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When Were the Americas Populated?

evil agent passes along an article in Scientific American reporting that new radiocarbon dating techniques have cast doubt on the accepted story of how the Americas were populated. In the traditional view, "[M]igrants out of northeast Asia slipped into the Americas bearing finely shaped stone projectiles, so-called 'Clovis points,' after the town in New Mexico where they were first uncovered. This Clovis culture rapidly spread throughout the empty continents and by 1,000 years after their arrival had reached the southernmost tip of what is now South America, making them the original ancestors of indigenous Americans." The new dating of Clovis sites suggests that "Clovis" was not a people, but rather a technology. That is, a new and more efficient method of making arrowheads for hunting spread rapidly through a pre-existing population in both North and South America, over at most 350 years.

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  1. Everybody knows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    The Americas were populated by English pilgrims. That's why we have thanksgiving. Never mind about those damn injins.

    1. Re:Everybody knows by BakaHoushi · · Score: 4, Funny

      To paraphrase America: The Book:
      "Some people say that Columbus was not the first to discover America. They say that the vikings and Chinese had been to the Americas for at least a thousand years before Columbus. Others say you can't discover a continent that's already inhabited by an entire race of people. These people are communists. Columbus discovered America."

      So, since the continent was not officially "discovered" until about 500 years ago, we can say anyone there before that "doesn't count."

    2. Re:Everybody knows by ozbird · · Score: 2, Funny

      Measured by what metric?

      Yes; measuring in metric is the sign of all advanced cultures.

  2. With all the dishonesty in science... by gd23ka · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you follow the work of Michael Cremo you will learn that modern human skeletons
    have been found in strata deposited millions of years old and all over the world.

    http://www.mcremo.com/cremo.htm

    His book "Forbidden Archaeology" is a huge tome discussing hundreds of sites where
    anomalous findings challenge (rip apart) todays dogmas in the field and it is also
    an interesting read to see how the religion of western science preserves the purity
    of its creed :-)

    1. Re:With all the dishonesty in science... by MichaelSmith · · Score: 2, Funny

      If you follow the work of Michael Cremo you will learn that modern human skeletons have been found in strata deposited millions of years old and all over the world.

      Yeah in fact just down the road from here is a place where there are thousands of bodies buried in strata at least 10000 years old: about two metres down.

    2. Re:With all the dishonesty in science... by TapeCutter · · Score: 2, Funny

      "If you follow the work of Michael Cremo you will learn that modern human skeletons have been found in strata deposited millions of years old..."

      ...researchers also found a car tyre, a double bed matresses, and staggering 73,891 plastic bags. More news at 11:00.

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    3. Re:With all the dishonesty in science... by Nirvelli · · Score: 2, Funny

      What about Pangaea? I've always thought that it could've just all been populated, and then, as it split, there were people on all the different parts. Though, I invented that theory in like 2nd grade when I first learned about Pangaea, and if that were the case we would probably be finding skeletons in Antarctica or something. If we start finding frozen skeletons in Antarctica, I win.

    4. Re:With all the dishonesty in science... by CmdrGravy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Have you read Von Daniken ? I definitely recommend "The Chariots Of The Gods" since he also pretty much single handedly destroys the modern archaelogical conspiracy of silence surrounding the facts about how the Gods used their advanced space-faring technology to live amongst us across the globe until a series of unfortunate yet totally ( locally ) cataclsymic events removed most traces of their presence except for the few totally conclusive tell tale hints left strewn from Machu Pichu to the Egypt for dedicated super-archaelogists like Erik to uncover.

      Also Lyall Watson fights the good fight on a number of fronts against an array entrenched and protectionist theories espoused by not only archaeologists but also geologists, physicists and scienctific dogma in general.

      Hancock, is the new guy on the block but he is able to link all the good work undertaken by the likes of Von Daniken and Watson and prove that these space-faring super civilizations came from Orion and he can also prove not just the exact date but the exact second, minute, hour and day that they were all wiped out by the various utterly catastrophic yet strangely localised disasters which managed to wipe them out utterly so quickly they didn't even have time to jump back in their spaceships.

      Obviously they did have enough time to build a series of enigmatic and utterly conclusive monuments throughout the world to speak to future super-archaelogists such as Mr Hancock, Bauval, Daniken and Watson and tell of the terrible catastrophe they could see coming and how it would wipe them out utterly and how this caused them to gather every member of their super civilisation, complete with houses, buildings and strange alien flying machines directly over the catastrophe, disable their spaceships and entrust the vast learning and knowledge of their super-society to a few, scattered enigmatic encoded monuments.

      I can't wait for the next valiant defender of the true science to take up the torch and carry on where Hancock left off.

  3. Re:Modern humans... by marcello_dl · · Score: 4, Funny

    > [modern humans] have been around for 100's of thousands of years and they are not stupid.

    How do you explain "windows being the dominant OS (yet)", then? Just curious.

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  4. Patented by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I hope the guy thought of patenting his new arrowhead technology! Spread over 2 continents in less than 350 years! he must have made tons of cash or chicken heads, bear furs, or whatever :) Think the patent still holds ?

  5. What really happened with Clovis Point. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    There were people in America using different kinds of arrowheads fashioned from flint. Then, some 11000 years ago, near where Albuquerque, New Mexio would be, an arrowhead maker named Beak Doors created a kind of arrowheads for his company Microhard and aggressively promoted it. Many of his detractors claimed he was using illegal methods and that his arrowheads were not superior to other competitors. But Corporate tribals never learned to distinguish between true interoperability and Microhard compatibility. Microhard arrowheads eventually achieved vendor-lock in the tribal societies. That is how what we now call clovis points became ubiquitous in the Americas.

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    1. Re:What really happened with Clovis Point. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Just pointing out a couple of minor errors in your post...

      "Beak" Doors (real name Diana) named her arrowhead company _Mega_Hard after her most prominent feature.

      Interestingly, approx. 13,000 years later, an escapee from an an Albuquerque loonie (toons?) bin (who had to dig his own tunnel after his friend "Bugs" lost his way, but whiled his time away humming a merry melody), after failing to convince the Mounties to let him visit his "ant" in Vancouver, settled down in the Pacific NW and founded a company dedicated to his lost friend, and named it after his least prominent feature.

      Just thought I'd set the record straight...

  6. Re:Time to get over the 'land bridge' by gawdonblue · · Score: 2, Funny

    It was to get the jewels back. There were many hardships and we almost gave up when we lost Elenwe...

  7. Re:Modern humans... by tchdab1 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Evidence is emerging that use of clovis point technology was strictly limited to tribes and individuals who could pay periodic tribute to a cult of shamans located in the Pacific Northwest.

    Stela have been decoded showing a large and round-headed cult leader foaming at the mouth and shouting "Clovis! Clovis! Clovis", whipping the masses into a frenzy, and paying off spear-makers to keep them from making spears without clovis points.
    They further cemented their status by periodically introducing pointless "improvements" in the clovis point - first obsidian, then flint, then other differences, and via their network forcing hunters to use their clovis points or starve. The points also grew enormously in size over time.

    The technology's run came to an end as the points grew with each successive hunting season until the point was many times larger than the spear it was grafted onto, making it effectively worthless. The last clovis point technology, called "Clovis 9000 B.C.", took four men and an ox to launch at the wild turkey it was designed to bring down.

    Conflicting evidence from about the same time shows that much of this technology may have been preceded or even discovered by tribes located further south on the coast.

  8. Re:old news by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 2, Funny

    Yeah, still, they could've put all their cities in coinage and bought a shitload of phalanxes every couple of turns. I still think the Aztecs could have beat Cortez. Hell, even a few diplomats could have stolen the techs in a few turns after Cortez took his first city!

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