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Wikipedia's Search Engine Plan

jasonoik writes "Wikia, the commercial company founded by Wikipedia's Jimmy Wales, reveals plans for a new, editable search engine. They say that the goal of the project is to get 5% of the search market. The service does not yet an official release date. The article also leaves open the possibility that the search results may contain ads, and concludes by listing figures of the web advertisement market." Update: 03/11 17:24 GMT by KD : Wikia and Wikipedia are separate companies.

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  1. Sheesh, I read that as "edible search engine" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...which sounded delicious.

    1. Re:Sheesh, I read that as "edible search engine" by Korin43 · · Score: 3, Funny

      Problem is.. no matter what you search for, you end up eating viagra..

  2. WP is the Anti-Google by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Do No Evil" became "Be as corrupt and evil as possible."

    An "editable search engine"? Great, now even MORE of the searches I run will pop up ads for v14GR4 and enhancements for body parts I don't possess, nevermind those linkspam sites that just insert the entire fucking dictionary in metacode.

    You searched for: Bill Gates
    you got: 400 pictures of penises, vaginas, and one picture of a penis covered in something that looks like it came out of the OTHER opening.

    1. Re:WP is the Anti-Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      enhancements for body parts I don't possess

      ...you.. YOU'RE A GIRRRRRLLL!!!

      400 pictures of penises, vaginas, and one picture of a penis covered in something that looks like it came out of the OTHER opening.

      ...I love you!

    2. Re:WP is the Anti-Google by shudde · · Score: 5, Funny

      You searched for: Bill Gates you got: 400 pictures of penises, vaginas, and one picture of a penis covered in something that looks like it came out of the OTHER opening.

      The system works.

    3. Re:WP is the Anti-Google by owlnation · · Score: 4, Funny

      or more scarily, and likely...

      You searched for: Bill Gates
      You Got: Wikipedia Articles on how wonderful the second coming of Ayn Rand will be.

      You searched for: Vaginas
      You Got: Wikipedia Articles on how wonderful the second coming of Ayn Rand will be.

    4. Re:WP is the Anti-Google by vertinox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      An "editable search engine"? Great, now even MORE of the searches I run will pop up ads for v14GR4 and enhancements for body parts I don't possess, nevermind those linkspam sites that just insert the entire fucking dictionary in metacode.

      True, but to be fair I wish you could have some sort of voting system based off unique IPs.

      Every time I do a search for something, chances are I'll come across a site or two that is listed that is totally crap, spam, or blatantly used some sort of method to get hits with the search.

      If I could only vote "This is spam!", "This is crap!", "This has nothing to do with the search query!" , and "Ban this site from all search engines for all time!" then I think we would see prevalent results more than not.

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  3. New heights of vandalism? by dreamchaser · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just imagine what all those malcontents out there with too much time on their hands will do with this! It could be truly amusing.

    Not *everything* works best when edited by the hordes.

    1. Re:New heights of vandalism? by SolitaryMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Just imagine what all those malcontents out there with too much time on their hands will do with this! It could be truly amusing. Not *everything* works best when edited by the hordes.
      This is *exactly* what has been said about Wikipedia first. With things like this, you have to *try* to know for sure, so while this idea *may* not work, it definitely worth trying.
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  4. Fucking inaccurate by Ignorant+Aardvark · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wikia is not the "company" behind Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation, which is a non-profit foundation, is what's behind Wikipedia. Wikia is a totally separate for-profit company that is run by Jimbo Wales.

    1. Re:Fucking inaccurate by tomstdenis · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bah, you and your facts. Obviously you're not a Wikipedia editor. Feel the wikiality flow through you.

      Tom

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    2. Re:Fucking inaccurate by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "Wikia is not the "company" behind Wikipedia. The Wikimedia Foundation, which is a non-profit foundation, is what's behind Wikipedia. Wikia is a totally separate for-profit company that is run by Jimbo Wales."

      Your requirements for a news service are too stringent: they at least got the names kinda matching kinda nice. Plus maybe they meant behind Wikipedia in a more physical and sarcastic manner.

      Plus, they seem to be in the middle of some sort of reorganization there, every article is from a new, different department. It must be hell to do this AND still run the site without interruption.

      I want to applaud the Slashdot team for their professionalism: guys, we're behind you.

    3. Re:Fucking inaccurate by solevita · · Score: 3, Funny

      Don't worry, I'm sure there's some 24 year old somewhere who's been lecturing at top universities on the subject of something-or-other for about 20 years now, they're so enraged by this whole incident (hence the foul language) that they're typing a page up right now. Then they'll make themselves a nice little badge for their user page that reads something like "Justice Squad: Defender of Wikipedia", talk on MSN for a bit and wonder what it would be like to talk to a real girl.

      At least I think that's how Wikipedia works.

    4. Re:Fucking inaccurate by Joebert · · Score: 3, Funny

      I'm a Wikipedia administrator.

      Right, I suppose next you're going to tell us about your PhD & other certifications right ?
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    5. Re:Fucking inaccurate by Eloquence · · Score: 3, Informative

      As an elected Board member of the Wikimedia Foundation, I can assure you that your opinion is incorrect. The Board of Directors of the Wikimedia Foundation has 7 members, of which Jimmy is one. He is the Chair Emeritus, which is a title we have given him to recognize his historic role, but which does not have any legal powers or responsibilities associated with it. The Chair of the Foundation is a nice French woman named Florence Devouard; I am the Executive Secretary.

      As a tax-exempt 501(c)(3) non-profit organization, the Wikimedia Foundation also maintains a strict conflict of interest policy. So, Jimmy is not permitted to make any propositions which would advance the corporate interests of Wikia, and has indeed been completely excluded from discussions where his involvement in Wikia was relevant. (This, of course, also goes for any other corporate interests Board members may have.) In this way, Jimmy actually has less influence to promote Wikia as a Board member than he would have as a mere community member.

      Jimmy retains some community influence specifically in the English Wikipedia, but that influence is not legally anchored. He speaks frequently to the English language press, though Florence has also done a lot of interviews lately. People seem to construct from this all kinds of bizarre conspiracy theories which have no basis in reality. This is a shame, because the WMF is truly committed to making the world a better place, and needs all the support it can get.

  5. wikiality by User+956 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Wikia, the company behind wikipedia reveal plans for a new, editable search engine. They say that the goal of the project is to get 5% of the search market.

    According to Wikipedia, that goal of 5% will triple in the next six months.

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  6. Wikipedia's search sucks ass! by Weezul · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe they're first project should be: make wikipedia's internal search work correctly! It can't even handle the most basic miss-spellings now.

    If your serious about this, don't compete with google, instead partner with google and make a wiki.google.com provide google's own search results & ads, but filtered and processed in various ways, which are handled by the wiki.

    For example, you want to give only unique sites/hits but this may depend upon the host's url.

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    1. Re:Wikipedia's search sucks ass! by Rosco+P.+Coltrane · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Maybe they're first project should be: make wikipedia's internal search work correctly! It can't even handle the most basic miss-spellings now.

      You know, I've never had problems with the wikipedia search engine. More often than not, I enter something I'm looking for and it finds the correct article 95% of the time, with the spelling corrected and the missing words inserted. Of course, I have a vague idea of how what I'm looking for is spelled in the first place, perhaps I'm helping the search engine, but really so far I'm really not disappointed with it.

      At any rate, flip through a real paper encylopedia and you'll find the "search engine" (the thesaurus) to be a real pain compared to anything Wikipedia can come up with, therefore I guess for an encyclopedia, I'm happy enough with it.

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    2. Re:Wikipedia's search sucks ass! by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      More often than not, I enter something I'm looking for and it finds the correct article 95% of the time, with the spelling corrected and the missing words inserted. Of course, I have a vague idea of how what I'm looking for is spelled in the first place, perhaps I'm helping the search engine, but really so far I'm really not disappointed with it.

      Everybody can do a search engine that works with the occasional typo. Real search engines know what I mean when I'm not even close.

  7. Whoops, that search was run 2 minutes ago by Moryath · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now I search and my results are:

    "Tom is a FAG"
    "Bilbo Lives!"
    "Search engine optimization: do it the Wiki way"
    "In the year 1432, the United States of America was founded by Bill Gates and his horde of windows-operating-system killbots..."

  8. Disambiguation by Sukhbir · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The thing that really rocks about Wikipedia's search is the Disambiguation function. Even Google does not have something like this.

  9. They already have 50 percent of the search market by ckedge · · Score: 4, Insightful


    They might not realize it, but they already have 50 percent of the search market. At least 50 percent of the "Intelligentsia" search market.

    Fifty percent of the stuff I used to "look up" through a google search - I now get through wikipedia. You just have to be smart enough to know that the info you are looking for is most likely in wikipedia. And it most often is. Especially since wikipedia is so open - they've got articles for tons and tons of things that no mainstream encyclopedia would ever touch. I no longer use "fan sites" or "episode guide companies" for the episode guides of TV Series, they're all in wikipedia, and the layout and presentation is even better.

  10. If a Wikinews article were this inaccurate... by brion · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...at least it would get corrected. ;)

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  11. This sentence needs another verb or something by TheCreeep · · Score: 3, Funny

    The service does not yet an official release date.
    So when will it do an official release date?
  12. Behavioural better than editable by cyberianpan · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Problem is this will require a small band of fanatics to do the editing. Now for the "central/core-cultural" stuff that you might expect in an encyclopedia this model may work but web searches are probably more long tail/niche. Not sure that the editing group could ever be representative. Furthermore the risk of bias on small sample size gets even larger. Some of the bias mightn't even be conscious: e.g. exhibiting a preference for a rigourous page over a "dummies guide" (which might be more popular/widely useful).

    Much better would be a behaviour based search engine that inferred when users were un/happy with results- e.g. user doesn't come back for more searches or click more links on existing return.Also even say if a user does a "poor" search firstly & then uses "clearer" terms then engine ought in future suggest the "clearer" terms as alt search or even return some of the results. Indeed even better the engine might "cluster" you with other similar users & retunr more relavant results (e.g. effectively inferring that you prefer rigourous complete guides rather than dummies intros).

    This would be simpler & actually rely on the wisdom of masses rather than some central command editors, in fact this type of thinking was behind PageRank.