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USPTO New Accelerated Review Process

Intron writes "Perhaps you have been lying awake worrying that your software patent on bubble sort might spend too much time being "examined" or "peer reviewed". You will be pleased to know that the US Patent and Trademark Office has launched their accelerated review process. "Applicants' submissions enjoy a presumption of patentability" says the patent office. Applicants are also responsible for disclosing any prior art."

218 comments

  1. Efficiency. by Seumas · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why take two years to produce incompetent results when you can be just as incompetent in a few months?

    See, I made a post without resorting to the "let's patent... uh.. air!" posts that are about to flood this page.

    1. Re:Efficiency. by FMota91 · · Score: 3, Funny

      "We here at the US Patent Office value efficiency over bureaucracy."

      Aren't they cool!

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    2. Re:Efficiency. by flyingfsck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder why they don't just drop the whole cumbersome review process altogether? Just make a simple web form where anyone can patent anything.

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    3. Re:Efficiency. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "See, I made a post without resorting to the "let's patent... uh.. air!" posts that are about to flood this page."

      No No NO!!! Patent the patent process then sue the USPTO out of existance.

    4. Re:Efficiency. by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Bags I the patent on simple web forms!

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    5. Re:Efficiency. by theckhd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yup. Just what a patent system overburdened with patent applications of dubious quality needs -- an express lane.

  2. I was waiting for this... by FMota91 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Ah yes, now I can finally patent the array!

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    1. Re:I was waiting for this... by TropicalCoder · · Score: 1

      You mean I can finally patent my bubble sort algorithm? Oh boy!

    2. Re:I was waiting for this... by FMota91 · · Score: 1

      Actually, what I meant was, I can finally file my patent for the "fixed-size offset-indexable ordered list", and for the "memory address pointing at null-terminated offset-indexable ordered list".

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    3. Re:I was waiting for this... by kalirion · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, well I plan to see a big check from you in the near future, seeing as how I'm gonna patent the patent!

    4. Re:I was waiting for this... by The_Wilschon · · Score: 1

      Somebody should turn that 3d bubble sort you linked to into an xscreensaver hack.

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    5. Re:I was waiting for this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In that case I will sue your ass for each infringement of my patent on variables.

  3. Is this a joke? by eck06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    (looks at calendar...) Nope, four more days until April 1st. Damn.

    1. Re:Is this a joke? by lilomar · · Score: 1

      Oh, it's a joke alright. It's just that some people have a very, very sick sense of humor. (AKA - The US Patent Office)

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    2. Re:Is this a joke? by complete+loony · · Score: 1

      Note to self, don't come back here in four days....

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  4. Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by techno-vampire · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "Applicants are also responsible for disclosing any prior art."


    Nice thought, but that's not going to work. Prior art makes something less patentable, so it's not exactly in the applicant's best interest to report it. It's like expecting politicians to police their own ethics. Oh, wait, isn't that what Congress already does?

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    1. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by HomelessInLaJolla · · Score: 1

      It's like expecting politicians to police their own ethics Heh. This fellow had it spot on.

      Every year, there is a proposal to implement this. What happens is, they spend a couple more million on "studies", and spend the rest on widening the existing...
      ...loopholes.

      How long have people been demanding an accelerated patent process?
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    2. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by Praxx · · Score: 1

      Nice thought, but that's not going to work. Prior art makes something less patentable, so it's not exactly in the applicant's best interest to report it. It's like expecting politicians to police their own ethics. Oh, wait, isn't that what Congress already does?

      That is not entirely true. A patent approved by the patent office which cites prior art stands a much better chance of being (legally) valid in case the patent's validity is challenged in court.

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    3. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by eric76 · · Score: 1

      It could work if there were extremely severe penalties for everyone involved in the filing, especially the applicants and attorneys, if prior art was later found. That means any prior art, not just that which they could have found with a moderate effort.

      If it should be discovered in conjunction with a court trial, then how about immediate revocation of the patent, the applicants and all attorneys and anyone else involved being personally liable for all of the defendant's legal fees in the matter, and none of the involved would be able to be involved in any patent process for a period of at least ten years.

      If the prior art is not discovered until after a court trial, treble damages including the greater of the award or the amount requested, if any, whether or not the defendant was even able to pay it. So if someone filed suit asking for one billion dollars for a patent infringement and after the trial you found prior art that invalidated the patent, they would have to pay you three billion dollars plus treble legal fees and other damages even if you were unable to pay a dime.

      And we need a much wider definition of "prior art". The current definition is too restrictive and clearly allows patents that had been invented by others earlier.

      Think that might work?

    4. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by billyd48359 · · Score: 1

      Applicants are required, under 37 CFR 1.56, to disclose any prior art of which they are aware. If you intentionally withhold known prior art, your patent will likely be found invalid or deemed unenforceable by a court of law for inequitable conduct. Signed, Your friendly patent attorney P.S. Not legal advice. Confer with your own patent attorney if you need legal advice.

    5. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by Mawginty · · Score: 1

      Applicants for a patent are always required to disclose any prior art of which they are aware. This new accelerated process simply doesn't change that.

      There are fairly heavy penalties for failing to disclose prior art, btw. If it can be shown in court that the patentee failed to disclose prior art in an effort to misinform or mislead the examiner then the patent becomes completely unenforceable. Misleading the USPTO includes such acts as burying a relevant piece of information inside stacks of irrelevant info and other questionable tactics.

      Parties applying for a patent, because there is no opposing party, are held to extremely high standards of candor (at least as far as standards of candor for lawyers go).

    6. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by tom's+a-cold · · Score: 1

      The system works. Its objectives: (1) To allow big corporations to protect their oligopoly positions by creating barriers to entry. (2) To delay innovation, which was proceeding at such a rapid pace that repression and control weren't keeping up.

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    7. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by Waffle+Iron · · Score: 1

      Applicants for a patent are always required to disclose any prior art of which they are aware. ...

      There are fairly heavy penalties for failing to disclose prior art, btw.

      BFD. They don't have to go searching for prior art either. Since each individual is only aware of a tiny minority of everything that happens in this world, any given applicant's ignorance of prior art proves exactly nothing about whether the proposed patent covers things that have previously been invented elsewhere.

    8. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by statusbar · · Score: 1

      Think that might work?

      Your ideas would be putting obstacles in the way of companies wanting to patent things.

      This is contrary to the USPTO's prime directive of selling as many patents as possible. That's it.

      It is effectively a government controlled corporate monopoly on idea registration and is contrary to the free market in every way.

      But we know that we do not and never did live in a free market society, especially lately.

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    9. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by Danse · · Score: 1

      That is not entirely true. A patent approved by the patent office which cites prior art stands a much better chance of being (legally) valid in case the patent's validity is challenged in court.

      Precisely! It's also quite a good idea to mix just enough truth into your lies to make them believable.
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    10. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by timotten · · Score: 2, Informative

      IIRC, prior art declared during a patent application cannot be cited by the defense in a patent-infringement suit. A patent applicant who declares prior art will get a leg up in litigation, and that's a non-trivial incentive for an earnest patent applicant to declare as much prior art as he can.

      Of course, it only matters if the patent applicant expects that his patent will wind up in court. A patent applicant could bank on the significant cost and anxiety associated with court cases -- i.e. submit an incomplete patent application under the assumption that any prospective competitor/licensee would rather pay for a license than a trial.

    11. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      But we know that we do not and never did live in a free market society

      Well, you would know if you did because the economy would be controlled by a small handful of hyper-rich people and probably the President would be drawn from that aristocracy, while ordinary people have no input into how the country is run....ah, er...

      Seriously, though, the "free market" is an impossible ideal which can never work in reality. To make a free market work would require constant intervention to prevent the mathematical inevitability of market-dominating monopolies arising, in which case it's not free. On the other hand, if you don't intervene to prevent the market being dominated by powerful monopolies then it's not free either; a "free market" is a logical impossibility.

    12. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by spagetti_code · · Score: 1

      They are simply handing responsibility to the courts. In fact, they could save a few million dollars by simply stamping *every* patent app, then let the oourts sort out the real ones when litigation hits the fan.

    13. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by perlchild · · Score: 1

      I was just thinking that's the problem with the process...
      If you assume a patent application is patentable, then the prior art shouldn't be the patent applicant's responsability, since he's actually having to prove he "isn't wrong"

      If you assumed non-patentability from a patent application, then it might work... Basically, he'd have to prove he's done his homework and show the unicity of his work. The USPTO might also need to stop viewing the "non-granting" of a patent as anything but a public service. Especially in prior art cases.

    14. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What is changed with the accelerated process is that the applicant is required to search and to demonstrate to the patent office that the search was thorough and to provide to the patent office a report of why the art that turned up in the search does not invalidate the patent. If the PTO believes your search was not thorough, they kick you out of the accelerated process. You can believe that your report is going to be mined heavily during any upcoming litigation for evidence that you mislead the patent office.

      Under the regular process the applicants are required to reveal what they know, but they don't actually have to do any searching.

    15. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      And this would be different from what happens in what way?

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    16. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by crunchy_one · · Score: 1

      My patent attorney warned me against researching prior art. His argument was that if during my research I found that anything my company made was covered by a patent that had not been properly licensed, then I was on the hook for damages; otherwise, I would simply be on the hook for fees.

    17. Re:Guarenteed to produce invalid patents by spagetti_code · · Score: 1

      I've been through the patent process a few times
      (required as part of doing business now days). While
      they make a number of high profile mistakes, our patents
      have been (as far as I can tell) examined thoroughly.
      Some claims were denied, some admitted and one whole patent
      app rejected. They often asked for more information
      and did seem to do research in the field.

      It took anywhere from 3 years to 4+ (still waiting on that
      one).

      Their new moves are a significant downgrade, putting the onus
      on the inventor to provide due diligence, which they are
      not incented to do. In fact, quite the opposite.

  5. It's dead, Jim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The patent system is broken beyond repair. Throw the thing out.

    I'd never start an engineering firm. Be it widgets or lines of code, I'm bound to be sued if I become successful. Patents now actively discourage innovation. Get rid of them!

    1. Re:It's dead, Jim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Patents discourage inovation? That isn't what the Constitution says!

    2. Re:It's dead, Jim by yodhe · · Score: 3, Informative

      The patent system in the US was broken back in the nineties when the Clinton administration changed the funding for the Patent Office. Previously the Patent Office was funded out of the budget with application and licensing fees going into General Revenue. In the new "efficient" scheme the office was to be funded directly from the application fees. It would seem obvious to all but the most asinine idiot (ie. those not on Capitol Hill) that this is a recipe for disaster, encouraging the Patent Office to approve any and all applications that come their way and leaving it to the courts to subsequently sort the wheat from the chaff.

      (NB. For those who might think this a partisan political attack IANAUSC and regard the US political spectrum as a choice between a bunch of right wing reactionaries and the Republicans.)

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    3. Re:It's dead, Jim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      PTO on the farm is the Power Take Off on the tractor. Interesting that the USPTO provides power to harvest money. From the Wiki: "In some countries it is illegal to operate a PTO without the shaft guard correctly fastened." Our shaft guard is supposed to be the Constitution and the courts. Corporations have been handling the greasing of the u-joints (congress)and you know which part that leaves us with.

    4. Re:It's dead, Jim by Nasarius · · Score: 1

      Okay, no more patent system. I certainly hope you're willing to spend billions of dollars on public funding of medical research, since the average new drug takes about $1 billion to develop, and it's trivial for other companies to "reverse-engineer" once it's on the market. Yes, some drug companies are probably guilty of abusing their patents, but without a temporary monopoly, they would never be able to recoup their research costs.

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    5. Re:It's dead, Jim by theRiallatar · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if you knew this, but a lot of the companies doing the medical research are either Universities, or receive significant incentives in the form of tax breaks or outright grants to do the research.

    6. Re:It's dead, Jim by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, if you read that section of the Constitution correctly, it says that patents and copyrights are allowed only to encourage innovation.

      Since that has now been proven false, copyrights and patents are unconstitutional.

      But just try to find a judge intelligent enough to see that.

    7. Re:It's dead, Jim by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      Okay, no more patent system. I certainly hope you're willing to spend billions of dollars on public funding of medical research, since the average new drug takes about $1 billion to develop

      You just need to get rid of the factors that make it a 1 billion dollar cost. Lawyers, the FDA, and insurance companies. Those are the other ants in the picnic basket. After that, the average drug would cost four goats and a pill-casing. Your government has made your life a nest of parasites under the ridiculous (and flat out false) operating principle that you can be, and should be, made "safe" from drugs. This is, of course, impossible. Don't blame the cost of drugs on the drug companies. They're not responsible for the costs. Your legislators are, and indirectly, the diseased legal and regulatory systems they have produced and continue to support are. Get rid of them, and drugs will advance more like the way electronics do. Only faster, if the USPTO is gone as well. Of course, electronics would advance faster too.

      But I'm just dreaming. America is a nation of people that think they should be paid if they slip, spill coffee, hit a deer, get pregnant, or feel they have been insulted. They love the mommy system. Because they're children, mentally speaking. And yes, I'm a US citizen. Just not a proud one.

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    8. Re:It's dead, Jim by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      That sounds like an EXCELLENT idea to me.

      It's better to pay for drug research with tax money up front than let the insane drug profits line the fatcats' pockets.

      Of course, we really do already pay for the drug research with tax money - we just never see the public benefit. The drug companies charge us insane prices on the backend.

      So yeah, if the best you can come up with is supporting the drug companies, you've just made an excellent case for shutting down the patent system right now.

  6. Ripe for abuse? by LWolenczak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Am I the only one who thinks such policy changes are ripe for abuse? Hell, I'll go patent breathing right now! That way, I can charge everybody a fee! Muahahahaha. Seriously now, this is just silly.

    1. Re:Ripe for abuse? by FMota91 · · Score: 1

      Why not patent "Accelerated Review Processes", and then you can sue the USPTO yourself! ;)

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  7. In other news... by jd · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...the USPTO outsources reading the applications to outer Mongolia, on the grounds that if they're going to accept them all anyway, what does it matter?

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    1. Re:In other news... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      on the grounds that if they're going to accept them all anyway, what does it matter?


            Oh come ON, be FAIR! It's not like they accepted the warp drive without a working prototype! :)

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    2. Re:In other news... by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      Do you have a link?

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    3. Re:In other news... by donaldm · · Score: 1
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    4. Re:In other news... by Dunbal · · Score: 1

      Donald, you have too much time on your hands, dog. Hehehe. Thanks tho ;)

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  8. And the (real) change will be.... by the.metric · · Score: 4, Interesting

    nothing.

    We all know that the USPTO aren't exactly fantastic at finding prior art and reviewing patent applications particularly well, especially in the software arena. Whatever the reason for this, passing it off onto the applicant isn't going to improve this situation much. Whilst the USPTO might not find any prior art in checking an application, the applicant has no real incentive to find prior art either.

    The only way it will make any significant difference is if an applicant doesn't submit an obvious piece of prior art, the USPTO find it in the accelerated review process, and then reject the patent on lack of detail in the application.

    1. Re:And the (real) change will be.... by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      It's been a while since I've looked at the patent process so you can take this with a bucket of salt... iirc if you patent something and do not reveal prior art, including not putting enough effort into looking for it in the first place, then if and when you are sued (regarding the patent) the penalties to which you are subject in court are tripled.

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    2. Re:And the (real) change will be.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What would make a difference would be to put a duty of "due diligence" on the applicant. So they had to certify, under penalty of perjury, that they had made every reasonable effort to find any prior art. If they have any sense of self-preservation, they'll also document these attempts.

      Threatening people with jail time focuses the mind wonderfully.

    3. Re:And the (real) change will be.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We all know that the USPTO aren't exactly fantastic at finding prior art and reviewing patent applications particularly well, especially in the software arena. Whatever the reason for this, passing it off onto the applicant isn't going to improve this situation much. Whilst the USPTO might not find any prior art in checking an application, the applicant has no real incentive to find prior art either.


      With software it's almost impossible to find prior art. The only realistic way to search for it is in the patent database and since most software is not patented that's a ridiculous situation.
  9. Nothing like passing the buck by Q-Hack! · · Score: 1

    This is going to create an incredable amount of work for the judicial system. Not that they aren't tasked enough with lame cases or anything.

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  10. no, it's backwards to assume patentability. by swschrad · · Score: 2, Insightful

    the original legislation was to require those seeking patents to PROVE UNIQUENESS. therefore, this silliness runs counter to law.

    no patent for being able to write on a Big Chief tablet with a jumbo purple crayon, as the pinheads in washington seem to think is how it should work.

    and they ought to search prior art. if they can't find it, then maybe the USPTO should just declare a moratorium on new applications until they scan and index all the old stuff, way back to patent #1. to intelligently "expedite" handling applications, they have to be able to intelligently find prior art.

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    1. Re:no, it's backwards to assume patentability. by theantipop · · Score: 1

      You are very, very wrong and misinformed. The law does in fact presume patentability. Also, applicant providing prior art is normal for every application and does not relieve the examiner of the burden of searching, even within the context of this system.

    2. Re:no, it's backwards to assume patentability. by eric76 · · Score: 1

      Prior art should really cover just about anything written in any source that may pertain to the patent, not just to research journals and previous patents.

      That is, to me, one of the most wrong-headed parts of the patent system.

    3. Re:no, it's backwards to assume patentability. by Sponge+Bath · · Score: 1

      ...being able to write on a Big Chief tablet with a jumbo purple crayon


      George W Bush holds that patent.

  11. They can't do this!! by andytrevino · · Score: 4, Funny

    They're infringing on my patent for an accelerated patent review system. I filed it just a few minutes ago through their accelerated process!

    1. Re:They can't do this!! by eonlabs · · Score: 1

      If it's worth more to take it to court than to pay you the fines for your request, then it doesn't matter. If they take it to court, they will throw out your patent for prior art, and hold you accountable for the money involved in taking it to court. Just hope you get the people that decided on the McDonalds Coffee incident.

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  12. my new patent by alta · · Score: 1

    I'm ready to apply for my new patent on the act of replying to a message or story, by clicking a button that says reply, then entering text, and then clicking a submit button.

    This will be done after I apply for my patent on stress testing a remote web server by placing a link to said server on a highly trafficed web site and expecting all visitors to follow that link.

    And stay tuned for my patent on taking an email that you receive, and sending it to someone who is NOT the person that originally sent it to you. I'm not sure what I'll call that yet. Maybe something like for-words.

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    1. Re:my new patent by NormalVisual · · Score: 1

      You'll be hearing from my attorney then, as I have already patented a substantially similar system that also includes a novel "preview" button designed to be clicked immediately after entering text, and is present largely to instill feelings of regret and inadequacy in the user when the aforementioned "submit" button is used without doing so.

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  13. Excellent - I am patenting the doubly linked list by Proudrooster · · Score: 1

    Wow... I do my own prior art search and have the presumption of patentability!!!! I am filing to patent the "doubly linked list" this weekend. I think Microsoft patented the "linked list" last week, so I will embrace and extend their patent :)

    It's all insanity. No wonder the US is no longer the Technology King. We spend all our time and money on lawyers and patent lawyers are NOT cheap.

  14. Do we have to stoop so low? by rolfwind · · Score: 1

    It looks like America is trying to bolster its economy by trying to take IP to a whole new level. There must be a school of thought wholly alien to me, that thinks that if 1 patent is good, 10 must be even better!

    It might be that the U.S. is trying to bolster its position in the world by trying to a mass land grab at IP in the light of its waning influence/superpower status with China's dominance in the horizon.

    And the steps we are taking as a nation are the absolute worst ones - instead of fostering innovation by demanding science/math be emphasized in the classrooms and good research being funded - we are making it easy for large corporations and patent trolls to stifle us all.

    1. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by lilomar · · Score: 1

      So how long until the rest of the world looks at our Intellectual Property system and says, "Pfft, yeah, right. So it looks like we will be ignoring your IP laws from now on, thanks for playing.

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    2. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    3. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      That's interesting... yes, especially considering US patents are not enforceable outside of the US.

      Do you have another US-bashing angle, or are we done for the night?

    4. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Proudrooster · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Believe me, the US is now emphasizing science/math in the classroom. In fact, the new high school standards are going to see to it that next years 7th graders have no chance of graduation. The problem as I see it in America is not science/math but that the fabric of society (the family) is no longer stable and reliable. From an idealogical point of view, the problem with America is that we have replaced the ideals of Democracy with a quasi capitalistic system. I say quasi, because as more people lose at the game of capitalism, the government is becoming more and more socialist and wealth is once again becoming more and more concentrated.

      From a moral and ethical point of view in America, it is more important to win, be cool (tatooed, Razor Cell Phone, designer clothes, drink the right drink, do the right drug, ride the cool car/motorcycle), and be passively addicted to stupidity (Sitcoms, Youtube, MySpace, Text Messaging, professional sports, movies) than it is to be smart, hardworking, moral/Godly, and fair. America has largely become a consumer driven "me first", passive, and non-thinking soceity at a time when we need to be engaged in a moment of clarity about the long range plans for our country, livelihoods, and families.

      I apologize to my fellow Americans for being harsh, but we have got to 'kick it up a notch' or we are done.

    5. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      But the US is trying its hardest to export its IP system to other countries.

      But I suppose any other criticism is supposed to be bashing to you.

    6. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by andy_t_roo · · Score: 1

      isn't that the ideal situation for people in control? - they get money, power and the ability to attempt to boss the rest of the world around, all while their population remains nice and passive.

    7. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by cyphercell · · Score: 1

      I'm working on it. So are my kids. Of course I disagree on the "Math and Science" bit, my kids WILL graduate, I see numeracy on equal standing with literacy.

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    8. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      smart, Godly,
      Are not words that belong together.
    9. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by TapeCutter · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "the government is becoming more and more socialist"

      I think the word you are looking for is fascist, I also think the behaviour is restricted to a powerfull minority that has fallen out of favour with the US public in the last year or so. We have seen similar political mood changes here in Australia.

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    10. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If we were trying our hardest, then we'd be waving around the remote control with all the big red buttons on it...

    11. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by alphamugwump · · Score: 1

      If you don't mind, I'll copy that post you just made -- It might come in handy for trolling. I'll bite anyway, though.

      Actually, I hear this sort of thing a lot. The conservatives like to bring up the Roman Empire. Their argument works something like this: "The Roman Empire declined because they were being immoral. America is immoral, therefore, if we don't want to decline, we need to straighten up"

      The liberals do the same thing, except they say that "corporate greed" is causing the decline.

      The problem is, of course, that the american empire is going to fall anyway, no matter what you do. Decadence and greed have nothing to do with it. A nation in decline is like an organism that has neared the end of its life-cycle: all kinds of diseases appear, but the real problem is that it is simply too old. In an old empire, bueracracy becomes intrenched, and people start to take the empire for granted. This leads to great stability, but ultimately, it causes that empire's death.

      Read the Foundation Trilogy, or something.

    12. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Paranoid+Cynic · · Score: 1

      I apologize to my fellow Americans for being harsh, but we have got to 'kick it up a notch' or we are done.
      Harsh ? You were just getting off to a good start !
    13. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
      But the US is trying its hardest to export its IP system to other countries.

      Yes, I'm sure the EU and China are just chomping at the bit to be good little pawns and adopt a system that is largely broken (at least as far as software goes). That makes a lot of sense.

    14. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

      There are several problems with this approach.

      A nation just have to be big enough to say screw your, and the US runs into a major crisis. (China, Russia, EU... all of them could, China and Russia probably would in case of a major crisis, EU usually sides with the USA on things even if it is its own doom)

      If the USA manages to push this patent system via the WIPO into the international law standards, which it tries, then the USA is screwed within the next 20 years, because development and research currently is shifting away from it. All it then has, is a lot of people paying for foreign goods, and no directy income, by research and self fabricated goods.

      One sentence, either revert the course guys, or you are definitely screwed, not that I would mind seeing the exactly same people who are responsible for this begging on the streets in the end, but there are millions of people who do not have anything to do with this, who also will suffer! (Btw. you also cannot rely on the Dollar as being the only trade currency anymore)

    15. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by bogjobber · · Score: 1

      As an ungodly young American who comes from a "nontraditional" home, please shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. It's just yet another version of "the current generation is going to hell" argument. Similar arguments can, and have, been made as far back as we can remember. The same people who are yelling about the decline in the "traditional family" are the same ones bringing about the conditions that are concentrating wealth in the hands of fewer individuals. It's a red herring. Some things need to change, but overall we're doing just fine, thank you.

      Oh, and I hate to be the one to break it to you, but what constitutes a family has been changing constantly since the industrial revolution. Do you really think that having a mom, dad, and two kids in the same home is the way it's always been? The nuclear family was the norm for an extremely short time, if it could be considered the norm for any period of time at all.

      As for people being consumerists and obsessed with current trends of what is cool and doing stupid things with their time, you could make the same argument about any first world country. What about America makes it particularly susceptible to moral decay because of these things, as opposed to the other countries who do similar things?

    16. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dunno about China, but the EU (where I live...) is controlled by largely the same multinational corporations as the USA. The EU, at least the bit with most of the power, IS chomping at the bit to be good little pawns and adopt a system that is largely broken. Because their corporate paymasters say so. It took unprecedented levels of real grass-roots actions to even temporarily stall the software patents directive in Europe, and the same old bastards in the corporatist EU Commission just keep on trying, proposing directive after directive - and only a few need to stick (see the "let's urinate bloody" (IPRED) directive) - after all, what have they got to lose, there's noone else, no anti-corpie body also allowed to propose directives! They can propose 100 directives, and if 2 sneak through, they win. Boot stamping on human face. Forever.

    17. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Dan+Stephans+II · · Score: 1

      Have you heard of the National Socialist German Worker's Party?

    18. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      I apologize to my fellow Americans for being harsh, but we have got to 'kick it up a notch' or we are done.

      Becoming "godly" isn't "kicking it up a notch", it is stepping backwards into the dark ages. Get with the program. Otherwise, yes, you've made some good points.

      GOD.SYS not found. Installing REALITY.SYS

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    19. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Morality without God? Interesting concept.

      The Universe without God? Even more interesting.

      Are we so "advanced" and "wise" that we dismiss God as a mere superstition?

      Even though I am very educated and have been in obtaining advanced degrees since 1987, I am not yet ready to make that leap.

    20. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Have you heard the term "cheap labour capitalists", or in their case "slave" labour capitialists.

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    21. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by Dan+Stephans+II · · Score: 1

      You may have missed the point.

    22. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      Morality without God? Interesting concept.

      Yes indeed, it implies that humans can think their way through to the idea that there are ways to behave that benefit self, family, community, nation and world in ways that are in reasonable balance. As opposed to getting one's morals canned out of a book, repressing sexuality, fearing homosexuality, trying to impose all manner of your canned morality on people who do not share your delusions. An amazing idea, I agree. Much easier to get your morals canned; saves having to figure things out. Good for the mentally lazy, the mentally incompetent, and of course, those who are simply gullible. And those who carry combinations of those three burdens to varying degrees.

      The Universe without God? Even more interesting

      Ok, Mr. AC. Sigh. The universe is impossible for you to think of as having been there in one form or another. You think something had to start it because in your mind, everything has to have a cause. So you postulate "God." God, then, "causes" the universe and this makes you all warm and fuzzy. I then ask, as usual, so what caused God. You answer, hey, he was always there. I say, gee, aren't you the fellow that said everything had to have a cause, and *that* was why you assume there had to be a god? You go yeah, uh, uh, but he's GOD, so he was always there, and I say, well fella, if God could always be there, then the universe could too, and so there is no need to postulate a god. End of argument, end of "interesting", Christian retires with egg on face. There, saved us a lot of time. No need to thank me.

      Are we so "advanced" and "wise" that we dismiss God as a mere superstition?

      Some of us simply aren't vulnerable to mythology. It isn't about intelligence, generally, it is about gullibility and the ability to face the hugeness of the universe with wonder instead of fear; it is also the ability to recognize, and accept, that some questions do not have obvious answers and that this does not in and of itself cause a need to arise to make up answers to fill in those blanks. Some of us are perfectly ok with blanks; curious, certainly, but not fearful and not willing to succumb to nonsense explanations just to have some kind of thing to point to as an answer.

      Even though I am very educated and have been in obtaining advanced degrees since 1987, I am not yet ready to make that leap.

      You can educate yourself until you're blue in the face, and you may never reach an intellectual state that is sufficient to erode your particular combination of gullibility, fear, and need for a father-figure. None of this changes reality; reality is what it is, and there is no degree of faith that will change it. The Egyptians had enormous faith in Ra; no Ra. The Greeks had enormous faith in Zeus and company; no Zeus, and no company, either. The Hindus have enormous faith in Kali and crew; no Kali, no crew. Voodooists have enormous faith in their various hoodoos. No hoodoos. No African gods. No Hawaiian gods. No Chinese gods. No ghosts, no spirits, no elves, no fairies, no santa, no easter bunny, no spaghetti monster. And of course, Christians have enormous faith in God, and no surprise... no god, either. Faith has its own merits. But changing reality isn't one of them. It hasn't worked for any other religion or religious adherent, and it isn't going to work for you either, no matter how nice your religion is, or makes itself out to be.

      The day you wrap your head around that may be the day you try to work out your own morals, too, instead of taking them from a 2000 year old book, and that same day you may look to the stars and actually realize how wonderful and huge the universe is. You can look at the Hubble deep space photo and finally catch on to the fact that the idea of a god isn't big enough - by a long shot - to account for what is in that single photo.

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    23. Re:Do we have to stoop so low? by TapeCutter · · Score: 1

      Ahmen brother! :)

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  15. Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    We really need a comprehensive examination of the effect that patents have on the distribution of resources within large corporations. I suspect it may turn up some interesting results.

    We need to keep in mind that every dollar that goes to the lawyers who handle patent-related matters is one less dollar going towards the scientist and engineers responsible for research and development. And as we all know, it's the R&D that really has an impact on the world. It's this R&D that brings us the new products, techniques, practices and knowledge that help improve our lives, as well as better our use of our current resources.

    On the other hand, the legal departments of most corporations generates little, if anything, in tangible wealth. They're mostly just a shield against the legal departments of other competing corporations. IP-based lawsuits tend to be nothing more than a cycle of nonproductivity. The engineers and scientists develop practical knowledge, only to have the lawyers fight endlessly over who "owns" this knowledge, all while consuming huge amounts of resources.

    If the money that went to fight these pointless IP battles instead went to the R&D department, we'd likely see a great increase in the development of new technology. In the biomedical field, for instance, this could potentially lead to the creation of treatments for a wide variety of ailments. Now compare the benefit of such development to that offered by the lawyers. What we'll find is that the medical developments will offer a real benefit, while the legal developments will be little more than useless boxes full of paper.

    Economists often claim that patents are necessary to ensure innovation. But I think these same economists are overlooking the extensive benefit that could arise were resources not wasted on petty legal battles over these patents, but instead directed towards more productive uses.

    1. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      or.. if the money that went to fighting those battles could be saved, it might show up in the pockets of the CEOs, etc as well- HP's head person makes several million a year...

    2. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 4, Insightful
      actually, quite the opposite. Sales brings in the dollars... not R&D. The Lawyers are next in line because they keep the dollars coming INTO the company and not OUT of the company. R&D in most places is a function of marketing and manufacturing lately... if they happen to patent something it's generally the Lawyers that get the pat on the back for making good legal use of the companies Intellectual Property... not the inventive person that thought it up.

      that's also why US businesses fail versus their Asian counterparts... the focus in 90% of US businesses is on Financial/sales growth not on actually making the product the customers BUY.

    3. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

      But I think these same economists are overlooking the extensive benefit that could arise were resources not wasted on petty legal battles over these patents, but instead directed towards more productive uses.
      Is it possible that the vast majority of patent disputes are settled quickly with a (cross) licensing deal and/or without a "petty legal battle"?

      I suspect patents disputes are one of those issues where you only hear about the big expensive problems and not the quickly resolved issues which are in the majority.

      Don't forget that the vast majority of all legal confrontations are settled outside of the court system. Otherwise, the court system would be backlogged beyond belief.

      As it is, there has been growing pressure (from the Judges, etc) for non-binding arbitration because it relieves pressure on the civil court system.
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    4. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And where does a high-tech company get the stuff that they sell to make those sales? Yeah, that's right: R&D.

    5. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by samkass · · Score: 1

      It's this R&D that brings us the new products, techniques, practices and knowledge

      R&D tends not to directly produce products. That's generally the job of some combination of marketing, sales, or explicit product managers. Confusion between a "product" and a "technology" is a pretty common problem at many high-tech companies, so I just wanted to clarify things here. Scientists, engineers, and other researchers do produce techniques, practices, and knowledge, though. Turning those into products, customers, and money is the job of marketing, sales, and the lawyers.

      To draw an analogy, why should a country spend any money on defense? It could all be better spent improving the GNP, education, building roads, etc. Until the Grand Duchy of Fenwick comes along, invades, and wins.

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    6. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by steelfood · · Score: 1

      Which is why we shouldn't do away with patents, but make the process more thorough, and done by experts in the field. I have always advocated that we move to a system where multiple qualified academics handle the patent application review in their specialized field. Granted the standards of triviality will suddenly go through the roof, but wasn't that the original intention anyway, for a patent to be non-obvious to true academic experts as opposed to laymen? Of course, to ensure unbiased reviews, academic institutions and those working for such institutions would have to be revoked of their ability to obtain patents so long as they obtain federal funding. Academic institutions not receiving federal funding (including federal financial aid for students) would be treated as a business and allowed to file patents, but their employees would not be allowed to review them.

      By making the patenting process more stringent, fewer frivilous and blatantly obvious patents would be made (like most software patents), and more time would go into real R&D as opposed to patent litigation (fewer patents to defend/attack, and the patented likely won't be easily rediscovered).

      But with D.C. controlled by the special interests, all of whom are for a more lax patenting process (of which the topic of this story is a result), it's not like this is going to actually happen--at least anytime soon. Unfortunately, the judicial is the only branch that remains relatively untainted, and they can't make laws, only validate them. Not that this kind of restructuring is even remotely possible with the executive firmly in the pockets of very specific special interest groups regardless of what the legislative does or does not.

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    7. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2, Funny

      And where does a high-tech company get the stuff that they sell
      China?
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    8. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by trentblase · · Score: 1

      You are essentially proposing that we move the back-end costs of the system up-front. Instead of hiring all the expert witnesses only when a dispute actually arises, you want to hire them as patent examiners before there even is a dispute. I wonder if there is any evidence to suggest that this cost-shifting would result in a lower overall cost, and I personally doubt that it would.

      You also seem to be overlooking the fact that patent examiners aren't generally "laymen", but people with degrees in the hard sciences.

    9. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by daem0n1x · · Score: 1

      Here comes the war between privately owned knowledge and shared knowledge, private research and state-funded research, etc.

      Beware, you may be called a liberal.

    10. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by cnettel · · Score: 1

      The costs within the system might increase. On the other hand, the very idea with such an approach would be to make those patents that are allowed more trustworthy, and limit their number somewhat. This could have positive effects, clearing the ground for small companies (and open source projects) that might currently actually spend time trying to avoid infringing on a patent that shouldn't have been approved in the first place. The "costs" of such defensive means that a much broader perspective is required.

    11. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      R&D drives sales... otherwise what are you going to sell, something that someone who already has taken the market is selling? Then you have to break in and market and compete and undercut and make a profit all at the same time... If you create something then you can establish a market and take it easily.

    12. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And now imagine a higher power which could simply destroy all the weapons (both yours and those of all other countries) and make it impossible to build new ones. Wouldn't the world be a better place if it did? Now, in the case of patents, there's indeed such a higher power: The government. If the government one day declared that no patents are allowed, patents would simply stop to exist.

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    13. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I could be wrong, but I believe that arbitration is by definition binding, and "non-binding arbitration" is called mediation.

    14. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by sac13 · · Score: 1

      Only in an blindly idealistic place like slashdot does this get modded +5, Insightful. I totally agree that a lot of American costs are directed to legal cost centers and the over lawyerization of the American marketplace is troubling. However, the statement about that's why Asian companies are less likely to fail is an overly simplistic view of the market dynamics at work with those different environments. It's true that Asian companies rely less on patents to protect any competitive advantage that they have. That's because they rely less on being innovators in those areas and more on copying already existing technologies and improving manufacturing efficiency. So, the Asian (which by the way I hate to generalize the use of the term because there are many different cultures that are "Asian"... here I'm specifically thinking of China and India... I think Japan's stance on IP is likely different from those two) competitive advantage is in efficiency in execution which is driven in many ways by their lower relative cost of living and therefore cost of labor. Also, in China, the government itself creates the barriers to entry. So, who needs a patent in China? American companies are trying to use patents to protect that R&D investment against that particular Asian competitive strategy. So, they are trying to artificially limit that competition because our government chooses to use that method to limit competition. Sure, the Asians don't use patents like the Americans... That's because they and their governments have a different business model.

    15. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by sjames · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Taken to it's logical conclusion, U.S. economists and MBAs believe that if we could just dedicate our population to selling fictional "units" to each other, magic happens and we all become wealthy. The natural result is what we have now. Economists swear our economy is robust and growing but nobody feels any better off and many are demonstrably worse off.

      By contrast, when invention and R&D were seen as an end in themselves, the general prosperity actually expanded.

      The USPTO has already done a bad enough job thaat it doesn't even vaguely meet the Constitutional requirements for patents. This can't possibly make it any better.

    16. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Lockejaw · · Score: 1

      You also seem to be overlooking the fact that patent examiners aren't generally "laymen", but people with degrees in the hard sciences.
      I would guess that the average patent examiner isn't exactly the cream of the crop in his field. The average degree holder in the field can get a job with reasonably low stress and reasonably good pay. The USPTO offers neither and thus cannot attract the talent and expertise they need. An improvement in working conditions and pay is the only way they'll attract better examiners. However, they don't need to pay the examiners nearly as much as an expert witness (they make hundreds per hour).
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    17. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by lasindi · · Score: 1

      If the government one day declared that no patents are allowed, patents would simply stop to exist.

      And what would take their place? When companies pay people to think up great new ideas, they want to get something in return for the investment - that won't change no matter what government does. With patents, one way to get a return is to patent the ideas and sell products that use them. If you eliminate patents, imagine an investor considering funding research. She will think, "I could incur the cost of paying for the research and then sell the products. But then other investors will simply be able to begin manufacturing and selling the products without having to pay for any research. I'll just let someone else pay for the research and invest in a factory once the technology has already been developed."

      See the problem? The investor paying for the research will be worse off than the rest of her peers. Like all humans, investors are trying to benefit themselves, so they'll wait for someone else to make the sacrifice.

      This is a possible scenario, but there's another - perhaps more likely - outcome. With patents gone, investors continue to fund research but use a different device to increase return on investment: secrecy. Technology is developed behind closed doors and hidden from the public. This might mean products whose inner workings cannot be hidden are less likely to be sold on the market, or that the ideas are cloaked within a bigger product (say, a new device for a car). In the former case, the public doesn't benefit at all, and in the latter case, the net effect is the same as patents, except that there's no deadline for them to expire.

      I am NOT saying that all technology and great ideas spring from capital investment or the pursuit of greater personal wealth. I am NOT saying that the patent process is perfect by any means, or that patents do not cause harm. There *is* a cost to giving the developer of new technology a temporary monopoly on that technology.

      But what is undeniable is that *some* good ideas and technology are made possible by people selfishly trying to become wealthy. Patents give people a selfish reason (and everyone is selfish to some degree) to think up great ideas and, importantly, publish them to the world; they also ensure that the monopoly will run out eventually (which isn't necessarily the case with secrecy).

      There has to be some balance between the benefits of patents (more research) and the harm of patents (temporary monopolies). Eliminating patents will at best force entrepreneurs to use secrecy instead of patents; at worst, it will cause selfish people to go from doing research to doing something that is less beneficial to society but more lucrative for them. You can get rid of patents, but you can't get rid of selfishness - and our laws should reflect this.

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    18. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by trentblase · · Score: 1

      I fail to see how you expect to get the "cream of the crop" to work for the USPTO without paying them "as much as an expert witness". Their witness salaries are dictated by the market for experts, as would their salary as a patent examiner. If you're willing to settle for less than "cream of the crop", I am curious how low you are willing to go. What is the talent/price tradeoff you are willing to accept, and how will you measure this talent? I assume you expect the USPTO to objectively measure their talent because you seem not to accept that their current assessments are adequate.

    19. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by trentblase · · Score: 1

      The small companies might be less scared of avoiding infringement, but would they ever be able to afford a patent of their own? With high up-front costs, they may easily miss their window to apply while seeking capital (this already happens with the comparatively low application costs of the current system). With no protection, everyone else will be able to copy their innovation at marginal cost. This will most likely drive said small business into the ground.

    20. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Qzukk · · Score: 1

      R&D drives sales... otherwise what are you going to sell

      Vaporware. Then once the sales department has marketed it and the legal team has wrangled it, the CEO demands that the R&D team pull all-nighters until they create it. Then "trims the fat" and ditches the R&D.

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    21. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We need to keep in mind that every dollar that goes to the lawyers who handle patent-related matters is one less dollar going towards the scientist and engineers responsible for research and development.

      And what if the lawyer receives that dollar and uses it to generate two dollars of revenue? The company can then spend that two dollars on R&D.

      On the other hand, the legal departments of most corporations generates little, if anything, in tangible wealth
      According to IBM's 2006 annual report, their IP business made $900 million last year, down from over $1.1 billion in 2004. I reckon most of their IP department is lawyers, and I'd call 900 frickin million dollars a pretty substantial pile of cash.
    22. Re:Speaking of effective resource usage.... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1
      but that's the point, Japan and Taiwan are focused on making things to sell... MAKING things to sell... OUR business have moved the manufacturing, the bread and butter money, overseas leaving nothing for the common man do contribute. The Japanese and Taiwanese both expect high marks and contribution from their low level employees almost on par with management. Almost all American businesses I've been in are exactly the opposite... do what you're told even if it's totally stupid and non-efficient.

      R&D is not about having separate guys in a room "researching" it's a state of mind that you look for better ways to do things and encourage everybody in your business to do the same. Look at companies like Honda that encourage anybody in the company to submit ideas to the invention competitions. Companies like Bell Labs and Xerox and early HP made wide-eyed idealism a core of their business. The only company close to that now days is Google. I'm not saying every company should fund the next Parc labs, but many companies leaders in the US loath the idea that the "hourly" guys are anything accept labor to be used up. The bean counters are totally in charge and if they don't recognize the idea as a bean they violently reject it and the employee.

  16. This is new? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

    "Applicants' submissions enjoy a presumption of patentability" says the patent office.

    From what I've been reading in the news these days, it seems like that's how they've operating all along.

    Applicants are also responsible for disclosing any prior art."

    Oh, that's rich. Another lead balloon that one is. Maybe if a perjury charge goes along the revocation of the patent if they get caught failing to do so.

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    1. Re:This is new? by theantipop · · Score: 5, Informative
      32 USC 101:

      Whoever invents or discovers any new and useful process, machine, manufacture, or composition of matter, or any new and useful improvement thereof, may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title.
      Yes it does seem the PTO operates under the presumption of patentability because that's they way the law is written. Everyone around here likes to fancy themselves such experts on our patent system, when they really have no idea how any part of the examination process works. If you really want to feel qualified to rail on the PTO, please feel free to read up on the MPEP which details the prosecution of every given patent application. If you manage to sift through to relevant sections, you will also notice it is standard operating procedure for the applicant to provide known art. It is known as an Information Disclosure Sheet and is merely a supplemental tool the examiner must consider during prosecution.
    2. Re:This is new? by billyd48359 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      antipop, great post. You are right on the money. By the way, I am a patent attorney and I can tell you that I will never, ever recommend the accelerated examination process to a client. Why you ask? Happy to elaborate at least a few reasons. First, one of the requirements of the new accelerated examination procedure is that applicants (likely through their attorney) must identify not only the best prior art, but must characterized what portions of that prior art are most relevant. Yikes! If the attorney, even innocently, identifies or characterizes a portion of the prior art that turns out, during litigation, to have been something other than the very best or most relevant portion of the prior art, the other side will surely allege inequitable conduct. The result? If inequitable conduct is found the patent will likely be held invalid or unenforceable by a court of law. Thus, all the money spend to secure the patent will be for naught. Second, one of the requirements of the new accelerated examination procedure is that the applicants must perform a patentability or novelty search. Then, when applying for accelerated examination, the applicant must identify the classes and subclasses of patents that were searched. However, only AFTER the applicant files his/her patent application does the patent office assign class/subclass designations. If the applicant fails to correctly guess how the patent office will classify the invention, the request for accelerated examination will be denied. Thus, the request for accelerated examination is nothing but a catch-22. The vast majority of requests for accelerated examination have been denied for this very reason. For these and other reasons, the accelerated examination procedure is fraught with perils. User beware. P.S. Not legal advice. Consult your own patent attorney.

    3. Re:This is new? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      Too bad they don't have a "slow as molasses" examination procedure where they perform all the paperwork and check for prior art for you financed by the application fee. Kinda like a patent "public defense attorney" for us poor folk.

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      What?
    4. Re:This is new? by psxndc · · Score: 1

      You forgot the MAJOR reason to counsel your client to not conduct a prior art search: notice. I know YOU know this, but for the benefit of other /.ers: Say your company legitimately spent tons of money on your new inventive widget. The company is betting the farm on it so you want a patent RIGHT NOW and go through the accelerated exam process. As part of it you perform a prior art search and, oh crap, someone out there has a patent either dead on or very similar to soemthing in your widget. You are now aware of the patent if you keep making the widget and they sue the company, the company is a WILLFUL infringer. Treble damages. Yuck.

      There are legal benefits for sticking your head in the sand and a reason the PTO requires that you disclose only what you are aware of (and does not require a search).

      -p-

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    5. Re:This is new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You really must be a Patent Attorney - your post is a solid chunk of make-my-eyes-bleed text that I will undoubtedly fail to read.

      So I have to just assume you're making valid points because of the Slashdot score, and move on to the next...

  17. prior art searching by Grond · · Score: 3, Informative

    A lot of posters are scoffing at the notion that applicants would do a very good job of finding prior art to submit along with their accelerated application. This is not actually the case, however, and the reason it isn't is why the accelerated patent program hasn't gotten much use yet.

    See, imagine that the putative lazy (or evil) attorney doesn't do a very good job of finding prior art and submits an application to patent something otherwise well known in the art. Sure, the PTO may grant the patent on the presumption that the attorney did a thorough search. But if the case gets litigated (which it likely will if the patent is really all that bad), then the other side will easily be able to point out the prior art that the attorney didn't submit. When the patent is invalidated as a result, that attorney is going to get sued into oblivion for malpractice. If the attorney omitted the prior art on purpose in order to get the patent issued, it's even possible that he or she could be censured or disbarred.

    That brings us to why the new program isn't getting much use. Because the patent will issue only a few months after filing the application, the attorney only has a very short amount of time to search for and find any relevant prior art the PTO needs in order to determine which claims to allow and which ones not to. Most attorneys don't feel like they can search the many millions of US and overseas patents in that amount of time (to say nothing of the countless other 'printed publications' that may be prior art as well). So the program isn't getting used very much.

    <rant>
    What would be a good change? Eliminating the presumption of patent validity and making the PTO into a simple time stamping/registration body like the Library of Congress. As it stands now, virtually all patents with any value end up at least being inspected by opposing lawyers if not litigated outright, and a great many of them are found to be worthless or of substantially less worth than they appear at first glance. Eliminating the presumption of validity would get rid of the massive delay and cost of being granted a patent while also pushing the initial burden of proof on to the plaintiff/patentee to show that his or her patent is valid. The loss of this presumption would make a patent less inherently valuable and the number of issued patents would likely actually decrease. Because the cost of initiating patent litigation would go up, the number of suits would go down as well.
    </rant>

    1. Re:prior art searching by blckbllr · · Score: 3, Informative

      Wow. Simply wow. You are so far from the mark.

      The reason why this accelerated program is not being used as much, is because it requires the attorney to make affirmative statements that distinguish the Applicant's invention over the prior art. Under the "non-accelerated" system, an attorney does not HAVE to do a search, and may submit an application with no prior art of record. The onus is then on the Examiner to find relevant art that alone, or in combination, discloses each of the limitations of all of the claims of the Applicant's patent application.

      With this accelerated program, the onus is on the Attorney (or Agent) to disclose to the USPTO exactly what the differences are between the Applicant's invention and the currently available prior art. This has severe impacts on litigation purposes, which you somewhat touched on, but its greatest impact will be on litigating equivalency (the Doctrine of Equivalents) and whether the attorney's indication of what is disclosed in the prior art constitutes prosecution history estoppel.

      If anything, for examination purposes (not litigation purposes), this is a HUGE benefit for Examiners. It allows them to determine more quickly whether an application is actually disclosing a new invention. As an extreme example, under the current system, if I disclose a 4,000 page reference to the Examiner, I did not have to point out in the reference whether it discloses any or all of the limitations claimed by my application. If the Examiner determines that this 4,000 page reference does not disclose the claimed invention of my application and grants it, then I enjoy a presumption that my patent is valid in view of this reference even if it discloses in some way, shape, or form, my invention. It's then up to the litigators to make the invalidity argument. In contrast, with the accelerated program, if I submit this 4,000 page reference, I'm the one that has to show the Examiner exactly where in the reference the relevant portions to my application are.

      As for this presumption that patent applications are presumptively valid, I have no idea where that comes from. PATENTS, not applications, are presumed valid. 35 U.S.C. 282.

    2. Re:prior art searching by Compuser · · Score: 1

      Your rant is way off. If patent validity is strictly established via litigation
      then this puts a barrier to entry for small inventors. The current system is
      also bad in this regard, BTW, both because of litigation and because patent
      lawyers cost a lot just to file and prosecute a patent.
      What is the solution. It is a complex problem and requires a complex reform.
      1. Change USPTO pay scale to make patent examiners much higher paid people
      than senior industry people. That way the older scientists and engineers with
      great understanding of the industry could be lured to review inventions. This
      is the only way to ensure that all prior art is taken into account. Hire
      enough people that each patent can be reviewed at length by a committee of
      three or more examiners.
      2. Introduce a new category of patent rejections: blatantly obvious. People
      who submit those applications waste USPTO time. Charge them a set (and hefty)
      penalty - perhaps a few thousands per person and a few million per corporate
      entity.
      3. Make patents vary in length depending upon industry. The faster-moving
      industries need higher IP turnover. So for instance, software patents would
      not be harmful if they were granted for 3-5 years. Similarly biotech
      patents would be OK if they lasted 5-10 years. Business practices patents
      are ridiculous and should be banned (one way to do that is to make them
      expire within 1-2 years).
      4. Simplify application process. Make USPTO write patent claims and search
      for prior art. The patent applicant would just be required to explain what
      the invention is, all legal language finagling would be done by USPTO. No
      more patent lawyers, no more intentionally vague claims.
      5. Making litigation cheaper is another topic. We need to reform our legal
      system so this is just a little piece of that big problem.

    3. Re:prior art searching by theantipop · · Score: 1

      An application isn't assumed valid, however, according to 35 USC 101, the inventor of a given invention "may obtain a patent therefor, subject to the conditions and requirements of this title". Translation, if you submit an application, barring minor informalities in the application itself, it is up to the examiner to show the invention is not eligible for a patent.

    4. Re:prior art searching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Imagine for yourself, you inept Pangloss, that your patent-mongering attorney fails to acknowledge some lesser-known prior art. The company responsible for said prior art is unable, through out-of-reach legal fees or what have you, to bring suit against the attorney and perhaps his/her employers. It's not that hard to abuse. After all, if there really were an obvious danger in the form of prior art, don't you think a patent lawyer would have heard about it?

    5. Re:prior art searching by Col.+Klink+(retired) · · Score: 1

      If the attorney omitted the prior art on purpose in order to get the patent issued, it's even possible that he or she could be censured or disbarred.
      Right, and the DMCA works so well because to file a takedown requires that you swear under oath that you are the copyright owner and no lawyers have been willing to sign off on anything without due diligence.
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    6. Re:prior art searching by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      See, imagine that the putative lazy (or evil) attorney...

      Anyone can file a patent. You don't have to have/be an attorney.

    7. Re:prior art searching by cjma82 · · Score: 1

      I agree with the poster and am currently working on a paper regarding this topic.

      For those interested in a non USPTO view of the process this article is available at:
      http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-m ar1607-micron_patent.1ab55ce3.html.

      According to the article in the approximately 200 days since the program began and the date of the article, only 236 requests were filed.

      The problems with the program are that it not only increases the risks of a finding a invalidity for an entire patent due to inequitable conduct, it also can limit the scope of patent protection as well as greatly increasing the costs of preparing the application (3x-5x).

    8. Re:prior art searching by magixman · · Score: 1

      1. Change USPTO pay scale to make patent examiners much higher paid people than senior industry people. That way the older scientists and engineers with great understanding of the industry could be lured to review inventions. This is the only way to ensure that all prior art is taken into account. Hire enough people that each patent can be reviewed at length by a committee of three or more examiners.
      Great idea. Not having qualified examiners for very complex subject areas is the biggest single problem. Charge enough for the application to pay these salaries and we all end up being better off.

      2. Introduce a new category of patent rejections: blatantly obvious. People who submit those applications waste USPTO time. Charge them a set (and hefty) penalty - perhaps a few thousands per person and a few million per corporate entity.
      You can't really charge different amounts depending on company size but having a really whopping fee that is partially refunded if you don't do get rejected on the blantently obvious charge could work.

      3. Make patents vary in length depending upon industry. The faster-moving industries need higher IP turnover. So for instance, software patents would not be harmful if they were granted for 3-5 years. Similarly biotech patents would be OK if they lasted 5-10 years. Business practices patents are ridiculous and should be banned (one way to do that is to make them expire within 1-2 years).
      This is ESSENTIAL to reforming the system

      4. Simplify application process. Make USPTO write patent claims and search for prior art. The patent applicant would just be required to explain what the invention is, all legal language finagling would be done by USPTO. No more patent lawyers, no more intentionally vague claims.
      Here I cannot agree with you. Claims *are* the patent. You cannot deny one the right to propose what specifically is unique about their invention. I would propose something along the lines of a line item veto. Most patents are a pyramid of claims that start off with what the author honestly believes is unique and then become more and more general until they become absurd. The USPTO haggles with the patent attourney and they come to an agreement. Just let the examiner give an up or down vote on each claim and we all save time and face. If you want to appeal a veto pay a fee and have your day in court.

      5. Making litigation cheaper is another topic. We need to reform our legal system so this is just a little piece of that big problem.
      And don't forget world peace while you are at it.
    9. Re:prior art searching by Grond · · Score: 1

      As for this presumption that patent applications are presumptively valid, I have no idea where that comes from. PATENTS, not applications, are presumed valid. 35 U.S.C. 282.

      As the article summary says, applications submitted under the new accelerated process are presumptively patentable. Issued patents are, of course, patentable, and that's what my rant addressed. I'm not sure where your confusion came from.

    10. Re:prior art searching by Grond · · Score: 1

      In a perfect world, perhaps the reforms you suggest could be put in place. Unfortunately, I don't think many of them are practical.

      1. "Change USPTO pay scale to make patent examiners much higher paid people
      than senior industry people." I will assume that you mean a salary substantially north of $100k/year. Very, very few government employees make that much (think Congress, President, and the Supreme Court). The PTO has over 4000 examiners. That's a very expensive proposition.

      2. "Introduce a new category of patent rejections: blatantly obvious (with attendant fine)." This would be an essentially unprecedented thing for a government agency to do. Fining an corporation millions of dollars for wasting a few hours of a PTO examiner's time (as would be the case if the invention were blatantly obvious) is pretty hard to justify. As for rejecting the blatantly obvious, examiners do sometimes give a piece of prior art and state that the claimed invention is an obvious improvement, so that's close.

      3. "Make patents vary in length depending upon industry." This I agree with, but it's extremely unlikely. First, the world has just finished more or less agreeing on a 20 years from time of filing standard for patent terms, so deharmonizing the US law would encounter a great deal of opposition here and abroad. Second, it would be difficult to empirically determine what the various categories and their durations should be.

      4. "Simplify application process. Make USPTO write patent claims and search for prior art." The PTO does currently search for prior art, although their search is generally limited to existing patents and patent applications. As for "the patent applicant would just be required to explain what the invention is," that's exactly what the claims are. The claims are the invention. Having the applicant tell the PTO the "gist" or "heart" of the invention is precisely what the current Patent Act (the 1952 Act) was designed to eliminate.

      5. "Making litigation cheaper is another topic." Fair enough, though I certainly agree that it's absurdly expensive and stands in the way of the patent system's Constitutional purpose of promoting the useful arts and sciences.

    11. Re:prior art searching by Compuser · · Score: 1

      1. Expensive? Yes. Necessary? Doubly so.
      2. It is the right thing to do but perhaps would be hard to sell. Perhaps, a person or corporation that files a blatantly obvious patent could be banned for some time from filing any more patents. Kind of like what you do with DOS attacks and temporary banning of IPs.
      3. OK, we're on the same page.
      4. No, this is where you are not getting it at all. The submitter should be able to describe his/her invention in plain language and have this codified into claims by USPTO personnel. That way, you do not claim an invention for yourself, you get credited with an invention by others. Put differently, the government is the entity that formulates what monopoly it is granting you (you do not write your own terms).
      5. see #3 :).

    12. Re:prior art searching by blckbllr · · Score: 1

      Ah.

      "Presumptively patentable" vs. "presumptively valid."

      I see it now. Thanks.

      And actually, in view of the previous comment by theantipop, I don't know why this statement is in the news brief.

      "Any invention that is new, useful, non-obvious, and which is accompanied by a written description disclosing how to make and use it can be patented. Applicants' submissions enjoy a presumption of patentability. Thus, to reject an application the USPTO is responsible for ensuring that any evidence indicating that the invention is not new or is obvious (known as "prior art") is identified and explaining why the invention is not patentable in view of the evidence.

      I checked the Accelerated Examination website, and I couldn't find anything in there about applications being presumptively patentable. As I have access to the USPQ online, I also did a quick search in the U.S.P.Q. 2d. (brief description of what the USPQ is here) for Fed. Cir. decisions holding that applications are "presumptively patentable." Nothing there either.

      So, unless the release is discussing 35 U.S.C. 101 or the language of 35 U.S.C. 102, I don't know why this statement was even made.

      Any thoughts?

  18. Patent 7,003,069: March Fools Day by EmbeddedJanitor · · Score: 2, Funny
    As is well known by those familiar with the art, April 1 is the day when existing joke technology makes silly claims. This has become rather predictable and lacks attention grabbing appeal.

    This disclosure teaches a novel day on which to spring those jokes. By using March 29, a whole new dimension is added to joking.

    Add drawing here.

    Claims...

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  19. I have a patent... by ehaggis · · Score: 1

    ... on the "Accelerated Review Process"; so back off USPTO!

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    1. Re:I have a patent... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That, my friend, would be called a Trademark.

  20. What a horrible idea... by psykocrime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If anything, they need to find ways to SLOW DOWN the process of issuing patents. I mean, seriously, there should be *maybe* 3-4 patents
    granted, per year, worldwide, if we actually went by any realistic definitions of novel, innovative, and non-obvious. The world needs
    fewer patents being granted, not more.

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    1. Re:What a horrible idea... by theantipop · · Score: 1

      I hope you're not suggesting there are only 3-4 inventions per year that meet even the strictest interpretations of statutory, novel and non-obvious. Do you seriously think so little research goes on in this world?

    2. Re:What a horrible idea... by Compuser · · Score: 1

      I agree with the grandparent. My definition of non-obvious is as follows:
      Suppose a patent, once granted is valid for X years. Then...
      an innovation is non-obvious if a given industry has spent at least X years trying to
      come up with a solution to a well-defined problem and failed, whereas the proposed
      innovation does solve the problem. Furthermore, the problem in question should not
      be quantitatively posed but must be qualitative in nature. In other words, just because
      no-one has made a car with 100 mpg before does not mean your car is innovative.
      On the other hand, making the very first internal combustion engine is innovative.

    3. Re:What a horrible idea... by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      Well, yes. Some of us ARE suggesting that there are only a few things every year that are truly innovative enough to be deserving of a patent.

      I don't know if I'd go as low as 3 or 4, but I doubt it's as high as 500. The vast majority of things patented are trivial tweaks to other things, not real innovations.

  21. This will benefit big corporations by birge · · Score: 1

    At this point, the patent process has become completely trivial, with the only hurdles and scrutiny occurring during litigation. So, this is essentially a huge gift to large corporations with deep pockets. The patent system will now completely become a game of intimidation and a dead weight on the economy. Amazing how the good parts of central government tend wither away with corruption until they become useless, whereas the bad parts of central government grow and grow.

    1. Re:This will benefit big corporations by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The patent system will now completely become a game of intimidation and a dead weight on the economy. Where have you been? That's what it's been for a while. At this point it does nothing but hold back progress.
    2. Re:This will benefit big corporations by birge · · Score: 1

      It was the "completely" part of it that I was stressing. Perhaps I should've used bold face... Before, it would at least *sometimes* protect small companies, in that the government would prevent larger ones from patenting the technology of the smaller company. At this point there's nothing stopping said large company from just patenting the whole portfolio of a smaller competitor, regardless of how bogus, and then litigating them to death. In America, it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong, just how much money you have to spend dragging out a legal battle of attrition. Seriouslly, I think it's time to start killing all the lawyers...

  22. As usual, they only solve half the problem by Lloyd_Bryant · · Score: 1

    I fully expect (like most Slashdotters) that this will be abused. But there is a germ of a *useful* idea in this - do the "accelerated" processing, then post the patent on a publicly accessible web site for 90 days afterwards. Allow people to comment, noting prior art that the applicant missed (or deliberately left out). After the 90 days, the examiners look at it again, taking into account any of the info from the public review.

    The patent system *does* need to be speeded up - the time required to obtain a patent is absurd given the pace of current technology. But this approach, by itself, will simply shorten the time in the patent office by offloading the work onto the court system. Standard bureaucratic procedure - pass the buck.

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    1. Re:As usual, they only solve half the problem by Shados · · Score: 1

      Now I wonder...who's paid the most... a monkey who's reviewing patents, or a supreme court judge...

    2. Re:As usual, they only solve half the problem by markjazz · · Score: 1

      This is the right solution, to have a website that shows all patent applications, and allows everyone to comment on it. After the 90 days the comments can be examined, to see if the patent should be granted. But this can be an ongoing process, so further prior art can be added anytime for approved patents. This way the system is more like a forum, web board for applications.
      If the patent owner would want to litigate based on infringement, the prior art section would have to be re-examined, with the cost and burden on the patent owner for the process. This is fair, as the owner is who wants to use the patent system for financial gain. Introducing such changes will fix much of the current problems.

  23. Ahh, but... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 2, Funny

    ... how do you know the calendar isn't fooling you? ;)

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  24. Why not a vending machine? by icebike · · Score: 1

    If everything that walks in the door is presumed to be patentable and the applicant is the only one responsible for a prior art search, couldn't we handle the patent office more cheaply by installing a vending machine in every post office?

    The results would be the same, except we could avoid all the wait time and salery expense.

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    1. Re:Why not a vending machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too late, I already self-certified the patent for your idea. Of course, somehow, the prior art section of my submission got lost. Oh well.

  25. More than that... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

    Patents now actively discourage innovation. Get rid of them!
    They also discourage the development and distribution of current software
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    1. Re:More than that... by TheVelvetFlamebait · · Score: 1

      Whoops! It seems I failed to comprehend the title, didn't RTFS or TFA. I feel like a complete tool.

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  26. Free Prior Art Verification Service by biocute · · Score: 1

    Just post your ideas on Slashdot, if slashdotters start screaming up and down about prior arts, you should not proceed.

    Maybe USPTO will start doing that?

    1. Re:Free Prior Art Verification Service by cjma82 · · Score: 2, Informative

      A pilot program for that idea has already been initiated:
      http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/11/03/00 23220&from=rss

  27. An idea by RecoveredMarketroid · · Score: 1

    Someone should patent the idea for an accelerated patent approval process. ('Why no, I'm not aware of any prior art!)

    Then we could force them to stop using the process! (Or at least, demand royalties!)

  28. Image found! by SeaFox · · Score: 1

    I found a rare photo of the new accelerated review processing machine!

  29. Only way out is through by defile · · Score: 2, Insightful

    No elected official is going to support a move to just invalidate every patent ever granted unless their campaign platform is How Much They Hate America(TM)

    No one's going to spend the time/effort reviewing existing patents for validity under new guidelines.

    The only way to fix the system is to let anyone patent everything and have the system collapse in on itself. A decade of courts being clogged in patent-litigation carnage ought to let a more reasonable standard emerge.

    1. Re:Only way out is through by kcbrown · · Score: 2, Informative

      The only way to fix the system is to let anyone patent everything and have the system collapse in on itself. A decade of courts being clogged in patent-litigation carnage ought to let a more reasonable standard emerge.

      <sarcasm> Yeah, because this approach has worked so very well in other legal venues, like liability. </sarcasm>

      A law changing the patentability rules needn't necessarily apply retroactively to existing patents. It's far better to let current patents fall by the wayside over time via patent litigation and expiration while applying a much tougher standard to new patents than it would be to continue the existing system.

      Experience has shown that the backlog of the legal system does little to discourage litigation. Worse, the increased demand for patent litigation will make said litigation more expensive, particularly for the defendants, which ultimately drains money from more productive pursuits (like, say, research).

      Your approach would kill what little real innovation is left in the U.S. far before the system collapsed in on itself.

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    2. Re:Only way out is through by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only way to fix the system is to let anyone patent everything and have the system collapse in on itself. A decade of courts being clogged in patent-litigation carnage ought to let a more reasonable standard emerge.
      So, you're saying that we wait two more years for this new standard?
  30. Patent found! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. Re:Patent found! by DarkVader · · Score: 1

      And THAT is a perfect example of how the patent system is broken.

      That patent is from 1997. It might have been a reasonable patent - in 1797.

      As it is, it should never have been issued.

  31. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by mdfst13 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    immediate revocation of the patent That seems plenty sufficient a penalty. If there is undisclosed prior art, you lose the patent. Thus if a company wants a strong patent, the burden is on it to write the patent narrowly (to minimize the possible of conflicting claims from prior art) and do a thorough search for prior art. This would reverse the current situation, where companies try to write the *broadest* patent that they can get accepted and the patent office is responsible for showing prior art limiting the claims.

    Personally, I would like to see the patent office move from being an evaluator of applications to being an arbiter between plaintiff and defendant in patent infringement claims. If they accepted every patent application and only evaluated the claims when disputed, that would be a fundamentally easier job. Then the defendant would be responsible for discovering the prior art rather than the patent office. This is a stronger model, because the defendant is also the own who would suffer damages (and is presumably someone who has knowledge in the field). One of the weaknesses of the current model is that the patent office is not the one that suffers when weak or overly broad patents get through.
  32. Calm down.. It's not so bad. by stratjakt · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Applicants have a duty to disclose to the USPTO relevant prior art of which they are aware. However, applicants are not required to search for prior art. Under the USPTO's accelerated examination procedure, applicants are required to conduct a search of the prior art, to submit all prior art that is closest to their invention, and explain what the prior art teaches and how their invention is different.

    So, if you try to patent bubble sort this way, and get caught not disclosing prior art which you as someone "skilled in the art" (by default, you're applying), you're basically guilty of perjury, or whatever the lawyers would call lying to the goverment.

    The feds tend to lock you up for that sort of shit.

    No, I think the type of bullshit patents we hate are better filed the old way.

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  33. Let's experiment a little, then, shall we? by Bright+Apollo · · Score: 1

    http://www.freepatentsonline.com/20070027706.html

    All replies should be links or pointers to prior art for the above patent. It's not overly-obvious, but I think the exercise will prove the point that patents are far too easy to obtain.

    -BA

    1. Re:Let's experiment a little, then, shall we? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You do realise that is an application not a granted patent, right?

    2. Re:Let's experiment a little, then, shall we? by Bright+Apollo · · Score: 1

      yup, which makes it even more of an exercise with practical application

      -BA

  34. HA! Getting sued and wining is worse then... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Getting sued and losing sometimes.

    Do you have any idea how much defense of a patent lawsuite costs!!?!

    That's why this is such bullshit. Because even if the patent is frivilous you loose simply by being sued.

    Say your a software company with 60-200 employees. Anual income of 3 million dollars, costs and wages run about 2-2.5 million, your in debt to the bank still for the loan you got to start the business. You make free software that is popular and charge for customizations and support services.

    Now Microsoft sues you for 'bubble sort'.

    WAM. Bancrupt instantly!

    Your FUCKED. Your business is fucked. Your employees are fucked. All the people who depend on your software are fucked.

    Sure you win, then you counter sue Microsoft and get court costs. IF you last that long, which you probably won't.

    But still the damage has been done. It's years later and Microsoft or other companies has taken over your market since all the time and money you would of spent on improving the software was all spent on the lawsuit.

    And you think that Microsoft or some other company is going to sue a lawyer for this service? Fuck no.

  35. No oversight by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They might as well make a Rubber Stamping machine for patents, you just feed the files through it like a coin sorter.

  36. Revenue enhancement.. by the_rajah · · Score: 1

    Doesn't anyone else see this as a simple way to generate more income for the USPTO? It sure looks like it to me. More patents, more fees. "Prior art? We ain't got no prior art. We don't need no prior art. I don't have to show you any stinking prior arts!" (Apologies to Alfonso Bedoya, AKA "Gold Hat" in The Treasure of the Sierra Madre (1948))

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    1. Re:Revenue enhancement.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this post up. This is a fundamental, systemic problem with US patent system. USPTO gets more money by approving more patents.

    2. Re:Revenue enhancement.. by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 1

      Doesn't anyone else see this as a simple way to generate more income for the USPTO? It sure looks like it to me. More patents, more fees.

      I think you're right. Years ago I worked for the US federal government and I think I have a pretty good idea of how this will work out. The feds are real good at protecting their own agencies. More patents is great for the USPTO. More patents means more fees. It also means more examiners have to be hired. More examiners means there is a need for more managers. More managers means there is a need for more mid-level managers to manage these new managers managing these new examiners and so on. The last thing the USPTO wants is a decrease in patent applications as it would reduce their income and headcount.

  37. Not New Program by da_yingyang0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Applicants have a duty to disclose to the USPTO relevant prior art of which they are aware. However, applicants are not required to search for prior art. Under the USPTO's accelerated examination procedure, applicants are required to conduct a search of the prior art, to submit all prior art that is closest to their invention, and explain what the prior art teaches and how their invention is different. In addition to providing and explaining any prior art references, applicants must explicitly state how their invention is useful and must show how the written description supports the claimed invention. It looks to me as a way for big business to get patents quicker. This process is practically no different than what use to happen. You always did a prior art search before filing for a patent because you didn't want to waste the money on a patent that will be denied. You even listed the prior art in the patent application. The only thing that appears to be changing is that the patent examiners aren't going to being doing their own search for prior art. This "improvement" looks like it will lowering the quailty of patents at a time when most patents being issued are already suspect.
  38. A we trust everybody policy by baomike · · Score: 1

    You don't think anyone would be untruthful do you?

  39. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by kcbrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That seems plenty sufficient a penalty. If there is undisclosed prior art, you lose the patent. Thus if a company wants a strong patent, the burden is on it to write the patent narrowly (to minimize the possible of conflicting claims from prior art) and do a thorough search for prior art. This would reverse the current situation, where companies try to write the *broadest* patent that they can get accepted and the patent office is responsible for showing prior art limiting the claims.

    In short, you think that the way things are right now should be sufficient penalty (hint: if prior art is found and accepted by either the patent office or the courts, the patent is invalidated). Sorry, but reality has already proven you wrong on that.

    The problem right now is that even with a weak patent, a company can strongarm others into paying up because the costs of defending a patent infringement suit are high and the probability of doing so successfully is low, thanks to the idiotic assumption of the courts that a patent is automatically valid if approved by the USPTO. In other words, the courts assume that the USPTO is actually doing its job, when the fact of that matter is that it's not.

    So the consequences of undisclosed prior art need to be much more severe.

    In my opinion, a finding of prior art against a patent should not only invalidate that patent, but should prevent all those who were involved in filing the patent from filing further patents for a relatively long period of time (say, 5 years), just like the grandparent suggests.

    Without such strong disincentives, the free-for-all that we've been seeing will continue unabated.

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  40. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by metlin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except that once again, people would be worried about going to court against a big corporation for a patent they own, even if they had the upper hand.

    Because even if you had a good enough patent, without a good lawyer there isn't much use defending it. And corporations can spend enormous amounts of money and time until you buckle under.

    Which is precisely the reason why your idea is a horrible one. If anything, it places even more power in the hands of lawyers.

    At least right now, there is some degree of protection.

  41. Let's patent... uh.. by plasmacutter · · Score: 1

    air! ; )

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    1. Re:Let's patent... uh.. by maxwell+demon · · Score: 2, Funny

      Or breathing, ehm, I mean: a method to increase the oxygen level of blood while reducing its carbon dioxide level by periodically sucking air into the lungs and then blowing it out again.

      Ok, maybe I should make it more general:

      Claims:

      1. A method of exchange of gases between a gas mixture containing such gases and a liquid transporting those gases, by having a resizeable gas volume, which is periodically expanding and shrinking in order to suck in and blow out the gas mixture, and having the liquid flow along membranes to that gas volume, where the membrane allwos diffusion of those gases into or out of the liquid.

      2. Claim 1, where the gas mixture is air.

      3. Claim 1, where the exchanged gases are oxygen and carbon dioxide.

      4. Claim 1, where the liquid is blood.

      5. Claim 1, where the resizeable gas volume is the human lung.

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  42. Mod parent UP (Funny) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hey, moderators, where are you? This deserves +5 Funny for sure....

  43. And the song remains the same by c0d3h4x0r · · Score: 1

    "Applicants' submissions enjoy a presumption of patentability"

    And that's different from the normal process somehow?

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  44. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    > (hint: if prior art is found and accepted by either the patent office or the courts, the patent is invalidated).

    My understanding (TGIANAL) of the current situation is that the individual claims for which there is prior art are invalidated. My impression is that the GP wants to change this so that the whole patent is invalidated if any prior art is found for any claim in it.

    That's a big difference, and on the surface looks like a positive change. Unfortunately, without additional limitations, it probably would just lead to rich corporations filing even more patents, each with one narrow claim. But the Patent Office might go for it, since it would multiply the fees paid by these corporations by a factor of 10 or more.

  45. Two orders of magnitude too obvious by presidenteloco · · Score: 2, Insightful

    One of the big problems with the "software" or "computerized business process" patents granted at USPTO is that many of them are very obvious to "a skilled practitioner in the field". This is the major factor that brings the whole area of law into disrepute.

    You know, maybe I couldn't have thought up the RSA algorithm on the spur of the moment after a moment's pondering of the topic,
    but for many of the US software or biz process patents these days, the inherent structure of the problem domain, analyzed with
    standard requirements analysis techniques, suggests to any competent analyst the form of the computerized solution, and
    standardized design principles and patterns supply the rest of the solution. But lo and behold, it's still patented at USPTO.

    You see, clicking on a link to purchase something, or downloading and running a software program in a browser,
    or tracking who is clicking on hyperlinks by including a personal code in the url... or making a doubly linked list...
      I could go on and on... These are all "moment's thought" obvious to a computer science graduate, or else were the
    subject of second-year lectures on algorithms, thus known widely in computer science for decades.

    Here's an idea. Why doesn't the USPTO have the software tech community and the computer science academic community
    elect a board of 20 truly leading innovators (software engineering gods) and truly leading academics in the field, who
    are willing to serve as a software or computerized business process review board. If ninety percent of this board finds
    a given patent application non-obvious by their standards, then heck, maybe there's a (still weak) case for patentability.

    But otherwise, leave us the hell alone to think and design and code as we see fit and are more than capable of doing easily
    for the vast majority of these ridiculous patents, without bothering to look at how the patenter did it.

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    1. Re:Two orders of magnitude too obvious by theantipop · · Score: 1

      That sounds well and good (forgetting the fact that you'd be skirting the legal guidelines of examining a patent), but how is a board of 20 people going to review 50,000 or more software patent applications per year?

    2. Re:Two orders of magnitude too obvious by presidenteloco · · Score: 1

      Have the academic and leading innovator board examine only those that the current "rest of the board" say should be granted.

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  46. Needed: "small claims court" analogue for patents by Mathinker · · Score: 1

    What might fix this is requiring all initial patents suits go through a court similar to "small claims court", where the initial decision is made if the (large corporation's) suit seems largely without merit. A typical example might be that the defendent exhibits the existence of clear prior art. In that case, the corporation from that point on has to disclose all expenditure on its legal council, etc., and pay matching funds to the defendent (e.g., small inventor) to enable him to have a fair trial.

    The weak link here is the (possibly bribable) judge of this initial court, who seems to have too much power. Anyone got ideas how to fix that?

  47. good heavens by l3v1 · · Score: 1

    Applicants' submissions enjoy a presumption of patentability

    This is stupid on so many levels. You want to fix a broken patent system which lets through hundreds of stupid patent by making them easier to slip through ? For heaven's sake, this issue shouldn't be treated like cream with sugar, it should be treated like the worst dictatorship, every and each submission should be presumed to be junk and only if validity could be proved, should it be allowed to be passed.

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  48. As they say on Fark... by Wabbit+Wabbit · · Score: 2, Funny

    this should end well.

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    1. Re:As they say on Fark... by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      I thought all they did at Fark was hack Photoshop and drool over Anne Coulter. They say stuff, too?

      (oh, I'm gonna pay for that)

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  49. We were part of the pilot by Dolcera · · Score: 1

    My company Dolcera (http://www.dolcera.com) participated in the pilot process for this USPTO service. We believe that we did a very thorough prior art search for each patent that was submitted - at least as good a search as the patent examiner would conduct. We believe that it's an excellent program and companies like ours can really help the patent system improve and improve quickly.

    1. Re:We were part of the pilot by vivaoporto · · Score: 1

      Did you got the patents? If so, what are the products/patent numbers?

    2. Re:We were part of the pilot by Don_dumb · · Score: 1

      We believe that we did a very thorough prior art search for each patent that was submitted - at least as good a search as the patent examiner would conduct.
      Wow, that thorough eh?
      You are either advertising badly, or pretending to be someone who works for them. But let us assume the former. -

      Consider Dolcera, From the site - "Dolcera LLC is an international services firm specializing in intellectual property"

      The very idea that a company that 'does' intellectual property and has the most to gain from a bad patent application system, considers this change a good thing, would be the evidence that this is a bad idea.
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  50. Uncle Sam gets monety from every patent. by joebob2000 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The patent office makes more than its operating costs from patent fees. Instead of lowering fees or hiring new examiners, the excess goes into the general fund. This announcement amplifies their existing position of taking no responsibility for the results of their examination. It is also an artifice to justify raising fees for accelerated processing, where "accelerated" is a euphemism for "more hasty and slipshod".

  51. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by kcbrown · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, without additional limitations, it probably would just lead to rich corporations filing even more patents, each with one narrow claim. But the Patent Office might go for it, since it would multiply the fees paid by these corporations by a factor of 10 or more.

    That's exactly what would happen. And that still wouldn't improve the current situation, either, because the burden of proof in a patent infringement suit would still remain with the defense. The root of the problem is that the courts think the USPTO is properly screening patent applications when it's really just a patent rubber-stamping machine.

    And that's why invalidating the patent isn't enough.

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  52. How wrong can you be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The feds tend to lock you up for that sort of shit"

    I would like you to list one person ever put in jail for lying on a patent application. I mean, in the entire 230 year of the United States, name one person.

    On the other hand, you said it very well, and with conviction, so I guess that's worth something.

    1. Re:How wrong can you be? by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      Think lying on a tax return. Anybody been jailed for that?

      The applicatant has never been allowed to take responsibility for prior art before.

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    2. Re:How wrong can you be? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      q) What does lying on a tax return have to do with perjuring yourself on a patent application?

      a) Nothing.

      Don't be silly.

    3. Re:How wrong can you be? by stratjakt · · Score: 1

      They are both attempts to defraud the US government for financial gain.

      Go ahead and try it, if you're so sure there's no possible come-uppance for misrepresenting your application.

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  53. By patenting everything ... by OneSmartFellow · · Score: 1

    ...we patent nothing.

    At last, a system that achieves the dreams and desires of many /. users !

    I, for one, welcome our new express patenting overlords.

  54. Re:Excellent - I am patenting the doubly linked li by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    They're no big deal if you're Joe Corporate with a school of sharks on retainer.

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  55. I just received notice that my patent application by Organic+Brain+Damage · · Score: 2, Funny

    #73401293458323 for a system of representing sounds using glpyhs, which we call an Alphabet(tm) has been granted. By my calculations, the posters in this thread owe a total of $87,043.51 in licensing fees. Please pay by check to: General Patent Enterprises, Inc. Attn: Patent Licensing Dept. 6123 West Covina Blvd, #3432, Newport Beach CA, 90232-1233. If payment is not received prior to June 1st, 2007, you can expect to hear from our legal team.

  56. FDR said it best by hey! · · Score: 1

    "The only thing we have to fear is fear itself - nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance."

    Progress is often a process of creative destruction. When President Lincoln called the US "a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal," he meant a new kind of nation based on new principles that replaced the cherished principles of the past. The US founders included radical thinkers, such as Jefferson, but also conservatives, such as John Adams. But even the conservatives were conservative in a forward looking way. Adams didn't want to return to the days of the Stuarts, nor to the days of Cromwell, but hoped to create a new perfection of the English constitution.

    The surest way to ensure national decline is to long sentimentally for some mythical past and obsess about how to stop the tides of change. All of us, conservative or liberal, are being dragged into a future that is neither precisely like the past nor remotely like we imagined it would be. We serve our values and principles better by recognizing we're brining them into a new arena.

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  57. Lawyers bring home lots of money by Nursie · · Score: 1

    If you have a big enough patent portfolio and lots of patents people need then licensing brings in loads of cash year after year. And for absolutely no new work.

    Now, I don't necessarily think this is a good thing, but hell, it's a major revenue stream for some companies.

  58. Don't we already have enough patents ... by rben · · Score: 1

    that shouldn't have been issued in the first place?

    This makes it way too easy to get a patent. Now you don't even have to search for prior art? That places an even greater burden on the patent office. Why should any examiner reject a patent now, if it means a great deal more work for him/her? If examiners are evaluated by number of patents they process, there will be a strong incentive to rubber stamp each and every application that comes in through this new system.

    It's foolish to set up a system that is so badly skewed. It will result in more bad patents that are used to extort money from small businesses that can't afford to defend against bogus infringement claims. And since software patents seem to have become law without any bill authorizing them, it will mean it is even easier for companies like Microsoft to attack Open Source.

    I don't oppose patents, but I believe that we need to be rigorous in how they are given out. Our government needs to remember that it's duty is not only to the multi-billion dollar corporations in this country, but to the individual citizens who will be affected financially by the cost of bad patent office decisions.

    I'll support a fast track patent service once the USPTO can demonstrate that it's not giving out patents for glaringly obvious inventions simply because the patent was filed by a large corporation.

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  59. That's why a true cure by Wolfier · · Score: 1

    Is a "loser-pay" court system. Just let the loser pay all the legal fees of both parties. I'm sure it'll have an impact on behavior when large corporations apply for patents.

    1. Re:That's why a true cure by metlin · · Score: 1

      That implies that the other side will have enough resources (finances and time) to be able to win in court. It's like the RIAA cases, it's a lot easier to reach for a settlement and give in than not.

      Sadly, most of these cases get settled outside of the courtroom because the defendant does not have enough resources to stay long enough to fight and win.

  60. How do you hire the best people? by Grashnak · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This is a little off-topic, but it must be almost impossible for any patent office to attract enough people who are both intelligent enough and educated enough to wade through complex patent applications, particularly related to technology, and have any hope of understanding them to a sufficient degree to make intelligent decisions about them. Given that an organization like the patent office isn't exactly the top priority for a government that is sinking in debt while funding a war and tax cuts, they can't possibly be paying enough to attract a large number of highly skilled professionals with the breadth and depth of knowledge to address these patents. I guess this is why they are leaning towards peer review, but the person at the patent office still has to be sufficiently skilled to know if the "peer" review is accurate or BS. I don't envy the folks at the patent office.

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    1. Re:How do you hire the best people? by micromuncher · · Score: 1

      It doesn't matter, because as in other spheres, the Steak and Lobster Dinners will start as companies lobby to have their patents realized.

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  61. HA HA HA HA HA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The posters in this thread can use the patent all they want because the damages calculations on each post would amount to 5 cents maybe and the filing fee plus attorney fees would exceed any practical reason for filing suit.

    Find all related patents, find the best friggin 'embodiment' of sounds usings glyphs in the field. Rip the code out of the specification. Tell the patentee to send out the US marshalls to collect your 5 cent default judgement.

    Its not a crime its a civil matter.

    Don't wig out over patented code that Joe Blow uses for his Mom and Pop shop. Enforcement is statistically irrelevant.

    Why don't you COMMIES go out and create something instead of BITCHING all the time.

    Its probably because you are hesitant to do any real work in order to truly INNOVATE (drive economic growth) because you are compelled by doctrine to relinquish your work to the great cause, the all knowing FSF (AKA gobbledygook contract authors).

  62. Suggested site names for accelerated processing by argent · · Score: 1

    blog.uspto.gov
    wiki.uspto.gov
    uspto.slashdot.org

  63. How to save more money... by argent · · Score: 1

    Outsource the process to Verisign.

  64. Political Cartoon (in words) by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 1

    A pity this isn't a big enough issue for the general public, or else you'd see this political cartoon for it:

    A desk stands in an otherwise bare office. The desk is labeled USPTO. No one sits behind the desk. On the desk, a sign reads "SELF-SERVICE". Also present is a rubber stamp and pad. The bottom of the stamp is visible and reads (in mirror-image of course) "APPROVED".

    A nearby wastebasket is labeled "Prior-Art File". A stone wheel is in it.

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  65. Patentees usually want delay by feenberg · · Score: 1

    There isn't really any motivation for the applicant to want fast action on a patent. The patent duration runs from the grant date, so that it is usually in the applicants interest to delay the issuance. There are a lot of rules to try to prevent that, to little effect. In some cases rivals may start selling infringing product before a patent is granted, but that isn't the usual case.

    From the applicants point of view, this new procedure is valuable if there is prior art, and the applicant is afraid the examiner might locate it. Of course the applicant has to swear not to be aware of the prior art, but that is a subjective matter, and unlikely to be enforced rigorously. If the applicant is worried, he can have the patent attorney do the search, and not communicate specifics of the findings, only the recommendation.

    1. Re:Patentees usually want delay by cjma82 · · Score: 1

      This is a misinterpretation regarding motivation. The patent duration runs from the grant date, but the 20-year term starts running down from the date of filing. Inequitable conduct is almost always raised in litigation and the practitioner preparing/filing the application also has a duty of candor any prior art material to patentability. A presumption that a thorough search could weigh heavily to show the applicant intended to deceive the USPTO, invalidating the entire patent, not just the particular claims disclosed.

    2. Re:Patentees usually want delay by feenberg · · Score: 1

      No matter how much the USPO tries to make the attorney responsible for his work, it is very difficult to do so. At the IRS tax attorneys used to have such responsibilities, but in recent years they have devolved in practice to "zealous advocates" and no constraints are placed on their behavior. This isn't any change in the law, just a feeling among judges that zealous advocacy is an attorney's right, and the clients right, and that restrictions are morally wrong. There is also the example of the NRC, the FCC and many other agencies. In the end, the restrictions are undone regardless of the regulations.

  66. Maybe by foniksonik · · Score: 1

    The USPTO should be using an expert system to file patents instead of free-form write it out in obscure terms system that exists today.

    This would allow for much easier searching, simplify the patent application process and make auditing a breeze. Do it like a branching survey. Pick your category and go from there. Sure allow some free-form explanation of why your patent doesn't quite fit into one of the available categories, after you have supplied a new category name that then becomes available to everyone else as an option. Some parts will still be unstructured but will be categorized first with a couple of good data points.

    So USPTO rep? I know you're reading this (you're obviously not reviewing patent applications)... why not?

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  67. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

    If there is undisclosed prior art, you lose the patent.

    And if there is undisclosed prior art that you knew about, you go to jail for perjury.

  68. A Patent Application by Looce · · Score: 1

    "Hi. I'm here to apply for a patent.

    The scope of the invention is using the computational power of many inexpensive computers to create a system capable of high-performance computation via distribution of a task amongst the individual computers.

    We call this technology Beowulf.

    There is no prior art."

  69. Re:Guaranteed to produce invalid patents by DigitalCrackPipe · · Score: 1

    So the consequences of undisclosed prior art need to be much more severe.

    I'd suggest penalties such as a fine at least as large as any profits made on this invalid patent, plus punitive damages if the courts find that the prior art was willfully withheld. I'd like to see that kind of balancing penalty on any 'white collar crime' that currently has penalties smaller than the profit made through misdeeds.

  70. Re:I just received notice that my patent applicati by cybermage · · Score: 1

    Please pay by check to: General Patent Enterprises, Inc. Attn: Patent Licensing Dept. 6123 West Covina Blvd, #3432, Newport Beach CA, 90232-1233. If payment is not received prior to June 1st, 2007, you can expect to hear from our legal team.

    How would they address the envelope without violating your patent?

  71. Re:I just received notice that my patent applicati by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your patent only applies if I sound out the letters. You'll have to tap my webcam to see if my lips are moving as I type.

  72. "What prior art" ? by a1mint · · Score: 0

    "Applicants are also responsible for disclosing any prior art". Hmm. If you enclose prior art, it wouldn't be eligible for a patent now, would it? And the lawyer-candy patent mine field grows and grows. Aren't there any "honest" lawyers that could tell the PTO that the system is flawed? Oh wait, that's pretty stupid question. We all need to put bread on the table... How does one sleep at night?

  73. Backlogged? What? by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
    Otherwise, the court system would be backlogged beyond belief.

    Methinks you've not been paying attention. Not only is the court system backlogged, it starts right at the top with time limits and all manner of restrictions on what it will hear, regardless of applicability. The court system has been broken for years. Just like the rest of the system, only a bit worse. You can see it in decisions (pot grown in California for use in California is an "interstate commerce" matter, "make no law" means "make some law", "shall not be infringed" means "we can infringe this way", "no ex post facto law" means "unless we want to", etc.) You can see it in the war on personal choice (misnamed the war on drugs by the mommy-police); you can see it in the blithe ignorance of the president's violation of his oath, you can see it in the fact that judges are allowed to fall asleep at the bench and get away with it without it even having any effect on the decisions made that session. And of course, with regard to patents, the fact that software patents have not been thrown out en masse is one of the most telling measure of judicial incompetence of all.

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