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Internet Radio May Stream North to Canada

An anonymous reader writes "With U.S. copyright royalties threatening to kill Internet radio in the U.S., Michael Geist explains why webcasters considering a move to Canada will find that the legal framework for Internet radio trades costs for complexity. There are two main areas of concern from a Canadian perspective — broadcast regulation and copyright fees. The broadcast side is surprisingly regulation-free, but there are at least three Canadian copyright collectives lining up to collect from Internet radio stations."

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  1. Not me! by Stanistani · · Score: 4, Funny

    My internet radio station will be broadcasting from Nigeria... just think of the fund-raising possibilities!

  2. Re:Canada? Why not anywhere else in the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Getting a minimum 128K uplink with QOS across the pond for signal relay is not for the faint of heart, or the non-commercial of budget. This is why Canada is a much preferrable option for many US-based webcasters.

    At the risk of repeating what may have been said already:
    http://www.saveourinternetradio.com/ - Bless you, Radio Paradise for leading the charge!

    I'd bless NPR for fighting this as well, but the fact is that NPR's opposition to third-channel adjacency rules in the Low-Power FM legal tussles of 1998-2000 helped prevent the FCC from granting 90% of the possible LPFM frequencies across the US, and therefore they have forced many (including my own) non-commercial and community radio stations onto the internet.

  3. Already did that by TwistedTR · · Score: 5, Interesting

    About 3 years ago the shoutcast stream i'm affiliated with ETN.FM moved everything up to Canada, and got ourselves declared as a not for profit organization. Since this is just a hobby and no one is making cash from it, it afforded us a greater ammount of legal protection than we could ever hope to receive inside the US. There was some problems gaining the non-profit status, but it wasn't too difficult.

  4. Stop the madness! by i_like_spam · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Moving to Canada, an offshore rig or Timbuktu is not a solution.

    Let's stop this madness.

    Write your Congressional representative.
    Save the Streams.

  5. CRTC by Malc · · Score: 4, Funny

    What? Regulation free? Haven't the Commission for Regulations and Thought Control got anything to say on this matter? Will Americans be happy with receiving minimum Canadian content? Well, I guess they were kind enough to liberate us of Celine Dion (big thanks there guys, it was an honourable sacrifice).

    1. Re:CRTC by Scott+Tracy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Any Internet venture is exempt from CRTC regulation, since a 1999 ruling by the commission. It's a very broad exemption too, that's been applied to mobile TV on cell phones, and interactive television. And there's no sign the exemption is going anywhere any time soon. So no Canadian content regulations, and no approval needed to launch an Internet radio station.

  6. Unregulated By Choice! by rueger · · Score: 4, Informative

    ...There are two main areas of concern from a Canadian perspective -- broadcast regulation and copyright fees. The broadcast side is surprisingly regulation-free ...

    Actually it's quite unregulated because the Canadian Radio-Television and Telecommunications Commission (CRTC) chose to not regulate Internet broadcasting... back in 1999.

    Then again, we're also allowed to say "fuck" on the radio, unlike our American cousins....

    1. Re:Unregulated By Choice! by brkello · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh, we are allowed to say it too...it just comes out as fk.

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  7. CanCon's Genre vs. Genre Favouritism by CheeseburgerBrown · · Score: 4, Funny

    Actually, it's a sliding scale depending on the genre. While jazz and classical might have to keep over 40% of the content Canadian, pseudo-American pop music by Canadian artists need take up only 25% of the valuable airtime otheriwse devoted to truly American pop pseudo-music.

    Ahem.

    Avante-garde Brazilian elevator music, to take another example, has a special exemption that requires only 2% of the material aired be produced or mixed in Canada. John Cage performances are required to have only an 8% Canadian quality to the street noise that fills in the silences.

    Also, for some reason, Hip Hop from Quebec counts.

  8. North? by punker · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Viva el Mexico!

  9. Re: Internet Radio May Stream North to Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's a bad idea. The stream will just freeze and then they'll play hockey on it.

  10. On the contrary. by jd · · Score: 3, Interesting
    There is nothing that politicians respond to more than cold, hard cash. Unions are maybe the next most potent weapon, as collective power IS power. Most geeks and enthusiasts don't have the former and have rejected the latter. (Idiots.) With nothing to back up any protest and with no meaningful influence, you can write all you want and all it'll do is occupy some landfills.

    However, a move is something altogether different. Y'see, taxes ARE cold, hard cash. And all those listeners who aren't listening to the commercial stations' advertising? They ARE collective power. No listeners, no advertising revenue, no commercial stations.

    (In England, pirate radio eventually forced the Government to license independent stations for the same reason. People defected in far too large numbers to the likes of Stockports' KFM and the monopoly crumbled from a lack of listeners. Protests never made a difference for the same reason they won't with Internet Radio. The people who need to protest most have made their voice willfully the weakest. It won't get heard. The chink of money, however quiet, will be. A politician can hear a cent coin falling on cotton candy from a thousand paces. Moving is the only voice left. If you don't use that, you've nothing left at all.)

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  11. Re:Canada? Why not anywhere else in the world? by rantingkitten · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Indeed, my synthpop radio station (plug!) is similar in scope, playing mostly things from non-RIAA labels and independant artists. I, too, have my server hosted in Germany, and the RIAA can kiss my ass. There isn't a place for people to get darkwave, ebm, futurepop type stuff from conventional radio, and net radio is often the only place to turn, outside the drunken haze of a gothic nightclub.

    The thing is, there ain't no Benjamens in doing this; I, like most other webcasters, shell out our own money for our own servers or bandwidth or services like live365.com, and we do it for fun and for love of the music. So far as I know, "terrestrial" stations aren't required to pay royalties in the same way, so why are we?

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    mirrorshades radio -- darkwave, industrial, futurepop, ebm.
  12. Re:Oh the irony by syntaxglitch · · Score: 3, Informative

    This is tagged 'blamecanada' yet most of this shit originates from the USA. I'm living/from the USA, WHAT THE FUCK ARE THE REST OF YOU SMOKING? Do you fuckers need a clue-by-four upside your fucking hypocritical heads? Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the whole point of the blame Canada stuff in South Park to make fun of Americans for not taking responsibility for their own mistakes? I think your perception of irony may be misplaced.