that. We can, because of our intelligence, give our lives a "greater" purpose. What that purpose is is up to each of us as individuals. If you want your life to be spent helping those less fortunate than yourself do it. If you want your life to be spent eating as many donuts as you can go for it. It's your life to fritter away im whatever way suits you best.

      To me, the chances of everything being as they are now by cosmic chance seems just as plausible as a God in heaven. So in the meantime I am currently undecided, a fact for which my Christian friends tell me I am undoubtedly going to hell for.

      The chances are better for random chance than for God. We have proof the universe exists. We can see it, smell it, measure it, predict its behavior, etc... We can do none of these things for God. Add to this the fact that all previous religions and gods in history are mere myths and the chances of God being real drops even lower. Why is the current myth any more real than the previous ones? Other than you were raised to believe in this one?

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  2. I was going to write something insightful . . . by StefanJ · · Score: 3, Funny

    . . . witty, and profound, but the announcement that the free bagels and donuts we get every Friday have arrived.

    Just think, if only one percent of those billions of new universes repeat our time-stream, this joyous moment will be repeated . . .

    whoa, they maple bars this morning. I'm out of here. Priorities . . .

  3. I like Isaac Asimov 's interpretation better.... by Slagged · · Score: 5, Interesting
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  4. Black Hole Suck by Dareth · · Score: 3, Funny

    ... is there something somewhere else blowing?

    And no, that wasn't a Spaceballs reference!

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  5. My universe was ripped apart..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny
    ... when my woman left me.

    Baby come back!! No more dark matter - I promise you a Big Bang this time!

  6. Bah humbug by Fist!+Of!+Death! · · Score: 5, Funny

    I propose that the universe is actually a cheap science kit awaiting purchase on the shelf of a hyper-dimensional Toys-R-Us. I could probably prove it too if I had the funding...

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  7. Hopefully by shirizaki · · Score: 4, Funny

    We'll stick around to stay in our little galaxy's lives, as we want to pass on our knowledge and provide care for them. That and the threat of paying child support.

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  8. Possible by styryx · · Score: 5, Interesting

    There has been a lot of research showing that Black Holes themselves are essentially fundamental particles. Coupled with (even if string theory isn't true the fundamental particle geometry is interesting) two concepts of measuring distance. Such that when one passes the Plank Length the 'easy' way of measuring distance becomes hard and measures the reciprocal instead, while the previous hard way becomes easy. Then throw into all of this the notion that we are all moving through space-time at constant velocity (light speed - this is why when you travel faster through space time slows down. so no-one really understands what time is, or how many dimensions (of 11, say) are time, or whether they are essentially different from space, mathematically, physically or philosophically.

    So yeah, i'm just about willing to believe anything right now.

  9. The Hobo-verse by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 5, Funny

    Prominent bizarro physicists believe the new universe will be inverse of our own, controlled by the indigent, and known as the hobo-verse. This new hobo-verse will be controlled by a singular omnipotent box car hobo named "Klackity Klack." Also, it will smell like pee.

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  10. Evidence by CGP314 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm a physics teacher currently teaching about the Big Bang and possible ends of the Universe. I'm just wondering if there are any research physicists in the room who could tell me which theory of the end of the Universe has the most physical evidence to support it at the current time.

    Thank you,

    -CGP

    1. Re:Evidence by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Informative

      Right now, the theory with the most evidence in its favor is the theory which includes a dark energy described by Einstein's cosmological constant. In that theory, the universe's expansion will continue to accelerate forever, although not at such a great rate that there is a "Big Rip" which tears atoms apart. That is the "heat death" scenario, in which the universe lasts forever and runs down until nothing much is going on. Because of the accelerating expansion, we will see fewer and fewer distant galaxies as time goes on, because they will accelerate away from us faster than light can reach us. Ultimately we will only see a few local galaxies in the cluster in which we are bound.

      This scenario is explored in more detail here.

      However, it's possible that the dark energy is dynamical instead of constant, and so the expansion of the universe could accelerate or possibly even reverse and decelerate. With enough deceleration, a Big Crunch is still feasible. There are also the scenarios in which our universe spawns new "universes", such as the one discussed here.

  11. Why is the universe {insert idea here}? by davidwr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You frequently get the question "Why is the universe {whatever}?" or "In order to support human life, the universe had to be {whatever}."

    This is frequently used to support the idea of divine intervention.

    If you ask such a question or make such an observation, you have to remember:

    The fact that we are here to observe it greatly restricts the possibilities, so what seems like "long odds" isn't long odds after all.

    To put it another way:
    If you play in the Superbowl and win, and your friends congratulate you, you don't say "What are the odds of my friends congratulating me for winning the Superbowl? There are 300,000,000 million Americans and only a few dozen have friends who congratulated them for winning the 2007 Super Bowl. That is rare, this is proof of divine intervention in my life."

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  12. Alien language by isomeme · · Score: 4, Funny
    Each shard would then subsequently growing into a whole new universe.

    ...with its own new laws of physics and grammar.

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  13. The paper by Ambitwistor · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the work being referred to may be in this paper, in which the universes are "causal patches" which are disconnected from each other causally by the Big Rip.

  14. Engrish? by Bryansix · · Score: 3, Funny

    Each shard would then subsequently growing into a whole new universe.
    Is this some newfangled way to form a sentence I have not heard of before?
  15. Re:Mystery by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Intelligent Design is not as good a theory as any, as you say, unless you think theory means "gosh all this science is hard stuff! Let's throw up our hands in reverent awe and say that some unknowable entity poofed us into existence. Alright, time for lunch."

  16. Well-ordered? by g_adams27 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    > The model could solve the mystery of why our early universe was surprisingly well ordered.

    Not really - you've just pushed the problem back one level. Where did the well-ordered universe shards that made this universe come from? It can't be "turtles all the way down"

  17. Depends on what your definition of a universe is by Progman3K · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you define a different universe as being physically distinct from ours, then yes;
    If parts of our universe started out in the same singularity as us but are now outside of our light-cone, then they are in effect physically separate from us, so that places them in a different universe, doesn't it? If they are outside our light-cone, and can no longer affect us, then they are not in our universe anymore but since they still exist, I think you have to consider them as being in a different universe.
    Of course it means they have to be outside of our entire universe's light-cone...

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  18. Re:Universe[s]??? by stratjakt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Because physicists dont look shit up on WordNet.

    The word delegate means different things to a security guard at the UN, and a C# programmer.

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  19. Re:as is says in prophecy... by Pojut · · Score: 3, Interesting

    See, that's why I like the Torah.

    It was originally written in hebrew. Guess what? It's still read in hebrew.

    I may not follow the jewish religion spiritually or even traditionally...but I still feel we have the holy text that is closest to what how it was originally written...

    That doesn't explain why using electricity on shabbat is considered work but walking five miles because you aren't supposed to drive is NOT considered work. Fuck that.

  20. Re:for the future! by locokamil · · Score: 5, Funny

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  21. Re:It is sad that physics has been taken over by h by Einstein45 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I see no problem with a fourth dimension expanding relative to the three spatial dimensions.

    Here's how we can define it:

    "The fourth dimension is expanding rleative to the three spatial dimensions."

    What laws or axioms or postulates has the above statement violated?

    None that I can see.

    What the author seems to be saying is that time is an emergent property of this underlying physical reality, which they then use to unify seemingly disparate physical phenomena.

    "The fourth dimension is expanding rleative to the three spatial dimensions."

    This would explain why everything propagates through space-time at the velocity c--this never changes.