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Microsoft Apologizes for Serving Malware

dark_15 writes "Microsoft has apologized for serving malware via its websites and Windows Live Messenger software. APC reader Jackie Murphy reported the problem: 'With Microsoft launching Vista along with their Defender software to protect users from viruses and spyware, it seems therefore to be an oxymoron that they have started to putting paid changing banner advertisements for malware, on the popular MSN groups servers.'"

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  1. Say what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Started to putting?

    Does anyone proofread anything anymore?

    1. Re:Say what? by basic0 · · Score: 3, Funny

      What are you is talking about? Of course nto!

  2. SystemDoctor 2006?? by Intron · · Score: 5, Funny

    What fool would be taken in by this?

    Personally, I'm downloading SystemDoctor 2007.

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    1. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by texaport · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "4 out of 5 dentists surveyed, recommend sugarless gum for patients who chew gum"
      really meant that 20% of dentists wanted you chewing the stuff that rots your teeth ...

      If you polled system utilities firms, I'm not sure whether they WANT you to buy Vista,
      or run an old rotten O/S that turned AV from a cottage industry to a major profit center.

    2. Re:SystemDoctor 2006?? by BrokenHalo · · Score: 5, Funny

      5 dentists isn't a very large sample group anyway...

      OK, how about this:

      35% of all road accidents are caused by drunk drivers. Therefore, 65% must be caused by sober drivers. Therefore, you're safer driving drunk than sober. :-P

  3. In Soviet Russia... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 4, Funny

    ISR, Microsoft serves malware to ... uh... you serve malware to microsoft!

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    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just imagine a beowulf cluster of MS Malware. Oh, wait...I just described Vista.

      I kid, I kid.

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    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Considering the amount of malware coming out of former Soviet Russia countries, that even holds true after the fall of the communism.

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    3. Re:In Soviet Russia... by curecollector · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Microsoft serves you to malware.

  4. No Conspiracy But Still Stupid by govtpiggy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    SystemDoctor2006 has made an appearance over the past few days, coming complete with pop-up windows to trap and then cause horrific damage to the computers of unaware users -- causing them to then rush out to purchase Microsoft Defender?
    The implication from the article that Microsoft is trying to infect your system so you "buy" the free to download Microsoft Defender is ridiculous.

    Regardless, this is a really stupid oversight on Microsoft's part. Reminds me of the p2plawsuits.com thing. Shouldn't a person knowledgeable about ads be approving these beforehand (at least in Microsoft's case)?
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  5. Just one question ... by spellraiser · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if this were true, how does proliferating malware on Windows hurt Google?

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  6. Re:Slashdot is the worst malware by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's much worse than that. Each time you click a link, somewhere, a server dies.

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  7. System Doctor by mdboyd · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Malware or Malpractice?

    1. Re:System Doctor by Opportunist · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Maybe just malice.

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  8. We are also very sorry for... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... building an "OS" that allows anyone else who wants to place malware on your computer the ability to do it without your knowledge. Please click "OK" if you would like to accept this Apoligy.

  9. Re:Motive? by Brian+Gordon · · Score: 2, Informative

    Which is free to download by the way.

  10. Windows.Vista malware by atomic777 · · Score: 5, Funny
    Name: Windows.Vista

    Risk Impact: High
    Systems Potentially Affected: All PCs

    Behavior:
    Windows.vista is malware that gobbles up all resources on a machine and renders it unusable. Suggested solution is to visit the following malware cleansing site : http://fedora.redhat.com/

    1. Re:Windows.Vista malware by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Funny

      Spreading behaviour: Disguises as an operating system and lures people into installing it.
      Known side effects: Steals personal data, installs backdoors, downloads code from the internet, has the ability to infect further files to prevent their use on different PCs.
      Protection: None
      Removal: Install a clean OS.

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  11. Re:Please choose one by Damastus+the+WizLiz · · Score: 3, Informative

    Its not even an oxymoron. An oxymoron is two words put together with opposet meanings, like: Dodge Ram, Bitter Sweet, or Windows Stability. The correct term here would be hypocricy.

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  12. In other News by ehaggis · · Score: 4, Funny

    Gator apologized for advertising Windows Vista. "Obviously this sort of malware slipped through our screening process, " they quipped.

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  13. Re:Intriguing. by HerrEkberg · · Score: 4, Funny

    Just stop injecting medkits you find lying around in some random alley and you will be fine.

  14. Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by dpbsmith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Symantec says "SystemDoctor is a Security Risk that may give exaggerated reports of threats on the computer. The program then prompts the user to purchase a registered version of the software in order to remove the reported threats."

    I completed the unpleasant task of helping my wife get started with a new HP computer, preloaded with Windows XP Home and a plethora of shovelware. We spent hours watching dialogs pop up suggesting that we download this, register that, and update the other.

    Practically the first thing that happened was that Norton Internet Security popped up a huge scary dialog warning us that we hadn't turned it on. The next thing was a huge scary dialog saying that it had found a security risk in her system. The problem it had found was that it apparently ships with no virus definitions at all, and required about twenty minutes over broadband to download and install some seventeen thousand of them. The next thing was a huge scary dialog saying that we needed to register with Symantec (presumably so that it can give us a huge scary warning at the end of the free 60-day trial).

    The next thing was a huge scary warning that we needed to turn off Windows Firewall, which to Microsoft's credit is apparently preinstalled turned on and functioning, so that we could use Norton Internet Security's firewall instead.

    The next thing was a huge scary warning that we had attempted to change Internet Explorer's home page from an AOL signup offer to my wife's existing "my Yahoo" page.

    Every time she launched an application a little yellow flag would rise up from the taskbar to tell her that Norton Internet Security noticed that she had launched an application.

    And from time to time it puts up a message box with no apparent purpose other than to tell her that Norton Internet Security is running properly. "Exaggerated reports of threats on the computer?" "Prompts the user to purchase a registered version of the software in order to remove the reported threats?" To be fair, although it did prompt her to register, I don't believe it will prompt her for a purchase until the end of the sixty days.

    But the thing is the most intrusive, obnoxious, offensive piece of crap I've ever seen. It makes Clippy look adorable by comparison.

    Presumably she needs more than just an antivirus program (ClamAV). If anyone has any recommendations on a well-behaved, friendly security program for Windows XP that isn't in your face all the time, I'd love to hear it.

    P. S. The reason we bought a machine with XP is that my wife has been stalling on a much-needed upgrade for about three years now, and what she read about Vista was what convinced her that we needed to run out immediately while we could still get a machine preloaded with XP. Do you think she is being included in these statistics that show that Vista has boosted PC sales...

    1. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by Sefert · · Score: 3, Informative
      The corporate edition of Symantec AV is nice and quiet. I stay away from any 'security packages' type of products because they generally include total crap that is just alarmist and irritating. I'd take a hot poker in the hand before I'd have Norton Internet Security on my system. McAfee's is just as bad (in fact, often worse, as some web browsing problems still exist even when the a/v and firewall are off).

      I'm also a big fan of Kaspersky antivirus. It seems to only call your attention to something when it really needs it, and has intelligent things to say, rather than seeming to act like it's trying to justify being there. Stick to just A/V (that picks up spyware like Kaspersky does) and a little hardware firewall - it'll generally do the trick very nicely.

    2. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by PitaBred · · Score: 2, Informative

      I just had to remove that Norton shit from my aunt's computer because it would take 30-60 seconds to scan any MS Office document that was opened, when it was opened. Doesn't matter if it just scanned it, that it was on the local machine, and it didn't seem to even try to cache definitions in memory or anything. It just got the Word window border open, and "Scanning for viruses..." in the status bar for the next minute. I replaced it with the free version of AVG, and it started behaving like the brand new computer it was.

      For pretty decent security, I just recommend Firefox, AVG, and a bit of education on safe browsing habits, and which software is more likely to be safe to download/install, etc.

    3. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by StikyPad · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've found Kaspersky to be a resource hog. My personal favorite is NOD32. The interface takes some getting used to, but it works well, has all the features you'd expect without trying to sell you on a firewall/"internet security" suite. It scores among the best in hit % (typically 2nd, sometimest 1st), and it was the fastest scanner in several tests. They also have "bulk" discounts, which is great if you're running more than one system.

      Recent review here and when searching for reviews just now (never seen a bad one), I just discovered it's user rating blows away that of Kaspersky.. rightly so, IMHO. This is a nerd's AV if ever there was one.

    4. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by gardyloo · · Score: 2, Informative

      I would second the recommendation of Kaspersky (if you want to pay for an all-in-one system scanner and software firewall). If you want to go for the free stuff, Avast and AVG have both proven to be fine for me, along with a ZoneAlarm or Comodo firewall.

            The other poster in this thread level said that Kaspersky was a resource hog. I've never found that (except that big downloads on broadband can be made slower by Kaspersky doing its scanning during the download). Plus, its definitions are updated every couple of hours.

                I used to use Panda as an all-in-one program, and it worked fine, but it ate up far too much of my RAM.

    5. Re:Symantec on SystemDoctor: Pot, meet kettle... by sporkme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Symantec AV often lags behind in protection and definitions. The worst recent example that comes to mind is the spread of hacktool.rootkit (aka about a million things), which was implemented in countless malware releases. Symantec was AFAIK the only mainstream antivirus program that missed detecting it as it was installed. My flavors of choice are:
      AVG Free antivirus
      LavaSoft Adaware
      and Spybot Search and Destroy.

      Very little can get by this trifecta. When I suspect that a machine has received an infection that these three can't remove, I research the individual piece of malware on sites like CastleCops or I just Google it by process name.

      I also keep archives of RootKitRevealer, peperfix.exe and HijackThis.

  15. Tagging data missing? by Sefert · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Along with the useless 'haha' tag, doesn't some wank normally add a 'defectivebydesign' tag whenever Microsoft is mentioned?

    Too bad there's no flamebait moderation option for the twits who apply pointless tags.

  16. Re:Motive? by govtpiggy · · Score: 4, Informative

    Windows Defender is supported by XP and is a free download. You don't need to buy Vista to get or use it.

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  17. Re:Motive? by Mex · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You're giving them too much credit. This is a case of plain old stupidity.

  18. UserFriendly by VEGETA_GT · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reminds me of a UserFriendly comic

    http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20050130

  19. Re:Please choose one by RealSurreal · · Score: 2, Funny

    Maybe the article was dictated to a Windows machine.

    "Dear aunt, let's set so double the killer delete select all."

  20. Re:Motive? by petermgreen · · Score: 3, Informative

    and btw i've heared it works on 2K if you edit the installer file to make it let you.

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  21. Re:Please choose one by Nimey · · Score: 2, Funny

    Contrast to a tautology, such as "Slashdot-reading virgin".

    Cor, I'm getting nasty in my old age.

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  22. Message to managers by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Especially to those who always claim "You have to buy from a big company, that's better than free software where there is no company that you can hold responsible".

    Here's what you get: "Whoopsie. Sorry, our bad"

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  23. Re:Motive? by Phisbut · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're giving them too much credit. This is a case of plain old stupidity.

    Plus, their apology and recommendations aren't any less stupid. From TFA : Microsoft recommends customers follow our Protect your PC guidance at www.microsoft.com/protect.

    Let's have a look at their guidance: Protect your computer in 4 steps :

    Step 1. Keep your firewall turned on
    A firewall is useless in this situation. The user manually downloaded and executed a piece of software.

    Step 2. Keep your operating system up-to-date
    See step 1.

    Step 3. Use updated antivirus software
    That's exactly what the user is trying to do. The message lets the user believe he needs to use this software as a protection against viruses, spyware and whatnot. Plus, it's on a Microsoft.com page. You gotta trust Microsoft.

    Step 4. Use updated antispyware technology
    See step 3.

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  24. I don't run Microsoft Operating systems but... by JustNiz · · Score: 3, Interesting

    can anyone tell me if their ad blocking software prevents the user from blocking ads on Microsoft sites?

  25. Is a good start... by gmuslera · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hope soon we will see the "Microsoft Apologizes for Selling Malware" headline.

  26. Re:Motive? by db32 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Uhm...and why wouldn't they suggest that. Given that they are getting paid for the advertisement it stands to reason that every time a user get suckered in by it that MS makes money on the deal. Sure it makes them looks bad, but now they get to make their little apology speech, everything is A OK again, and they still got paid through the deal. People who like windows are few and far between these days, almost every average joe user I have dealt with despises them, but knows no other reasonable option. IT professionals are the only place that I have managed to find MS fanboys. I had a security "professional" tell me how MS ISA server is the best thing since sliced bread and everyone should be using it as their firewall and proxy solution (enterprise level). I was laughing so hard I could barely breath to ask about his opinion on Sidewinder SecureOS or Cisco Pix.

    Microsoft can do whatever wrong they want, because the populace believes there is no other choice to do what they need. The first OS that manages to be simple enough the average user can buy software off the shelf, install it, run it, and really have no flaming hoops of death to jump through, people will start leaving in droves. Linux isn't there yet, but it may get there some day. OSX I think may get there first if they solve the problem of the fear of learning a new interface and fears of software issues. Either way, once there is a viable competitor, I suspect the dynamic will shift very quickly.

    On a side note, can you imagine how far a virtual software store would go for the unfamiliar user would go for linux? Browse by needs like you would any other online vendor, pick what you want, and it installs click n run style through whatever you distro of choice's methods are (well at least major distros, getting all the fringe ones would make for a monumental undertaking, but fringe distros are typically for those in the know anyways). I have been using linux for years and I still find myself stumbling across amazing packages I didn't know existed.

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  27. Re:THANKS for the helpful replies. by thejynxed · · Score: 2, Informative

    It doesn't play nice with uninstallation at all.

    Even after uninstalling, you need to download and use a special cleaning tool to get rid of all of the files and registry entries that piece of crap software leaves behind.

    http://service1.symantec.com/SUPPORT/tsgeninfo.nsf /docid/2005033108162039/ (Skip all of the instructions for reinstallation of Norton, just run the tool.)

    Alternatively, get it here:
    http://www.majorgeeks.com/Norton_Removal_Tool_SymN RT_d4749.html

    Uninstalling Norton has been known to hose systems, so be careful (make backups, etc) before attempting to uninstall. And make sure you run the tool :)

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  28. Re:Please choose one by Darby · · Score: 2, Funny


    Cor, I'm getting nasty in my old age.


    You're that old and still a virgin? No wonder you're cranky ;-)

  29. Re:Slashdot is the worst malware by DavidTC · · Score: 2, Funny

    That's a known Mozilla bug. Instead of crashing when clicking on a link, the browser attempts to open the URL listed in the href of the A tag, and will actually do so if the server is reachable and returns a page.

    This is technically correct according to HTTP and HTML specifications, but unexpected behavior with users used to IE's 'crash feature'. As a workaround, instead of clicking on a link, you can press Alt+F4 or click on the X in the upper-right corner of the browser window, which will close your browser window.

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  30. Serving malware? Nothing new ... by ScrewMaster · · Score: 2, Insightful

    they've been serving up Windows Genuine Advantage for some time now.

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