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Russia's War on Piracy/Malicious Software

tmk writes "Russian minister Leonid Reiman has announced new legislation to fight software piracy. According to official information the share of pirated software in the Russian Federation decreased in the last years from 90 to 60 percent. Reiman dismissed as a myth the impression that many viruses originate in his country: 'Viruses are written all over the world. Russia is waging a consistent and successful war on malicious software.' Reiman calls for an international organization to fight Internet crime. Last year Russia agreed to take down Allofmp3 after the United States intervened."

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  1. I can't wait by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Russia agreed to shut down Allofmp3
    "The government will be expected to begin complying by June 1, 2007."

    They only agreed to it is so they could get into the WTO.
    We'll see how strong their resolve is & how quickly Allofmp3 returns.

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  2. Allofmp3 by Venik · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Allofmp3 is still alive and well. What happens to it in June, when new legislation is enabled, is not at all clear. I doubt they will just disappear. As to levels of software piracy in Russia, I doubt they are as high as in the US.

    1. Re:Allofmp3 by bockelboy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Uh... you've never been to Russia, have you?

      Walk to the subway station, and there are about 5 vendors who will happily sell you pirated version of any music CD, most DVDs, and almost any software for $5.

      While there are plenty of people who download software in the US, you'll have a hard time finding that sort of rampant piracy in the US.

      In fact, in Russia, I only remember one store where I could buy non-pirated CDs. The piracy isn't even the same order of magnitude.

    2. Re:Allofmp3 by cyclone96 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Walk to the subway station, and there are about 5 vendors who will happily sell you pirated version of any music CD, most DVDs, and almost any software for $5.

      I actually put that to the test last time I was in Moscow. Was in one of the high end shopping districts near Red Square and walked up to one of the multitudes of CD street vendors. Asked her if she had Borat (which had been released to theaters only a couple of weeks before, and is actually banned in Russia).

      Yup, had it. Just under the table. Commanded a premium price though, I seem to remember it was around 300 rubles (about $10).

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    3. Re:Allofmp3 by drix · · Score: 5, Funny

      Uh... you've never been to Russia, have you?

      Actually, I am from Russia. Rarely has the entire essence of what this site stands for been summed up in so few lines.
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    4. Re:Allofmp3 by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 2, Funny

      Meh. Why go all the way to Moscow? It's just as easy to go to Canal Street in New York City for anything from DVDs to designer watches and bags to surprisingly good salsa.

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  3. Re:obligatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Regarding intellectual property, the Soviet Russia joke is (unfortunately) more accurate when reversed :

    e.g. : In Soviet Russia, you own your software, in America your software owns you.

  4. Re:yarr, malicious software must go... by Aladrin · · Score: 4, Funny

    First of all, 'thy' is improperly used.

    Second, you've got the word 'but' and 'pirates' MUCH too close to each other for my liking.

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  5. Eye witness report. by rumith · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I am system administrator in a large nuclear physics institute in Moscow, which is by no mere coincidence a vital part of the Russian internet backbone. Since my day one I've been advocating Linux and free software, and here's the fruit: already about 10% of the institute's workers, including the director himself, use various distributions of Linux [mostly Ubuntu/Debian, Mandriva and Red Hat]. Besides, I'm currently engaged in talks with Sun regarding our migration to Sun Ray, which will run on a customized Debian system.

    I believe that if the result will look as I expect it to, the university [it's the largest university in Russia and AFAIK Europe] which we are a significant part of might break off Microsoft crap in toto, although this statement can be considered a pure speculation at this moment.

    1. Re:Eye witness report. by rumith · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It is connected if you engage your brain a little, little troll. The piracy-fighting hype [among which was the physics faculty wide order to remove all the pirated software from faculty computers before March, 31th] was one of the reasons the migration was started in the first place. So I brought this in to show that yes, the piracy rate is decreasing, but not quite the way Microsoft and BSA would like it to.

    2. Re:Eye witness report. by heinousjay · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So all I had to do was add context not suggested by either the article, or your post, and it all made sense. I can see how that's reasonable.

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    3. Re:Eye witness report. by Alsee · · Score: 2, Funny

      Free software IS piracy!

      Damn Russian communists!

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  6. Re:Damn! by ScrewMaster · · Score: 3, Funny

    No, I think Damn is still producing cracks, but I could be wrong.

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  7. Imperialism by iamacat · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Why else would a country enact laws against the interests of both country's population and its future economic power? I can see limited term copyright laws being beneficial in Russia, but only with exemptions for income levels and educational use. How does anyone benefit from a kid being computer illiterate because his parents one year salary still can not buy Vista, Office and Photoshop? If one day oil cartel countries force US women to wear burkas, you will know how that feels. Stop mucking with democratically chosen laws of sovereign nations.

    1. Re:Imperialism by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Why else would a country enact laws against the interests of both country's population and its future economic power?

      To keep your domestic cultural product -- your cultural heritage -- from being utterly extinquished by cheap foreign imports?

      Copy Wrong: Internet Piracy and Dickens and Melville

      To help build and protect an export market?

      How much do you suppose "James Bond" and "Harry Potter" have returned to the UK? J.K. Rowling went from being on the dole to being richer than the Queen in under ten years.

    2. Re:Imperialism by stubear · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Stop mucking with democratically chosen laws of sovereign nations."

      Russia is requesting membership into the WTO and part one of the requirements is to respect international copyright law. They are more than welcome to ignore international copyright laws all they want but it will come at the cost of not being allowed membership into the WTO.

    3. Re:Imperialism by MadJo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But do they really need more than 50 years of monopoly on their copyrighted material?
      How long did it take JK Rowling to earn that much money? Certainly not the amount of time that currently is set in the copyright laws. It's just too long. A lot of great content is locked up by this law, no one in this generation will ever learn of them if this law will still stand.

      I'm not against copyright laws, but the ones in place right now are outright ludicrous in regards to amount of time they span.

  8. Re:War on piracy...pffft! by richie2000 · · Score: 3, Informative

    What we need is a war on copyright. That's your REAL piracy, right there. The only legitimate issue is plagiarism. Everything else is no different from the old railroad monopolies maintaining their turf. It is pure robbery. That's only too true. Fortunately, there are some freedom fighters left: http://pirate-party.us/ , http://www2.piratpartiet.se/international/english
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  9. Re:Stop the slanting by h2g2bob · · Score: 2, Funny

    Keep calling it pirating - pirates are cool!

  10. Yup, businesses now get audited and sued by melted · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Heard of this from a sysadmin friend who lives in Saratov, Russia. His company got raided and its owner was dragged to court and had to pay fines. Fines were substantial. He was also required to comply with licensing requirements in full, so fines weren't his only expenditure. I tried to "sell" them on Linux at least on the servers, but the boss is afraid of anything "free as in beer" now.

  11. Re:Stop the slanting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative
    OED:

    2. The unauthorized reproduction or use of an invention or work of another, as a book, recording, computer software, intellectual property, etc., esp. as constituting an infringement of patent or copyright; plagiarism; an instance of this.
    [1654 J. MENNES Recreation for Ingenious Head-peeces clxxvi, All the wealth, Of wit and learning, not by stealth, Or Piracy, but purchase got.] 1700 E. WARD Journey to Hell II. vii. 14 Piracy, Piracy, they cry'd aloud, What made you print my Copy, Sir, says one, You're a meer Knave, 'tis very basely done. 1770 P. LUCKOMBE Conc. Hist. Printing 76 They..would suffer by this act of piracy, since it was likely to prove a very bad edition. 1855 D. BREWSTER Mem. Life I. Newton (new ed.) I. iv. 71 With the view of securing his invention of the telescope from foreign piracy. 1886 Cent. Mag. Feb. 629/1 That there are many publishers who despise such piracy..does not remove the presumption that publishers and papermakers have been influential opponents of an equitable arrangement. 1977 Gramophone Apr. 1527/3 Governments have begun to realize that unauthorized reproduction of records (so-called piracy) adversely affects also the rights of..composers, authors and performers. 1996 China Post (Taipei) 1 May 16/3 Authorities here said they have cracked down on piracy in recent years, but foreign computer firms claim they are still soft on piracy.

    The term "piracy" has been used in this context for centuries. Nobody, reading about piracy as in copyright infringement, makes any mental association with the original definition of pirate in any way, since the alternate definition is something they have grown up with. If you want proof, just look at The Pirate Bay. If they honestly thought there would be serious negative connotations, would they name it that? It's not like the term "theft", where there are valid reasons to argue it (e.g., the fact that theft is still a very real problem in people's minds, thus equating the two could sway their opinion). Get over it.
  12. Re:Copyright and fascism by teh+kurisu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The US is just defending their interests abroad. They are the largest exporter of copyrighted material in the world, and large-scale copyright infringement abroad can have an effect on American jobs.

    All copyrightists are scum.

    By that logic, people who use the GPL are scum, since it is copyright law that prevents non-GPL derivatives.

  13. Re:Copyright and fascism by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    GPL users aren't copyrightists - the FSF line has always been "Without copyright, the GPL would be unenforceable. It would also be unnecessary.". Using copyright doesn't make you a copyrightist - supporting copyright law does.

    As to hurting american jobs? So what - you're making the classic "broken window fallacy" error. Should we all smash windows to keep glaziers employed?

    And do bear in mind that international opinion of the USA is at an all-time low - there are plenty of people who wouldn't normally even think to infringe copyright, but once they hear america claiming that doing so might hurt USA's interests, they do so with abandon,

  14. Re:Copyright and fascism by Seumas · · Score: 4, Insightful

    We already embrace draconian copyright law and we already monitor all transmissions (it's called echelon or whatever they're calling it these days).

    And for people who are going to say "hey, the RIAA/MPAA/BSA/US Government are only protecting our interests abroad!"... um... no. They are only protecting corporate interests abroad and doing so by manipulating and demanding how other nations will behave.

    This is a case of American corporations not liking the laws other nations have within their own borders. The reason we want to change their laws and force them to abide by our broken copyright systems is the same reason we want them to become democracies and the same reason that we allow corporations to do business in countries that are a risk to our nation by threat of military actions, spying and have terribly humanitarian records. That reason being that corporations have saturated existing markets. Everyone who is going to by a Justin Timberlake CD in America, Austrlia and the United Kingdom already has done so. To continue expanding their corporations, they need to expand into new markets.

    Helping bring other countries into competition with us at the expense of our own nation and citizens will eventually level them off to a point where they can all afford to buy our CDs and DVDs and videogames, as long as their legal systems and copyright systems (which we will force them to devise and comply with to our liking). Meanwhile, the average person in America and the UK can have their lifestyles seriously reduced in quality before they will no longer be capable or willing to buy content from these corporations.

  15. Re:War on piracy...pffft! by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The call to arms from the privileged elite.

    Yeah. Just like the old days. Kinda makes me nostalgic.

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  16. What about all the other AllofMyMP3s-like sites? by Sad+Adam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah right. There are literally 10s of other AllofMyMp3 like sites. They have flourished like mushrooms. And not just in Russia. They seem to run out of every former Soviet republic.

    Not to mention the incredibly effective job that street based anti-piracy enforcement has achieved.Not.

    At best, it provides another opportunity for the cops to shake down stall holders.

      I think you will find anyone selling pirated CDs finds it easier to pay the cops or copyright inspects an "on the spot fine". That way everyone is happy. The CD software seller gets to keep doing business, the cop is paid, the cops boss gets a cut, and business continues.

    What are you worried about? This is the market is supposed to work, after all.

  17. Re:War on piracy...pffft! by The+PS3+Will+Fail · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You actually believe there's no benefit whatsoever to copyright? I haven't heard this a lot. Most people want to see copyright reformed - with reasonable limits on exclusivity before the content enters the public domain. Is it your opinion that copyright just shouldn't exist? And if that is the case, do you also see no value whatsoever in what copyright offers?

  18. Re:Stop the slanting by M.+Baranczak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    OK, fine. You're not a "pirate". You're a "data duplicator". And the RIAA still wants to sue your ass.

  19. Re:Allofmp3.com shut down? by fyoder · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It operates within Russian law. There are two ways they can shut it down
    1. Poison everyone involved with radioactive pellets.
    2. Change the law so that allofmp3.com is operating outside it.

    Basically, American perception that the Russian gov't is shutting down allofmp3.com is a misperception, and one which I suspect the Russians are happy not to correct. Perhaps they'll get around to changing the law, but remember that allofmp3.com pays a cut to some Russian licensing agency -- not sure where that money goes, but wouldn't surprise me if money is finding its way into gov't coffers (or politicians' pockets?)

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  20. Re:Copyright and fascism by EzInKy · · Score: 2, Interesting


    Yeah, just keep in mind that when that same government is mugging you for crappy things like Socialist Security et al., those thuggings are somehow OK.

    Because CNN said so.


    Actually Social Security began long before CNN was even a gleam in Ted's eye in an attempt to keep the millions of hopeless people from "thugging" the rich at a time when pure capitalism proved to be a great failure.

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  21. Re:yarr, malicious software must go... by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Your guess is right. The actor playing Long John Silver in this movie started this "pirate dialect" tradition that included "arr" and "matey".

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  22. Giggleski by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 2, Funny

    > "Russian minister Leonid Reiman has announced new legislation to fight software piracy."

    Oh Mercy Me! It's great to begin my week with a good joke!

  23. Why don't they develop their own software? by Supercooldude · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You'd think that a large and relatively modern country like Russia would be developing all its own software and wouldn't need to pirate software made by American companies.

    1. Re:Why don't they develop their own software? by muuh-gnu · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldnt that be a collosal wste of time, money and human ressources better spent at something else?

      And btw, they aren't "pirating" anything, they are sharing stuff that works for them with their fellow men. Why should it be their problem when some greedy-as-fuck overseas copyright fascists want to censor interpersonal communication and information exchage?

  24. Re:Copyright and fascism by mrbluze · · Score: 3, Funny

    What I'd like to know is, why does everything have to be a "War on Something" nowadays?

    The more they advertise something, the more likely that "something" is the opposite of what's stated. For example:

    • Department of Health = Department of The Sick
    • Freedom of Information = Prevention of access to information
    • Working for Government Benefits = Working for Practically Nothing
    • War on Terror = War on Peace

    Let's declare war on war!

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  25. To be precise by dallaylaen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    To be precise, in Russia you own someone else's software.

    The American part should be changed accordingly.

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