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Data Centers Breathe Easier With Less Oxygen
PC World is reporting that some companies are looking at a new method of fire protection in their server closets, oxygen-deprivation systems.""Wood stops burning when the oxygen content falls to 17 percent and plastic cables between 16 to 17 percent, said Frank Eickhorn, product manager for fire detection at Wagner Alarm and Security Systems GmbH in Hanover, Germany. Wagner makes electric compressors that use a special membrane to remove some of the oxygen from the outside air, a system the company calls OxyReduct. The excess oxygen is exhausted, and the remaining nitrogen-rich air is pumped inside the data center."
...er, so to speak. But it can't hold a candle to the burning excitement of watching pasty-faced geeks burn out, run out of steam, and pass out in a low-oxygen environment.
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Hehe, I can just picture Simon locking someone in one of these and slowly dialing down the oxygen until he gets that raise or perk or whatever he's after.
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Now mountain climbing, hang gliding, and other low oxygen sports will be important on my resume!!
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Just imagine the new employee first day: ...
- Here is your cube
- Here is your chair
- Here is your scuba gear
RTFA, the oxygen content in the air would be the same as living at around 2000-3000m which people certainly do without ill effects.
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Fire needs oxygen. More on this one as it comes in.
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Although I'm sure this is safe for day-to-day operations (for low-altitude data centers) and will prevent a self-sustaining blaze, I'd bet that a smoldering powersupply would convert an unpleasant fraction of the low-oxygen atmosphere into carbon monoxide. Oxygen-staved combustion tends to produce this deadly gas (which kills by binding to hemoglobin better than does oxygen)
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The lower oxigen content just means that fires will not selfsustain. But if you have an external source for energy input, like the short you mentioned, thngs will still get hot and start to smoke. The chances are just a bit better that it does not cause a full-on fire.
You are not supposed to be working all the time in the serverroom anyway, it's much too noisy in there and your 200Watt of heat production would be much better used to warm your office.
In other words: you would have noticed that fire too late anyway if you had to rely on the amount of smoke coming from it.
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Its not exactly the same as being at 6000ft, its just similar from the perspective of how easily a human can breath. Higher altitudes have the same percentage of oxygen in the air, they just have lower air pressure, meaning less of all of its components. The lower altitude air will still be higher pressure, but with less oxygen. In terms of breathing, we just care about the partial pressure of oxygen, but thats not all that matters when it comes to whether something will burn.
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But it can't hold a candle to the burning excitement of watching pasty-faced geeks burn out, run out of steam, and pass out in a low-oxygen environment.
Watch an out-o'-shape pasty-tubby try to ride a bicycle some time: with all his belabored breathing, one would think he was climbing Everest instead of pedaling on level ground.
I, of course, am in perfect shape, with nary an ounce of extraneous tissue to be seen...
*looks around furtively*
*runs away*
*collapses after 30 yards*
I want to drag this out as long as possible. Bring me my protractor.
We had a similar issue when with the proliferation of large power-stations: water was pumped into cooling towers and then dumped in rivers. The cooling process de-oxygenated the water and this obviously meant the 'poisoning' of rivers (fish unable to breathe etc). We have a similar situation here. Only this time, the facility actually holds on to the oxygen. Why not mix it with the exhaust air (I'm sure it's not completely recirculated?) and avoid the potential for a similar situation. I know TFA says it's beathable, but it's worth considering the option nonetheless. Not all animals are humans. Remember what scale datacentres operate on, and which direection they're going in (they're not getting smaller). Has the potential not to be a significant issue...
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Not only are server rooms windowless, freakishly cold, and with uncomfortable chairs, but now they asphyxiate you too.
Boss (on telephone to sysadmin in data centre): "I'm sorry Dave, but your recent conduct just hasn't been acceptable. I've decided to invoke the disciplinary procedure, and having discussed this with Mr. Flibble we've decided that this warrants 2 hours of W.O.O."
Sysadmin: "What's W.O.O.?"
Boss: "With
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Redesignate the open floor space as the management conference room. The oxygen will be sucked out in no time.
No, we exhale about 19% oxygen normaly. The bigger problem with rebreathing your own air is the buildup of CO2. That's why the astronauts on Apollo 13 were more worried about their scrubbers than their oxygen supply.
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Not only can it prevent fires but it also help systems administrators train for the olympics.
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Great, now I have to wear a wireless bluetooth headset AND an oxygen mask when I'm on a tech support in the Data Center.
The guys in HR already call me "space man."
No, at 6000 feet there is still the same percentage of oxygen in the air, but at a lower pressure. This removes oxygen from the air. For a same volume of space it would have as much oxygen as a similar volume at 6000 feet.
Something will burn with the lower concentration of oxygen, but would be much less likely to ignite into open flame. It'd smolder slowly, and give you much more time to react to it.
It's a confusing analogy to explain a simple technical concept, because tech writers assume everybody is beneath their intelligence. Like putting too much air in a balloon.
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AFAIK, the percentage of oxygen is no different at altitude than at sea level, it is just the pressure of atmosphere is lower. So if I had to wager a guess, I would say that combustion is dependant on concentration of O2 per mass, and respiration is dependant on concentration of O2 per volume, which is why a smaller percentage of O2 has a greater effect on combustion then on respiration.
A few decades ago I served on a submarine. The oxygen generator stopped working for a while, and for operational reasons we couldn't snorkel for fresh air. The percentage of oxygen dropped below the point where combustion is supported, so the smokers were out of luck. People's lungs respond to the partial pressure of oxygen in air, not the absolute percentage, so the crew including myself were fine, since we were only at about the equivalent of 10,000 feet (US units). I always wondered wouldn't it be safer from a fire prevention standpoint to always operate like that.
Halons work to extinguish fire using several mechanisms. Oxygen displacement- not absorption or binding- is one of them, but if this were the only factor, then dry nitrogen, carbon dioxide, or other inert gas would work just as well.
There are four things required for combustion: oxidizer, fuel, heat, and a chemical reaction that is self-sustaining- the "chain reaction," in which free radicals are formed. Halons work by kicking off chlorine, bromine, or fluorine radicals in the heat of the fire, ending these reactions. Unfortunately, the same properties that make this class of compounds so wonderful for extinguishing fires is also what makes them so good at terminating the production of ozone.
I also seem to recall something in my distant past as a fire instructor that halons as a group have a fairly high specific heat, meaning they carry away more heat from the fire; this is a relatively minor factor when compared to things like water which have high specific heat and very high heat of vaporization. Water is surprisingly good at putting out electrical fires; energized systems can be handled by using distilled water, as was done at Browns Ferry nuclear power plant in Tennessee in 1975. But it's messy and doesn't fight "three dimensional" fires very well.
Replacements such as FM-200 and Novec 1230 that do not survive long enough to reach the stratosphere have been made and are now available. They are comparable in effectiveness to more traditional halons (Halon 1211 and 1301), and Novec is shipped as a liquid rather than a compressed gas. This makes it safer and less expensive to transport. Being fluorinated molecules (no chlorine, just fluorine) less phosgene is produced during a fire, which is a good thing.
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There's a difference between pressure and partial pressure of oxygen. Reduced PP inhibits fire and FEELS TO HUMANS like being at altitude. Fire burns at altitude because the PP of o2 is the same. Humans feel like the PP is reduced because there's just fewer oxygen molecules (along with fewer of everything else).
My wife has COPD. She has an oxygen concentrator (really, it's just a nitrogen separator. It removes a large chunk of the nitrogen from room air and sends the rest of it down a tube to her nose). We have to post warnings in the windows and the like because the increased oxygen saturation near her when she's using her concentrator makes things that aren't usually flammable quite a bit more so - the exact opposite of the concept described in TFA. An ordinary bic lighter can become quite a sight when you aim the output from the concentrator at it (don't try this at home, kids).
People cook out up in Estes Park at 9-13K all the time. Maybe dude needs to refill his lighter...
It isn't just the partial pressure of oxygen that's important for fire. It's also the partial pressure of nitrogen. Nitrogen cools the reaction without contributing to it.
So having the partial pressure of oxygen appropriate to 6,000 feet while having even greater than sea-level partial pressure of nitrogen could well keep a fire from burning (at least in some fuels) and make it much harder than usual to get one started even in things (like magnesium) that would be happy to burn in this atmosphere (or even in pure nitrogen).
Meanwhile the human body is mostly interested in the partial pressure of oxygen and carbon dioxide. Walking into the data center would be like suddenly going from local altitude to 6,000 feet (minus the ear-pops and potential for a case of pressure-related issues). You'd run a little less "brightly" than usual. Live in such conditions 24/7 for a month or so and you'll build up additional hemoglobin in your blood until (like people who live at altitude) you're just fine. (I don't know if you'll get back to "full power" living in them 8/5, though.)
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Dave: Open the data centre door Hal
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Imagine your glowing red hot but not quite burning cable inside a low oxygen cabinet. The equipment isn't working well, some some poor tech is sent to fix it. Said tech opens the cabinet, introducing a lovely fresh mix of 21% oxygen into the cabinet, at which point the superheated pyrolized gasses mix with the oxidizer and you get what we in the fire department like to call...FLASHOVER....it's very bad for the complexion.
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Halon 1211 (Bromochlorodifluoromethane) and Halon 1301 (Bromotrifluoromethane) have been banned in most countries since 1994 (The Montreal Protocol, as stated by the AC below) because they were found to deplete ozone.
As has already been stated, Halon worked as a fire suppressant by displacing oxygen, thus disrupting the fire triangle (fuel, oxygen, heat). Also, in the presence of any remaining flame or smoldering debris, Halon oxidized into other toxic gasses including phosgene which is very, very bad stuff and was used as a chemical weapon during WWI.
Like Carbon Tetrachloride extinguishers before them, Halon extinguishers had too many bad attributes; what we in the fire service would call, "Ethyl-Methyl-Bad-Shit".
From TFA:
They are not talking about oxygen free rooms. Yes, as your article says, breathing pure nitrogen will kill you as humans don't run on nitrogen. But that does not mean a high nitrogen content would be dangerous. Otherwise you would die as soon as you breathed a breath of Earth's air which is, by a long measure, mostly nitrogen. So your article really has nothing to do with this subject. Its sort of like giving a story of how 900 degree temperatures inside a cremation furnace affect the human body and using that as an argument on why people shouldn't be allowed in houses with the heat turned on.
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Your lungs are mostly worried about the partial pressure of oxygen; .16 bars is what you need. Your lungs don't care too much if that's .16 bars of 100% oxygen, or one bar of 16% oxygen, or two bars of 8% oxygen. The level of concentration of oxygen doesn't matter too much, just the pressure of oxygen to drive membrane gas exchange.
.16 bars.
Fires, however, do not have gas-exchange membranes like your lungs, making the partial pressure less important, and the concentration more so. 8% oxygen at two bars is less supportive of fires than 100% oxygen at
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I *realize* they aren't talking about O2 free rooms. Perhaps I should have picked a better article closer to nitrogen asphyxiation then one advocating it's use for the death penalty. My bad.
I was *trying* to point out that you don't want to get too carried away by 'inerting' areas because there are consequences- while you may become sleepy and tired from CO poisoning, or disoriented, hot, and suffocating from CO2 poisoning, people will not experience warning symptoms with N2 poisoning- they'll simply keel over. That's it- zip, nada- I'm all for fire-safing server rooms (GO HALON!). No motive to discredit this technology- and no interest IN discrediting it. Just simple information that your average person might not have known about...
And you'll get into trouble with the N2/O2 becomes about 95%- there's not enough O2 partial pressure (Depending on your lung capacity and general health) without the addition of helium- that N2 has to dissolve somewhere, too...
Nope, it's the percentage of oxygen and the pressure. Multiplying pressure by percentage for each gas gives you the "partial pressure" of that gas, and it's the gradient of partial pressures that determines rate of absorption. Well, to be precise, gas in your tissues (lung tissues, blood, etc.) has "tension", not pressure, so it's the difference between the partial pressure of the gas in what you breathe and the partial tension of the same gas in your tissues that determines absorption rate.
To live, you need a ppO2 within a certain range. IIRC, between about 0.05 (5% at 1 atm, or 10% at 0.5 atm, etc.) and 2.4 (pure O2 at 2.4 atm, or 50% at 4.8 atm, etc.). Below that range, oxygen doesn't diffuse into your tissues fast enough to supply their needs, above that range the oxygen begins to damage the tissues, in an effect known as oxygen toxicity.
SCUBA divers who go to great depths take bottles with very low percentages of oxygen, low enough that the gas would be marginal for survival at the surface. They do it because at, say, 20 atm (600 feet), normal air has a ppO2 of about 4.2, far, far above the safe level. A 3% O2 mix at 20 atm, however has a comfortable ppO2 of 0.6. Since the deep mixes aren't breathable in shallow water, such divers either carry multiple bottles of different gas mixtures (don't mix 'em up!) or else have pre-positioned staged for appropriate depths.
Going the other direction, pilots, astronauts and mountain climbers spend time in environments with very low pressures, low enough that the ppO2 is not survivable (or at least is not conducive to strenuous activity). So they breathe high concentrations of O2, usually from bottles of pure O2.
Cardiovascular efficiency also plays a major role here. Good cardiovascular health means both increased lung surface tissue for absorption and higher-volume blood flow for delivery of absorbed gases to the tissues which in turn absorb them from the blood (mostly according to the partial tension gradient with a tissue-specific absorption coefficient). So, people with good cardiovascular health can survive lower ppO2 levels.
Nitrogen has no effect on any of this, except as a gas to fill up the non-oxygen part of the mix, and, for divers a gas that will be absorbed under high pressures and released from tissues as pressures decrease. "The bends" is just nitrogen coming out of solution too fast and forming bubbles which block blood vessels.
CO2, on the other hand, is poisonous. I don't recall what the levels are, but above a certain ppCO2, you pass out and then die. CO2 must be removed from your breathing gas. This isn't an issue for open circuit SCUBA divers, whose exhalations float off to the surface, but it's important for rebreather divers and, obviously, for astronauts and others in sealed environments.
Bringing this back to the topic at hand, 17% O2 shouldn't be a problem for anyone of normal cardiovascular health unless the data center is located on a high mountain peak. Someone who has some lung injury or deficient circulation wouldn't want to work in such a data center, but most such people routinely use a nasal flow of pure O2 anyway so, again, it shouldn't be a problem.
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"I was *trying* to point out that you don't want to get too carried away by 'inerting' areas because there are consequences- while you may become sleepy and tired from CO poisoning, or disoriented, hot, and suffocating from CO2 poisoning, people will not experience warning symptoms with N2 poisoning- they'll simply keel over."
You will only get the "simply keel over" effect if oxygen levels are 0 (or close to it), like if you suck on a hose spouting pure nitrogen. The same thing will happen if you start breathing pure CO2. If you are in an environment where your body cannot get the oxygen it needs, you will simply die. If on the other hand you get a more gradual fall in oxygen levels (which would be the most common failure scenario here, as well as in most everyday situations where CO2 levels rise), you will feel side effects first. And anyways, as long as you have reasonable safety precautions, its still not going to rise to the level of "They'd better make damn sure NO ONE can defeat the safeties to get into that room", like you said in your first post. I mean if you are going to keep people out of any enclosure where there may be a drop in oxygen levels, you would also have to keep them out of houses and apartments that are heated with natural gas (which may result in a methane leak).
"Just simple information that your average person might not have known about..."
I'm pretty sure the average person knows you need oxygen to breathe.
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Both you and the parent post are right, in a way.
Nitrogen does nothing, but it is in the way. Oxygen has to diffuse through nitrogen to get to a place where it is consumed, and diffusion is a relatively slow process (yes, I am a chemical engineer, and I did run Stefan-Maxwell simulations).
Say you have a total pressure of 20 kPa, 100% oxygen. If oxygen is consumed at point X by a reaction (I will drop the issue of products diffusing out), all other oxygen around will rush to the spot unhindered (pressure is fast: actually the limit would be the speed of sound). If you have dry air atmosphere, you have 20 kPa oxygen and 80 kPa nitrogen. If oxygen is consumed at point X, nitrogen will accumulate there since air as a whole, not oxygen only, are dragged to point X, and only oxygen is disappearing.
So, yes, what counts for reaction rate is the partial pressure of oxygen, but in many cases (and fires are one of these) diffusion limits how fast oxygen can get to the reaction, so you cannot just pretend you do not have an inert gas in the way.
In fact it is even worse than that, at 100 kPa oxygen (~one atmosphere of pure oxygen) flesh burns "vigorously", as my buddy's professor in combustion used to say. That's why you are not allowed any sort of lighter or match in a hyperbaric chamber, as people inside would burn as gasoline.
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