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New Details on Xerox Inkless Printer

Iddo Genuth writes "Xerox is developing a new printing technology which does not require ink of any kind. The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times and has the potential to revolutionize printing. New details on this upcoming technology, which was first reported in September 2006, are now revealed."

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  2. Fantastic by dbolger · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are very few stories on Slashdot (or, for that matter, anywhere), that actually make me say "wow", but this is definitely one. I work in an office where I have to use the printer a lot, but rarely for anything long term - printing a customer's emailed comments to show a manager who doesn't have our Kana email software in place etc. That's a tremendous waste of paper, as in most cases, the paper is crumpled up and in the (sometimes recycling, but usually not) bin within minutes of printing. If that paper was reusable to this extent, our paper usage would drop to a fraction of its current rate - saving us money and helping the environment in the process. You don't get much better than that :)

    1. Re:Fantastic by batkiwi · · Score: 4, Informative

      1. Not every organization gives every employee a PDA or laptop, so taking notes/emails to meetings requires printing them out.

      2. Unless you use software like OneNote (and have a laptop) it can be much more convenient to print out an email and "doodle" notes onto it.

    2. Re:Fantastic by dbolger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      One major reason is that out mail server (over which I have no control), can take a long time to deliver mail, even internally. If I need to show a manager a report with information they need, I print it out so that I can go to them with it in my hand, rather than sending it to them, then walking over to wait an indeterminate length of time until they get it. In other cases, I would be dealing with people who were not even at a computer, but would still need the information. I don't think its wise to call things retarded just because you can't immediately see how they work.

    3. Re:Fantastic by UncleTogie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Let me get this straight....A /. geek is recommending that you not back up your hard drive to another medium? Whether WORM, MO, paper, {insert your fave medium here}, "important email messages" SHOULD be backed up. It's either that or a bunk hard drive means your data has been lost, found, lost again, and finally buried in soft peat for three months before getting recycled as firelighters.

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    4. Re:Fantastic by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When I was working in the video game industry, Microsoft would release the new standards for the Xbox. Everyone who worked on an Xbox title would print the damn thing out. It wouldn't be unusual to go through three or four cases per printing cycle. It got less of a problem when the standards got updated less frequently. Re-usuable paper would work great in this environment.

    5. Re:Fantastic by RagingHAL · · Score: 3, Funny

      Our organization recommends that one print out the e-mail to scan it into our document management system (EMC Documentum). Your tax dollars at work!

    6. Re:Fantastic by Sam+Ritchie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I agree, although I have to also say that improving mail server performance is probably a lot cheaper, quicker & more realistic than waiting for an exotic printer to hit the market.

      I have a mental image of almost every retarded manager in my organisation going "Excellent, some piece of technology that can magically make my problem go away without me expending any effort to try and actually solve it."

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    7. Re:Fantastic by gbobeck · · Score: 2, Funny

      Why don't you just forward the e-mail to your manager?

      Hey, he could have an Amish manager, you insensitive English clod!
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    8. Re:Fantastic by rolfwind · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This will probably be the minority opinion, but I find the whole idea dead on arrival because, while the concept is cool, just isn't practical in the less organized offices.

      Namely, after one printing, how will you regather the paper in a nice stack, not crumpled, creased, or otherwise used looking besides the printing in an economical manner? I wouldn't count on people being nice and turning the paper back in pristine condition.

      This stuff seems to be only for inner office use, and for very organized ones at that.

      Me? I couldn't keep track of all that - too much hassle.

      I still see e-paper being a much more efficient and exciting solution. Now that readers come out that have excellent storage (no problem with flash memory these days) in a portable format (.pdf, etc) at a good size (8.5x11 inches please) with wireless, at under $100 please. Except for the size perhaps and the price, all of these requirements are easily solved now, and the other two will be coming.

      Color would be nice, but optional for now.

      I don't see how e-paper won't dominate. In one thing the size of a thin legal pad, you could have all your papers, be able to search them and back them up to other media, and not have to go look for it and gather it up, hope it is in perfect condition, and put it in a printer like this stuff.

      If I were really reaching, I would ask this, why can't it be laminated somehow, put in a legal pad size enclosure that contains a miniature "print head" (scanner type light) and have it become the next epaper, but alas in color? That seems feasible, skips the entire idea of a blocky printer somewhere (the ink is only light right? no need for a huge printer, I think) and has the all benefits of e-paper without the drawbacks of a printed sheet.

    9. Re:Fantastic by SkaOMatic · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Tektronix/Xerox solid ink machines do a fantastic job. Print quality is excellent, and ink replacement a snap. The lack of plastic involved is great news for landfills.

      I do have to admit though, I really enjoy harassing my business partner about the solid ink. I refer to the blocks as "crayons" just because it drives him nuts. One time after he complained about ordering ink, I bought him a box of Crayolas. He was not pleased. I, of course, was. :D:D:D

    10. Re:Fantastic by kfg · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Excellent, some piece of technology that can magically make my problem go away without me expending any effort to try and actually solve it."

      That's how we ended up with all these fucking computers in the first place.

      KFG

    11. Re:Fantastic by arodland · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This "inkless printing" tech isn't valuable for making a printout you can doodle on, unless they can make a matching "inkless pen". Otherwise you erase the sheet for reuse and the "blank" paper still has your notes on it.

  3. as seen on... by User+956 · · Score: 2, Informative

    This same type of tech is being integrated into cameras, by a company called zink. It's just like the old polaroid days.

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    1. Re:as seen on... by User+956 · · Score: 2, Funny

      The question is: is this paper going to be like a Polaroid? Sure it's convenient, but I'll take a bit of a hassle to make sure my materials are still there when I or my estate's executor or my children need to get at them; that my relics will remain.

      Then get an Epson photo printer. The prints are scratch/moisture resistant, and fade resistant for 200 years, or so they say. (I guess we'll find out in 200 years)

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  4. Good news, bad news by edwardpickman · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Doesn't need ink but it does cost $1 a sheet for the paper. Only half joking. If they keep the cost down to 2X or 3X the cost of standard paper it'd be extremely interesting. The problem has been they virtually give away printers then soak you for the ink. I find it hard to believe the printers would be a compriable price and the paper will be even cost to the price of even expensive paper. No more clogged ink jets would be a huge improvement on it's own. I've blown through $30 in ink trying to clear the a clogged ink cartridge.

    1. Re:Good news, bad news by tomhudson · · Score: 3, Informative

      "No more clogged ink jets would be a huge improvement on it's own. I've blown through $30 in ink trying to clear the a clogged ink cartridge."

      Why would you do that when laser printers are well under $100.00 and color lasers are under $200.00?

  5. This will never work. by miroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    An inkless printer will never be a viable profit-generating product unless it costs many, many thousands of dollars. Printer manufacturers make most of their money from consumables, and a printer which requires no consumables (even the paper is resuable) will never make it to market.

    1. Re:This will never work. by Paisley+Phrog · · Score: 2

      You're thinking in terms of very, very low-end consumer grade printers. This is the sort of thing that will appeal to business-class users, where copiers/printers are charged per per sheet (click), on top of a lease/usage contract. (Toner is usually provided free of charge in such contracts, anyway..it's built into the click charge.)

  6. Next up... by rob1980 · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wireless wire, cordless power strips.

  7. Can't see this working in the real world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How many of you have tried to conserve paper by manually duplexing on a low-end printer (at home say) and found that just flipping the page over carefully is enough to cause the paper to jam.

    How are Xerox planning on coping with dog-earing, tearing, scuffing and otherwise deformed paper?

  8. No cost for ink!!! by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem is the paper costs $45.95 per sheet quits working if it get's treated like a normal piece of paper.

    I see Proud IT managers showing off this new tech and then screaming in pain as the Director of sales grabs it folds it in half and staples it.

    If they get the cost of the paper to only 2x the cost of normal paper they may MAY have a chance. but right now laser printers and cheap copy paper is incredibly cheap.

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  9. I can hardly wait! by Dunbal · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As if the $2000 per gallon of ink wasn't enough, now we'll have $300 sheets of paper...

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    1. Re:I can hardly wait! by sa1lnr · · Score: 2, Funny

      "now we'll have $300 sheets of paper..."

      Yep, we are going to get reamed on that.

  10. dupe of sorts by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Funny

    I seem to recall reading an article like this on Slashdot back in '42. Xerox patented this technology called "dry printing" (xeros graphos in Greek) that didn't use ink, but a material known as "toner".

    (Yes, I do hate it when people refer to toner and ink interchangeably as "ink"; why do you ask?)

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  11. Here's the patent. by zymano · · Score: 4, Informative
  12. Article text by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Xerox Inkless Printer
    Written by Iddo Genuth Thursday, 15 February 2007

    Xerox is developing a new printing technology which does not require ink of any kind. The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times and has the potential to revolutionize printing. Although the technology is still in the early stages of development, it has the potential to cut printing costs and reduce office paper usage dramatically. New details on this upcoming technology are revealed here for the first time.

    The dream of the paperless office

    One of the earliest articles discussing the topic of the paperless office was "the Office of the Future" published in the June 1975 issue of Business Week. The idea, bandied about many times since, was the elimination of most or all paper which has been piling around in our offices in the last several decades.
    The personal computer revolution of the 1980s brought with it the hope of the paperless office as there was a shift from the old-fashioned typewriters to viewing and editing documents on computer screens. But this dream vanished quickly as people realized that their monochromatic cathode ray tube (CRT) displays were uncomfortable to watch for long periods of time. Aggravating the problem was the introduction of the low-cost office printer, capable of making dozens of copies of each document (an ability which was limited until that time to large and expensive photocopying machines).
    Book on an LCD-difficult to read Book on an LCD-difficult to read
    As years passed by it seemed that the introduction of the personal computer not only did not reduce the amount of paper produced in our offices, it actually increased it.
    The widespread adoption of liquid crystal display (LCD) technology in recent years made some people hopeful again for at least some reduction in office paper production, but although LCD might be somewhat more comfortable to watch than the older CRT screens, most people still find it difficult to read long documents on the computer screen; and in most cases anything above one or two pages will get printed at least once.
    The old/new hope of electronic paper

    In the 1970s, Xeroxs Palo Alto Research Center (PARC) was a powerhouse of innovation. Many aspects of what we now see as the modern computer, namely the mouse, the laser printer, the Ethernet, GUI, computer-generated color graphics, as well as a number of important computer languages, were invented at PARC around that time. The development of the Gyricon, which was nearly lost among all those important breakthroughs, was originally invented in 1974 by PARC employee Nicholas K. Sheridon as a new display technology for the company ALTO personal computer. Eventually, the Gyricon (a Greek term meaning rotating image) turned out to be the basis for modern e-paper technology.

    Electronic paper (e-paper) is the name given to several distinctly different technologies (to be covered in depth by a forthcoming TFOT article) which are capable of displaying text, images and in the case of some e-paper technologies, video, on a thin (occasionally flexible) sheet of plastic. In many respects e-paper is more similar to a digital display than to paper. E-paper displays can change the image at a press of a button, store countless articles or books and can even be made interactive allowing a user to add content, search and perform other operations. The important advantage of e-paper over conventional screen technology is its readability. Unlike conventional screen technology, e-paper doesn't emit light on its own; rather, it uses the ambient light to reflect the text just like ordinary paper. E-paper has the potential to eliminate paper usage in future offices but it remains to be seen whether it will be successful where so many previous technologies have failed.
    Commercial e-paper technology is finally starting to appear on the market but it will take seve

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  14. and who will employ the squid? by abes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think this is a great idea. Except for the fact that I almost only print things out so I can write on them. If I didn't need to write on the paper, I probably would just read it from the screen. Occasionally I'll print out a map or a list to take with me, but then it gets put in my pocket and ultimately ends up torn, scrunched, and not so reusable.

    So while I'm sure the Earth applauds this invention, I'm not quite sure for whom or understand what circumstances its useful. I also wonder how resusability is there. They claim 50 reprints, but I wonder if the image quality is as good by the 20th time as the first. Also, it apparently fades within a day.

    It's not that I think the technology is useless, just limited.

  15. So what? by Thezez · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm wearing fabricless underwear

  16. Re:won't happen. by tomhudson · · Score: 5, Funny

    It's going to save corporate america tons of money ...

    "The pages do degrade over time and currently can last between 16-24 hours before returning to their original blank form."

    1. ... they'll print your paychecks on it. Better cash them in quick!!!
    2. ... government lotteries will print their tickets on it - so even if you win, you're still a loser
    3. ... politicians will print their electoral platforms on it, so they'll never have to keep their promises (not that they do now)

    One real use would be newspapers - this way, instead of "buying" the news, you're just "renting" it.

  17. jamming by SuperBanana · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times and has the potential to revolutionize printing

    I spent several hellish months working at an advertising company with a boatload of medium-sized digital copiers, some b&w, some color. All were made by Xerox. Guess what they were doing, almost constantly? Jamming. Xerox liked to blame our paper, claiming it wasn't "consistent enough", and the magical solution was to buy Xerox paper. We refused, and simply pestered the shit out of their support people (fixed price support contract), calling them every time a printer started jamming regularly, if they were not on-site already to fix one of the other printers (they broke/crashed regularly.)

    How is this relevant, you wonder? Well, the first lesson with laser printers is to never re-use paper in any laser printer. The slightest dirt scratches the imaging drum, a crease or wrinkle causes a misfeed or jam, and so on; you don't want to know how much damage a single paper clip can cause in a 35-40ppm digital copier, either. Inkjets are fine in this regard, but the complex paper feeding mechanisms in laser printers/copiers don't really like anything but pristine paper. The slightest thing like, say, the rubber on pickup/feed rollers getting a little too hard with age or less sticky and....

    Oh, and the high-speed (20+PPM) printers have to slow down as the paper gets thicker. Dramatically. This fancy paper is probably thicker.

    If they can't build a printer that can handle "fresh out of the box" copier paper, how do they expect to be able to handle paper that's been even *slightly* used once, much less five times? Other problems: staples; people who want to write on pieces of paper; finger oil/coffee spills. Etc. Now you have to stock two kinds of paper, your printer has half the effective paper capacity since it now stores two types, and users have to decide on usage prior to printing ("do I want to save this for more than 16 hours? Do I want to write on it?"), have the proper drivers installed, etc. I had enough trouble getting people to print duplex to save paper- and most of the time, people didn't bother to set up the proper printer driver, or even call us to do so.

    PS:Despite the issues with newer (last 2-3 years) Xerox printers, where the profit seems to come from service contracts- if you have lots of little personal-sized printers, do yourself a favor and replace them with a MUCH smaller quantity of small/medium-size workgroup network printers. The supplies are cheaper per page and you'll have to stock fewer *kinds* of supplies as well, the supplies (like drums/toner cartridges) last longer, they're designed to be more serviceable, they're usually faster...and they're not built-to-a-price as badly as the "personal" units (HP 1100, anyone? :-)

    1. Re:jamming by drix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I love how the default reaction of /. to someone who thought of something that /. didn't is a mad rush to come up with some trivial, glaringly obvious nitpick that's primed to bring the whole house of cards tumbling down. As if Xerox simply put 700 monkeys in a gymnasium and somebody peeked in one morning to discover that they'd just happened to invent a new, revolutionary way to print things.

      I mean .. these people have PhDs for crying out loud. If Xerox designed a whole entire technology around reusable, reprintable paper, then something tells me they'd spend a little more time engineering the reuse part of the equation, no? So how relevant? Not very, I'd say. Yesterday's printers weren't built for it; sounds like tomorrow's may well be.

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  18. Coming soon... by jemenake · · Score: 5, Funny

    The new technology includes reusable paper which can be printed and erased dozens of times...
    Coming soon to your local office-supply store... 8.5x11 and A4 paper will now be labeled "8.5x11-R" and "A4-R" in preparation for the arrival of "8.5x11-RW" and "A4-RW". In a related story, Sony announced today their competing "8.5x11+RW" and "A4+RW" formats.
  19. Re:won't happen. by mabhatter654 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    the newspaper idea is kind of cool.... you only need a newspaper for 1 day anyway 90% end up in the recycle bin. If it didn't require ink to print (or minimal ink) then you could really beef up recycling by having newspaper "vending" machines. Put your old newspaper in + a quarter or fifty cents and get the latest copy. You could of course sell the paper for several dollars on a "new" page. The thing to do as well to change culture is to make the pages more resistant to wear than regular paper.. maybe have 45 degree corners or something (BSG reference!) also develop folios and tubes to store the paper in when not in use so it stays neat and fresh... back to a little old school engineering tubes and such. Actually scrolls would work really well. They would allow long prints of dozens of pages and have a built in storage device to keep the paper fresh.. that could be why we have 3000 year old scrolls but stacked paper books don't last nearly as long.


    I'm curious if this new paper can be copied or scanned without damage. The next remaining question is if we can get notebooks made of this stuff and a special pen for writing on it... there's already 2 types of tech for reading handwriting either the logitech/penfly "dot" paper and magic pen, or the magic notebook that follows your writing. The failure of both of those models is that you spend all your time writing on ACTUAL paper, put the data into digital, then have to buy more special paper... you gain nothing over a regular notebook... unless you had magic erasing paper... now it's a really cool idea!!!!

  20. Toys! by Diordna · · Score: 2, Interesting

    One could make a killing selling this paper with a sort of light pen and light eraser. Just like a pencil, but without the erasor shreddings.

  21. Re:It'll just be simple, 2 sheet of... by DragonTHC · · Score: 2, Interesting

    anyone ever use a thermal printer?

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  22. Does it allow use of a pen? by Mal-2 · · Score: 3, Informative

    It seems to me a two-wavelength laser pointer could serve as both "pen" and "eraser", so that you could mark up documents without damaging the paper. Many times I have to print a draft of a letter or presentation and run it by the executive, who will probably mark it up with handwritten corrections and send it back to me. They have every right to edit something they have to sign or say until they're happy with it, but it does waste a lot of paper. If I could substitute erasable paper for each proofing stage, it would probably cut out 2/3 or 3/4 of my paper use, but in order to do so, it needs to be human-writable and not just printable.

    Hopefully this erasable paper can be photocopied without making it fade. That would solve a lot of the problems caused by fading over time. If you find you want to keep something you wrote on erasable paper, just pop it in the copy machine and it's now on permanent paper.

    If Xerox does get it to work in color, it could be a great way to proof document formatting as well. There are things I just can't spot without actually printing a document, such as whether a shading makes text within it illegible. If the document is important enough for me to polish up and proof thoroughly, it's probably going to be in color. It doesn't have to be perfect color, just "business color".

    Mal-2

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  23. What's wrong with using normal paper? by TheLink · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This reusable paper has some uses but I think it's overrated. If I'm going to print something out it's usually so I can give someone a copy. I hardly ever print stuff out otherwise. You think I'm going to give 100 pages of expensive reusable paper to someone, just because they don't want to read the doc on screen, or I can't hand them the "electronic" version?

    What people should work on is a cheap (energy+resources), nontoxic and safe way of producing paper from renewable trees/plants.

    Then when you see people who are accumulating stacks of paper, you can thank them for helping to keep CO2 out of the air.

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  24. half tone or continuous tone? by P3NIS_CLEAVER · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The really significant thing would be if laser printers could create continuous tone images with this paper. This would be a huge breakthrough.

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