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Using Google Earth to See Destruction

An anonymous reader writes "On Monday, an environmental advocacy group [Appalachian Voices] joined with Google to deliver a special interactive layer for Google Earth. This new layer will tell "the stories of over 470 mountains that have been destroyed from coal mining, and its impact on nearby ecosystems. Separately, the World Wildlife Fund has added the ability to visit its 150 project sites using Google Earth."

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  1. yamato! by User+956 · · Score: 5, Funny

    On Monday, an environmental advocacy group [Appalachian Voices] joined with Google to deliver a special interactive layer for Google Earth.

    What a letdown. By "special interactive layer", I was expecting shared control of an orbiting laser cannon.

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    1. Re:yamato! by NewNole2001 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It's not google earth, rather MS Virtual Earth, but check out weather.com. They're overlaying live weather radar on virtual earth. It's really cool.

    2. Re:yamato! by maxume · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Have not tried it:

      http://www.srh.noaa.gov/ridge/kmzgenerator.php

      (I knew that had georef images, but I didn't know they had this)

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  2. the mountains are our future homes by jerbenn · · Score: 4, Funny

    We have to quit destroying all the mountains. We will need them to live on after all the coal we burn causes the water levels to rise due to global warming.

  3. The solution is easy. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny
  4. The real story by argoff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... should be that the US has a 200-800 year supply of coal, and if OPEC or anyone else in the world says "screw the US", the US can just turn around and say "screw you". Coal can be processed to make fuel too. We shouldn't sell our independence and liberty down the river for the sake of some enviromental cause. Even if we used all the coal, only the tiniest percential of mountains would even have noticable changes.

    1. Re:The real story by kqc7011 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Was the coal burned in power plants to power Googles server farms?

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    2. Re:The real story by DeathElk · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A smarter and better option is to increase R & D into renewable energy. My employer's father (and the company founder) converted internal combustion engines to run off coal during WWII out of sheer necessity. Not a minor engineering feat. Performing this on a widespread scale carries far less insight than developing new technology, such as hydrogen.

    3. Re:The real story by mdmkolbe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Um ... Hydrogen isn't a renewable energy source. It is an energy storage mechanism. So we'll probably burn coal to make Hydrogen that we can than use to power our cars. (Hydro and wind don't yet scale up well enough, and most people are scared of nuclear.) Coal plants generally burn cleaner than gas cars due to efficiencies of scale so it's still a net win, but people need to stop thinking that Hydrogen fixes all our energy problems.

    4. Re:The real story by rubberchickenboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We shouldn't sell our independence and liberty down the river for the sake of some enviromental cause.

      Ignoring environmental causes will "sell our independence and liberty down the river" quite thoroughly, thank you.

      And I think you have it backward: others are saying "screw the US" because we have said, so often, "screw you."

    5. Re:The real story by Mark_MF-WN · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Coal CAN be extracted from the earth in a less destructive manner. It can even be burnt in a relatively clean fashion with minimal emissions, if one is willing to build plants that are marginally more expensive.

      Granted, nuclear beats coal on all of those counts and the US is VERY friendly with two of the nations with the largest supplies (Australia, and everybody's favourite exploiter of Yankee overpopulation, Canada). Still, with just a bit of effort and will, America could satisfy both environmental concerns and industrial concerns using coal. Nuclear power and America's bountiful wind and tidal resources just make the picture that much sweeter.

    6. Re:The real story by div_2n · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You've obviously never seen the devastation caused by slurry "dams" breaking and flooding valleys with the muck. Or never had to deal with the dust generated by the mining or the pollution to the groundwater. I can guess you've never had to meet a coal truck on small country road at night in a blind curve. And we haven't even gotten to mud runoff from bare mountains yet. Forget Google Earth. If you've never seen the ugliness left behind by mountain top removal up close and personal, then you can't truly understand how bad it really is.

      The problem that most people don't get is that many of the people who stand to feel the negative effects from this type of mining are those that actually live there. On the average, they don't have any clout or power to do anything about it. Even worse--they often make their living from it so that it is needed as much as it is hated.

      Want to extract energy from Appalachia? Heck, if you're willing to turn the beautiful mountain views into a wasteland, just stick lots and lots of windmills on top of the mountains. 50 to 100 feet off the tops of the mountains, the wind blows quite strongly virtually all the time. At least that way the people in the valleys can still drink their well water.

    7. Re:The real story by bergeron76 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Friend - we haven't sold our independence and liberty down the river. We've squandered it away to rich Oil Companies and knownothing voters.

      We've been too busy worrying about Linux vs. Windows to worry about old-fashioned buzzwords like Freedom, Liberty and Independence.

      We are reaping what we are sowing. Most Americans care more about movies about comic book heroes, Latte coffee drinks, and purporting to be holy while cursing the latest football/spectator sport game. We don't have time for silliness like, OUR FREEDOMS and WHAT THEY WILL HAVE MEANT WHEN THEY ARE GONE.

      So, who's up for a game of WoW?

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  5. hydrogen by falconwolf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So we'll probably burn coal to make Hydrogen that we can than use to power our cars.

    Actually reforming natural gas makes a better source of hydrogen than coal. The best way to produce hydrogen though may be using algae to produce it.

    Falcon
  6. What's the range on that? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 3, Funny

    Suppose that Google gives 10 shoulder-fired missile launchers and an arsenal of 200 missiles to the guerillas in Peru. In exchange, the Peruvian guerillas agree to kill 50 poachers and blow up 10 Korean fishing vessels.

    Those would be some sort of impressive shoulder-fired missiles, to hit Korean fishing vessels from Peru...

    Unless those Koreans are really going out of the way to get their fish, that is.

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  7. Organisations should make more use GIS like this by FromTheHorizon · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I think this sort of think is a great example of how Non Government Organizations (NGOs) can make great use of GIS (Geographic Information Systems).

    More NGOs should follow this example and use technology like Google Earth to show where they are working, and what they are doing. This gives people a better idea of where the money they donate is being spent. It also gives people a better idea of what work needs to be done, be it to protect the environment, or to reduce poverty (although the two are fundamentally linked) - this is how technology should be used to make the world a smaller place. What would be great if WWF included on the ground photos of their program activities, so people could take a virtual tour of what was being done.

    The next step is for NGOs to use GIS to help them with their work. A good example which I came across was in a refugee camp in Uganda, where they plotted to locations of Cholera outbreaks, and then compared this to the location of all the wells. Some of the wells showed high concertrations of outbreaks around them, indicating that they were contaminated - and so they were closed down. This is just a basic example, GIS could be used to make really interesting correlations between education, poverty and the environment.

    However I work for an NGO and know how slow they are to adopt new technology, but that's a whole different story...

  8. genocide by ridl · · Score: 5, Interesting

    the flippant nature of the conversation so far kind of disgusts me. I worked for some of these campaigns in West Virginia a couple summers ago, and what's going on down there is terrifying and, in my mind, evil.

    The term isn't strip mining. This is worse. They call it Mountaintop Removal Mining, although really they destroy entire mountain ranges, then shovel the rubble into what were valleys, destroying thousands of miles of freshwater creeks. The work takes a crew of no more than a couple dozen, whereas traditional "deep" mining needs hundreds, so the jobs that the Appalachian hill culture depends on have disappeared along with drinking water, wildlife habitat, and resident's health. The destruction is complete. The mountains, their ecosystems, and the cultures they support will never return. Dirty King Coal, meanwhile, reaps unprecedented profits.

    Remember, energy from coal is anything but clean. Coal plants push massive amounts of carbon into the atmosphere, accelerating the mass extinction we all are witness to.

    What's happening in Apallachia, one of Project Censored's 25 most censored stories of 2005, is a crime against humanity and the planet. I applaud Google for helping to bring attention to it. If any of you feel like helping in this struggle, www.climateaction.net/mjsb is a good place to start.

  9. Re:uranium mining by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Buddy, if we could find some way to turn Roses into the most efficient fuel known to man, there would be people opposed to having rose-plantations near their house. It's called "NIMBY", and you'll find that a case of it exists for any project worth pursuing.

  10. Link to the tutorial by helge · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those who actually want to try out this, go to http://ilovemountains.org/memorial_tutorial/. It describes which layers to turn on in Google Earth to be able to see the Appalachian mountains removal.

  11. Greenpeace founder debunks environmental myths by gd23ka · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Environmentalism has overextended its welcome in the public mind and it's time people talked about
    the issues _behind_ environmentalism, instead of picking up a cue sheet of things to moan about from
    your local environmentalist outfit.

    Man-made or naturally occuring CO2, the latest science shows that neither are the cause of global
    warming but a symptom. Looking at the data first the temperatures go up and _then_ CO2 lagging after
    the temperature curve of hundreds of years. I suppose they prefer to talk about 470 mountains and
    hills instead. Those are obviously man-made.

    Don't believe me, go and watch this BBC documentary titled "The Global Warming Swindle" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XttV2C6B8pU

    Dr. Patrick Moore, founder of Greenpeace makes an appearance in that documentary so you might
    want to hear it from the mouth of the horse itself.

  12. Re:Scary and revealing by c6gunner · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Says a lot. "better people" -- are you saying that military people are better than civilians? That's funny because constitutionally, the military is subserviant to civilian rule
    Yes, I, as a man who offers his life for his nation, am subservient to the drunken bum sleeping in a puddle of his own feeces, and the college student who wants to turn my nation into a Communist Dream (tm). Just because they have power over me, doesn't mean that they're in any way better than I am. We GIVE you power over us precisely because we wish to REMAIN better men - we have no desire to turn into power-hungry tyrants ruling over a military dictatorship. Just don't for a minute imagine that these allocations of power somehow make YOU superior.