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Open Source Phone on the Way
prostoalex writes "Dr. Dobb's Journal reports on GPE Palmtop Environment's aim to create a full stack of open source software for mobile phones. Mobile operator Orange and France Telecom are contributing to the project. The goal is to have a fully featured mobile handset with applications like instant messaging and email, with only a portion of the price."
closed, but open source.
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In five years when the hardware costs 38cents for these there is no doubt that vendors will avoid paying a hefty fee for the software or they won't be able to compete. I just hope Google gets around to building free wireless internet. Kids will not know what a phone is in 10 years.
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Call me old fashioned, but when I read the title Open Source Phone on the Way, I immediately thought of one of these and thought, "What's to open source? There are plans all over the internet already."
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I'm curious - would it be possible to tweak something like this to do end-to-end encryption? (To make sure certain government agencies with three letter acronyms aren't listening in). Something like fast symmetric key encryption, using Diffie-Hellman key exchange?
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It's only "Open source mobile phone software".
...check the dupe.
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Good, because I'm running out of things to run Linux on around here!
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Yes, but does it run Linux? (Sorry guys..had to be said)
(I rescind that... its not really incorrect... I'd say awkward
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With a nice piece of hardware like the iPhone this project could be 'toyed' with in many ways. Then again, it may not matter.
And let's not forget that an open source project many not be the first choice for a top-dollar piece of hardware.
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i.e. who just happens to run a company competing with some company in some powerful senators state.
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This looks like a good thing, but I've noticed that there are several different similar efforts out there. There's Maemo for the Nokia tablets, OpenMoko for the Neo1973 (which is the closest I've seen to what I want in a phone), the Motorola Linux stuff, and this. I'm sure there will be some cross-pollination, but this seems like something that a consortium of phone makers or maybe Google could really push along quickly. How? Either by providing build servers which would build executables for the target environments, or providing emulators. Yeah, it's going to be hard to emulate the actual telecom functionality, but I think a majority of applications for these devices will not use those.
The reason I mentioned Google is that I believe they're doing something similar already, though a quick search didn't turn up what I remembered. IBM, Intel, or OSDN might be other good candidates.
Or are these different platforms using such different APIs for things like graphics toolkits that I'm smoking crack here?
http://openmoko.com/
does it run Linux?
Where is this free beer everyone on Slashdot keeps talking about?
Excellent! Now we just need an open source iPhone!
Just because they're using open source code and even give you whatever
source they have to give you, doesn't mean the device is "open" as in
you can change any binaries or config settings, add or remove software
etc. All the GPL forces them to do is to publish their source code
modifications / additions where it applies. It doesn't force them to
deliver the binaries on a device that allows modification of that code.
For me IM, email, has nothing to do on a phone. I want a phone to make phone calls, that's all. This device will be at the same time too big for a phone annd too small for a device with hand entry and screen to read.
the fact that it uses free software is irrelevant. But it is the big trend with some free software projects (gnome, GPE being some of them) to just copy, add no innovation but just say "hey we're free". A free copy of a bad idea will still be a bad idea.
Only five, that's quite an improvement...
You can use mikey, RFC3830, implemented by minisip (www.minisip.org)
No other device on earth cries out to let people imrpove the heck out of it like phones do.
The only question I have is, would carriers really let a truly open source phone onto thier networks?
I'm also wondering what relation this might have (if any) with that Linux Greenphone...
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The GPE project is no exception. They are predated by about a couple of years by OpenEZX . It appears to have been around since 2005.
GPE might be bringing more applications to the party. And more P.R.. But they just aren't the first.
Oh, and this article is basically a dup of the previous announcement: http://linux.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/02/05/ 130208.
Granted, this is a reposting from Dr. Dobbs. But it's basically the same info.
Last year, it was Trolltech. And as you note, it isn't fully open. Furthermore, it's closed in arguably the most critical fashion. Namely, the device driver. Unfortunately, Trolltech selected a Broadcom chip. And if you've ever worked with Broadcom, this is a very bad sign. Their software quality sucks big time. So there are probably buffer overflows and other problems in the driver which just won't ever get fixed.
Then there have been the Java phones that have been touting BS about being an "Open Source" phone (one of them actually won an award a year ago as an "Open Source" phone at JavaOne). The only thing Open Source is the application layer, not the OS or the low level hardware. But again, each of them issues a Press Release proclaiming to be the first Open Source phone, and the media gobbles it up.
I've forgotten the other claims. But every 6-12 months, there's yet another group and another announcement.
So, yes, this is a lot of hoopla. And IMHO, it's a discredit to the GPE group to be making this noise. They should be honest if they want credibility.
But IMHO, this is all yesterday's news. The most interesting thing currently going on is the Open Source Software and HARDWARE effort being done by The Homebrew Mobile Phone Club . The effort here is to release everything, including schematics, so that anyone can use COTS parts to build their own cellphone, from scratch.
But regardless of who was first, it is very nice to see all of these efforts going into finally opening up the cell phone market. This is a far cry from where things were 5 years ago.
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that would be interesting to build.
and it would give current gsm hardware manufacturers an incentive to improve the security of their current implementations.
willem
Opensource is about to kill many technologies in near future. Now why would you have real mobile phone a pay for calls, when most of your friends (in future) are having computer with this...
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Looks like we already have something -- currently doesn't have as much as the iPhone, but it's hackable and it's slightly cheaper (though this may be due to coming without a contract).
That would make me the third person to mention this so far. I have to say, I want one, but the lack of WiFi and EDGE is annoying, at the least. Space limitations may also be an issue. So, what I really want is the next version...
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Apparently Slashdot's "plain old text" now actively strips out HTML tags? Bad Slashdot. Bad.
I meant to say something like: "Looks like we already have something...."
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France Telecom has been branding its internet and mobile product with ORANGE since they bought this mobile carrier a few years ago. I'm glad they support OSS, but that doesn't look like them. France telecom has a king size record at screwing its own customers and doing whatever it takes to prevent competition on the ISP market. They got sued and had to pay huge fines. It's probably like in every other big company with smart, nice R&D people and evil marketing forces wasting everything.
But in the mobile phone industry, isn't everything patented up so tight that by the time the patents expire, nobody is using the technology anymore? For example, all AMPS (analog) networks will have moved to D-AMPS ("TDMA"), and all IS-95 ("CDMA One") networks will have moved to IS-2000 ("CDMA2000"). And isn't adoption of new mobile phone hardware, at least in North America, dictated by how well the holders of exclusive FCC licenses can lock down its capabilities?
if there is a wireless inteternet connection in range, then use that if not then use a traditional wirless provider. Also, it should be easy to load software onto a cell phone, ie.. a removable card. I don't like being locked into a vendor for reliance for software on these handheld devices, ie.. there has got to be a way for my linux box to communicate with the handheld cellphone.
The link you gave for the Homebrew Mobile Phone Club is broken, but here's a working one.
It'll take a bit of work to assemble everything relevant to cell phones, but we've got a tool that shows which patents are expired or abandoned. Here is a list of expired or abandoned cell phone patents we've got as a starter and will add to it as we go. Some aren't that great, think of it as a 'bargain bin'. :P
I agree that cell phones have many possibilities and we should use the patent system as an advantage for this.
The French money is new since this other post, but no great changes have happened with this project has changed since then. Hardware support includes a number of phones at this time, but none that I have or would prefer to buy and it seems some popular phones are out of reach.
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html
http://www.openmoko.com/press/index.html#pictures
which is a truly open platform based on all GPL'd software.
The first hardware using OpenMoko, the Neo1973 Smartphone by Taiwan's FIC, will be available to the public soon.
http://planet.openmoko.org/
Walter.
Yes, hbmobile.org is the correct link. Thank you for correcting my bad cut-n-paste.
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OpenMoko falls into the same class as EZX; GPL'd software on a tightly closed hardware platform. Some of the Openmoko developers are actually under an NDA(!), which raises questions on its own.
Regardless, it falls into the same category as the GP said; another Open Source effort, and not a first.
While I agree that OpenMoko is a good effort, please provide correct information next time.
That's why these groups are using COTS technology. The manufacturers of the chips have already licensed any needed patents.
Besides, no serious effort is targetting *DMA. The problem there is that those carriers want the applications locked down so that they can charge a lot more money for a lot less deliverables.
All new innovation is being done with GSM. This is an open worldwide standard.
The U.S. carriers who don't provide GSM are about to lose out on all the techical innovations currently underway. Anyone who knows about the first-mover advantage when new innovation takes understands quite well what the results will be. In short, a widely expanded (and more profitable) GSM market.
In 10 years time, the locked-down and locked-out *DMA technology will be shunted off to the side, trying very hard to play catch-up. And losing, because they just don't understand what open innovation is all about.
... not enough that the iPhone is not Open Source at all, but also
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Apple, you old copycat?
Wow - you just have absolutely no idea of what you're talking about. But you seem to have a rather hardline opinioned view of these matters.
First of all, the "brick" you refer to isn't even an alpha version yet. The current plans of the SVMHPC are to reduce this in size to a normal phone. They are working on the case design right now, and have CAD STL files that they are making. It costs them about $10 per case (see techshop.ws), so it's quite cheap to prototype.
As far as the BGA and soldering goes, again, they are using existing suppliers of these boards. One is already in production, and another has signed up for a different GSM chip (Gumstix, if you want to know). And there will be others.
But, with the BOM and other published items, any fool can take that to a contract manufacturer and have them build it. You do know that there are online Contract manufacturers who will do this, don't you?
Finally, regarding the Carriers, these efforts are all GSM based. As long as you don't screw with the IMEI number, and don't screw with the network, they don't know and don't care. All they care about is making money. And, since the Homebrew club is using certified GSM chips, there's no way to mess with the IMEI number or to mess up the network.
I suppose one can come up with lots and lots of reasons why this won't happen. Or you can get off of your butt and help make it a reality. Other people are already making this happen. Whether you're a part of it, or just a fudknocker, is up to you.
I was going to post a joke about running Openoffice on my cellphone.
Come to think, I'm running it on a Pentium 166Mhz with 128MB RAM (yes, I'm not joking). Upgrade? Hah! I'm on the government (not in the US). It's that machine or a pencil. And yes, we have money. We just aren't allowed to spend it. Next time you say who uses still this or that so old machine, remember there must be someone in a poor underfunded government dept. using a 486.
Installing Linux is not an option, because there's a lot of in-house made, Windows-based legacy in the way...
So, yes, I really want to use Openoffice on my cellphone -- and a secure way to put it on my intranet...