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Researchers Chill Mirror to Near Absolute Zero

An anonymous reader writes "Physicists have managed to cool a dime-sized mirror to within one degree of absolute zero. This is the lowest laser-induced freeze yet achieved with a visible object. Laser cooling involves firing pulses of light at a specific frequency that exactly matches an atom's motions."

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  1. See, kids? by FlyByPC · · Score: 2, Funny

    Science *is* cool. Sometimes literally!

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  2. Re:This is cool stuff and all... by Merc248 · · Score: 2, Funny

    Overclocking!

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  3. Mirror by biocute · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What's the significance of chilling a dime-sized mirror, vs chilling a dime?

    1. Re:Mirror by glwtta · · Score: 5, Funny

      Makes you look cool?

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  4. Re:This is cool stuff and all... by camperdave · · Score: 4, Funny

    could someone explain what the significance of this is?

    Perhaps we could reflect on it.

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  5. Re:This is cool stuff and all... by sholden · · Score: 3, Informative

    You could try reading the first sentence of the article.

  6. I imagine that by pavon · · Score: 5, Informative

    the surface has to be highly reflective for this to work. If it absorbed the photons, then it's temperature would increase, and if it was transparent the photons wouldn't interact with the material very much, and thus would not be able to cool it.

  7. Confirms quantum theory by quokkapox · · Score: 4, Informative

    It confirms our understanding of light and matter and how they interact. You would think that shining light (energy) on something would warm it up. If it cools it down, something strange is going on.

    In a broader sense, it means that we can manipulate matter and energy in ways nobody imagined 100 years ago (well, except for Einstein).

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    1. Re:Confirms quantum theory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It confirms our understanding of light and matter and how they interact. You would think that shining light (energy) on something would warm it up. If it cools it down, something strange is going on. You must not be familiar with how waves interact. The light waves and the material's "atom waves" are interacting so that maximum destructive interference is achieved; same frequency but half a wavelength out of phase of each other. The resulting wave of the atoms in the material should then have close to zero energy because other waves in the system may add constructively interfere with the atom waves.

      In my opinion, scientists may be able to approach absolute zero but they will never effectively reach it. They may hit a point at which it can be proclaimed as "good enough", but since the entire system must contain no energy and energy will always leak into the system from the universe, absolute zero will not be reached in actuality.

      The benefits of moving closer to absolute zero are that we can better understand exactly what atoms do when macro-forces are canceled out and only micro-forces apply, how the building blocks relate to each other in an energy-less environment, and if any other "laws" apply to our universe that we just weren't able to witness otherwise.
    2. Re:Confirms quantum theory by NightHwk1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      It seems like it's the same effect as noise cancellation... firing pulses at the exact opposite frequency of the atom.

      And about the mirror versus using an actual dime or something else--a perfectly smooth, very thin object probably makes atomic-level laser targeting much easier than a relatively rough object such as a coin.

    3. Re:Confirms quantum theory by tomatensaft · · Score: 4, Informative

      There is no such thing as opposite frequency. There is a thing like counterphase, though. So, noise cancellation works by emitting noise of the same frequency, but in a counterphase.

    4. Re:Confirms quantum theory by asninn · · Score: 2, Insightful

      In my opinion, scientists may be able to approach absolute zero but they will never effectively reach it. They may hit a point at which it can be proclaimed as "good enough", but since the entire system must contain no energy and energy will always leak into the system from the universe, absolute zero will not be reached in actuality.

      IANAP, but doesn't it immediately follow from Heisenberg's uncertainty principle that absolute zero is not reachable, as well?

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    5. Re:Confirms quantum theory by growse · · Score: 3, Informative

      You are correct, and I believe GP is wrong to assume that matter at absolute zero has no energy. It actually has whatever the zero-point energy is (for it's particles), which all quantum physics and wikipedia-browsers will know is the expectation value of the Hamiltonian :)

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    6. Re:Confirms quantum theory by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2, Informative

      Nah, you can cool it to absolute zero, you'd just never be able to find it ;)

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    7. Re:Confirms quantum theory by aeonturnip · · Score: 2, Informative

      I've had optical damping explained to me in a classical sense - rather than wave interactions causing maximum destruction, think of an excited atom being like a child on a swing, and rather than pushing them every time they start to move away from your to get their swing higher and higher, to push them every time they approach you to get them to swing lower and lower.

      As you say, though, whichever analogy you use, it's not possible to remove all the energy in the system due to Heisenbergs Uncertainty principle and the effect of zero-point energy: absolute zero is a theoretical minimum temperature, not one that can be practically achieved for any length of time or for any object with mass.

    8. Re:Confirms quantum theory by Fission86 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Actually no, what they do is, and I had Nobel Laureate Eric Cornell explain this to me himself, use a very specific laser tuned to one of the main absorbsion energies of that atom. The atom absorbs the light, and then emits more energy than it takes in, as it is absorbing photons and then emitting them, during the emittion process the atom gives off the original momentum of the photon plus a recoil momentum equal to the original absorbed photon. This effect, being done by several beams around your object, reduces temperature.

      as a side note: If I remember correctly this process only cools to about 4.5K, so Eric Cornell used a process called magnetic evaporation to reduce the temperature further, I remember not understanding it on a quantum level but he made an analogy to a hot cup of coffee, you lose 1/4 of your sample but 1/2 of your total temperature)

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  8. I thought this was a breakthrough by Barkmullz · · Score: 5, Informative

    IANAP, so I figured this was some sort of breakthrough. As it turns out:

    1. Others have gotten much, much closer to 0 K using atoms and laser cooling.
    2. Others have gotten much, much closer to 0 K using solid objects and different cooling methods.
    3. Their method has the potential of getting closer to 0 K.

    So, even if it is not a breakthrough it is still impressive.

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    1. Re:I thought this was a breakthrough by btgreat · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually, this really is a breakthrough. According to the article, laser supercooling has been used in the past by researchers, but never on anything more than a few atoms. These researchers successfully lasercooled a mirror the size of a dime (which would probably be about .01 to .1 moles, on the order of 10^21 or 10^22 atoms, more than just "a few" (probably meaning on the order of 10^6 or so, but IANAP, so don't quote me there)).

    2. Re:I thought this was a breakthrough by imsabbel · · Score: 2, Informative

      What _you_ seem to know as laser cooling is esentially using a modified penning trap with 6 circular polarized lasers. There is no way to use such an assembly on any _visible object_ (thats why that sentence was used in the blurb). It needs the volume of entrapment to be translucent.

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  9. Here's the sginificance. by deft · · Score: 5, Funny

    The real world application of this will be truly shown when they find the exact frequency on beer.

    Then, gaze upon its brilliance.

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  10. Re:This is cool stuff and all... by sarge+apone · · Score: 5, Funny

    could someone explain what the significance of this is?

    Perhaps we could reflect on it.

    Absolutely... to a degree.

  11. Actually... by ABasketOfPups · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's already pretty cool. HAHAHAHA I slay me.

  12. That's nothing by edwardpickman · · Score: 5, Funny

    My exwife could do that with just a glance. It may not have been one degree over Absolute Zero but it sure felt that way.

  13. Re:So.... by zazelite · · Score: 2, Informative

    Well, it does say in the article that a major goal is the detection of so-called gravity waves. As far as I know, there's no irrefutable evidence that gravity doesn't propagate faster than lightspeed - that, in fact, it's speed might very well be unbounded. I can bet you that once we have a gravity wave emitter that the next step will be a coherent gravity wave emitter i.e. a gravitational laser.

  14. Re:but by Beefslaya · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Actually, I thought it was measured in Kelvin?

  15. I said before and I'll say again... by The+Great+Pretender · · Score: 2, Funny

    You want to get to absolute zero, go see my first wife

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  16. Website on laser cooling and trapping by XchristX · · Score: 2, Informative

    The JILA group at UC Boulder does lots of work on laser cooling and trapping (the Weimann/Ketterle/Cornell group got the 2001 Nobel Prize for generating BEC by laser cooling). They have a neat java applet demonstrating the effect

    http://www.colorado.edu/physics/2000/bec/lascool1. html

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  17. Re:Other uses... by Boogaroo · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Only if they can get lasers to stop burning 10x the amount of energy that you put in to get it to fire.
    (I know that some are more efficient than others, but you all know there's no free lunch)

    I'd be willing to bet that the massive amount of power required to cool all the air in your house would make you bankrupt in less than a year(and really piss off your power company).

  18. Conservation of Energy... by btgreat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A couple of people made posts that got my brain ticking.. Someone mentioned that this confirms quantum theory in that adding light energy reduces the temperature, thereby reducing the energy of the system. In response, someone mentioned it was like noise cancellation. The problem I see with this analogy, and the idea of the experiment in general is that while I can see similarities, when we talk about noise cancellation, no energy is lost. It is still there, even though destructive interference cancels the noise where the waves overlap. The sound waves will continue to travel, and if they leave the area where they are destructively influenced, the noise will start back up. With the photons reducing temperature situation, where is the energy going? We start with high speed atoms and light, and end with low speed atoms and no light; isn't the energy being destroyed? I am not very up on my quantum mechanics, but can see two possibilities: either energy isn't really conserved under quantum mechanics, or the atom is rereleasing a photon after the initial photon hits it and slows it down. Perhaps neither is right, but could someone please explain the apparent lack of conservation of energy here?

    1. Re:Conservation of Energy... by smaddox · · Score: 3, Interesting

      We start with high speed atoms and light, and end with low speed atoms and no light; isn't the energy being destroyed? You actually DO end up with light. More energetic light, to be more specific.

      It can almost be simplified to classical collision physics. The photon hits the atom and bounces off, slowing down the atom and in turn, the photon "speeds up" (gets red shifted).
    2. Re:Conservation of Energy... by Engine · · Score: 3, Interesting

      You are correct. The scattered light is blue shifted due to the energy it takes away.

  19. Re:This is cool stuff and all... by YGingras · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It has many applications in astronomy. During the winter, the only expedition to climb to the top of the Mauna Kea are to fill the liquid nitrogen and liquid helium tanks of those huge telescopes. We don't realize it but getting pretty picture in IR requires that you more of less shut down the black body radiation of your optics. With liquid helium they cool the CCDs to 4.5 Kelvin. They use so much of the stuff that they need to fill the tanks every other week. I admit that I have no idea how big is the said tank but laser cooling would open the way to mostly unattended (think orbital) telescopes for a much broader part of the spectrum. At the moment we send IR orbital scopes with big tanks of liquid helium which is dead lift weight that could be used for larger optics and we drop the scopes in the ocean when they run out of the stuff. Spitzer, unlike Hubble, will be useless soon and will not be able to perform observations even if all the mechanical and electronics are still in top condition. If you ever visit the Mauna Kea, notice the frost patches inside the observatory. It's kind of cold up there but the best experience is inside the observatory: it's freezing, everyone is dizzy after climbing the stair (the air is really thin) and you see all those big pipes with cryo-steam. It feels like the visit to the cryo chamber in Akira.

  20. Freeze-Ray!?! by ziekrage · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Laser cooling involves firing pulses of light..." I believe Victor Fries would be proud.

  21. Re:Thought of that once.... by SnowZero · · Score: 4, Funny

    I've heard that eating a mirror was bad luck.

    Nothing came up on Snopes.com, so it must be true...

  22. Can I overclock with this technique? by Derling+Whirvish · · Score: 2, Funny

    When will we see this technique used to cool the CPUs in gaming machines?

  23. Oblig. by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Funny

    "Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, who's the coolest one o-- AAAAAAAH! MY EYES!

  24. cooling 1g under 1K trivial. TFA has typos/errors? by viking80 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There must be some error in TFA. Looks like it was written by someone with little understanding. To cool a 1g item under 1K is trivial. You can buy coolers that can keep large volumes way down in the mK range. Commercial literature give numbers like 1mW cooling at 35mK.

    TFA says that the purpose of cooling was to "...cancel the natural forces entirely, so quantum forces apply exclusively."

    That is of course incorrect. Quantum mechanics *are* the natural forces(,excluding gravity?), and cooling is often used to bring matter to the ground state or similar, so quantum effects take on macroscopic and often more observable (and intriguing) properties.

    If there is a real breakthrough here, does anyone have the original scientific reference?

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  25. Laser Cooling by FreemanPatrickHenry · · Score: 2, Informative

    "Laser cooling involves firing pulses of light at a specific frequency that exactly matches an atom's motions."

    I may be wrong on this, as I'm just an undergrad physics major, but in my experience laser cooling involves detuning a laser slightly below some atomic transition frequency, and counterpropagating the same beam back. What happens is as a laser moves quickly in the direction of the beam, it observes the laser's frequency to be higher due to the Doppler shift, and suddenly this laser that was not resonating with the atoms comes into resonance, and the atom starts absorbing photons, which have momentum. This knocks the atom back such that it can't move quickly in the direction of the laser. Often this is done with six beams along three orthogonal axes so that you cool the atoms in all directions.

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  26. If ... by can56 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Scientists can use lasers to cool atoms/crystals/mirrors to near absolute zero, does that mean: a) really god-damn-cold-fusion is possible, or b) by increasing the power of the lasers, hot-fusion may occur?. Sorry, but I'm waiting for someone (less drunk and more eloquent than I) to comment on the definition of temperature, the scales (K/F/C), and what this experiment could lead to.

  27. Re:Other uses... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Funny

    but you all know there's no free lunch

    Tell that to my cousin Tommy, the mooch.
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  28. Re:Obligatory Star Trek Refference by Mifflesticks · · Score: 3, Informative

    You realize that star trek reference (the star trek enterprise episode title) is itself a reference to Corinthians in the new testament, right? And that it's not the only time star trek has referenced it... another translation comes out not as "in a mirror darkly" but "through a glass, darkly", for the same passage, which Picard says in Star Trek Nemesis.

    Plus many books have used the same reference too.... but now I'm rambling.

  29. Re:A Question for the Scientists Out There by ioshhdflwuegfh · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From what I understand about absolute zero, there is no energy in the system, including the energy required to keep electrons in orbit around the nucleus of an atom. Absolute Zero means that the temperature of the system is exactly 0 Kelvin. What is temperature, on the other hand, is not so easy to define. For example, it has nothing to do with the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, which relates energy and time, or position and momentum. Energy is an all together different physical quantity than temperature.

    Therefore, the atoms would collapse in on themselves, creating an extremely dense substance. Am I right in thinking this would happen? Not quite: the laws of quantum mechanics would prevent such collapse: standard quantum-mechanical description of atom already presupposes that the atom is at 0 Kelvin. What happens however is that matter at low temperature can undergo phase transitions, like when water freezes and becomes in many regards quite different a substance, ice.

    Similarly, when many ordinary metals are cooled down they become superconducting (conduct electricity without any resistance), or liquid Helium becomes superfluid (can flow outside the open container in which it was stored at higher temperatures). The latter two phenomena are essentially quantum-mechanical, and they tell us to expect new phenomena/states of matter sitting at low temperatures. That's one of the reasons why low temperatures are interesting.

    If so, would this doom the earth to become a black hole, or do something similar? Many think the main problem with Earth is about its warming up, not cooling down...