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Google's Best Perk — Transport

Reverse Gear writes "The New York Times has an interesting article about how different kinds of fringe benefits are starting to count more in the fight for the best brains in Silicon Valley. The article mainly focuses on Google's high-tech shuttle-bus system, which is quite extensive, covering a majority of the San Fransisco Bay area. The article quotes a transportation expert opining that Google's may be the largest such private system anywhere. One-quarter of the headquarters employees are now using it. A Google software engineer said: 'They could either charge for the food or cut it altogether... If they cut the shuttle, it would be a disaster.'"

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  1. Why not Google Housing? by Tablizer · · Score: 5, Interesting

    With the high costs and difficulty of real-estate, a Google Comune may be a good idea.

    1. Re:Why not Google Housing? by Servo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You see this type of idea in a lot of major metro areas that have very compact urban areas. It can be a win-win-win situation. Employees have less travel to work, so less stress. Less people driving/taking mass transit for long distances so the infrastructure costs become more manageable. Increased population density so there is a reduction in urban sprawl while still letting the local tax base grow.

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    2. Re:Why not Google Housing? by eck011219 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Gotta be careful, though -- George Pullman did this for his railcar company here in the Chicago area in the mid- to late-1800's, and he overstepped his bounds. He ended up housing his employees in company-owned housing, paying them in company-honored chits, and basically taking people's freedoms away one at a time. I'm not suggesting that Google is doing this, but I must admit that it rings some bells. Separation from work is good, and housing owned by your company seems to put a lot of eggs in one basket. It's a one-stop shop -- get fired and evicted all in the same week!

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    3. Re:Why not Google Housing? by goraknotsteve · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So the geek community not known for getting their fair share of exercise have no reason to walk/cycle 15 minutes to work anymore when they can just get the elevator/company transport. My bed is three miles away from my desk which makes for an enjoyable - if often cold and damp - 30 minute round trip to work each day. There needs to be some work/life balance here and not the unhealthy aspect of living where you work.

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    4. Re:Why not Google Housing? by geobeck · · Score: 3, Interesting

      -25C in Toronto? That must have been a pretty extreme year. The couple of Christmases I was there, it was above freezing, and my grandparents never usually saw more than a sprinkling of snow. Where I'm from (northern Manitoba), -30C is a normal daytime temperature in January, and +30C is normal in July. The extremes are -55C and +40C. That's 95C difference (over 200F). That's extreme. That's why advances in energy efficient housing come from the prairies (and the American great plains).

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  2. Re:In saner parts of the world... by GregPK · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Just think of the engineering discussions and the kinds of networking that would go on if they shared the transportation system. Intel employees could bounce ideas off of google ones creating a rather good synergy for building up servers, etc.. Really I don't know what company wouldn't want thier employees on that bus especially if google was a potential customer for them.

  3. Emery-Go-Round by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    There's a free shuttle service in Emeryville, Ca (SFBay Area) that's funded by commercial property owners. Not only do the employees of the funders benefit but so does the surrounding community. Very nice!

  4. Great News by Cocoshimmy · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Hopefully this means what the author is suggesting: That in the future a shuttle service will become an essential part of the benefits package offered by large employers. Imagine if other major employers such as Microsoft, Boeing, AMD and others implemented such programs in areas with otherwise high traffic like Seattle, Austin, and of course the SF bay area? It would reduce stress for everyone, alleviate traffic, reduce the demand and price for gas, reduce air pollution (and as a result health care costs), and make people realize that mass transit is a viable option for North America.

    1. Re:Great News by p0tat03 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Instead of everyone running their own private shuttles, hopefully what this means is that we will see collaboration to fund a comprehensive public transport system that is ubiquitous and truly competitive with private transport.

      In too many cities bus and rail service is so poor that it is mainly reserved for the poor and those with no other choice. I have lived and worked in many cities whose transit systems take after this model. It is incredibly discouraging and hypocritical - to harp about the environment and the virtues of public transit, but to maintain a system that is so slow, so unavailable, and so dirty and dangerous that no one with the income ability will choose to ride it.

      Hopefully if companies become serious about funding transport for employees we will see some *real* transit choices in cities.

      I live in Ottawa, Canada, and it has one of the better transit systems I've seen anywhere. There is a bus-only roadway that spans the entire city, which permits buses to go ludicrously fast with no traffic lights, and stops are designed hub-style, where extremely rapid buses come every 3 minutes and take you to the next hub, from which you can transfer onto local buses. It's not perfect, but it works remarkably well, and is MUCH better than the VAST majority of cities have.

  5. Telecommuting is still better by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Interesting
    The only hassle with Google is that you need to show up to make use of all their other perks.

    With a broadband connection you can work from home just as easily as from a cube. I've been doing that for years as an employee. As a moonlighting consultant I often work for people I have never seen in countries I have never been to.

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  6. At some point... by rindeee · · Score: 4, Interesting

    ...doesn't it become a better idea to simply move Googleplex to a new location that isn't overcrowded, overpriced, etc.? Perhaps (in all seriousness) Google could move the headquarters to a more rural location. Employees could afford to live in mansions? Could drive to work without rush hour, etc. COMMS shouldn't be an issue...just run some fiber. Shoot, Google owns half the dark fiber (exaggerating of course) in the country anyway. Anyway, just thinking out loud.

  7. Interesting Side Note: Neil's Son by dancingmad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    As an interesting side note, the Michael Gaiman they quote is the son of author Neil Gaiman (The Sandman, Neverwhere, American Gods, etc.). I read the article and was surprised, because Neil mentioned his son choosing Google over Apple a month or two back on his blog. Sure enough, visited his blog after reading it and it is indeed him.

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  8. Re:Google is not the first to provide such perks. by mindsuck · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in Buenos Aires IBM does the same thing, as well as shuttles from and to some urban areas.

    I'm guessing similar services are available in other places as well

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  9. Paranoid by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1, Interesting

    These are tech companies Calling me paranoid doesn't mean that tech companies are philanthropic. They exist to make a profit.

    Naive much? Or just trolling? Don't be ashamed to admit it.
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  10. Re:Cost Cutting - Business Judgment Rule by triclipse · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Google is a corporation. The corporation is run by its Board of Directors. The decision to use transport such as this is protected by the Business Judgment Rule. In other words, unless the Board Members are violating their duty of care or duty of loyalty to Google's owners (shareholders), then no, the shareholders can't do anything beyond suggesting to the Board that this is not he best way to run the company. A "court "will not substitute its own notions of what is or is not sound business judgment."

    As someone else note, Google's owners own 100% of the company - I believe you meant "founders" or perhaps "directors."

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  11. It's the way shared transit should be by squarooticus · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is the way shared transit should be: discriminatory.

    Part of the reason I hate public transit is the other people on the bus/train/plane with me: there are the ones who smell, the ones who talk to themselves, the ones who start ranting, the ones who panhandle, and the ones who won't fucking shut up and let me read.

    If you discriminate on the basis of employment, you are likely to eliminate most of these bad behaviors, maybe with the exception of the ones who talk to themselves. Oh, and maybe smelling, depending on how many engineers there are on the bus. :)

    In all seriousness, though, this makes the concept of shared transit palatable. I stopped taking the commuter rail after an incident in which a strung-out druggie was "escorted" off the train at the cost of over an hour. And you know what? Because it's public transit, that same person can get back on the train and cause problems the very next time she is freed from jail/rehab again.

    Forget how you've been brainwashed. Discrimination on some criteria is good.

    Finally, I should throw in a point about how this transit is entirely voluntary. There is no robbery (i.e., taxation) involved in paying for it. Google does it because they have determined that it is probably making them more profitable. If the experiment succeeds, other tech companies will probably start doing the same thing, perhaps even combining efforts. And it doesn't cost me a penny that I don't choose to spend. Contrast this with public transit in Boston, for instance, where the fare pays only 1/4 of the actual cost of the system, the rest being stolen from the taxpayers of Boston, Massachusetts, and the rest of the US (in decreasing degrees) at the point of a gun.

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  12. Why "Americans" hate public transport. by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Amen to that. Alas, Americans think mass transit is evil.

    Here's the thing with mass transit. I've lived in a variety of areas, from honestly rural (and I don't mean exurban, I mean rural), to highrise ferret cages, and most of the opposition to mass transit is in the suburbs or low-density urban areas.

    The objection is pretty simple: if you bring mass transit into an area, it decreases the cost of living, because it no longer means you need to own a car. That means more people, particularly low-income people who might consume more services than they pay in (local) taxes, and thus it's a Bad Thing. There's also a lot of latent racism tied up in it, too, particularly if you have predominantly white suburbs lying outside urban areas with substantial non-white populations. But in my experience the racial influence is somewhat overstated; I'd say the single biggest factor that really scares suburbanites is that public transport will bring out young, low-income families who will overtax the public school systems (which as anyone who's lived in one of these places can attest to, are the centers of political and social power). Any proposal that might somehow negatively impact schools is a No-Go.

    I've seen suburban and exurban 'bedroom communities' fight absolutely tooth and nail to keep out bus services, in particular. (Rail services seem to engender less opposition -- perhaps because you generally still need a car in order to get to the train station, so therefore it's less offensive.) Until you've seen one of these disputes in person, it's tough to appreciate the tenacity with which people will fight what seems at first glance to be a common-sense, win-win proposal. I've seen people pitch absolutely brilliant transportation schemes at local town council meetings, without realizing the minefield they were walking into, and that they were doomed from the beginning by factors essentially outside their control.

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