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Major Broadcasters Hit With $12M Payola Fine

Gr8Apes writes with a just-breaking AP story reporting that the FCC is wrapping up a settlement in which four major broadcast companies would pay the government $12.5 million and provide 8,400 half-hour segments of free airtime for independent record labels and local artists. The finish line is near after a 3-year investigation. An indie promoter is quoted: "It's absolutely the most historic agreement that the independent community has had with radio. Without a doubt, nothing else comes close."

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  1. What I want to know by overshoot · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... is how Clear Channel and the Big Five are going to neuter this so that they technically comply but don't mess up a good thing.

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    1. Re:What I want to know by bizitch · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Easy - they will give the indie labels plenty of air time ....

      Sunday morning around 2am-ish

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    2. Re:What I want to know by toleraen · · Score: 1

      From the sounds of it they just have to fund a college radio station for 25 weeks. The details of the 8400 segments are pretty lacking so far...just kind of sounds like they need to give them some radio waves. I'm betting radio isn't really going to change at all as a result of this.

    3. Re:What I want to know by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Nah, some people are still out then (that's not "Sunday morning;" that's still just late "Saturday night!"). Make it 5:30-6 AM Sunday morning, and you've got it about right.

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    4. Re:What I want to know by pfhlick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The FCC is just patting themselves on the back for letting the big four broadcasters off the hook and making a little cash as a sideline. It's a bunch of garbage. They will commit airtime to 'independent' acts, wait for some cream to rise and mine them as best they're able. People who listen to commercial music radio get exactly what they're asking for: 20 minutes of ads to 40 minutes of recycled singles from the 80s, 90s, and beyond! Radio will stay the same. The music industry has been aware for some time that the only way to get the common slob to keep buying the same rehashed "new sensation" garbage is to bribe the broadcasters to beam it directly into the cars that they're slavishly dependent upon. Radio stations will continue to broadcast feeds from 1,500 miles away on autopilot, 24 hours a day, with some fresh indie flavor thrown in for the rebellious young americans. They will continue to bombard you with ads for auto glass repair and continue to not serve the communities they're located in. Switch it off, it's a setup.

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    5. Re:What I want to know by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Probably right. The only indies will be the Sunday morning church music. That should cover their obligation.

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    6. Re:What I want to know by 517714 · · Score: 1

      How about, "We get paid to play this song." announced before each song - of course, the language would be slightly more obscure. It meets the FCC rules, and lets the radio station take payola. If one reads the article carefully, you will note that there is more posturing than substance in the FCC statements.

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    7. Re:What I want to know by Dachannien · · Score: 1

      8400 half-hour slots divided among dozens of radio stations and hundreds of days in the year amounts to practically never knowing when and where the broadcasters are going to play something other than the Mafiaa-dictated playlists.

    8. Re:What I want to know by flitty · · Score: 1

      P.S. A little OT, but the "leaked" NIN songs that are hitting the internets were found on jump drives in places where NIN was coming on Tour, and "rebel" stations are playing some of the songs early, "we'll show those record companies".

      Uh. Yeah. Right. You are totally independant.

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    9. Re:What I want to know by Ripley · · Score: 5, Funny

      Easy - they will give the indie labels plenty of air time .... Sunday morning around 2am-ish
      For example, Sunday March 11, 2007 from 1:59 AM to 3:01 AM.
    10. Re:What I want to know by Aqua_boy17 · · Score: 1

      Right. One hour each Sunday morning when there's a DST change from 2 to 3 am. Sounds like a fair deal to me. "Okay folks, let's settle in an listen to...Oops, looks like our time's done here for the Indie segment, now back to our regularly scheduled Clear Channel programming".

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    11. Re:What I want to know by Goalie_Ca · · Score: 2, Informative

      Time to make a plug for the best independant music radio station in the world. They already have 1 long running podcast.. over 70,000 downloads per week and they just started up 2 more. Best yet it comes in OGG format too :D.

      CBC radio 3 and the french canadian station with its own podcast (today its all arcade fire!) BAP.fm

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    12. Re:What I want to know by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Nah, easier than that. Just play the junk and see viewers leave in droves, along with "this boring half hour mandated by your Congressman, name XYZ, up for re-election in just four short months."

      Seriously. If they can't charge for advertising, they have no incentive to search out "good" independents, and suddenly you have a de facto NPR clone playing something some toker deems Worthy. Hence they actually have an incentive to search out, or "allow", to avoid looking complicit, boring content to get on the air along with said disclaimer in hopes of getting it overturned.

      Oh, your congressman wouldn't cave. I mean the other guy's.

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    13. Re:What I want to know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      For example, Sunday March 11, 2007 from 1:59 AM to 3:01 AM. ?? I don't get it. :( What's funny here?
    14. Re:What I want to know by Alcoholic+Synonymous · · Score: 1

      Sub-labels. Those little "independent" branches of major labels which are separated by a stack of paperwork, but ultimately come back to the umbrella ownership of the one of the Big 4.

      Distribution deals. Those companies that piggyback the distribution network of the Big 4, without technically being a part of them, and pay a portion of the proceeds to them.

      I am concerned with the 8400 hours math. That's 350 days of hypothetical non-stop programming per year. But when divide amongst the various markets, it could trickle down to a couple of hours a week per station, which can easily be placed in a slot where they have the least listeners.

      The other thing that bugs me is the "contracts". If some scene does start to break, the record labels could just as easily ink a lucrative deal with the upstart indy bands that take off ("5 records! $20,000 up front to make the the first record!"), then bury them in a lack of promotion. ("Oh well, we can't play you now, you are major label band and don't qualify for the 'indy rock block' anymore.") Thus, in this deal, is another tool for suppressing music not endorsed by the Big 4. The cost of a sign-on bonus is trivial compared to the millions they can harvest from another manufactured pop group, and they can sue to get their "advance" back when the bands fail to make any profit and prevent them from recording for anyone else at the same time. Effectively burying the scene with the same weapons intended to break them from burying new scenes. This is a point on which I hope I a dead wrong.

    15. Re:What I want to know by wish+bot · · Score: 0
      If you stay up to watch a computer clock, you'll find out!

      Ok, ok. I'll be nice. Summertime begins for the northern hemisphere.

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    16. Re:What I want to know by glavenoid · · Score: 1
      Oh, that's just rich because those hymns would seriously be far better than the normal clearchannel drivel any day. At least church music has some *soul* ;) And that's gospel truth!

      Really, I'd rather hear some music where at least some of the singers felt the music to be important, rather than some tweenage puppet lipsynch to some 45 year old nasty-ass, but vocally talented hobag singing lyrics written by a 65 year old and 6 times divorced pedophile who tells the pubescent children of (mostly) America how to bitch....

      Yea, either the church music, or some Bossa Nova! Now *that* would truly rock!!

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    17. Re:What I want to know by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Who the f*** decided that sentences on the Internet shall no longer be formatted with two spaces after a period?! Who the fuck decided that they'd ever have 2 spaces to begin with? WTF is the period for?!?
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    18. Re:What I want to know by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      If you stay up to watch a computer clock, you'll find out!

      Yeah but, if he didn't install the update, he could be staying up until April 1st, and he still wouldn't get it.

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    19. Re:What I want to know by Skynyrd · · Score: 1

      Who the f*** decided that sentences on the Internet shall no longer be formatted with two spaces after a period?!

      Who the fuck decided that they'd ever have 2 spaces to begin with? WTF is the period for?!?


      It has to do with the fact that typewriters use a monospace font. Two spaces were used as a cue to the eye that the sentence had ended. Now that we use WYSIWYG editors and variable spaced fonts, we no longer need the extra space.

    20. Re:What I want to know by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      It has to do with the fact that typewriters use a monospace font. Two spaces were used as a cue to the eye that the sentence had ended. Now that we use WYSIWYG editors and variable spaced fonts, we no longer need the extra space. I know where the practice came from, my point was wasn't a period followed by a space cue enough? I also found those double spaces annoying as anything. I'm happy they're gone, except by those hold overs that refuse to change.
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    21. Re:What I want to know by Enry · · Score: 1

      I also found those double spaces annoying as anything. I'm happy they're gone, except by those hold overs that refuse to change.

      I'd say the same about people who put only one space after periods. I learned it this way on a typewriter nearly 20 years ago while taking an actual typing class. I'm not sure if they teach typing that way anymore, but it's hard to break a habit like this. Then again, I'm glad I took the class as I can touch type pretty fast and don't have RSI. If I had the choice of making you annoyed or having braces on my wrists, I can tell you which I'd choose :).

    22. Re:What I want to know by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      "And now, let's bring home the bacon with [insert crappy song name here]"

      "And [insert crappy band here] keeps the lights on for us with [insert song name]"

      And always a favorite, the guy speaking in hushed tones at 375 MPH...

      "Thefollowingisapaidpresentationof[insert megalabel here]"

    23. Re:What I want to know by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I also found those double spaces annoying as anything. I'm happy they're gone, except by those hold overs that refuse to change.

      I'd say the same about people who put only one space after periods. ... I'm not sure if they teach typing that way anymore, but it's hard to break a habit like this. Then again, I'm glad I took the class as I can touch type pretty fast and don't have RSI. If I had the choice of making you annoyed or having braces on my wrists, I can tell you which I'd choose :). Now think about this - what does hitting the space bar an extra time every time you hit a period have to do with RSI? Maybe increases the potential as it is an unnecessary additional motion?

      You must really hate the web then, though, because most browsers automatically compress extra white space into a single space, unless you type an & nbsp;
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    24. Re:What I want to know by Enry · · Score: 1

      Now think about this - what does hitting the space bar an extra time every time you hit a period have to do with RSI? Maybe increases the potential as it is an unnecessary additional motion?

      I learned both at the same time - how to have the correct 'posture' to prevent (or at least delay) RSI, and that a period is followed by two spaces.

      You must really hate the web then, though, because most browsers automatically compress extra white space into a single space, unless you type an & nbsp;

      All right, I'll admit it's not *that* annoying. My issues with the web go beyond double spaces. Find me on another thread when a completely off-topic comment starts me ranting about "content vs. presentation". Now get off my lawn! :)

    25. Re:What I want to know by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      :)

      Well, I started with using my mom's typing course book long ago. I probably don't have proper posture, but it's been long enough that I've seen quite a few of my colleagues develop RSI issues. I tend to use wrist pads to force my wrists higher, and that seems to work for me. My touch typing skills are pretty decent, as I certainly get to practice quite a bit.

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    26. Re:What I want to know by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      Removing the extra space would probably lessen typing by a few percent at most. And it's done via the thumb -- is this involved in the RSI syndrome? Unlike the finger tendons, which do pass through the bulk of the wrist bones where RSI occurs, the thumb kind of works its way around the outside.

      As for "we have WYSIWYG now", well, WYSIWYG is just an arbitrary display. The double spaces was for the purpose of giving the eye an additional visual cue. A WYSIWYG that does not add extra spacing (if you check, you will see it's just a normal single space more or less) is a poorly written one by a lazy programmer who was never exposed to "stream formatting" principles.

      In other words, "we have WYSIWYG now, which doesn't use or need it" is completely missing the point. WYSIWYG is improperly built because it does not do this extra spacing. If you don't understand what I mean, you don't understand "stream formatting". In stream formatting, when you get to the end of a sentence, regardless of punctuation (period, question mark, exclamation point) you add additional spacing to make the sentence separation more obvious. Thus you should only enter one space as data (or better yet, none!) after a period, and let the display render it properly.

      That's right, peeps. You should type no spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence, if you want to be technical about it. A WYSIWYG that forces you to type one (or else it shows none) but that strips out the extra one if you type two is not WYSIWYG ! And it is not a stream formatter. It is an abomination that deserves death. All incompetent inferior programmers should die like pigs in Hell, you substandard losers! >:( :)

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    27. Re:What I want to know by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      In other words, "we have WYSIWYG now, which doesn't use or need it" is completely missing the point. WYSIWYG is improperly built because it does not do this extra spacing. If you don't understand what I mean, you don't understand "stream formatting". In stream formatting, when you get to the end of a sentence, regardless of punctuation (period, question mark, exclamation point) you add additional spacing to make the sentence separation more obvious. Thus you should only enter one space as data (or better yet, none!) after a period, and let the display render it properly.

      That's right, peeps. You should type no spaces after the punctuation at the end of a sentence, if you want to be technical about it. A WYSIWYG that forces you to type one (or else it shows none) but that strips out the extra one if you type two is not WYSIWYG ! And it is not a stream formatter. It is an abomination that deserves death. All incompetent inferior programmers should die like pigs in Hell, you substandard losers! >:( :) "http://slashdot.org"

      How would you render that?

      and who claimed HTML/browser combinations are WYSIWYG? Have you been in outer space since 1993 or so? Browser incompatibilities aren't solely about failures to display HTML, but also about rendering it differently.
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  2. Very cool... by RyanFenton · · Score: 3, Funny

    The fine was nothing, considering the scope of the industries involved. But the air-time for independent broadcasters should be a cool twist.

    At the very least, it'll be fascinating to hear how the broadcasters will transition to the 'punishment' broadcasts...

    "This is wacky bob and the fizz signing off - up next, it's a half-hour of something we don't want you to hear, and we don't get paid for. So, um, enjoy!"

    Ryan Fenton

    1. Re:Very cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This is wacky bob and the fizz signing off - up next, it's a half-hour of something we don't want you to hear, and we don't get paid for. So, um, enjoy!"
      Oh, you leave out the alternative, what goes on today: "This is wacky bob and the fizz signing off - up next, it's a half-hour of the same goddamn song over and over and over again."

      Seriously, how many times did you here that fucking piece of trash "Ridin' Dirty" before it made you want to hang yourself?
    2. Re:Very cool... by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 1

      Oh, you leave out the alternative, what goes on today: "This is wacky bob and the fizz signing off - up next, it's a half-hour of the same goddamn song over and over and over again."

      As I understand as part of one of their settlements the RIAA had to provide a certain value worth of music to public institutions like libraries, so they took the settlement as an opportunity to unload and write off a lot of junk they had in warehouses. One library reported receiving twelve copies of Will Smith's abortive attempt to have a music career. If the RIAA is so unconcerned about their image that they will do things that blatant I think we can look forward to radio stations playing a half hour of the the worst drek they they can find, over and over and over again, so it does not drive people to better music.

    3. Re:Very cool... by xerxesVII · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Simple. They'll do one of two things (or probably both):

      1. These half-hour blocks will be aired somewhere between midnight and six a.m.
      2. They won't say that this is something they're required to do. They'll crow about how cutting edge and forward thinking they are.

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    4. Re:Very cool... by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1

      I wonder what qualify as a "local artist." I could see radio stations running some cheesy "Have all your highschool friends call in and sing songs they made up during class" program. Which would not promote any real local or independent talent.

    5. Re:Very cool... by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      One library reported receiving twelve copies of Will Smith's abortive attempt to have a music career.

      You mean to have a music career *again*. He had a music career before he started acting. Given the age of most people on slashdot, though, you might be too young to remember The Fresh Prince and DJ Jazzy Jeff.

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    6. Re:Very cool... by Deagol · · Score: 1
      You mean to have a music career *again*. He had a music career before he started acting. Given the age of most people on slashdot, though, you might be too young to remember The Fresh Prince and DJ Jazzy Jeff.

      Indeed. Everyone had that damned album on my street -- it was quite the nightmare.

    7. Re:Very cool... by robkill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or...

      Each of the major broadcast networks will syndicate a single show of independent music through their syndication subsidiary (Clear Channel: Premiere Radio Networks, Cox: Cox Syndication, CBS: Westwood One) to each of their local affiliates.

      Let's face it. Your standard big radio station formats (classic rock, Top 40, country) don't lend themselves to independent music. Some of the rock stations in big cities can focus a one or two hour show on the local music scene, but most large commercial stations aren't interested in promoting small independent acts from other markets, especially if the act doesn't tour and appear in that station's coverage area.

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    8. Re:Very cool... by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

      He still put out a bunch of music that sold pretty well after his TV career. He seems to have at least one hit song with each movie he puts out, like Wild Wild West, and Men In Black. Not my style of music, but it makes the top 30, so somebody must be listening.

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    9. Re:Very cool... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here in Seattle the local Entercom and ClearChannel stations already play way too much Nirvana. They won't need to change a thing.

    10. Re:Very cool... by C0rinthian · · Score: 1

      Does he write the hits, or does some studio house writer?

      Big difference.

    11. Re:Very cool... by nine-times · · Score: 4, Funny

      ...but most large commercial stations aren't interested in promoting small independent acts from other markets, especially if the act doesn't tour and appear in that station's coverage area.

      That's funny. I didn't realize that the broadcasters were in the business of promoting bands. I thought they made their money selling advertising, and therefore tried to find good music to keep listeners. So does that mean record companies are paying broadcasters to promote these bands?

      By the way, what's payola?

    12. Re:Very cool... by porcupine8 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget all the Jack FM formatted stations (in addition to the dozens actually named Jack, there are Bobs and Mikes and Dougs and others that don't have silly names but still use the "ipod on shuffle" format). It'd be incredibly easy for them to slip indie stuff in, since their slogan is "We play anything(/everything)" anyhow. These stations are pretty hot right now, and growing - I'll bet they're where a lot of this ends up.

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    13. Re:Very cool... by EastCoastSurfer · · Score: 1

      IIRC, him and DJ Jazzy Jeff did their original stuff. Not sure why anyone would fault Will Smith for doing what he does though. He went to Hollywood, looked at what sells and did just that. I'll try to dig it up, but there is a quote of him talking about patterns of movies that made a lot of money. Something like they needed aliens, action, bit of romance, bit of comedy, so he set out to make those, at least in the beginning.

    14. Re:Very cool... by AJWM · · Score: 1

      they needed aliens, action, bit of romance, bit of comedy,

      Yep, sci-fi action romantic comedy, that's guaranteed a watch in my house. Makes sense in the public at large, too: sci-fi to interest the kids and the nerds (who are more likely to spend money on movies or DVDs than jocks are), action to interest the males, romance for the females, and comedy because nobody watches a downer movie for fun. (I oversimplify, but not by a lot.)

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    15. Re:Very cool... by HAKdragon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Man, Slashdotters just don't understand.

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    16. Re:Very cool... by twiddlingbits · · Score: 1

      Yep, But not a place where someone would hear a good off-label song then start asking for it which would help the genre and the artists. Jack doesn't do requests. They need to be on the top stations by type (Rock, Country, Rap) during peak listener hours (6-10AM and 4-7PM)

    17. Re:Very cool... by GreenHell · · Score: 1

      Payola, also known as pay-for-play, means the record company paying a radio station X dollars to play a song a certain number of times over a certain number of days (and not mention that the spot is paid for).

      And, as for the business of promoting bands: until recently, at least one of those broadcasters fined (Care to guess which one?) was also in the business of event/concert promoter.

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    18. Re:Very cool... by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      I think a lot of us don't think he ever had a "career" in music. He certainly has a career in acting, but music? Naah, no more than Keanu.

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    19. Re:Very cool... by bladesjester · · Score: 1

      I don't know. I think winning the first Grammy in the Rap category in 1988, having two #1 hit songs ("Men in Black" and "Gettin' Jiggy Wit It"), and two platinum albums is sort of indicative of a career in music.

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    20. Re:Very cool... by lazybeam · · Score: 1

      Maybe they could have a promotion like Triple J Unearthed: http://www.triplejunearthed.com/

      Triple J is my favourite radio station; in fact I only have five radio stations programmed into my car radio and they are all Triple J (national radio station so different frequencies for different areas). They play a lot of new music, and promote bands that would have not otherwise gotten popular. They often play songs months before the mainstream finds them. They also play lots of songs no other radio station in the world would play, uncensored! Some information here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triple_J#Effects_on_l ocal_record_companies_and_radio_stations

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  3. Way too little by zoomshorts · · Score: 2

    And far too late. Fine them out of existance.

    1. Re:Way too little by Orange+Crush · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And far too late. Fine them out of existance.

      Screw fining them. Revoke their broadcast licenses. The spectrum "belongs" to the public. They're granted exclusive use of little slices of the spectrum in exchange for playing by our rules (well, the FCC's rules, anyway). Break the rules, and your spectrum goes to somebody who will make better use of it.

    2. Re:Way too little by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

      Fining them to death is the best way. Removing their license, merely allows one of their cronies
      to aquire the same frequency and start all over. Take the money out of the business with MEGA fines.

      The FCC board of commissioners are appointed, in this case by BUSH. The same with the SEC(security and Exchange Commission)
      and look what they allowed to happen, the re-emergence of the Bell(AT&T) monopoly. Just wait a few years and they will be
      back as the only telco.

      What makes you think Bush appointees are anything but Bush puppet/sympathizers/co-conspirators?

    3. Re:Way too little by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      And Clinton signed the DMCA. Please both parties have been tools of the the entertainment industry forever.
      Please find me someone that isn't.

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    4. Re:Way too little by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

      Wait a few years? It's here - the AT&T/Verizon telco choice. If you get to choose which one serves you, you're one of the less than 1%ers. The rest of us don't have a choice.

      Cell phones are also shrinking down, we now have AT&T(/Cingular), Verizon, T-Mobil and Sprint/Nextel.

      Radio is down to 4 companies, effectively, and one of those, ClearChannel, also owns 33% of XM (a main reason I'm not an XM subscriber).

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    5. Re:Way too little by hedwards · · Score: 1

      Nice idea, but it will never happen. While the radio and broadcast industries have to sign that they will not exercise property rights and that they spectrum can at any time be reallocated, in practice that has yet to happen in any notable manner. The FCC seems to be more concerned with free speech happening online and nipples than how the media ownership is distributed.

    6. Re:Way too little by jZnat · · Score: 1

      The DMCA was passed nearly unanimously. Even if Clinton vetoed the DMCA, Congress would just take their bribes and vote for it again, thus overriding the President's veto.

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    7. Re:Way too little by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      Thank you for proving my point. The Democratic members of congress ALSO VOTED for the DMCA.

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    8. Re:Way too little by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If they revoked the license of anyone who took money to play songs... that would be amazing! Also the airwaves would be dead for years, but still amazing! I'd laugh for a solid hour.

    9. Re:Way too little by zoomshorts · · Score: 1

      What I meant by wait a few years, was that the old monopoly would be back.
      Yes, what you have stated is correct. Since there are still more telcos
      out there, that, if you wait, they will disappear also.

    10. Re:Way too little by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 1

      > Screw fining them. Revoke their broadcast licenses. The spectrum "belongs" to the public.

      Congressman: ...and if you re-elect me, I promise to prevent Britney, Christina, and classic hits stations from playing the Monkeys and John Denver!

      One November later...

      Congressman: Anybody wanna hire an insider lobbyist? Cheap!

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    11. Re:Way too little by jZnat · · Score: 1

      There was a Republican majority at the time, but yes, there were very many Democrats who were also ignorant shitheads or just plain corrupt.

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    12. Re:Way too little by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      I lean Democrat but I hate the DMCA. While I support the Dems in Congress on many things, this isn't one of them. The Dems do tend to lean towards big entertainment. Fritz Hollings ("the Senator from Disney") and Diane Feinstein, among others, seem particularly outspoken on this crap. At least Fritz isn't in Congress anymore. I can sorta understand Diane's position, coming from Hollywoodland, but still... I'm also not too thrilled w/ her position on the PATRIOT act either. :-P

    13. Re:Way too little by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

      You see that is part of the problem.
      Why lean one way or the other? Why not look at all the candidates and then vote for the individual?
      My democratic senator wants the Navy to keep a carrier in service that they want to retire. Why? It is based in my state. He claims that it is to keep America safe.
      Saying you hate one party of the other is just dumb. Odds are their are members of the party you hate that you agree with and members of your own party that you do not.
      And what it does is separates us on party lines.
      In a way it is a lot like racism.
      I hate it when people talk about red states and blue states as well.
      Of course trying to get people to exercise judgment, good manners, and open mindedness on slashdot is a windmill I have tried got fight before.

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    14. Re:Way too little by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      I lean Democratic because I agree with the vast majority of the party's positions, and I disagree with the vast majority of the Republican party's positions and actions. That's all there is to it, plain and simple. Do I think the Democrats are great? Not particularly. Would I like to see a better system than winner-take-all at the polls? Most definitely.

      I think we're getting a bit off topic here though.

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  4. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by twostar · · Score: 4, Funny

    What about "music" nerds? How come it always has to be about "computer" nerds? Can't we be inclusive and support all the nerds of the world?

  5. They've already paid their settlement, unknowingly by Radon360 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Large broadcast companies probably have paid a higher price in loss of listenership, as their tired, weary, and limited playlists have driven more and more people to alternatives such as iPods, MP3 players and satellite radio.

    Sure, go ahead, fine them, order them to allocate time to new acts, that's a small loss they can see on their balance sheets in comparison to the difficult to calculate loss of listenership.

  6. 12.5? by mastershake_phd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    $12.5 million and provide 8,400 half-hour segments of free airtime for independent record labels and local artists

    A paltry $12.5? Isnt it great when a company gets fined less than it probably made by committing the offense. Its called a cost benefit analysis, basically if crime pays they commit the crime. 4,200 hours of independent/local music sounds good though. I wonder who gets to pick who gets the time.

    1. Re:12.5? by Radon360 · · Score: 1

      My guess is that the timeslot will be 5am on Sunday morning, right before all the religious and other public service/education programming. I think it would be a hoot to order them to block out a half-hour segment of prime afternoon drive time, commercial-free, as punishment.

    2. Re:12.5? by fmobus · · Score: 1

      That pretty much happens all the time. It's difficult to precisely calculate big-company profits in such schemes. The plaintiff may have asked for the correct value, but court analysis and stuff changed the value or something like that.

      Most profit in cases like this are almost impossible to calculate, not even the evil company knows how much they made on this technique alone.

      But yeah, I believe the made much more with payola bussiness (although I don't for how many years of payola they are getting fined, for I haven't RTFA).

    3. Re:12.5? by kalirion · · Score: 1

      4,200 hours of independent/local music sounds good though.

      Now divide this by the number of radio stations owned by the broadcasters....

    4. Re:12.5? by garcia · · Score: 1

      I want to know if that 12.5 million dollars is going to be used to fund programs that the FCC shouldn't be in charge of in the first place -- like indecency. Their job is to control dividing up the spectrum, not what is or isn't acceptable to put on it.

    5. Re:12.5? by mastershake_phd · · Score: 1

      Yes well the Constitution is supposed to be more than a list of suggestions to. Congress shall make no law....THINK OF THE CHILDREN! The founding fathers didnt have Howard Stern!

    6. Re:12.5? by bogjobber · · Score: 1
      I wonder who gets to pick who gets the time.

      I could see them sidestepping this by playing older music from bands that were once independent but are now signed to a major. Larger markets (LA/NY) might be able to get around it also because many national acts are still considered local. This coupled with the relatively small fine seems like a slap on the wrist. It's hard to say without more about the specifics of the deal, however.

    7. Re:12.5? by Mr+Z · · Score: 1

      My question is, how are the 4200 hours divvied up? If that's 4200 hours / year / station, that's almost 12 hours a day. If it's 4200 hours total across 4 major networks spread across 3 years, that's less than 1 hour a day. Enquiring minds want to know!

  7. Cool by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    Now the night shift will have something to listen to...during their half-hour lunch "hour" anyway.

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  8. Just the broadcasters? by Zeek40 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why aren't the Music Labels who are offering the payola being fined as well? If the police see a drug deal, both the buyer and the seller will be arrested. How is this any different?

    1. Re:Just the broadcasters? by Otter · · Score: 5, Informative

      This is the FCC, not the police. They don't have any authority over the labels.

    2. Re:Just the broadcasters? by HungWeiLo · · Score: 4, Funny

      How is this any different?

      I don't try to pawn my VCR for $10 at 2am to get my Britney Spears fix?

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    3. Re:Just the broadcasters? by parliboy · · Score: 1

      Because that's not where the illegal act takes place.

      If the music label pays for airtime, that's advertising. If the record company reports it as an unpaid play, that's payola. That's the moment of illegality.

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    4. Re:Just the broadcasters? by SydShamino · · Score: 1

      If the record label gives the station 100 iPods to pass out to customers on the day a new song releases, that's not payola. If station employees take home 5 of those iPods, that's payola.

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    5. Re:Just the broadcasters? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is the FCC, not the police. They don't have any authority over the labels.

      So what's the justice dept. doing? RICO act anyone?

    6. Re:Just the broadcasters? by Bobfrankly1 · · Score: 1

      "Broadcasters would admit to no wrongdoing under the three-year settlement, which would end an FCC investigation into payola practices."
      The FCC may not have had enough evidence to forward anything beyond the broadcasters accepting the payola.

      "Payola, or "pay-for-play," can be difficult to track."
      So the FCC gets some *fine* money, some indie artists get some airtime (likely with the least listeners), and the public in general thinks the FCC has returned the radio waves to the public. Pft. Prince alone made almost 50mil, how much of that do you think that the broadcasters made off him? (ref link)
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  9. "pay the governemnt"? by AlHunt · · Score: 0

    Why should they pay the government $12.5M to the government? Has the government been harmed?

    Please don't expect me to believe the government pissed away $12.5M investigating this case (unless they did it from their offices at the Maui Hilton). If the industry pays the money then it should be used for some related worthy purpose, not to fill the coffers of wasteful government agencies.

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    1. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      They said it was a three-year investigation, and lawyers are expensive...

    2. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by MindStalker · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Yes... 3 year investigation.
      10 employees who get paid 100K each
      is 3 million dollars over 3 years.

      Plus air travel and other crap. Government spends a million just wiping its butt, thats just what happens with large entities that have no direct income for their actions.

    3. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by Paulrothrock · · Score: 2, Funny

      News flash: We're the government. This is another $12.5 million we won't have to pay in taxes.

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    4. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by SnotBob · · Score: 0

      "unless they did it from their offices at the Maui Hilton"

      At least now Paris Hilton has more money to produce another album.

    5. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      > This is another $12.5 million we won't have to pay in taxes.

      What a charmingly naive view.

    6. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      News flash: We're the government. This is another $12.5 million we won't have to pay in taxes.



      Good one. Should I try the fish?
    7. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yeah, like to blueo2.com

    8. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by glitch23 · · Score: 0

      Yes... 3 year investigation.

      10 employees who get paid 100K each is 3 million dollars over 3 years.

      Plus air travel and other crap. Government spends a million just wiping its butt, thats just what happens with large entities that have no direct income for their actions.

      Maybe they should get a raise for those on slashdot who think that 3 million isn't a large enough fine?

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    9. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by gsn · · Score: 1

      Number of annual cd sales is ~500 million. Watch as they increase prices by a buck to "cover losses due to piracy." 12.5M is chicken feed for these guys, and even if equally distributed is under 10c per person. Its a nifty de facto tax.

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    10. Re:"pay the governemnt"? by MindStalker · · Score: 1

      The fine was 12.5 million I was just showing how easily and quickly money can be spent.

  10. this explains how lindsay lohan got on the radio by Shivetya · · Score: 1

    I do remember reading articles related to the NY settlement that stations were paid or coerced into playing her album. Too many bands are foisted upon us and most listeners don't even realize it. Still long term I doubt it will have that much impact, the record companies will come up something similar that fits in the rules.

    Hell, CDs are still essentially price fixed, and how long has that been going on?

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  11. Who listens to this crap, anyway? by ghoti · · Score: 2, Insightful
    From TFA:

    Radio listeners weary of hearing the same songs over and over may have something to cheer about

    Huh? Ever heard of that dial thing on your radio? You don't need the government to step in and change the programming, just put down the Slurpee for a second and change the station. It's really no wonder ClearChannel et al are taking over the entire market when people can't be bothered to vote with their dials. There are still lots of alternatives, find them while they still exist and support them!
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    1. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What's the point in spinning the dial if most of the stations I can spin to are owned by Clear Channel??

    2. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever even turned on a radio? Theres a country station, an urban station, a classic rock station, and a newer rock station. Perhaps a classical station and a bunch of religious/talk radio stations. You call that variety? The day I hear drum and bass, house and jungle on my drive time commute, is the day that the evil cartels will be broken.

    3. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by Radon360 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Some time ago, this was a valid remedy for substandard programming. The biggest reason being that FCC regulations prohibited an entity from owning more than one station in a market area. That has since changed. Now you have large broadcast conglomerates that own several stations in a market. Sure, they don't want to compete against themselves, so they typify each station with one of their "researched" genre formats (i.e. A.C./Top40, Country, Urban/Rap, Alternative, 70's/80's etc.).

      Of course, each one of these formats are based upon listenership tuned in, on average, 20 minutes at a time. So what happens? They put a handful of "popular songs" into heavy rotation so that there's a good chance that it will play during some 20 minute window. And, of course if the research works in one market, then why not apply it to all of the conglomerate's markets. The result, any particular format is pretty much homogeneous across their span of coverage. Stations begin to lack individuality (outside of their personalities and callsign sweeper).

      So what about the independents? Well, if they grow enough listenership in a market, they become ripe for a buyout by "big radio". One would think that new independent stations would come in to replace them, but you need to remember that "licenseable" spectrum is finite. At some point, there are no free channels left to assign, and this has already been the case for a long time in larger markets.

    4. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by yodleboy · · Score: 1

      what's the point? pick a genre or format. every station that fits it plays the same tracks. the only real basis for comparison anymore is who has the least annoying dj(s).

    5. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just want to point out the fallacy of your argument. Living in a rural area (Nebraska, then moving to Kansas) we had a very limited number of FM stations. When Clear Channel came through (1995 I believe, when I was in Nebraska), they bought ALL the stations. The only ones left were AM, which were all talk radio and sports broadcasts (some classical, country, but not my cup of tea). The FM stations left went from a rotation of maybe repeating a song every other day to repeating everything at LEAST 3 times a day.

      If you aren't in a major market, you are forced to live with Clear Channel, and the crap they have. Of course, not having to listen for or worry about traffic reports means I don't listen to the radio anymore.

      My point it, unless you are in an urban area, the ONLY alternative for music from Clear Channel are MP3's, CD's and (old car) tapes. I would enjoy having a radio station back that plays good music again, instead of pushing crap down our throats.

      One last case in point: A group of friends and I all called up the station for a week solid, from home, work, everywhere, to request a song (Triangle Man, TMBG) from the "Rock" station. It was a group of 60 people calling several times a day, we finally started getting the answer that they just would not play that song. That is what clear channel is doing, no requests anymore (unless it's on their pre-scheduled playlist).

    6. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by DarthBart · · Score: 1

      That's why my favorite station in the San Antonio area was the automated station that played "classic rock". It appears to be gone now, but it would play 5-6 songs, a commercial or two, 5-6 songs, a commercial or two, etc... No annoying DJs, no "50 minutes of music per hour followed by 10 minutes of commercials", no "traffic is fucked up from here to Austin" traffic reports every 15 minutes. Just music.

    7. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by u8i9o0 · · Score: 1

      The result, any particular format is pretty much homogeneous across their span of coverage. Stations begin to lack individuality (outside of their personalities and callsign sweeper).
      Sorry, but even radio personalities are not necessarily local. It's cheaper to manage one group and send the feed to many affiliates, than to manage one group in each. The exception is a major city, but there exist many more stations outside those markets than within them.

      That means that the guaranteed individuality of each station reduces to their callsign sweeper.

      Of course, while the station ID is necessarily unique the station name may not be: how many K-Rock or Jack-FM stations are there? You could easily splice in the callsign letters within a generic sweeper for stations that share the same name.

      So basically, the guaranteed individuality of each station reduces to their callsign ID itself. Great!
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    8. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by Radon360 · · Score: 1

      Yes, there are stations that go onto network satellite programming occasionally, or even full-time and pretend to masquerade as locally delivered. I worked several years at a locally-owned radio station that used a Westwood One program feed during the nighttime hours. My experience though, is that most radio stations that serve at least a semi-major market do at least have their own air personalities for morning drive and often the whole daytime hours as well, despite still having the crummy music rotation.

      I rember loading about a half-dozen versions of each air personality saying the radio station's tagline in a neutral inflection into the digital cart system (i.e. computer with sound cards). The idea was that none would stand out, and the "variety" would help prevent people from catching on. The satellite feed had embedded signals to trip the cart system at the appropriate time. With that said, there's very obvious clues that will tell you whether or not the programming is local. First, does the jock talk about local occurences and events, or national bits of news, especially Hollywood? Second, do they say the time, or maybe just mention so many minutes before or past the hour? Those two are the most obvious giveaways.

    9. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by glenstar · · Score: 1

      I appreciate your struggle but don't you mean 'Particle Man'? This is from a guy who used 'Birdhouse in Your Soul' as his wedding song.

    10. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by SeaFox · · Score: 1

      Huh? Ever heard of that dial thing on your radio? You don't need the government to step in and change the programming, just put down the Slurpee for a second and change the station.


      You're right. We'll just turn to the non-Clear Channel station. Oh, wait. There isn't one.
    11. Re:Who listens to this crap, anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very astute, I stand corrected.

  12. Variety by QuietLagoon · · Score: 3, Funny

    You mean we may now actually have some musical variety on the airwaves?

  13. They pay the radio stations? by phorm · · Score: 2, Interesting

    generally defined as radio stations accepting cash or other consideration from record companies in exchange for airplay.

    I thought that radio stations paid the record companies a license fee in order to broadcast their music? Can somebody in the industry (or with knowhow) clarify how this works?

    1. Re:They pay the radio stations? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      I thought that radio stations paid the record companies a license fee in order to broadcast their music?
      Radio stations pay money to either ASCAP (the first) or BMI (created to compete with ASCAP) or SESAC (the E stands for Europe), which deal with the licensing of music & the collection of fees.

      Basically, the radio stations are going to be paying licensing fees no matter what they put on the air. Payola either gets a new song some airtime, or gets an existing song more airtime.

      Payola is legal if the DJ announces that the station is getting paid to play it.
      Technically legal is the practice of label --> promoter --> station
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  14. Independent Music? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah these jerk off major broadcasting networks need to play more independent music! Wait...independent artists want to be featured on mainstream radio. I guess the new way to be original and independent is to be, quoting many "independent" music listeners I talk to, corporate whores to commercial radio. Contradiction...too...strong....

    1. Re:Independent Music? by Harinezumi · · Score: 1

      The whole point of this story is that in theory at some point in the near future bands might no longer have to whore themselves out to the big corporate labels in order to get airplay. While they may still end up whoring themselves directly to the radio, at least they'd be able to take the pimps out of the equation.

  15. waah mommy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah but you gotta give props to this guy: "In a statement Monday, Commissioner Michael Copps said pay-for-play `cheats radio listeners and will not be tolerated.' Radio, he said, is `supposed to be our pipeline to exciting, local undiscovered acts -- not more nationalized pablum from big media companies.'"

    That's "Commissioner" as in FCC Commissioner. So hey, maybe the feds are on the right track for once.

  16. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by ak3ldama · · Score: 1, Funny

    No.

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  17. "independent" labels by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I worked for a brief while in the music industry and can tell you that this won't mean a thing. The airtime that will be devoted to independent labels will get sucked up by independent imprints and offshoots that still very much bow to their corporate overlords. There are quite a few "independent" labels out there that are run by someone in the A&R department at a major label. Consider it their "hobby" record label. However, quite often they have agreements whereby the major label that the "independent label" owner works for has first rights to signing any bands that the "independent" label managed to dig up. Labels like this are just another cog in the machine, and I assure you this is where the majority of that airtime will be going...

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  18. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by DigitAl56K · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is perhaps the most exciting news that I've heard in the past month, if not substantially longer, with regards to the media. It actually made me sit back and think "wow..." in near disbelief.

    Slashdot runs articles on the MPAA and RIAA all the time. I personally could not be happier that independent artists are going to get some mainstream airtime, and I hope it inspires a change in the way that people choose to consume content - perhaps learning the value in seeking out lesser known artists instead of spending their cash on whatever happens to be pushed through more commercialized channels.

    One of the benefits of technology and the Internet is that they lessen the gap in quality of product (for lack of a better term) and exposure that can be achieved between enthusiasts and large well funded commercial entities. This is an excellent opportunity for the best of these artists to be recognized through alternate channels.

    It is absolutely news for nerds. Best of luck to all those who benefit from the free airtime :)

  19. No by overshoot · · Score: 1

    You mean we may now actually have some musical variety on the airwaves?
    If I had mod points I'd mod this one "ROTFLMAO Funny."
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  20. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you, Whiny Nerd. Of all the Spice Nerds, you are my favorite.

                                            -- Yours in Nerdness,
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  21. Just what we need... by Pojut · · Score: 1

    ...indie bands being heard on mainstream radio stations so that they can be "discovered" by major labels and have their music stripped from them in exchange for exhorbitant amounts of money and their very souls.

    I would prefer to have to keep searching for unknown indie music groups rather than have them fed to me, thank you.

    1. Re:Just what we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There's plenty of indie bands that get picked up by a major and don't 'sell out.' If anything, it just seems that way to the snobby, it's-only-cool-if-you-don't-know-about-it music hipsters. I'm personally psyched whenever I see a great indie band (usually underexposed) get some exposure. I heard Bloc Party (granted, a pretty popular band as far as indie goes) on NPR the other day and squealed with glee.

      Point is, publicity isn't always a bad thing and doesn't always = selling out. Since the popularity of the internet and p2p, indie music is getting more exposure than ever, and if anything, the music is getting better because of it.

    2. Re:Just what we need... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I heard Bloc Party (granted, a pretty popular band as far as indie goes) on NPR the other day and squealed with glee.

      Too bad Bloc Party is major label. Vice, their US label, is an imprint of Atlantic, which is in turn part of Warner Music.

      They do hide it well, though.

    3. Re:Just what we need... by Pojut · · Score: 1

      I never mentioned selling out. Tool is heard on radio stations all over, but I would never consider Maynard to be a sell-out. Why?

      ****This is the only definition of selling-out you will ever need.****

      Becomming very popular and making tons of money off your music with a lot of air time on radio, tv, etc. = smart.

      Becomming very popular and making tons of money off your music with a lot of air time on radio, tv, etc. while losing control of anything you create and having some guy in a suit tell you what you can and can't record just so you can make more money = selling out

      See how easy that was?
      Smart = making money to produce and distribute music (Tool and Maynard)

      Selling out = changing your sound and your message so that you can make more money producing and distributing your music (Cradle of Filth and Dani)

  22. Yes, they do by overshoot · · Score: 3, Informative

    I thought that radio stations paid the record companies a license fee in order to broadcast their music? Can somebody in the industry (or with knowhow) clarify how this works?
    No, they are only required to pay the composers. The artists get nothing, which is why so many of them write their own (mediocre at best) material rather than cover something better. That, and they use the records and airtime to get fans for concert gigs, which is where the real money is.

    Now, "Internet radio" is something else. They have to pay per play not only to the composers but to the record labels, and they pay handsomely. Of course, the artists still don't get anything but at least we're being protected from the horrors of radio over the Internet.

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    1. Re:Yes, they do by Peyna · · Score: 1

      Composers are artists. In fact, they are probably much more deserving of the title "artist" than "recording artists."

      But anyway, you pay royalties to the copyright holder for the composition. It could be anyone, and probably more than likely is a record label.

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  23. Marketing for Lemmings by rlp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me get this straight. The recording companies are illegally paying off radio broadcast networks to get exposure for their music. At a time when the number of listeners to broadcast radio is in decline. At the same time, they're trying to kill off Internet radio, satellite radio, and trying to strong-arm their main on-line distributer - Apple. Oh, yeah - and don't forget lawsuits against their customers. Either the heads of marketing in the recording industry have large short positions in their own company, or else there's a serious need to start drug testing.

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    1. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by nuzak · · Score: 1

      > At the same time, they're trying to kill off Internet radio

      Because they don't control it.

      > satellite radio

      ditto.

      > and trying to strong-arm their main on-line distributer - Apple.

      hat trick.

      Perfectly logical when you're looking at an industry that has no ability to deal as an equal. They want total control or nothing. And they have congress to ensure that the latter option isn't available.

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    2. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      What you don't realize is that, according to their plan, all that doesn't matter. Marketing doesn't matter. Radio doesn't matter. "Customers" (What are they? Surely you mean "consumer whores," right? Or "sheeple," at the least...) don't matter.

      So what does matter? Increasingly draconian copyright laws matter. DRM (especially ubiquitous DRM, like how Microsoft is pushing, e.g. WMP adding DRM to ripped tracks by default) matters. Payola between the labels, radio stations, and (DRM'd) hardware and software makers matters. So what is this goal? Why, it's simply to force everyone to pay them for music, because they have no other choice. This is accomplished by removing all access to independent music and (eventually) bribing the government enough that it institutes some kind of compulsory music tax so that you have to pay whether you're listening or not. And, of course, if you're not buying "enough" of their dreck, it obviously means you're a "pirate," which gives them grounds to sue...

      That scenario, right there, gives record label execs wet dreams. It must be the goal they're working towards, because it's the only thing that makes sense (from their twisted perspective).

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    3. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by rlp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The recording companies are distributors. Musicians supply them with music that they then sell to retailers like Apple, Wal-Mart, etc. These in turn sell to the public. They've grown used to controlling every aspect of the distribution process and as a result grabbing the bulk of the revenue generated.

      If you look at the history of American railroads in the nineteenth century, it was similar. They controlled distribution of goods and in many cases could charge what they wanted. Farmers, manufacturers, retailers, and consumers suffered, but had no alternative. At least till technological development changed things (trucks and highways). Then suppliers and consumers had a way of bypassing the rails, and did so. Eventually the rail companies adapted (mixed mode transport) and even prospered.

      Like the railroads, the recording industry is trying to maintain control. And now the environment is changing. Unlike the rails, the recording industry appears to be unable to adapt and determined to shoot themselves in the foot ... repeatedly ... with large caliber weapons.

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    4. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by Harin_Teb · · Score: 1

      Not quite accurate... AFAIK the companies are not illegally paying off radio broadcast networks, radio braodcast networks are illegally accepting payoffs...

      the distinction is in who is committing the "crime". The Record Labels can offer to pay the radio stations to play only oops I did it agian 24/7 if they want, its only illegal for the radio station to say "ok"...

    5. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by AnswerIs42 · · Score: 1

      FYI.. Clear channel is sponsoring a couple of channels on XM. It is easy to figure out which ones. But 98% of the other channels are not Clear Channel sponsored.

      After 3 months of XM.. I keep wondering WHY I kept listening to regular radio so much.

    6. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by Flunitrazepam · · Score: 2, Funny

      RIAA on Rails?

      --
      1) Your analysis is based on bad assumptions so your result is way off. 2) You're a sick bastard for fucking a horse.
    7. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by Froster · · Score: 1

      That was probably the best metaphor for the current situation of the entertainment industry that I've heard. Its pretty clear now that I've seen it, but it never crossed my mind before. Thumbs up!

    8. Re:Marketing for Lemmings by terrymr · · Score: 1

      After two years of Sirius I can't imagine why people would listen to XM so much. Seriously I have XM from directv - but it just lacks something.

  24. Re:They've already paid their settlement, unknowin by zappepcs · · Score: 1

    You are absolutely correct. I stopped listening to broadcast radio several years ago. In fact, it was the moment I hooked up my stereo to a laptop and began listening to Internet based radio. All the music you want, none of the fscked up talking. Its cheaper than XM, better than the cable company alternatives, and has much more choice.

    At this point, I'm happy to report that I no longer know anything about any of the local radio stations.

  25. Between 6am and midnight.. by unity · · Score: 2, Informative

    The LA Times had some more details in their article yesterday:
    http://www.latimes.com/business/la-ex-payola5mar06 ,1,2865175.story

    The relevant part:
    "In a separate agreement, the radio companies have agreed to set aside 8,400 half-hour segments of free airtime over the next three years for local and independent artists. The segments would have to air between 6 a.m. and midnight."

  26. What about Air America? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

    I know this is going to be considered a troll - I listened to Air America when it was on Sirius, and I don't want to disparage it, but how come they can pay to be carried on certain radio stations, and record labels can't pay to have songs from their artists carried on radio stations?

    Don't get me wrong, I want to listen to the independent labels and artists, I want to get wide exposure to new (to me) music, but frankly if we live in a free market, don't we need to accept the bad with the good?

    --
    Stupid sexy Flanders.
    1. Re:What about Air America? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      ...frankly if we live in a free market, don't we need to accept the bad with the good?

      Radio spectrum is limited and regulated by the government. Therefore, -- and I want to make sure everyone gets this, because I'm tired seeing it needing to be repeated -- RADIO IS NOT, AND NEVER COULD BE, A FREE MARKET!

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    2. Re:What about Air America? by DeepHurtn! · · Score: 4, Insightful
      "Free markets" only have a chance in hell of actually functioning anything like the fantasies of neo-liberal economists if consumers have the resources to make informed decisions. Payola blatantly violates that, by turning the song into nothing more than a paid advertisement for price-fixed pieces of plastic and presenting it as if its placement on the Top 40 is the result of requests or other measures of popularity. Oligopolies are the enemy of the free market because they can make backroom deals like this out of the public eye that distort the market.

      Besides, these companies do not have an inherent right to broadcast at all. You, as an American, own the airwaves, NOT the broadcasters; they are using a public resource for private gain, and part of that deal is that they owe something to the public. Asking them to kindly not lie out of their teeth in order to enrich a few people's pockets doesn't seem like much to ask, eh?

      Finally, I don't think you, as an American citizen, *need* to accept anything! As a citizen, aren't you theoretically part of the body politic...? Are you not, in theory at least, participating in your country's sovereignty, in fact the ultimate basis for that sovereignty? Are you really happy to surrender that sovereignty to entrenched business interests? If so, what's the point of Democracy at all? Government for the people, by the people, and all that jazz?

    3. Re:What about Air America? by IthnkImParanoid · · Score: 3, Informative
      From wikipedia:

      Under United States law, 47 U.S.C. 317, a radio station always has had the ability to play a specific song in exchange for money; however, this must be disclosed on the air as being sponsored airtime, and that play of the song should not be reported as a "spin". Some radio stations report spins of the newest and most popular songs to industry publications, which are then published. [...]On influential stations (and particularly on television) payola can become so commonplace that it becomes difficult for artists to get their records/videos played without offering some sort of payment.

      There you go. My opinion: if radio stations were allowed to accept money for non-advertising plays of songs, only people who could pay would ever be broadcast, which is an abuse of a government granted monopoly.
      --
      It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
    4. Re:What about Air America? by jonthegm · · Score: 1

      I don't think payola needs to be illegal. In 1958, America voiced its displeasure at Alan Freed when it came to light that he was accepting payola for his radio show. They did not need the government to come to that conclusion!

      Broadcast media in general is dying in my opinion... slowly falling to the wayside as the younger generations demand more and more "on-demand" solutions. Why listen to what "The Man" tells you, when you can listen to what you want, when you want?

    5. Re:What about Air America? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Of course, it could be.

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      Stupid sexy Flanders.
    6. Re:What about Air America? by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      No, it couldn't. Why? Because the nature of radio spectrum makes it such that you either regulate, or nothing works because everything is interfering with everything else. That's physical reality, Mister Libertarian, and no amount of economic theory will change it!

      --

      "[Regarding the 'cloud,'] ownership was what made America different than Russia." -- Woz

    7. Re:What about Air America? by gfxguy · · Score: 1

      Just because the government allows someone to use bandwidth doesn't mean that it can't be a free market. The free market wouldn't be for the frequency.

      Look, let's get something straight - our founding fathers included the right to free speech and freedom of the press because that's all that was available at the time. If they had any inkling that "air" could be used to transfer signals the way radio and television do, they most certainly would have included that, too.

      The role of the FCC should be to hand out licenses for frequencies and power where requested and available, that's it.

      --
      Stupid sexy Flanders.
  27. JUST??? breaking? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's with the "just breaking" crap? I read about this in this mornings SF Chronicle!!! The paper kind... you know... the kind that they printed last night?

  28. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by hackstraw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This is perhaps the most exciting news that I've heard in the past month

    This is perhaps yet another example of the old boss being the same as the new boss.

    So, we have media cartels that through payola, DMCA, and copyright do whatever they want, and now the government comes in and says. "We've been nice to you, now you have to pay some extra protection so something bad does not happen to you".

    The media cartels are still there. Payola just got temporarily more expensive. DMCA is still here, and nothing is different.

    I would much prefer if there was an actual free market. The entertainment business has gotten absolutely horrible, where entertainment is the lowest priority, and legislation and money is the priority today.

    I remember when bands could fill up football stadiums in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. Today, its tough to sell out a 10,000 to 20,000 venue, and when that happens, its an older band playing their greatest hits from a decade or more ago.

    All of this crap has stifled creativity. I don't think creativity is down in the human gene pool, I think the ability for creativity to come out is practically illegal.

  29. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by danpsmith · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hope it inspires a change in the way that people choose to consume content - perhaps learning the value in seeking out lesser known artists instead of spending their cash on whatever happens to be pushed through more commercialized channels.

    Don't get too high on the hype. If the people I know are any indicator there are two types of music listeners, and one is about 10x more popular than the other:

    • People that actually enjoy music - These people actually like music for music's sake, they enjoy the composition, the content, the lyrics, the entire package. They generally enjoy the concept of art as an abstract thing and enjoy the self-expression, creation and craft involved with such works. Music to them is a type of masterpiece in the same way it is as other things (painted art, literature, etc).
    • People that enjoy music that fits needs, be it popularity, etc. - These people, and I honestly do think that they constitute more of the majority of listeners these days, aren't particularly concerned with quality. They want dancing music, or they want music with lyrics that relate to an ex-boyfriend or girlfriend that pisses them off or other utilitarian type listens. They use music as a way of relating to others in that they like what's popular because it is popular, either in general or in their particular little group. These type of people generally only like either what's popular or one particular type of music or what they've been exposed to repeatedly. Music isn't something new to be discovered, it's a social phenomenon upon which they build their friendships and status. People in this category generally don't like anything that's not already part of their peer group or they haven't been introduced to by a member of their group, or their particular form of popular music exposure.

    Leaving generalities behind, I honestly think that people will not necessarily change what they like simply because a popular radio station has to play some alternative music. In fact, I think you'll find that people actually do prefer Britney Spears squealing out a couple of crappy songs to anything alternative in some cases. The truth is that for far too many people, music isn't music for music's sake. It's a means to a goal, it's an end in some form. They have a stake in it other than the enjoyment of it itself.

    Every now and then you'll get a band like The Beatles or Led Zeppelin that can innovate and still remain popular, however, it's not usually the case. In most cases the public gets exactly what it craves: bland repeat crap from the same five artists because they can't wrap their brains around anything new or different. At least this public, this generation. Maybe I'm just too cynical and the people I hang around are dullards that don't appreciate different music. But it sure seems like that's the majority of people from my angle.

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    Judges and senates have been bought for gold; Esteem and love were never to be sold.
  30. Call the IRS and the FTC by LWATCDR · · Score: 1

    I would love to see this payola was reported on the record companies taxes and to the stock holders.

    --
    See my blog http://ilovecookes.blogspot.com/ for light hearted technical information.
    1. Re:Call the IRS and the FTC by jumpingfred · · Score: 1

      I sure it was put down as marketing expenses.

  31. do existing local band programs count? by hguorbray · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm sure that the media conglomerates will also just use existing local band shows to satisfy some of the hours required by the settlement....

    However,

    Our local san Francisco CC station KITS (Live105) has one of those shows, but actually they are already a better station than most ('fighting for alternative rock' is their current slogan)

      I think the SF Bay Area has more musical diversity than most places....
    besides KITS we have KFOG (eclectic) and the college stations (the mighty KFJC, KSJS, KSCU and KSZU) and our weird, fringe broadcasters (KKUP, KALX, KPFA, KPFB).

    indie rock, just as it's 80s predecessors college rock and punk in the 70s and underground music in the 60's has had a large impact on music in the past few years and as usual, the mainstream outlets have tried and will continue to fail to subvert and commoditize it because these movements thrive (esp like punk) by going against the mainstream. Kids will never (I hope) accept corporations telling them what is cool (except maybe apple).

    Just because an indie label has a distribution deal with someone like sony/BMG doesn't mean that they are no longer indie...it works the same way in the indie film world.

    -I'm just sayin'

    1. Re:do existing local band programs count? by PCM2 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Just because an indie label has a distribution deal with someone like sony/BMG doesn't mean that they are no longer indie...it works the same way in the indie film world.

      Tell that to the folks that run 924 Gilman Street. You got major label distribution, you don't play Gilman. It's a widely disputed policy, but it does make a certain sort of sense, to wit: By sticking to this policy, corporate interests do not get to infiltrate independent/alternative venues with "submarine" artists who will later be reared up to full major label status. Major labels and distributors aren't owed access to any venue or channel. They have the money to put their bands up at the standard pay-for-play venues, so let them do that, and not crowd out the true local scene from a $5-per-show venue like Gilman.

      And BTW, I think you seriously overestimate the both the independence and the worth of a station like Live 105, which is owned by CBS Media. That station is pretty much the definition of corporate radio rock in the Bay Area right now.

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      Breakfast served all day!
    2. Re:do existing local band programs count? by rhakka · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not sure how you think punk has "thrived" by "going against the mainstream". It did, until it thrived enough to make major interests interested. Then, post-Green day, we got the whole emo scene, which is basically "corporate punk" targetted at the teens that don't want to wear the country or urban uniforms and instead identify with angst ridden rockers.

      And it sells very well. Kids very easily accept corporations telling them what is cool, as long as the corporation says the right things and has the right imagery in their ads. Look at skate culture.. used to be a bunch of small companies in garages making boards, and small runs of shoes/t-shirts. Now, they are all "real companies" and Nike, of all people, are doing very well in the clothing market, targetting this demographic.

      Not to say that indie music doesn't have an impact. But all sub cultures that achieve some critical mass are gobbled up by big business, chewed up, and turned into a soulless pile of marketing hype and manufactured images. As soon as it becomes profitable enough to be worth it, it's inevitable. And then you wait for the "next thing" to come along, and that gets gobbled up.. and so on, and so on.

      I think your glasses are pretty rose colored if your think the corps have "failed" to subvert ANY counter culture that has achieved any sufficiently large number of adherants.

    3. Re:do existing local band programs count? by gregeth · · Score: 1

      There are some good truly independent stations out there (although not many). KEXP in Seattle is one of those shining examples. They don't really play any ads and have quite a presence broadcasting online as they do over the air in the city.

      Not to mention they offer mp3's of performances and new artists as well.

    4. Re:do existing local band programs count? by bogjobber · · Score: 1
      the mainstream outlets have tried and will continue to fail to subvert and commoditize it because these movements thrive (esp like punk) by going against the mainstream. Kids will never (I hope) accept corporations telling them what is cool (except maybe apple).

      Tell that to the labels selling albums by Green Day, Blink 182, The Strokes, et al and companies like Zumiez and Hot Topic (internal motto "We sell rebellion"). Remember when skateboarding was only for the hardcore and it scared the shit out of pretty much everyone outside the scene? Now it's just another sport that kids pick up when they're young. That doesn't mean that there aren't underground scenes, but corporations are unbelievably good at taking an underground culture and packaging it to wanna-be rebellious youths, absolutely maiming it in the process. In fact, that is many companies' sole reason for existing. Why do you think 50 Cent sold 20 million albums in the US? It wasn't because he's a good musician, that's for damn sure.

    5. Re:do existing local band programs count? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must have still been in diapers back in the '80s, because skateboarding was mainstream back then. Michael J. Fox riding a skateboard in Back to the Future was far from hardcore. My grandma, uncle, and parents all gave me skateboards for Christmas.

      It was left to the "punks" in the '90s when the mainstream got bored with skateboards and moved on to mountain bikes and rollerblades.

    6. Re:do existing local band programs count? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I think your glasses are pretty rose colored if your think the corps have "failed" to subvert ANY counter culture that has achieved any sufficiently large number of adherants.

      In that light, I recommend the book Nation of Rebels by Joseph Heath and Andrew Potter. Its premise is that the whole idea of the so-called counterculture has actually been detrimental to the goal of meaningful progressive change. It points out just how many of the popular conceptions of "rebellion" or "contrarian thinking" are actually expressed in terms of buying stuff. Far from being the anti-capitalist utopia described by Adbusters or "Buy Nothing Day," counterculture thinking is actually the epitome of crass consumer capitalism. The book is flawed in some ways but it's also an enlightening counter-example against the idea that buying a certain rock band's CD results in a meaningful expression of your desire for progressive change upon the world. To over-simplify the authors' argument, if everybody took all the money that they normally spend on tattoos and drugs and donated it to progressive social programs, we might have a real counterculture. But most people just want to go to parties and talk to cute girls about change, rather than really doing something about it.

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    7. Re:do existing local band programs count? by rhakka · · Score: 1

      Hell, Cake put it pretty clearly. "Excess Ain't Rebellion... You're buying what they're selling..."

  32. They can pay, but they can't lie about paying by paladinwannabe2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Me paying you to play my song is advertising. Me handing you money under the table to play the song, then you claiming that you're picking the songs 'you like best' or that 'the audience demands' is fraud, deceptive advertising, and probably tax evasion.

    No one's saying they can't pay to have their songs played. We're just saying they can't lie about doing so.

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    You are reading a copy of my copyrighted post.
  33. Music is a farm system by cheezit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ever notice how many acts start on smaller labels, prove their value, then get snapped up by the majors? This deal will undoubtedly result in the big companies adopting independent labels as de facto "minor league" holding areas. The focus for Sony et al will be on how to manipulate the allocation of the time reserved for independent labels to favor the "independent" labels that feed Sony.

    I wouldn't be surprised to see artist contracts for the independent labels that designate a favored path for contract buyout---"sign with Sony Junior (an independent label) and if your contract is bought out by Sony, you'll get an additional 5% of T-shirt sales!"

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    Premature optimization is the root of all evil
  34. "Just Breaking?" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    March 5, 2007, 2:52PM
    Stations agree on anti-payola settlement

    I saw this at 7:00 a.m. CST.

    What is this "Chron dotcom" you link to? What's wrong with the New York Times or LA Times or the Dallas Morning News or Adweek or any of the other 365 articles that Google News lists?

    News for nerds... from the witless. Jesus H. Christ, people!

    OK, now that the rant against the witless link is over, 12 million? That's only four million for each of the big 4. Chicken feed, chump change, part of their operating expense. It's only a PR ploy. Nothing to see here, move along...

    Business as usual. FCC looking like it's doing its job, when IT AIN'T!

    More importantly and perhaps less on topic, in a thread a couple of days ago some folks said that the major labels were the ones who sort the wheat from the chaff in music, and that is entirely correct. Correct, but wrong. It's correct because of payola, which is wrong.

    The broadcasters themselves should be the ones who bring you the "good stuff". And there should be a hell of a lot more than four of them.

    And we need a new slashdot, too.

  35. Non-corporate stations? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I mostly listen to a non-corporatized local station WBER http://wber.monroe.edu/, they also stream on the internet. Good mix of alternative music - lots of new, refreshing stuff instead of the same old satellite feed.

    Are there any others people can recommend on the internet? There also is a local Jazz station, but reception is spotty.

  36. 12.5 is not enough by DynamoJoe · · Score: 2, Insightful
    12.5 million? They won't even put down their whiskey to sign that check. 4,200 hours of indie radio hurts them a little more - do they have to run it in drive time, or can they bury it in 2-hour shows early Sunday mornings?

    It's all useless, though, since Broadcasters would admit to no wrongdoing. Let's have some punishment, people!

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    bah.
    1. Re:12.5 is not enough by Caceman · · Score: 1

      Exactly. 12.5 million is chump change. Also, how much airtime is this really? 8400 30-minute segments. Is this a one time allotment, or a periodic thing? These four companies own ~1600 radio stations. That works out to 5.25 segments per station. They could play the entire time allotment in one go, at 2:00 AM Sunday morning, without even noticing a blip in their listener numbers or revenue.

  37. They were fined. by pavon · · Score: 1
    This fine is by the FCC. It is their job to regulate the use of the spectrum, and thus they only have jurisdiction over those who license the spectrum. The major labels have been convicted of payola and fined for it. The charger were brought forth by Eliot Spitzer on behalf of the state of NY - see here and here

    If the police see a drug deal, both the buyer and the seller will be arrested.
    But they both get their own day in court. This is the same thing.
  38. Re:They've already paid their settlement, unknowin by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    Large broadcast companies probably have paid a higher price in loss of listenership, as their tired, weary, and limited playlists have driven more and more people to alternatives such as iPods, MP3 players and satellite radio.


    Sure, go ahead, fine them, order them to allocate time to new acts, that's a small loss they can see on their balance sheets in comparison to the difficult to calculate loss of listenership.

    They'll now have 2 targets to blame their losses on - piracy (MP3s) and FCC actions.
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    The cesspool just got a check and balance.
  39. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by 42Penguins · · Score: 1

    Welcome to state radio, comrades. Up next, our government mandated indie music selection!

  40. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I too believe that the majority of people don't care about their music. The reason "oldies" stations work? Most people appear to get "stuck" in their listening habits somewhere between 16 and 25, and then only listen to their "comfort music". Rarely are new tracks, much less actual new types of acts, added to their repertoire.

    It's why there's so much trash on the radio now (besides payola, etc). The marketers have figured out that spoon feeding the same tripe to the young immature and uncritical listening audience allows them to churn "new" artists as needed maximizing their profits.

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    The cesspool just got a check and balance.
  41. Corporate power must be recorded and challenged. by jbn-o · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Not only is there no real punishment for these corporations, the linked article is itself an indicator of a deeper problem: it is carefully written so as to avoid painting any of the businesses as illegal actors where adequate, democratically-arrived-at remedies ought to be applied. There is no simple and clear declaration akin to what one /. poster wrote: "The recording companies are illegally paying off radio broadcast networks to get exposure for their music." nor anything as short and simple as the /. headline in this thread, "Major Broadcasters Hit With $12M Payola Fine".

    I'm not trying to suggest this is new; during the run-up to the Iraq war the stenographers at the New York Times repeated government propaganda to far worse effect (Common Dreams, PDF excerpt). I'm saying that we do ourselves a disservice by letting our contempt dull our shock because we need to point out when corporate leaders behave illegally and we need to tell the corporate reporters when punishment is minimized ($12M is referred to as a "large cash settlement" despite no single payout greater than $4M) and buried (the list of corporate settlements is buried in the piece).

  42. Real tough. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 1

    The segments would have to air between 6 a.m. and midnight.

    So, 11:30PM to 12:00AM on Monday night it is, then! (Seriously, that's not much of a requirement; after 8PM or so, radio listnership absolutely plummets because the rush hour drive is done and practically everyone is home. I can't tell you what's on then, because I never hear it, but on the local rock station where I used to live, they used to run this Lovelines-type call-in-about-your-penile-boils show from like 11PM on.)

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    1. Re:Real tough. by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Or, 5:00pm - based on a different time zone.

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  43. What this really means... by Scott7477 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    is that a lot of those songs that you thought got played a lot because they were popular among your peers were just played because somebody slipped the DJ a couple of fifties. To me, the point isn't that "indie" music didn't get airtime; it is that the Top 40 wasn't based on what kids liked to listen to but what product the record labels had under contract that they needed to make their money back on. There have been a lot of crap songs on the Billboard 200 over the last 30 years; payola is at least a partial explanation.

    With podcasting and MP3's and so forth the only excuse you have for not finding independent music to listen to is your own laziness.

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    "Lack of technical competence coupled with the arrogance of power, as usual, leads to no good end."
  44. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by Harik · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Wow, that was rather dumb.

    Even more so that OH NOES they had to pay a 12 million fine... Yeah, I'm sure clearchannel is crying all the way to the bank over that. 120m, they might notice. 1.2 billion would be an actual fine and a reminder to not fucking break the law.

    But 12m? Oh well, I guess we'll just have to ask Sony to "advertise" their music a bit more next year.

  45. Indie == corporate whoredom by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Indie" is a phrase that was hijacked by the mainstream just as "alternative" was. Nothing to see here, move along.

  46. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by shystershep · · Score: 1

    I think your reasoning is right, but your conclusion is wrong. In my opinion, your first group -- the independent-thinking people that actually like music for its own sake -- is at least as influential as your second group -- the sheep. There is something of a ripple effect, with one independent thinker influencing a circle of people who are just trying to be cool (on the leading edge, out of the mainstream, whatever), who in turn will influence others.

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  47. boyBand.nextHit(); by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sun 2am? this is news for nerds, now we will have good listening for late night code binges. that aside what is the big deal even if there is some kind of colusion, radio sells a service, the attention of listeners. dont pretend this is not their job, they pay you with music and you give attention to ads. the sydicated researched playlists make it easier for them to "buy" listeners. if you really dont like their music hurt their product by not being part of it. there are enough options now that mp3 players, sat radio, net radio, etc are blooming. my preference is as of recently last.fm to discover music and emusic.com to keep the good stuff. these can combine with many options for your personal playlist. several hits from the radio that i like i have found on emusic i really recomend it. if you dont want boyBand.nextHit(); dont run the command. for my next code binge i plan to stuff my emusic collection onto mp3 player and hit the school computer lab until 2 or 3 wed night. if you cant hit the local cd store and buy some local band or personal favorite and find a cd player you are running boyBand.nextHit(); you are not entitled to good free music.

  48. Indie Music Jackpot Offer! (LTO) by RogueSeven · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Speaking of searching for new indie music, anybody interested in a [to be clear: free] invitation to the members-only indietorrents.com? I've earned quite a few (through keeping a good ratio there, being nice, etc.) I just have stockpiled. It's a tracker dedicated to beautiful music made by hardworking, (mainly) DIY musicians keeping themselves far and away from the RIAA Radar's pulsewaves. The added benefit of never having to worry about a lawsuit for anything grabbed or upped on the tracker is very nice. Also of note is that the admins of the site are respectful to any indie label requesting their material not be allowed... it's a win/win/win situation any way you slice it. My email is temporarily "displayed" in my "bio", shoot me one and I'll respond with an invite.

    Since I've been a member of the site, I've been able to eliminate 95% of my listening to RIAA-represented label material... and stop my monetary support for anything of that sort altogether. I'm not suggesting this will happen for everyone, but honestly, there is enough good independent stuff out there to render mainstream stuff a thing of the past. Unite!

  49. Re:They've already paid their settlement, unknowin by infinityxi · · Score: 1

    Yeah but Internet radio (as in independently owned) may be going away too. See the other article on arstechnica about it. It could turn into a subscription based service to recoup for the increase. I believe it applies to stations that only broadcast indie (unsigned stuff). Let's hope not.

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  50. Does anyone know how to get the airtime? by mochan_s · · Score: 1

    I'm a local musician and would like some of the free air time.

    Anyone know how this can be done?

  51. phony compliance? by alizard · · Score: 1
    • the settlement is chump change, they can ignore it and do business as usual
    • the 1/2 hour "indie" segments will probably run between 3:30AM and 4:00AM if they ever run
    • the "independent labels" will presumably be RIAA members and probably subsidiaries of the big players
  52. WRONG by alizard · · Score: 1

    the DJ has nothing to do with it. Payola is run out of the major chains directly as a profit center. Simply assume that EVERY song played on a radio station part of a chain is a commercial some RIAA label paid for. And that the same will continue to be true, all that will result is more creative ways to get around the anti-payola laws and FCC regulations.

  53. Do you have a contract with by alizard · · Score: 1

    an "indie" label subsidiary to one of the major record labels?

    If you don't, there probably is NO way for you to get any of that time.

  54. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by jonthegm · · Score: 1

    And I think that treating radio as being obligated to promote culture is wrong. The only responsibility a non-public radio station has is to its stockholders.

  55. Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Just what Britney Spears needed -- more bad news for her career!

  56. Obligatory... by StikyPad · · Score: 1

    Number Two: [clears throat] Sir, strictly speaking, 12 million dollars will not go very far these days. Virtucon alone makes over 9 billion dollars a year.
    Dr. Evil: Really? Okay then... we hold the world ransom for 1... hundred... BILLION dollars!

  57. Congratulations... by absurdist · · Score: 1

    ...you've just been added to my list of "stupidest comments ever" on Slashdot.

    Seeing as how you don't seem to grasp the basic premise, let me share it with you. Much as I'd like to, we can't jail a corporation for a VIOLATION OF THE LAW (you seem to be missing that point as well) so we've come up with another approach. It's what's called a fine. The purpose of it is to be punitive. Admittedly, I'd love, for personal reasons, to see the Mays boys of Clear Channel et al sent to federal PMITA prison until hell freezes over, Apparently this court didn't have the balls to do that, or simply revoke their licenses (which in this case would be pretty much a corporate death penalty), thus the fine.

    My complaint isn't that the fine is going to the government but that it's WAY too small, considering the size of the broadcasting behemoths we're talking about.

    1. Re:Congratulations... by AlHunt · · Score: 1

      >...you've just been added to my list of "stupidest comments ever" on Slashdot.

      Just be sure to spell my name correctly. A-L H-U-N-T
      (did I type slowly enough for you?)

      >we can't jail a corporation for a VIOLATION OF THE LAW

      I can see where payola in the music industry is a dire problem worthy of 3 years of government effort (which amounts to about 3 days of private sector effort).

      >I'd love, for personal reasons, to see the Mays boys of Clear Channel et al sent to federal PMITA prison until hell freezes over

      This comment speaks for itself (though you might consider adding it to your little list). I have no clue who the Mays Boys are or if they should be on the air. Fortunately, free speech hasn't become an legal offense ... yet.

      I'll be sure to add you to my list of "thorns looking for a side".

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  58. Re:Wrong day by Technician · · Score: 1

    Sunday morning around 2am-ish

    What! Are you crazy? Have music on from indi artists when the clubs let out on a Saturday night? What are you thinking? How about after Sunday night when everyone has to recover from the party for the Monday morning job. Try Monday and Tuesday Mornnings around 2am-ish instead. Late Friday and Saturday nights are not the time.

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  59. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by ZachPruckowski · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I remember when bands could fill up football stadiums in the 70s, 80s, and early 90s. Today, its tough to sell out a 10,000 to 20,000 venue, and when that happens, its an older band playing their greatest hits from a decade or more ago.

    While I agree with like 99% of what you said about payola, that's an exaggeration. I spend a lot of time doing concert promotion and production, and even in a small market (mid-size college town), I have seen shows around 10k fill up without major difficulty. You're correct in that long-running bands have a large advantage, but you can sell a 10k show for plenty of artists.

  60. So Obvious by mojo-raisin · · Score: 1

    They don't even try to hide it. The Police get back together, and suddenly every old song of theirs from the 80s is played repeatedly in San Diego. There's so much good music out there, but they won't ever play it - probably because of payola. Radio Sucks!

  61. Re:this explains how lindsay lohan got on the radi by Technician · · Score: 1


    Hell, CDs are still essentially price fixed, and how long has that been going on?


    The FCC has jurisdiction over broadcasters. Unfortunately they are not in any way connected to enforcement of retail CD prices. Sorry, you will need someone else to tackle that issue, manybe some Fedral Trade Comission perhaps.

    Personaly I vote against the high prices with my dollars. The industry has started to notice, but blame the lacks of votes for high priced CD's on other things becides high prices. They claim CD sales are down and blame iTunes instead of high prices.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  62. Re:Spinning the dail by Technician · · Score: 1


    Huh? Ever heard of that dial thing on your radio?


    Are you kidding? Have you ever tried to get airtime for a local band? There are limited licenses given in a local radio market. The problem is there is no alternative except talk radio. To afford a station, you need listerership. To get listnership, you need popular music. Without listenership, you don't get advertising dollars. There are no stations that play local bands in any major market. Talk radio won't play it, the Clear Chanel stations won't play it, and the Church sponsored Christian station won't play it. Voting by spinning the dial doesn'g get you to any canidates not on the ballot.

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    The truth shall set you free!
  63. Re:this explains how lindsay lohan got on the radi by Sj0 · · Score: 1

    If they're just still breaking the law after 50 years, why would you think they're going to find a legitimate alternative?

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  64. Congrats again, Al... by absurdist · · Score: 1

    >>I'd love, for personal reasons, to see the Mays boys of Clear Channel et al sent to federal PMITA prison until hell freezes over >This comment speaks for itself (though you might consider adding it to your little list). I have no clue who the Mays Boys are or if they should be on the air. Fortunately, free speech hasn't become an legal offense ... yet. If you don't know the difference between on the air personalities and the chairman of the board and upper management at Clear Channel, I would hardly consider you qualified to comment. And if you don't have a clue how important it is to keep close tabs on those who use the public airwaves for private gain, especially given how influential they are in shaping public opinion, then let me put it in a word I'm sure you'll understand: Baaaaaaa.

    1. Re:Congrats again, Al... by AlHunt · · Score: 1

      Darn. You must be slipping. You forgot the "typo/grammar/spelling" flame. Try again.

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  65. If they think... by Robber+Baron · · Score: 1

    If they think that this news is going to make me start listening to Clear Channel, they've got another think coming.

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    You're using her as bait, Master!

  66. Informative?? LOL! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    LOL, what dumbass modded that informative?

    Daylight saving time begins on that night in much of the US and Canada. Some other parts of the world have also probably adopted the new start date of March 11.

    Summer still begins on June 21 in the northern hemisphere. Sheesh. March 11 isn't even Spring yet.

    Quick, mod me funny!

    1. Re:Informative?? LOL! by wish+bot · · Score: 1
      I can't believe I lost mod points by the rant of a coward. "Summer time" == "Daylight savings time" for most of the English speaking world. Type "summer time" into Google and tell me what the first result is!

      Sheeze! Maybe you should get out more, and see some of the world Mr Coward.

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  67. Re: $12.5 million and 4200 hours by tcgroat · · Score: 1

    Spread out the $12.5M and 4200 hours across all 1653 stations that they own, and it comes to less than $10,00 and three hours of air time each. It's a slap on the wrist, which is what usually happens with "We didn't do anything wrong, and promise we'll never do it again" consent decrees. It sounds like a lot until you consider the size of the companies involved here.

  68. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 1

    I was thinking along the same lines. I'm don't get why this payola thing is illegal. If I understand it right, in TV some company produces a show, let's say Firefly. The producers of Firefly go door to door selling their product until a network picks it up. The network pays the producers for their product and then charges money to advertisers to cover that money plus some profit.

    Radio doesn't pay to the producers, instead it charges them to carry their product. So basically they treat musicians as another category of advertisers. This may be unsavory but why is it illegal? I must note I'm not from the US so I have no background on this.

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  69. Re:They've already paid their settlement, unknowin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you mean _american_ internet radio. [as in originating from america, playing american-owned music]

    I highly doubt the two streaming stations I listen to will disappear because of this, mostly because they don't pay royalties to any evil labels in this country.

  70. Re:They've already paid their settlement, unknowin by Sylver+Dragon · · Score: 1

    And for your car?
    Now my car does not have an "iPod dock" (better known as an AUX input). Not to mention I don't own an iPod, nor do I have enough music on CD's to fill the damn thing anyway. I like having some form of music during my commute; and with my inability to pay $16 for a CD, excepting rare occasions, I don't have a huge selection of music to work from. No, I'm not going to futz around with iTunes et al. either. I just want something I can tune to and have a fairly random collection of music within a genere I enjoy. It would be even nicer if it included new stuff on occasion, and local news/traffic. Unfortuneatly, all of the stations which are within range of my commute, and in generes which I enjoy are owned by ClearChanel. It would be nice to think that this ruling is going to make things better, but I know better. The Federal Censorship Commission (FCC) is just slapping the big guys on the wrist to placate the plebes, then it will be back to business as usual.
    Though, to prove that I am a hipocrite, I do subscribe to XM. I finally got sick of 55 minutes of commercials/idiots talking and 5 minutes of one of the same damn 4 songs per hour. Ya, I could buy a CD a month for the same money, but this avoids the need to hunt for stuff I'll like.

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    Laziness is the father.
  71. Why listen to what they tell you? by Virtual_Raider · · Score: 1

    Why listen to what "The Man" tells you, when you can listen to what you want, when you want?

    This makes me think about the internet before Yahoo, Altavista and ye olde search engines came along. Usenet forums were abuzz with the dozens of new sites popping up every day and later-on almost hourly, and it began to be very difficult to know what was out there. And don't get me started on that gopher crap. Anyway, you may have an idea about what you want, but you need a starting point to look for it. I somehow managed to get my fix of alternative music when it was underground and really alternative, same for industrial and noise. But the vast majority of people don't have the time or inclination to spend time on that. Forget about the fast-food mindset, there are simply too many choices of everything to keep up. I may have two or sixteen hobbies, there will always be something I may like but simply not have the time to pursue beyond a quick browse-over.

    So how will you know what you want when you don't have the time to research? You go to some hub and browse a little and hopefully something will catch your eye. Remember kids, there are six and a half bloody THOUSAND MILLION people alive in the world at this moment, around three hundred million on the US alone. Some of them are bound to have different things in which to spend their time ;)

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    +Raider of the lost BBS
  72. NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX? by VGPowerlord · · Score: 1

    It might be a good idea to qualify "broadcasters" with the type. I thought the article was about NBC, ABC, CBS, and FOX as the four major broadcasters until the words "record labels" appeared on the fourth line down (I'm using 1024x768).

    "Radio broadcasters" would be a much more accurate term than "broadcasters."

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  73. Re:Spinning the dail by fucksl4shd0t · · Score: 1

    Last I checked, KLBJ still had wonderful coverage of local music in Austin.

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    Like what I said? You might like my music
  74. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by Gr8Apes · · Score: 1

    It's the same process. If the distributors, publishers, and producers are all under one roof, it's a monopoly, and there's no room for anyone else at the inn. Not to mention that the airwaves belong to the people, not a corporation, no matter what they might think. (Of course, some corporate lapdog will point out that a corp most certainly does own that slice of frequency since they "paid" for it, they only paid for the right to use it for a limited time, with strings attached)

    It's illegal for the same reason any racketering endeavor is illegal.

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    The cesspool just got a check and balance.
  75. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by poopdeville · · Score: 1

    And of course, you're wrong. Radio spectrum is a limited resource. The FCC leases it out to businesses under the condition that it will be used in ways to benefit the public interest. If it isn't, the license gets pulled.

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  76. Re:Spinning the dail by Technician · · Score: 1

    Wow, A good non-Clear Chanel station. I looked up the profile. It is a good read. I hope more stations like this make it on the air. Too bad one of their stations is not near me.

    http://www.emmis.com/profile/story1.aspx

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    The truth shall set you free!
  77. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    > So basically they treat musicians as another category of advertisers.

    In that case, they haven't been fulfilling the obligation of disclosing to the public that the content in question, the music, is advertising. TFA goes into this, stating that the FCC has a requirement that a radio station announce that it has been paid to broadcast a song, if that is indeed true.

    This isn't just an American thing, for example, in French magazines, when an ad is designed to look like content, there is always somewhere a disclaimer that it is advertising (sometimes not that easy to find it, of course).

  78. Re:this explains how lindsay lohan got on the radi by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hell, CDs are still essentially price fixed, and how long has that been going on?
    Don't forget the CD price fixing "settlement" of 2002, http://www.usatoday.com/life/music/news/2002-09-30 -cd-settlement_x.htm , that didn't change a damn thing. This Payola thing will be done and forgotten in a few weeks, back to business as usual.
  79. Useless. by Cervantes · · Score: 2, Insightful

    This whole thing is useless.

    12.5 mil is a sneeze to these guys. It will barely pay for the cost of the 3-year investigation. It's the FCC saying "Hey guys, we're done, but we don't want to admit we paid millions for this investigation. Can you pay for us?"

    4200 hours of independent programming? Great. Cue 4200 different stations all owned by the same guys playing 1 hour of "independent" material gleaned from wholy-owned subsidiaries of the same companies that got busted, and that 1 hour will be from 2-3 AM on a Sunday.

    The whole thing is a make-work project that won't change a damn thing. No fine that actually means something, no meaningful changes... nothing. But everyone can claim something special was done, nothing will change, and in 2 or 3 years the same thing will happen again.

    This isn't even bread and circuses for the masses, this is crumbs. I don't call shenannigans, I call pathetic.

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    If I knew the wedgies I gave you back in 6th grade would have resulted in this . . . I might have taken a moments pause.
  80. Why is Payola Illegal Anyway? by rmckeethen · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Perhaps I'm simply ignorant or naive, but I fail to see why anyone has a problem with modern-day payola. A lot has changed since the early payola scandals of the 50s, and pay-for-play deals between radio stations and the music industry aren't what they used to be.

    Back in the days when DJs controlled which songs played on the radio, and when radio itself was seen as a public service, it made a perverse kind of sense for record labels to ply DJs with drugs, booze, women and money in an attempt get certain songs played on the radio. More airplay equates to increased record sales for the labels, making pay-for-play payola a powerful and lucrative lure for both record companies and DJs. As long as radio is perceived as a public service, payola in any form ends up looking like a bribe, and a 'dirty' bribe at that.

    Today though, a lot has changed in the radio industry. Tapes, CDs, iPods, satelite radio and, most importantly, the Internet have made the old public service arguement moot. In addition, DJs don't call the shots anymore at most radio stations, making modern payola much 'cleaner' than it once was. Nowadays, record labels don't need to offer the full battery of sinful inducements to get their songs played; cash is probably sufficent for most execs. And, when you think about it, why shouldn't it be? Pay-for-play payola is really nothing more than simple advertising, and what's wrong with that?

    If you take the sordid elements out of payola, does it really make any difference if it's Record Label X paying for three minutes of airtime to play their song, vs. Joe's Hardware store hawking hammers with their three minutes? By definition, advertising is paying for th promotion of a product or service. If Record Label X pays thousands of dollars to buy a 30-second spot suggesting you buy a particular album, how is this different from the same record label paying money to simply play a song? Where does the public lose in this scenario? Who supposedly gets hurt? Keep in mind that the independant record label issue is a red herring. Small, independant labels suffer most when payola schemes are secret and hidden, as they are today. If payola is above-board and open, if we treat it like advertising, independant labels get the same opportunities to buy airtime as the major labels now have. Keeping payola underground just raises the bar to market entry as it forces smaller labels into playing the game the way the major labels play it, ensuring that only the big boys with large wads of cash have the means to strike secret deals to have their songs played on-air. Five decades ago, payola scandals hurt both radio stations and the record industry, largely due to the public's perception that payola cheated the public service aspect of radio. Today, it's our out-dated perception of radio as a public service that causes the most harm.

    Payola has always been a problem for commercial radio, and today's settlement isn't suddenly going to change the economic conditions that create the payola problem in the first place. As long as airplay increases music sales, we'll always have payola. And, contrary to TFA, a $12 million settlement isn't going to do a single thing to improve the playlists of large commercial radio stations.

    1. Re:Why is Payola Illegal Anyway? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because the copyright and distribution rights on a song are a monopoly.

      That means they can charge what they like for the product and use that extra income to pay to remove competition.

      So part of the reason why CD's still cost so much when the production cost has fallen through the floor is that they must reap enough profit to pay for all listenable slots so that other competitors (i.e. other bands under another label) cannot be heard.

      If there was no monopoly then there would be no need to regulate payola: it wouldn't be worth it because you couldn't recoup the costs for a nationwide campaign. You may get away with local payola but the abuse is severely limited.

      But while copyright is there, there remains the abuse.

  81. Re:this explains how lindsay lohan got on the radi by Emetophobe · · Score: 1

    Hell, CDs are still essentially price fixed, and how long has that been going on?
    I believe most of the price fixing is a thing of the past. I see some CDs for $4.99 at BestBuy, yet they used to be $15-20 a few years ago, perhaps thats because no one buys CDs anymore?
  82. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by ady1 · · Score: 1

    People that actually enjoy music - These people actually like music for music's sake
    People that enjoy music that fits needs, be it popularity, etc
    Maybe I'm just too cynical and the people I hang around are dullards that don't appreciate different music. Maybe the Maybe is unnecessary.
  83. Why not a RICO prosecution? by swb · · Score: 1

    Clearly this is an "organized" crime, why not a RICO prosecution which would enable much larger fines and many of the executives involved an opportunity to get to know some of the finer Federal institutions?

    These cash-only fines do NOTHING except encourge everyone involved to up the ante to cover future fines (if they even need to -- $12.5 is probably a quarter-days advertising PROFIT for all the entities involved).

    These arrogant corporate pricks need to get the kind of life-alterting punishment the rest of us get from the government; even if it is a fine, it needs to be substantial and PERSONALLY payable by the executives involved -- to the extent that the agency collecting it both collects it from the exec's assets (confiscating and/or selling assets as required) as well as monitoring the exec's income for 10 years to insure that they are not compensated by the corporation (making the corporation and its officers criminally liable for any compensatory payments would help, too).

  84. Comeuppance FTW by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Comeuppance FTW!

  85. Is this really the "Biggest fine ever"? by hedora · · Score: 1

    It amounts to ~ $7,200 per station. How many song plays can a record producer buy for $7200? Probably not very many. The stations should at least have to fork over more money than the payola they received!

  86. Re:Indie Music Jackpot Offer! (LTO) by tepples · · Score: 1

    Speaking of searching for new indie music, anybody interested in a [to be clear: free] invitation to the members-only indietorrents.com? I've earned quite a few (through keeping a good ratio there, being nice, etc.) I just have stockpiled. What's the "normal way" to earn an invite? Does one have to be an indie recording artist himself or herself? The rules state that the tracker has what it calls "very aggressive rules for maintaining a decent share ratio", and the FAQ states that this rule is 1.0. However, it is a mathematical impossibility for everybody to have a share ratio greater than 1.0. For example, the FAQ recommends against downloading older works because they will harm a user's share ratio. The FAQ also states that a forum thread explains how to download other works without being banned, but it is visible only to established members. What is its gist before I apply for an invitation so that I don't run the risk of wasting your invitation by leaving the community after learning of its rules and rejecting them?

    It's a tracker dedicated to beautiful music made by hardworking, (mainly) DIY musicians keeping themselves far and away from the RIAA Radar's pulsewaves. The added benefit of never having to worry about a lawsuit for anything grabbed or upped on the tracker is very nice. How do the artists on this tracker avoid being sued for subconsciously copying an existing copyrighted work that they may have heard on the radio a decade ago? See Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music and Three Boys Music v. Michael Bolton.
  87. On demand in a moving vehicle? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Broadcast media in general is dying in my opinion... slowly falling to the wayside as the younger generations demand more and more "on-demand" solutions. Why listen to what "The Man" tells you, when you can listen to what you want, when you want? Because "where I want" is inside a moving car, bus, or train, and "when I want" is my commute time.
  88. Re:Indie Music Jackpot Offer! (LTO) by RogueSeven · · Score: 1

    What's the "normal way" to earn an invite?
    Invitations by association only. No "earning" involved, just asking someone who has one. Certainly you don't have to be an artist or anything.

    What is its gist before I apply for an invitation...
    What you read is very aggressively worded to kind of prompt the average user (who initially might be unknowledgeable about torrent technology) into being a contributing member (in the very least keeping a decent share ratio). Actual policies aren't nearly that strict. You're given a bunch of time to actually get your ratio respectable, on the order of gigabytes downloaded. Basically try to take a penny, leave a penny and you'll be fine. You get a "warning" followed by a "banning" for breaking certain rules, but it is pretty hard to get a warning for low ratio, unless your ratio is .1 after 10 GBs downloaded or something. As a starter, try to stick to grabbing things from the first few pages of torrents (newest), and your ratio will be good enough to then allow you into the whole catalog. Really easy.

    How do the artists on this tracker avoid being sued for subconsciously copying an existing copyrighted work that they may have heard on the radio a decade ago?
    They are very keen on insta-deleting anything that might be unsafe in this way or in other non-intuitive ways (i.e. unsafe work is sampled by safe artist, a single song on an indie compilation ends up getting sold to a major label along with the band's services, etc.) Just take the invite, I have plenty. The rules are easy to follow, and it's a successful community.
  89. Re:Indie Music Jackpot Offer! (LTO) by tepples · · Score: 1

    They are very keen on insta-deleting anything that might be unsafe in this way or in other non-intuitive ways (i.e. unsafe work is sampled by safe artist, a single song on an indie compilation ends up getting sold to a major label along with the band's services, etc.) I understand the reason behind these rules. But as a performer-songwriter, how do I prevent myself from unknowingly copying someone else's work into mine?
  90. Re:How is this "news for nerds"? by dthree · · Score: 1

    I agree, 12m is not a steep cost to do business in this arena.

    It reminds me of those insider traders that got caught and made to pay fines that amounted to small fractions of their profits.

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    "I forgot my mantra."
  91. Re:Indie Music Jackpot Offer! (LTO) by RogueSeven · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure if your question was rhetorical or not, but your point about Cryptomnesia is valid in that I can envision it becoming a standard for RIAA-represented labels making outrageous claims about stolen property (I mean, that's WHAT they DO). Also from what I can tell, this phenomenon doesn't seem to happen too often. If it does happen, I reckon it would be pretty hard for the big labels to go ahead and listen to every piece of independent music out there and judge for itself if a lawsuit would be prudent (from their point of view).