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Iran Launches Payload into Space

An anonymous reader writes "BBC is reporting that Iran has launched its first space rocket carrying a payload. Britain's former ambassador to Iran, Sir Richard Dalton, told the BBC that, if confirmed, such a move could destabilise the Middle East: "It is a matter of concern. Iran's potential nuclear military programme, combined with an advanced missile capability, would destabilise the region, and of course if there were a bomb that could be placed on the end of this missile, it would in breach of Iran's obligations under the non-proliferation treaty." From the article: Iranian TV broke the news of the reported test saying :"The first space rocket has been successfully launched into space. It quoted the head of Iran's aerospace research centre, Mohsen Bahrami, as saying that "the rocket was carrying material intended for research created by the ministries of science and defence". In 2005, Iran's Russian-made satellite was put into orbit by a Russian rocket. But shortly afterwards Iranian military officials said they were preparing a satellite launch vehicle of their own and last month, they announced they were ready to test it soon."

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  1. Re:So... by Bob+Gelumph · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why is this such a big deal?
    Why can't Iran do all the things that the U.S. do all the time?
    What is the problem with Iran investing in nuclear research and space technologies?
    The U.S. has said that they basically don't give a shit about international treaties about the militarisation of space, and all Iran has done is launch a satellite and this is some big event?
    The U.S. is still the only country to use a nuclear weapon on another country, so I'd highly recommend they stop their own "posturing" until they get some credibility.

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  2. I dunno... by FatSean · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably because Iran has supported coups in other nations...no...US does that too..

    Probably because Iran ignores the Geneva Conventions with regard to prisoners...no..US does that too...

    Probably because Iran makes veiled threats to use Nuclear weapons if diplomatic demands are not met...no...US does that too...

    I guess you're right!

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    1. Re:I dunno... by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Probably because Iran has openly stated its desire to wipe Israel off the map should it ever have the means to do so. I'm not a big fan of US foreign policy, but I don't recall them ever making such statements.

      Not to mention that Iran is widely known to fund and train terroristic organisations. Not the kind Bush scared everyone when he needed excuse for Iraq, but the real guys - Hezbollah, Hamas... how'd you feel about one or both of those getting an ICBM with a nuclear warhead at their disposal?

    2. Re:I dunno... by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Iran is very, very close to "the bomb", or may already have it. US military intelligence has the exact locations of numerous nuclear facilities, which is why the Stennis aircraft carrier group was just moved withing striking distance.

      And will these weapons of mass destruction actually be found this time ? Or is this just another lie to justify starting a war ? You know, the kind US used to justify attacking Iraq ? Maybe I'm too cynical, but I really don't think that US's claims about a country US has declared to be in the "Axis of Evil" are worth the paper they are written on.

      But of course Iran is likely to either have the bomb or be developing it in a desperate race against time; after all, it is pretty obvious they'll be invaded next and their only hope to prevent that is to get a nuclear deterrent. That's why no amount of financial or other kind of pressure will stop them: they either do it or they'll get conquered and decimated, it's a matter of survival.

      Yet another briliant strategic move from Bush, worthy of Paula herself. Let's see if the guy can actually start World War 3 before his term runs out. He's trying hard, at the very least...

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    3. Re:I dunno... by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 5, Informative

      I speak some Farsi. Would you like me to translate what he actually said?

      Firstly, the Farsi word for 'map' ("nagsheh") was never used. Nor was the word 'Isreal'. A more literal translation of one passage would be "Jerusalem must/will vanish from the pages of time".

      Another passage means: "The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world,". The difference between Isralies and Zionists is left as an excercise to the student. Hint: It's the same difference as between 'Americans' and 'Neo-Conservatives'.

      If you speak some Farsi, feel free to visit the original speech, and read it for yourself:

      http://www.president.ir/farsi/ahmadinejad/speeches /1384/aban-84/840804sahyonizm.htm

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    4. Re:I dunno... by Arker · · Score: 5, Insightful

      There's a really big difference between the two phrases. More than one, actually.

      "Israel" could refer to the entire state, or its citizens. It can be interpreted in genocidal terms. What was actually said, however, was the occupying regime - a very different thing.

      And for the verbal portion, "wipe off the map" is an English term that carries a rather violent connotation, again it can even imply genocide. The actual Farsi phrase used has no such connotation, it's more equivelent to the English phrase 'this too shall pass.'

      So the bad translation wasn't 'tomeytoe tomahtoe' as you try to paint it, and it wasn't just a bad translation either. It was deliberately misleading. Reading the 'translation' that's been plastered all over our media, you hear violent, possibly genocidal threats against a nation. Read the original, or a decent translation, instead, and what you find is merely disapproval of a particular government, and faith that justice will eventually prevail over it.

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  3. Re:So... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why can't Iran do all the things that the U.S. do all the time?

    Because the NPT, of which Iran is a signatory, puts different restrictions on different countries. To wit, the US, Britain, and the other original nuclear powers must work to reduce their nuclear weapons stockpiles (which they are doing), and every other signatory must not undertake to obtain nuclear weapons.

    What is the problem with Iran investing in nuclear research and space technologies?

    Nuclear (power) research - good
    space technology - good
    possible nuclear weapons research - bad.
    The IAEA and the UN are not satisfied as to Iran's intentions vis a vis nuclear weapons research.

    The U.S. has said...

    You do realize "U.S." does not appear anywhere in the article. This is a comment from a former British ambassador. If you look carefully, you may realize that no one else on the planet wants Iran to obtain nuclear weapons, not just the US.

  4. Here, let's look at international reaction by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    This isn't just about the "US". No one wants Iran to have this capability (except, of course, Iran). Of course, if anyone ever actually has to do anything about Iran, I'm sure everyone will conveniently forget. I'd say you'd be first in line to forget, but you can't forget something you never knew.

    You might want to read this. It's something that will be coming up again. The thing about UN resolutions is that there's only one kind that has teeth, and allows UN members to respond with force in the event of noncompliance. They're called Chapter VII UN Security Council resolutions. This is one of those resolutions. Everyone agreed.

    International Official Reaction to IAEA Report on Iran
    FEA20070223094786 - OSC Feature - International -- OSC Summary 23 Feb 07

    IAEA Board of Governors in Vienna (IAEA.org)

    On 22 February the International Atomic Energy Agency [IAEA] issued a report to the organization's 35-nation board of governors declaring Iran has failed to suspend its enrichment related activities. Full report

    This product compiles official global reaction to the IAEA's report monitored by OSC as of 1630 GMT on 23 February.

    IRAN

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinezhad:

    "If we show weakness in front of the enemies, their expectations will increase, but if we stand against them, because of our resistance, they will retreat." Full report

    "Fairness requires that those who want to conduct talks with us also close their fuel cycle programs" so "we can conduct a dialogue in a fair atmosphere." Full report

    Iranian Expediency Council chief Hashemi Rafsanjani:

    "They will not reach anywhere through this path . . . the only way is to stop this bullying and stop this preconditioning so that we can all sit at the negotiation table." Full report

    MIDDLE EAST

    Saudi Foreign Minister Saud al-Faisal:

    It is "too soon to adopt drastic measures. We continue to aspire to a peaceful solution." Full report

    RUSSIA

    Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov:

    Lavrov "intends to carefully study the report by the head of the IAEA Muhammad al-Baradi'i on Iran's nuclear dossier." Full report
    Russian Ambassador to the United Nations Vitaliy Churkin:

    The UNSC's goal should not be "to adopt a new resolution on Iran or introduce sanctions against Tehran, but a political regulation of the Iranian nuclear problem." Full report

    EUROPE

    French Foreign Minister Philippe Douste-Blazy:

    "We think that is now necessary to draft a new resolution, as quickly as possible, the six of us, the three Europeans, in particular, but also the Russians, the Chinese, and the Americans. It is necessary that this resolution go a little further than the one we already voted for unanimously on 23 December. It is only with unity and firmness on the part of the international community that we will create what is just beginning to stir in Iran today, namely a debate about the validity of President Ahmadinezhad's policy." Full report

    German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier:

    "What was confirmed today was to be expected, that Iran has failed to meet the expectations of the international community." Referring Iran to the UNSC is "one of the options" for handling the situation. Full report

    UK Foreign Secretary Margaret Beckett:

    "Iran has so far failed to take this positive path and comply with Security Council requirements . . . we will therefore work for the adoption of further Security Council measures, which will lead to the further isolation of Iran internationally . . . we remain determined to prevent Iran acquiring the means to develop nuclear weapons." Full report

    Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Angel:

    Iran must understand that "the international community is united and firm" on the nuclear issue and that "dialogue must continue . . . diplomacy is never finished." Full report

    ASIA

    Chinese Foreign Minister Li Zhaoxi

    1. Re:Here, let's look at international reaction by Solol · · Score: 5, Funny

      Please next time also include the full text of the UN Charter when you refer to it. It makes life a bit easier for those of us still using browsers without support for this new hyperlink thingy.

  5. Re: It was Iran.. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 5, Funny

    > TEHRAN (Fars News Agency)- After 7 long years of arduous work, Iranian scientists here on Saturday introduced a herbal medicine which cures Acquired Immune Deficiency Syndrome (AIDS).

    One could ask what they've been smoking, but I think the press release gives it away.

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  6. Re:In what is that a danger? by HateBreeder · · Score: 5, Informative
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  7. Iranian HIV prevention: better than cure ? by Sad+Adam · · Score: 5, Interesting

    AIDS in Iran is mainly caused by injecting drug use of heroin. Most of the heroin driving this injecting drug use comes from Afghanistan. The amount of heroin has been increasing dramatically since the US led invasion of Afghanistan in 2001. According to the UNODC, opiate production there increased by 60% in 2005-6 alone.

    Iran actually does have a far more liberal and effective system of HIV prevention that the US. Known Islamist sympathisers like the World Bank and Lancet recently wrote:

    "Several factors helped catalyze change and explain Iran's current progressive (HIV prevention) policies: (i) the important role NGOs and civil society played in advocacy and implementation of successful programs that reached vulnerable groups; (ii) the close cooperation and common understanding between the Ministry of Health, the prison department health authorities, and the judiciary authorities and other stakeholders, on drug treatment and HIV/AIDS, leading to increased government support for implementation of evidence-based harm reduction policies; and, (iii) informed advocacy among senior policy-makers paving the way for adoption of harm reduction measures in early 2000. A national harm reduction committee has been established with representatives from various ministries, academic centers and NGOs.

    Harm reduction programs are now implemented by both government and non-governmental facilities. A program recognized as a best practice, is the triangular clinic which integrates services for treatment and prevention of STIs, injecting drug use and HIV/AIDS.17 These clinics are set up in prisons and by NGOs to effectively reach IDU communities. A unique model for comprehensive harm reduction is being implemented by the Persepolis NGO. It provides needle exchange, methadone maintenance treatment, general medical care, and referral for voluntary counseling and testing. It runs drop in centers for street-based IDUs as part of a continuum of care, and services extend to the provision of food, clothes and other basic needs."

    (HIV/AIDS Prevention among Injecting Drug Users: Learning from Harm Reduction in Iran, World Bank 2006) http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTSAREGTOPHIVA IDS/Resources/LancetHarmReductionIran.pdf

    Google for harm reduction and HIV in the US. Judge for yourself where HIV prevention is more effective.

    I guess the lesson is this: there is active propaganda campaign being waged by the US and its allies against Iran at the moment. As in the case of the USSR, everything is being painted black. Laughing at "cures for AIDS" is part of this propaganda campaign.

    Judging by HIV prevention evidence at least, it is pretty clear where religious fundamentalist nutsos are doing the damage.

  8. Re:Iranian HIV prevention: better than cure ? by Sj0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember the history between Iran and the United States. About 50 years ago, the US went out and knocked out a 'too left' democratic government. About 25 years ago, the US gave weapons to Iraq to attack Iran, supporting a decade-long war. Today, Iran is supposedly next on the hitlist in the 'war on terror'.

    If I were Iranian, I'd be pissed off at the Americans too! I'd be sitting there going "They're out to get us! They're terrorists and fascists!" too! I'd be working on getting the only weapon in the world powerful enough to get the US to stay it's hand too!

    History: It doesn't repeat, but it does rhyme. If you refuse to learn about history, then you've got no foundation to build solid beliefs upon.

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