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Asteroid Highlighted as Impact Threat

Maggie McKee writes "The asteroid Apophis has been traversing the void of space for untold years; in just a few decades time it will make a very close pass to Earth, and could make an unwelcome stop on our planet's surface. Even still, it's nothing to get too worked up about. The 20-million-tonne object has a 1 in 45,000 chance of hitting the Pacific Ocean in early April of 2036. If it did hit, it could trigger a tsunami that would do an untold amount of damage to the California coastline and many other places on Earth. Despite the low level of the threat, it's still a real enough danger to prompt the United Nations to develop a protocol about the scenario. We'll get a closeup look at the object in 2029, and at that point we should have a better idea of what 2036 will bring us."

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  1. Call Bruce Willis by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    We have some drilling to do!

    1. Re:Call Bruce Willis by sconeu · · Score: 5, Funny

      No, it's Apophis, so we call Jack O'Neill. Those darned Goa'uld!

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    2. Re:Call Bruce Willis by jfclavette · · Score: 5, Funny

      Talk about missing the point. In a few decades Bruce Willis might be DEAD ! Where does that leave us ?

  2. great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If we determined in 2029 that it was going to hit in 2036, our governments probably wouldn't be able to get their shit together quickly enough to do anything.

    1. Re:great by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

      Look at the bright side: we won't need to fix the Unix date overflow ;-)

  3. No Worries by blantonl · · Score: 5, Funny

    untold amount of damage to the California coastline

    Cancel that request... nothing to be worried about... nothing to see here. Move along folks..

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  4. leaving nothing but a cool, beautiful serenity... by Rhesusmonkey · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...called Arizona Bay

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  5. Re:1 in 45,000 chance by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny

    My wife plays the lottery, my bets are on total annihilation before she wins....

  6. Thanks by mustafap · · Score: 5, Funny

    >We'll get a closeup look at the object in 2029, and at that point we should have a better idea of what 2036 will bring us."

    I'll stick a reminder in outlook.

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  7. The new protocol point by point.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. set up an alert system:
      >>(green, no asteroid)
      >>(yellow, the asteroid MIGHT be near the earth)
      >>(orange, be careful when answering your door, IT MIGHT BE THE ASTEROID!)
      >>(red, we're already dead from the impact)

    2. earmark government funds to buy swimsuits and surfboards for all californians

    3. have congressional prayer sessions thanking the intelligent designer for wiping out the seat of all vice

    4. only give recovery funds to predominently white areas.

    5. Invade iraq in retaliation.

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  8. Ah, Wikipedia's dry humor. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Funny
    By far the best part of that article:

    Using a (signed) 64-bit value introduces a new wraparound date in about 290 billion years, on Sunday, December 4, 292,277,026,596. However, this problem is not widely regarded as a pressing issue.
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    1. Re:Ah, Wikipedia's dry humor. by smaddox · · Score: 4, Funny

      This will, however effect my plans of building a cryogenic chamber to freeze myself until they year 5,000,000,000,000. I would hate for the subtraction to overflow, and wake up in the year 707,722,973,404 BC. Actually, come to think of it, it would be interesting to see the universe before it was actually created.

  9. Re:Strange write-up by skewer · · Score: 5, Funny

    How can you know where it would hit (Pacific Ocean) but not the exact date (only "early April of 2036")? It seems that the Heisenberg uncertainty principle applies to astronomy too.
  10. Get me a Rickenbacker guitar by SamSim · · Score: 4, Funny

    And a gigantic iron to stand on.

  11. improbability by mpoloks · · Score: 4, Funny

    The 20-million-tonne object has a 1 in 45,000 chance of hitting the Pacific Ocean... which if you look at the numbers it's the area code of a small town where i met this incredible girl! how improbable...
  12. Re:The Pacific by Chmcginn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Figuring out the exact speed of an asteroid, relative to us, is apparently a tad easier than figuring out its exact course. According to the data we have, the possible path of the asteriod is a cone.... the earth is inside that cone currently. Earth takes up about 1/45,000th of that cone, specifically. We know when it will get here, if it does get here, with a good degree of accuracy. And we know what direction it would be coming from. So that rules out it landing in, say, Cuba - it would be coming from the wrong direction to hit there at the time of impact.

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  13. Palermo Technical Scale by evanbd · · Score: 4, Informative

    This asteroid has a Palermo Technical Scale risk assessment of -2.52.

    The PTS relates the impact risk to the background risk in a logarithmic way -- that is, the probability of Apophis hitting us is 0.003 times the probability that we will be struck by some other asteroid of equal or larger size first. Or, put another way, yes we should be worried about asteroid impacts, and yes we should keep watching Apophis, but it's not (by our understanding) a big cause to go and panic.

    That said, Apophis is the second highest ranked asteroid we know about by the PTS, behind 2007 CA19 at -0.91 (potential impact in 2012). And if it gets the people with the budgets to start considering the problem, that's a good thing. Right now, though, it would seem that our best use of money is to spend more effort looking for asteroids -- so far, the number we find appears to be fairly well correlated to how hard we look, suggesting that we have found a very, very small fraction of the NEOs out there.

  14. 2007 CA19 by crontabminusell · · Score: 5, Informative

    The object 2007 CA19 has a better chance (as of right now) of hitting the Earth than 99942 Apophis (2004 MN4) does. The former is also about four times larger than the latter and would have more than double the velocity at impact if it were to hit.

    1. Re:2007 CA19 by GunFodder · · Score: 4, Informative

      No it doesn't. Here are the hit probabilities from your links:

      CA-19: 1 in 714,000 chance
      Apophis: 1 in 45,000 chance

      I'm assuming the risk factor for CA-19 is higher because it is larger and its projected impact date is closer, which gives us greater confidence in its projected path.

  15. Never Fear, Space Garbage is Here! by TheSuperlative · · Score: 4, Funny

    Don't worry, if it comes, by then our protective shield of space debris will destroy it before it can enter the atmosphere.

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  16. Priorities by BobSutan · · Score: 4, Insightful

    http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N17363374 .htm

    To put this into perspective you have roughly a 1 in 80,000 chance of dying from an act of terrorism, almost twice the odds that this thing will strike the Earth. Now think about that. The odds of this think hitting the PLANET is greater than any 1 person being killed by a terrorist. Now look back at how much time and money has been spent on combating those that use terrorism to accomplish their goals.

    Think about it where our priorities should be.

    For reference, Meteor Crater in Arizona, which is about a mile wide and 500 feet deep, was created by a ~66' wide meteor. Apophis is ~450' wide. If another meteor the size of the one from Arizona were to hit a city, which is twice as likely to happen than a terrorist strike, it'd be akin to a nuclear detonation. If something the size of Apophis should strike the earth, well, say goodbye to whatever county (or small state) it lands in.

    http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/mystery_mond ay_040412.html

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  17. Re:The Pacific by purfledspruce · · Score: 5, Informative
    Actually, the uncertainty mostly isn't due to error in position; it's due to the fact that, when we observe a NEO, it's a point of light in the sky. We really don't know how far away it is. If it's near to the Earth and Sun, it moves more quickly; if it's farther away, it moves more slowly. If you remember that things move in circles or ellipses around the Sun, then you might get the idea that the uncertainty "ellipse" (due to a small error in position left-right, but a very large error in depth) due to the different orbital velocities, it "stretches out" over time, wrapping the ellipse's major axis around the Sun until it's basically a straight line.

    There's a fantastic animation of this process at Spaceguard's site, just scroll down to the second animation.

  18. Re:1 in 45,000 chance by DeadChobi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What this says is that every so often something terrible like an asteroid smacking us does happen. What that means is that if the odds are high that this one will hit us, we should actually focus on planning for it like we do with all the other natural disasters instead of ignoring it because it rarely happens. That's like calling nature's bluff, and nature is quite often a very mean poker player. If we have a chance to save lives in a few decades, why not start planning now? It's not wasted energy when someone's life is involved. We already plan for lifesaving in floods, earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, et. al.. Just add "giant tsunami triggered by an asteroid impact wiping the California coastline clean" to your list.

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  19. Re:1 in 45,000 chance by pixelguru · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There are no written accounts, as far as I know, of a meteorite causing significant numbers of human casualties, either through an impact or through a tsunami induced by impact.

    Every society on earth has a great flood story woven into their mythology, and many stories of fire and light from "the heavens." Just because they didn't call it a meteorite doesn't mean it didn't happen.

    The Tunguska event had the uncanny luck of happening over land and in one of the world's least populated areas. What are the odds of THAT happening again?

  20. Re:1 in 45,000 chance by AJWM · · Score: 4, Informative

    One of them is to look at history- written history, archaeology, and geology. There are no written accounts, as far as I know, of a meteorite causing significant numbers of human casualties, either through an impact or through a tsunami induced by impact.

    Well, the dinosaurs would have left written accounts, but they were all dead.

    More seriously, we do have historical record of even minor meteor showers causing casualties, the biggest reportedly in Chiing-yang, China in 1490, in an apparent Tunguska-like event, killing a possible "tens of thousands". Mostly its onesies and twosies, though. Tunguska itself, detonating in the middle of nowhere, Sibera, injured the 20 people who were within 50 km of the blast, and killed two. Thousands of reindeer were killed.

    Should Apophis (or something that size) hit Earth, the energy release would be about 10 to 20 times that of the Tunguska or Arizona impacts (those were in the 10-20 megaton range), and about 2 or 3 times that of the Krakatoa explosion. Since 3/4 of the planet is water-covered, odds are that most large impacts hit water and cause damage through the result tsunamis. (And yes, we get a few in the several-kiloton range each year - mostly in the middle of nowhere - as has been documented by surveillance satellites.)

    Sure, Apophis is no Dinosaur Killer, but it could cause quite a mess depending on if and where it hits.

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