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$25M Bounty Offered for Global Warming Fix

SaDan writes "Richard Branson is offering $25M as a bounty for a fix to global warming. The person or organization that can devise a method to remove at least a billion tons of carbon dioxide a year from the atmosphere will be able to claim the bounty. There are a few catches, of course. There can't be any negative impact on the environment, and the payment will come in chunks. A 5 million dollar payout will be paid when the system is put into place with the remainder of the bounty to be paid after 10 years of continuous use."

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  1. Plant Respiration by gbulmash · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How much carbon dioxide does a single tree consume in a year of respiration and how many trees could be planted for $25 million?

    Either that or find a way to build large scale air scrubbers that simulate plant respiration (stripping the carbon atom off a CO2 molecule and releasing O2), then compress the pure carbon into bricks for use in industry. If it could be done cheaply enough it might not just be eco-friendly, but profitable as well, with the $25 million payment as a bonus.

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    1. Re:Plant Respiration by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Trees alone won't solve the problem for the same reason they aren't solving the problem now: people keep cutting them down.

      We cannot possible reserve all of the arable land necessary to plant enough trees to scrub the carbon dioxide we are throwing into the atmosphere, because we need that land for other purposes. As the human population continues to grow, the need for developed land increases. This trend is not likely to reverse itself.

      A carbon scrubbing solution that would actually be workable would have to take up much less space than trees would to produce the same result.

    2. Re:Plant Respiration by PFI_Optix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      One word:

      algae.

      It's been suggested that some of our simplest consumers of CO2 are also the most efficient. A modified algae that would flourish in parts of the ocean where it is sparse today would tie up a lot of lose carbon and ultimately send it sinking to the bottom of the ocean.

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    3. Re:Plant Respiration by anthony_dipierro · · Score: 4, Insightful

      C'mon, $25 million is nothing compared to something like global warming. If global warming could really be solved for $25 million someone would have done it by now. Al Gore spent more than $25 million on his presidential campaign. You think maybe he would have gotten more publicity if he instead chose to spend the money solving global warming? The petroleum industry probably spends way more than $25 million a year lobbying against Kyoto. Surely if they could make Kyoto moot by solving the problem of global warming they'd do that instead. There are probably single beachfront homes that are worth $25 million. If the problem could be solved that cheaply, surely one of those homeowners would have made it happen. There are hundreds of billionaires in the United States. $25 million would be a drop in the bucket to solve one of the biggest problems of our lifetime.

      $25 million, to solve global warming, is a joke.

    4. Re:Plant Respiration by drix · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Or we could just plant fewer humans...

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    5. Re:Plant Respiration by skelly33 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But you think $10M was enough to put Scaled Composites' Spaceship One into LEO? It's a token offering to inspire the imagination. Don't knock a generous and genuine offer just because you have not been inspired.

  2. only a billion tons/year? by dotmax · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why, that's just ~32 tons of CO2 per second. Piece of cake.

  3. Easy but hard. by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Carbon sequestration is relatively easy. Plant more trees, create artificial algae blooms...Anything green and growing will take in a lot of carbon. There have been studies recently dealing with certain types of pine trees that even suggest that the trees are growing faster in the higher CO2 environment we're making for them, which suggests that natural processes will step up to take advantage of the carbon rich environment.

    The problem is, all these solutions are geologically short term, and they're not as space-efficient as say, coal. Forests catch fire, algae blooms sink to the bottom (which is good) but are bad bad bad for the water ecosystem in which they're created, and everything else gets used and processed.

    Basically, we're screwed on a quick fix until someone bio-engineers us some quick growing trees that sequester so much carbon that they're shiny. The best solution is to reduce our output of carbon, and allow the carbon cycle to re-balance itself.

    In the meantime, if you're wondering whether to take up snow skiing or water skiing, might want to go water.

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  4. Re:Mother Nature by drinkypoo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    After all, I'm sure that a human can take care of the earth better than Mother Nature can.

    Mother nature's solution to global warming operates on a geologic timescale and will not help us. In fact since if we leave the situation unchecked things will get worse before they get better, the earth will probably demonstrate its lack of use for us in the meantime.

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  5. I'm sure we could by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But it would require energy. The whole reason hydrocarbons are a good source of energy is precisely because the C + O2 -> CO2 reaction gives off energy. So to make it go the other way, you need input energy. Plants get it from the sun, where would we get it from. Then, of course, assuming you have a source the question is why not just cut the middle man and use that source directly?

    1. Re:I'm sure we could by jo42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Beg to differ.

      It is NOT a political problem. It is a Greed problem.

      Tell Exxon Mobil it can't make over $35 billion a year in profit.

      Humanity is screwing up the plant. To avoid messing it up to the point where we can't exist on it anymore will require that we fundamentally change the way we live and work. Good luck in making that happen.

    2. Re:I'm sure we could by Grishnakh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Please point to any instance in the last 50 years or so in which the USA was actually being seriously threatened by another country.

      Let me go through all the wars since WWII (which I concede was a serious threat):

      1) Korea. No threat there.

      2) Vietnam. Definitely no threat there either; some VC with AK-47s weren't going to come over on boats and invade the US.

      At least for these you can make some kind of case for the mentality people had during the Cold War, which is now long since over. That brings us to...

      3) Iraq. No threat there either, unless you're one of the few idiots left who still believe Saddam had WMD and was going to use them against the US. (No, a few canisters of ancient chemical gas which was far beyond its useful lifespan doesn't count.)

      As for "last couple centuries", no one's debating the necessity of WWII, or whether the Civil War should have been fought, or the Phillipines War, or whatever. That's ancient history; what's important is the wars being fought right now or in the recent past.

  6. No impact on the environment? by Pollux · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The person or organization that can devise a method to remove at least a billion tons of carbon dioxide a year from the atmosphere will be able to claim the bounty. There are a few catches, of course. There can't be any negative impact on the environment.

    That's like asking a baker to take all that unhealthy fat out of a doughnut, but not have it have any impact on the taste. It would be foolish of Branson to think that you can make a dramatic change to the chemical makeup of our atmosphere, but not have any "negative" consequences. Plants need CO2, so removing it from the atmosphere might harm plant life. Temperatures will decrease (probably), and I'm sure that there's at least some species of wildlife that's now thriving with the warmer temperatures. Wind paterns will change. Climate patterns will change. To expect absolutely no "negative impact" on the environment is foolhardy.

  7. How about just running out of oil? by viking80 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Running out of oil will do this quite effectively, and that will happen within not too many years.

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    1. Re:How about just running out of oil? by Software · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Oil will never run out, it will just become more and more expensive. As the price increases, people will find replacements or do without. But there's no guarantee that the replacement technologies will give off less CO2 (think of coal).

  8. Re:Irony of it all by Mr.+Sketch · · Score: 5, Insightful
    True, but he launched Virgin Fuels to research alternative fuels:

    http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=2862 259

    FTA:

    Branson, whose business interests include Virgin Atlantic airline and Virgin Trains, rejected charges that it was hypocritical for him to sponsor the prize. He reiterated a commitment made in September to invest $3 billion toward fighting global warming, saying he would commit all profits from his travel companies over the next 10 years.

    As part of that pledge, he launched a new Virgin Fuels business, which is to invest up to $400 million in green energy projects over the next three years.
  9. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Hydro never lived up to the hype. Dams silt up, dams ruin rivers, and, aside from a few really good spots, dams don't generate enough power.

    If we went to fission with waste reprocessing, we could be in good shape...It'll provide more power and vastly reduce the amount of waste produced. We could even reprocess the waste we have now. The paranoia over radiation is so overblown, and has been hyped for so long that people just sort of accept that all nuclear power is going to lead to three eyed fish and crap like that.

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  10. Re:Yawn, Eco-Nazi talking about spending money... by puppetman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    4) Eat the environmentalists; less SUV use, less air travel, less hot air, less sewage. Yuck!

    By SUV, I assume you are implying that they get poor gas mileage, and therefore produce more greenhouse gases. Not all do, of course. That said, someone who drives a Yukon is a hypocrite if they claim to be an environmentalist.

    6) End Socialism. Economic prosperity will allow people to adjust to the changing climate better. More socialism is more death and misery.

    The US, one of the least socialist countries in the world (I saw a picture of a cardboard shanty town in Florida earlier this week that definitely made me think of death and misery) produces a huge amount of greenhouse gas (per person).

    Developing communist countries do as well, but compare the CO2 production per person from the US to China shows that capitalism generates more (using your logic). Canada is more socialist than the US, and Canadians generate more greenhouse gas than Americans do. Is it because of socialism? No, it's because it's colder and not as densely populated.

    The western industrial democracies are quite capitalist, and we generate per-person more greenhouse gases than many of the poorer, "socialist" countries. Making more like us will make solve the problem? If we are relatively so much wealthier, then why aren't we willing to clean up our act, seeing as you claim the willingness to fix the problem seems to be related to wealth?

    7) "repeal" Kyoto protocols. They don't work, they are counter productive, they will cause more global warming.

    The US did not sign Kyoto. George Bush did not believe in global warming, so he reneged on the agreement made by Clinton to sign the protocol.

    Eco-Nazi talking about spending money

    It's his money. You are a big fan of capitalism, and he's a capitalist (that's how he made his money). Who are you to criticize how he spends it? That sounds very socialist to me.

  11. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by Broken+scope · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You know... if there was a large industry for getting rid of nuclear waste... someone would find a way to do it quickly, safely, and cheaply just so they can be a rich bastard off of it.

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  12. Re:Ok but that brings me back to the 2nd question by bendodge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nuclear power is statistically safer than conventional. I guarantee there were more accidents last year per kilowatt for conventional power than nuclear. (Airplanes are also statistically safer than cars.) The big problem is that terrorists have successfully terrorized people on the subjects.

    Chernobyl was using a design US engineers had rejected as unsafe, and the Three Mile Island disaster wasn't. It was a successful test of nuclear safety measures.

    As for nuclear waste, why not recycle it? R-r-recycle it! *gasp* But that produces weapons-grade material! Right, so put it in a missile! The best defense is a good offense (think Reagen's Cold-War successes). And then there is hardly anything left over! (And is nuclear waste worse than huge strip mines?)

    The only real obstacle to nuclear power is public terror.

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