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Ballmer Repeats Threats Against Linux

daria42 writes "Steve Ballmer has reissued Microsoft's patent threat against Linux, warning open-source vendors that they must respect his company's intellectual property. In a no-nonsense presentation to New York financial analysts last week, Microsoft's chief executive said the company's partnership with Novell, which it signed in November 2006, "demonstrated clearly the value of intellectual property, even in the open-source world.""

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  1. I do not get this by Reverse+Gear · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wonder how Balmer thinks that they are going to sue something that no one owns, that no one made.

    Is he going to sue anyone who uses this?
    Is he going to sue those who hoste the code?

    From the article it seems it is mostly the Linux vendors that Ballmer wants to target.

    The US is, as far as I know, the only country that has implented all these sick software patent laws until now, how are they going to sue a UK based company?

    With the current state of things the worst that could happen is that companies stop using Linux in the US, I don't see how they want to sue anyone based in Europe?
    Would the US government then start supporting Microsoft in trade wars?

    This whole software patent thing is beyond my understanding, I wonder if anyone out there really get the idea behind this?

    1. Re:I do not get this by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's another name for this technique: "protection money". You don't actually need a reason to request such money, you just need to be strong enough.

    2. Re:I do not get this by robyannetta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'd love to read Steve Jobs' reply to the "BSD is dying" argument.

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    3. Re:I do not get this by Aptgetupdate · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's taken you 10 years to get your system the way you like it? Is this a Gentoo installation?

    4. Re:I do not get this by Yvanhoe · · Score: 5, Interesting

      And, it looks like the EU is starting to move the same direction as the USA with respect to IP laws, so don't think you Europians will get a "walk" on this.

      We fought it, it finished by a draw but we will keep on fighting. Currently we are in a gray situation : software patents are forbidden but the European Patent Office deliver software patents on a daily basis. It is illegal but there are no institution to slap it and make it stop. So many companies own European Software patents, hoping they will one day have a legal value. I am not aware of one actually used in trial ...

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    5. Re:I do not get this by linvir · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ballmer isn't borg enough. The thing with Gates is that he's always been at least a little bit about the technology, hence the borg icon. Ballmer doesn't know his intertubes from his whatchamadoodads. His special ability is vague legal threats and his starter weapon is an office chair.

      If he was interesting enough to nerds to deserve an icon, which he isn't, it'd probably have to be something to do with one of the following:

      • Monkeys
      • Chairs
      • Developers
      • Developers
      • Developers
      • Developers
      • Developers
      • Vaporware Patent Lawsuits
    6. Re:I do not get this by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's no reason to wait years to do it.

      Yes, let's play Global Thermonuclear War.

      One reason that Microsoft doesn't start suing Linux vendors and users is that there are so many trivial software patents around owned by numerous other industry players that they might very well launch a devastating attack on Microsoft. I'm sure that if IBM put effort into it, it could find that Microsoft is violating 1,000 of its patents. And Microsoft would find that IBM is violating 300 of its patents. And the other players launch off their missiles. Industry-wide disaster ensues.

      The only winning move is not to play.

  2. Details, Ballmer or it ain't so by RichMan · · Score: 5, Insightful

    IBM is still digging into SCO's near corpse to find the detials of SCO's accusations. Which were, are and for ever more shall be totally bogus.

    Ballmer needs to stop saying "they stole our IP" and start citing versions, files, lines and patent numbers. Otherwise Microsoft looks like a bigger SCO. And that is not a pretty picture for a company like Microsoft intends itself to be.

    1. Re:Details, Ballmer or it ain't so by jeevesbond · · Score: 5, Informative

      IBM is still digging into SCO's near corpse to find the detials of SCO's accusations. Which were, are and for ever more shall be totally bogus.

      The difference between the two cases is SCO claimed copyright infringement whereas Microsoft is claiming patent infringement (I believe).

      Software patents are so much more vague than copyright, so there's a good chance some of the GNU/Linux operating system is infringing. Remember the study that found 283 possible software patent infringements in the Linux kernel alone? I would be suprised if some of those didn't belong to Microsoft (and that was 2004, there are probably more now).

      This public sabre-rattling is not without basis. Seems to me that Microsoft are keeping the specifics under wraps, then threatening companies with them in private. Remember what ex-Novell employee said in this interview? Here's a reminder:

      I mean I have had people come up to me and essentially off the record admit that they had been threatened by Microsoft and had got patent cross license and had essentially taken out a license for Microsoft patents on the free software that they were using, which they then cannot redistribute.

      It's also funny you should mention this:

      Otherwise Microsoft looks like a bigger SCO.

      Some people (including this respected legal blogger--at the bottom of that article) believe Microsoft funded and put SCO up to its anti-GNU/Linux FUD litigation. So, really they are a bigger SCO!

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  3. Whatever by TheWoozle · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To: Steve Ballmer

    Dear sir,

    Either file suit against the parties infringing on your precious IP, or SHUT THE FUCK UP.

    Sincerely,
    Everyone

    P.S. - Vista blows donkey balls.

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  4. Ballmer == Eric Cartman? by jeevesbond · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does anyone remember that South Park episode where Cartman became a cop?

    Just think of Ballmer with those aviator sunglasses on (that had the reflection of mountains in the background) shouting: 'You will respect my intellectual propertayyyyy!!!'

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  5. Mutually Assured Destruciton by Orange+Crush · · Score: 5, Funny

    I somehow doubt Microsoft would be foolish enough to actually fire off patent suits . . . especially when there are other big players with massive patent portfolios and a vested interest in Linux . . .

    Secretary: "Mr. Ballmer, I have a group of IBM attorneys in the lobby asking to see you, shall I let them in?"

    Ballmer: "My God Man! Do they want to settle my patent suit against Linux?"

    Secretary: "I'm not sure what they want sir . . . but they brought a flag.

  6. The Next Thing You Know.... by Snowcap557 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linus Torvalds will come home and find the head of a penguin in his bed.

  7. How long ago was it? by kosh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How long ago was it that Microsoft was complaining that the better product should prevail due to competition and not through litigation in the courts?

    Seems that they are now changing their tune... I'm not surprised...

  8. Nice to hear by hallie_ball · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It is very nice to hear Mr Ballmer yelling (cursing) this way, it means he is affraid for open source, open source is making more revenue then Mr ballmer wants.

    So guys keep on the good work, when Mr Ballmer is yelling like a fool, the work is very good.

    Thank you developers for this nice moment.

  9. On Ballmers Computer by shirizaki · · Score: 5, Funny

    You are reissuing empty threat against Open Source. (Cancel/Allow)?

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  10. Sabre rattling by slofstra · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This sabre rattling against Linux has potential adverse effects for the entire economy, if Microsoft is able to push Windows into every corner. Windows is just terrible in certain situations, such as ATMs and aruably, pocket PCs and handheld devices. Perhaps the government should be looking into anti-trust; we need to see competition in the market place for operating systems.

  11. Didn't IBM pledge to let LINUX use their Patents? by RalphSouth · · Score: 5, Interesting

    IBM has a big stake in LINUX continuing as it is. A relatively large percentage of their big mainframes are sold with LINUX running on them. The reason for having a large number of patents is to have the leverage to negotiate mutual use agreements. Balmer and MS will cause trouble by forcing some sort of mutual use agreement while spreading fear and doubt in the potential users of LINUX.

    MS has got to be feeling some pressure with lack luster VISTA success. They have huge amounts of cash; but, the business analysts have to be wondering how long it will last if their cash cows start to under produce. When stocks sell at large multiples of their earnings the price is set by confidence that the company's earnings will increase at a steady rate. If confidence in the company's ability should fail, MS would be very disrupted. It hasn't happened yet; but, they have to allay the fears of people who recommend stocks.

  12. Why is a lawsuit war a disaster? by Livius · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the bloated corporations abusing intellectual property law started suing each other into bankrupcy, the downside would be... what, exactly?

    1. Re:Why is a lawsuit war a disaster? by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Funny

      The downside? I'm pretty sure it would lead to a CSI: Intellectual Property, and nobody wants that.

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