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Astronaut to Run the Boston Marathon From Space

BostonBehindTheScenes writes "American astronaut Sunita Williams will run 26.2 miles on a treadmill on Patriot's Day (April 16th for those of you outside of Massachusetts) while runners on the ground will compete in the 111th Boston Marathon, according to this New Scientist article. And yes, she is an actual registered participant who qualified by finishing among the top 100 women in the Houston Marathon in 2006. NASA's press release touts this as yet another space first."

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  1. Pork. by Morky · · Score: 5, Funny

    I protest! She is wasting precious oxygen paid for by you the taxpayer.

    1. Re:Pork. by Sobrique · · Score: 2, Informative

      Parent post didn't mention the US at any point. Or does the fact that it might be a european taxpayer make it all ok?

    2. Re:Pork. by arivanov · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That should actually be the Russian taxpayer (primary life support is provided by the Zvezda module). And I do not particularly recall any historical period when the rulers of Russia gave a flying fuck about their cittizen's thoughts on governmental spending. In fact, modern Russian state is founded on government diverting taxation money from where it is supposed to go. That what Ivan Kalita (the Wallet) did to start the second Russian state and the tradition has carried on from there onwards.

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    3. Re:Pork. by GreyPoopon · · Score: 4, Funny

      Or does the fact that it might be a european taxpayer make it all ok?

      Speaking as an American, I'm perfectly happy to let the Europeans pay my taxes. *duck*
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    4. Re:Pork. by bhsurfer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Funny (or not), you've pretty accurately described the American government's thoughts on spending as well.

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  2. Is this really fair? by F-3582 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Physiologically speaking, you don't have any gravity for your blood stream, specifically your heart, to handle. In my opinion you can't compare such a run to a real one!

    1. Re:Is this really fair? by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Lighten up. I seriously doubt her numbers will be "official". She is running on a treadmill in zero G. It is publicity for the Boston Marathon, and likely good physiological research for NASA.

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    2. Re:Is this really fair? by khallow · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's called zero gee by the people who fly people into space and refers to the acceleration of the astronaut's frame of reference. Freefall without rotation is a zero gee environment. Good enough for me even though technically the astronauts live in a 10^-3 or 10^-4 gee environment due to tidal forces and the mass of the ISS.

    3. Re:Is this really fair? by martin-boundary · · Score: 3, Funny

      Sometimes great publicity ideas can backfire. I hope they thought about attaching a dynamo and lightbulb combo to the threadmill, it's pretty dark up there in space and the worst thing would be if she tripped up and started falling continuously towards the earth....

    4. Re:Is this really fair? by tverbeek · · Score: 2, Informative

      In this context, the unit "G" refers to the amount of force applied to the body by the craft it's in (jet, rocket, centrifuge, roller coaster, etc), not a measure of gravitational attraction or acceleration. (Save the pendantry for topics in which you are better informed than your peers.)

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    5. Re:Is this really fair? by mdwh2 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I think it's pretty clear that the OP is well aware that the spacecraft is not beyond the range of influence of the Earth's gravity (which is infinite, after all).

      At the same time though, in General Relativity a gravitational field is equivalent to an accelerating frame of reference (or something like that...), so the sum total gravitational effects experienced in the spacecraft's frame of reference is near zero.

      It could be argued that "zero gravity" is misleading as it will help perpetuate the common myth that weightlessness is due to being beyond the Earth's gravity, rather than it being cancelled out due to the acceleration, but nonetheless, that's a term used to refer to it, and I think it's clear that the OP wasn't misunderstanding the differences.

      I'd question that labelling it as "scientifically inaccurate" constitutes POV, especially when it is backed up only by one person, who is described as a journalist and historian, not a scientist.

    6. Re:Is this really fair? by timeOday · · Score: 2, Insightful

      and likely good physiological research for NASA.
      Sure the astronauts have to do SOMETHING to kill time on the ISS, but I hope Nasa doesn't launch into some sappy ploy about how this is advancing science - unless it is actually true.

      Jokes about taxpayer-funded oxygen aside, the US is paying about $4BN per year for the ISS (including its share of the Shuttle). Assume (generously) that of the 3 people aboard, 2 are Americans. That works out to $3,800 per person per minute, or just slightly under $1 million to run a 4 hour marathon. So you tell me, what will we get for our million dollars?

  3. MOM! by bigattichouse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Moooooommm, Sunie's hogging all the oxygen again!

    Sunie, Cut it out. Don't antaonize your sister.

    But, I gotta win the maaarathonn.

    Well, do it quietly, dear. Your sister has experiments to conduct.

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  4. Treadmill vs road by Liquid+Len · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes, I know this is Slashdot. But I'm a geek and a passionate marathon runner as well...
    There's a big difference between running on a treadmill and on a road (besides the boring factor): the relative wind resistance you experience when you move has a very significant impact on your speed. A rule of thumb is that you have to subtract about 1 km/h to your treadmill speed in order to have an idea on how fast you can go on the road.

    1. Re:Treadmill vs road by Mr.+Underbridge · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, I know this is Slashdot. But I'm a geek and a passionate marathon runner as well... There's a big difference between running on a treadmill and on a road (besides the boring factor): the relative wind resistance you experience when you move has a very significant impact on your speed. A rule of thumb is that you have to subtract about 1 km/h to your treadmill speed in order to have an idea on how fast you can go on the road.

      I run as well (and cycle), and there's just no comparison. Treadmill surfaces are a little bouncy and provide some restorative force. There's no hills (those little inclining treadmills at 4 degrees aren't like a real nasty hill. And there's the wind resistance as well.

      Although after yesterday - biking at 15-25mph into another 25mph of headwind - I'd have settled for a 1km/h hit. I was getting about a 12 kph hit. Ugh.

    2. Re:Treadmill vs road by Don_dumb · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Also being a runner and gymrat I have to disagree, I can run long distance fine, but simply cant stay on a treadmill for more than a few miles. There are really two reasons for this -

      The first is that I (and many I know) find my actual running style is different on a treadmill than 'self-propelled'.
      Second is the physcological factors - the fact that when out running, my mind has to do a certain amount of work paying attention to where I am going, the surface, other road/pavement users etc this means consiously I can 'turn-off', whereas on a treadmill I need to think about something, and even though the treadmills at my gym have TVs and they might even be showing something I am interested in, I still spend a great deal of time looking around, still in 'vigilant mode'; The fact that I *can* step off at any time, ultimately means that after 4 or 5 miles I *will* just do that, when you are 5 miles from home, you just keep going, you can stop but you still have to at least walk home -so I keep running.

      The other factor that would make a treadmill marathon more difficult is the lack of crowd, people cheering on and other runners really do spur you on when things get tough.

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    3. Re:Treadmill vs road by Quarters · · Score: 5, Funny

      She'll already be moving close to 17500 mph. How much more of a headwind do you want her to have?

    4. Re:Treadmill vs road by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Funny

      you think that's a difference. try it in zero G.

      I dare you to run on a real road in Zero G. I bet you cant make it past the first step!

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    5. Re:Treadmill vs road by Zenaku · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah -- her running the Boston one is clearly just a nice bit of publicity for the marathon and the space program. I'm sure her time will be utterly and completely unofficial.

      What she SHOULD do is start her own marathon -- the 2007 Space Marathon! She'll win because she'll be the only one in it.

      Obligatory: Fine! I'll start my own marathon! With blackjack! And hookers! In fact, forget the marathon and the blackjack!

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  5. That place is gonna smell... by sycodon · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...like a locker room.

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  6. Patriots' Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    For the unaware, Patriots' Day commemorates the Battles of Lexington and Concord which are considered to be the first skirmishes of the American Revolution, a conflict that was actually fought be people generally considered to be patriots.

    We in Massachusetts have been observing this day long before a certain President co-opted the name to add a bit of jingo to the commemoration of a certain day in September.

  7. Tell us what we REALLY want to know! by erroneus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Will she be wearing diapers?!

    1. Re:Tell us what we REALLY want to know! by Corporate+Troll · · Score: 3, Funny

      Of course, how else do you think she's going to last several hours without going to the bathroom?

      Have you never driven a long trip with a women in your car? *sigh*

  8. Re:Not to mention... by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 3, Interesting

    moving all your mass forward/uphill vs basically just bouncing up and down. And of course, in space, you don't even have the resistance of bouncing up and down.

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  9. Do I hear a rumbling at Arlington Cemetery? by Bazman · · Score: 2, Funny


    Can you imagine if JFK was president now? "We choose to run on the space treadmill and do the other things not because they are easy but because they are publicity stunts!".

  10. What next? Unix hacker to run the marathan from .. by 140Mandak262Jamuna · · Score: 4, Funny

    ... the C shell?

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  11. think of the aliens! by symes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Seriously, what would our outer-space neighbours think if they picked that moment to swing by and pay us a visit? They're just going to scratch their heads and think we're some backwards species that powers space flight by putting funny sweaty little creatures on treadmills!

  12. In other news... by dour+power · · Score: 2, Funny

    NASA confirms that Rosie Ruiz has stowed away on a Soyuz supply ship scheduled to dock with the ISS just before the end of the marathon.

  13. Re:Not to mention... by rly2000 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    She's going to have tethers to keep her down. As a runner, I think it would be an interesting approximation of running.

    While the impact against the treadmill could well be compared to gravity, I wonder whether the zero-gravity will make it harder for her heart to pump blood to her legs. I couldn't imagine running upside down.

    Also, having run on the treadmill, I think a good approximation of running outside would be to set the incline to about 1.5%. Of course, that starts to disproportionately work out your quads as opposed to your hamstrings.

  14. And elsewhere... by ciaohound · · Score: 2, Funny

    an anonymous slashdotter will be competing in the wheelchair category from his cubicle using an Aeron chair and a piezoelectric sensor to detect lateral fidgeting while slinging Java for a large consulting outfit.

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  15. Re:Patriot Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It celebrates the battles of Lexington and Concord of a certain war which you are not a patriot if you cannot name.

    I'm a patriot, and I can name it. It was the war of the treasonous, ungrateful colonists ;-)

  16. Re:Not to mention... by oni · · Score: 3, Insightful

    in space, you don't even have the resistance of bouncing up and down.

    I don't think that resistance is quite the right word, but I agree with you in general - what she's doing shouldn't qualify as running the marathon. The biggest problem with long-term space travel is bone loss, and NASA has already proven that just tethering a person to a treadmil and letting them exercise doesn't fix the problem. They still lose bone mass. That's all the proof I need that what she's doing isn't the same as running on earth.

    Still, there is a bright side to this. This might just be the longest run on a treadmill in zero-g. And since she has run marathons on the ground, she will be in a good position to report what the differences are and maybe this will lead to better zero-g exercise equipment.

  17. Will she overheat? by giafly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No gravity means no convection. No headwind means little conduction.
    Will they generate an artificial headwind using a fan, or does the International Space Station have powerful air conditioning already?

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  18. She'll finish first, though by Migraineman · · Score: 5, Funny

    The ISS is moving at 7.726 km/s (I checked this morning - I'm running Orbitron to track a different satellite.) 26.2 miles converts to 42.165 km, so she should traverse the course length in about 5.5 seconds.

    How many steps does it take to complete a marathon from low earth orbit? A one ... a two ... a three. Three.

  19. Gona be a short (~5 sec) race... by OhMickey · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...at 17500mph she should cross at about the 5.35 second mark.

  20. Re:What next? Unix hacker to run the marathan from by mknewman · · Score: 2, Funny

    I want to run the Marathon from my Wii.

  21. Running marathon on my couch by steelerguy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It looks like I will be running the marathon on my couch and quit possibly in my bed also, probably won't be doing too much running either, but hey...at least I am participating in the Boston Marathon (even though I not in the correct city or state or registered or even running).

  22. "sister marathons" in iraq by peter303 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Many of the popular marathons in the US have same-day events in Iraq. Sometimes the courses are pretty cramped and soldiers do many laps. Probably good for morale.

  23. Effects of running the Boston Marathon in space... by MS-06FZ · · Score: 2

    Of course, you realize that since there's a runner running the Boston Marathon in space, all normal space travel routes will have to be closed, satellites will need to be stopped for several hours or directed in long, convoluted, indirect routes to their destinations - and even then possibly get "stuck" somewhere, unable to proceed until the marathon's over - and any orbiting satellites trapped by this process will be subject to ticketing by the Boston Police for parking violations.

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