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Kurt Vonnegut Jr. Dies At 84

At least twenty-two readers took the trouble to make sure we knew that Kurt Vonnegut has died at 84. From the Times obituary: "Kurt Vonnegut, whose dark comic talent and urgent moral vision in novels like 'Slaughterhouse-Five,' 'Cat's Cradle' and 'God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater' caught the temper of his times and the imagination of a generation, died last night in Manhattan... Mr. Vonnegut suffered irreversible brain injuries as a result of a fall several weeks ago, according to his wife, Jill Krementz." Reader SPK adds: "He will be remembered not only as a great writer, but also as a staunch civil libertarian (long-term member of the ACLU) and as a 'mainstream/literary' author who integrated science fiction concepts into his writing. So it goes."

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  1. Bokononist last rites by djdead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    God made mud.
    God got lonesome.
    So God said to some of the mud, "Sit up!"
    "See all I've made," said God, "the hills, the sea, the sky, the stars."
    And I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
    Lucky me, lucky mud.
    I, mud, sat up and saw what a nice job God had done.
    Nice going God.

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    1. Re:Bokononist last rites by mstahl · · Score: 4, Funny

      I wonder if he died while thumbing his nose at God.... It would seem a fitting gesture.

    2. Re:Bokononist last rites by Bill+Wong · · Score: 3, Informative

      God made mud.
      God got lonesome.
      So God said to some of the mud, "Sit up!"
      "See all I've made," said God, "the hills, the sea, the sky, the stars."
      And I was some of the mud that got to sit up and look around.
      Lucky me, lucky mud.
      I, mud, sat up and saw what a nice job God had done.
      Nice going, God.
      Nobody but you could have done it, God! I certainly couldn't have.
      I feel very unimportant compared to You.
      The only way I can feel the least bit important is to think of all the mud that didn't even get to sit up and look around.
      I got so much, and most mud got so little.
      Thank you for the honor!
      Now mud lies down again and goes to sleep.
      What memories for mud to have!
      What interesting other kinds of sitting-up mud I met!
      I loved everything I saw!
      Good night.
      I will go to heaven now.
      I can hardly wait...
      To find out for certain what my wampeter was...
      And who was in my karass...
      And all the good things our karass did for you.
      Amen.

    3. Re:Bokononist last rites by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I wonder if he died while thumbing his nose at God.... It would seem a fitting gesture.


      The inability to conceive of a God who would find that amusing is the biggest reason that belief is on the decline.

      The idea of an omnipotent God who creates a creature capable of reason, then throws an eternal hissy fit when that creature doesn't spend all his time telling God how wonderful He is... Well it seems like rather insecure behavior for an all powerful, all loving being.

      A God who didn't want anybody in heaven unless they had the spunk to spit in His eye would make more sense. So Vonnegut, you're in. Give my regards to Twain when you see him.

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      Post may contain irony: discontinue use if experiencing mood swings, nausea or elevated blood pressure.
    4. Re:Bokononist last rites by eln · · Score: 5, Funny

      This reminds me of a sign I pass every morning on my way to work. It is a sign for a Muslim Community Center. Now, I'm not picking on Muslims here, I'm sure there are plenty of Christian churches with similar signage. Anyway, the sign says something to the effect of "Men were created to worship God."

      Every time I pass that sign, it strikes me as funny. After all, how insecure does God have to be to go to all the trouble of creating an entirely new species just to tell him how great he is? Couldn't he have saved himself a lot of trouble by standing in front of a mirror every morning doing self assurance exercises, a la Stuart Smalley? Or maybe some good old fashioned Prozac?

    5. Re:Bokononist last rites by MoronBob · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The Bible states "God made man that he might have joy". I would rather focus on this belief. I did not have children so they could worship me. I want them to have all that I do and much more. I did not get to go to college but I will make sure they have that opportunity. God is our parent. He asks us to follow the commandments. He does not strike us down if we don't. But we must live with the consequences of our actions and this grieves him when we make bad choices. The evangelical belief that if you don't believe exactly as they do you will burn in hell fire for all eternity is crap. We will receive exactly what we deserve. If you do good and are good to people then you will be rewarded with the chance to progress. If you used your talents to harm others you will be dammed. (Dammed as in you will not be allowed to progress like the water behind a dam.) The real God is more forgiving, more loving, more tolerant, and more just than most can imagine. Thats why I believe in him.

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    6. Re:Bokononist last rites by kripkenstein · · Score: 5, Interesting

      [...] the sign says something to the effect of "Men were created to worship God." [...] how insecure does God have to be to go to all the trouble of creating an entirely new species just to tell him how great he is?
      Well, you correctly see that possibility as ridiculous. But monotheists (the 3 major monotheistic religions are perhaps similar enough in that respect) would also see it as ridiculous. So really, you are misunderstanding what they mean when they put up a sign saying "Men were created to worship God."

      It isn't that an omnoipotent god benefits from it somehow, of course he doesn't. To say otherwise is blasphemy, even, for monotheists. However, they believe that the natural state for human beings is to worship god. In other words, people benefit from worshipping god, not vice versa. Note that the quoted sign can be understood both ways.

      Of course, you can raise skeptical doubt about why god would create people at all, and why worshipping him would be good for them. Such doubts are natural, and indeed the major monotheistic religions have had centuries of debate about these topics. So, my point is that the monotheistic belief system (speaking generally) makes more sense than your misinterpretation of that particular sign.

      (To prevent misunderstandings, I am a complete atheist.)
    7. Re:Bokononist last rites by C0y0t3 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I have to disagree with your interpretation of a pretty straightforward phrase, "men were created to worship god". Although it could be seen as meaning what you suggest, that men benefit from worship, the statement is obvously designed to be at least initially interpretted as "the purpose for which men were created was to worship god, god created us to worship him". You have to bend over pretty far backward to see the other interpretation as primary, but most religious people probably perform these sorts of logical contortions without batting an eye daily if not continuously. theres no need to justify them, controversy is supposed to occur. they are not content with your atheism

    8. Re:Bokononist last rites by geekoid · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is it that atheists know theology better then the worshipers?

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    9. Re:Bokononist last rites by bkr1_2k · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because Atheists question, and read. "Believers" simply believe, and by doing so think that all the questions are already answered.

      I can't say who's right, but I can certainly say I raise my kids to question everything, even me, if they don't understand it.

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      "Growing old is inevitable; growing up is optional."
    10. Re:Bokononist last rites by Johnny5000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is it that atheists know theology better then the worshipers?

      I think learning enough about theology is probably enough to turn anyone into an atheist.
      Read enough holy books, and you'll realize they're lovely fictional works that do contain some generally good lessons, but couldn't possibly be the work of a superhuman being.

      --
      The libertarian solution to the failures of capitalism is to apply more capitalism til the failures are fixed.
    11. Re:Bokononist last rites by kripkenstein · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Why is it that atheists know theology better then the worshipers?

      Do you mean, why do I presume to understand religion better than a person who believes in it? Or, on the contrary, do you mean that the believers are misled about their own beliefs? I'm not sure.

      In any case, I think that knowledgable people know more about everything. A learned believer, or a learned atheist, will know about the same. But the vast majority of people are unlearned in such matters. As a consequence, the majority of believers do not fully understand the complexities of their religion, while all of the atheists who are interested enough to learn about religion will know quite a bit (but exactly the same as the learned believers). That may be misleading at first glance, of course.

    12. Re:Bokononist last rites by deepestblue · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I just wanted to call out what I perceived as Western bias (I'm not from the "West", which I admit is itself a dubious term).

      Well, the definition is fairly standard, based on size basically, giving you Christianity, Islam and Judaism.

      Sikhism has 1.5 times as many adherents as Judaism (no, I'm not Sikh either).

      I was just using the standard shortened version for "Christianity, Islam and Judaism"

      The fact that you think this is "standard" says it all.

      P.S. A better term might be Abrahamic religions.

    13. Re:Bokononist last rites by Bush+Pig · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There are two reasons, it seems to me. One is that atheists are generally smarter and better educated than believers. The other is, that it's useful to understand the mind of your enemy.

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      What a long, strange trip it's been.
    14. Re:Bokononist last rites by hesiod · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know the poster's POV, but for many people, being a Christian and using parts of the Bible doesn't necessarily mean you believe the whole thing is true, or even that any of it is meant to be taken literally.

      Too many times people try to refute Christians by trying to force a false dichotomy "Either you believe the entirety of the Bible is the infallible word of God, or you are a heretic to your own religion." That's just dishonest to try to do that.

      No insult intended to you, I just wanted to reiterate the point. /I'm an atheist, FYI

  2. Sad news ... Kurt Vonnegut Jr, dead at 84 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I just heard some sad news on slashdot - Horror/Sci Fi writer Kurt Vonnegut Jr was found dead in his Manhattan home this morning. There weren't many more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss him - even if you didn't enjoy his work, there's no denying his contributions to mercurian culture. Truly an American icon.

  3. So long, Kurt... by Lurker2288 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ...from those who have taken a flying fuck at a rolling donut, or a flying fuck at the moooooon.

    Another one bites the dust. Ho hum.

  4. Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by drewzhrodague · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thanks for the good reads, Kurt. Time to go through my bookshelf, and do a little rediscovery. Thanks so much.

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    Zhrodague.net - I do projects and stuff too.
    1. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by Scott7477 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A big part of my appreciation for Vonnegut lies in the fact that his work has been accepted as literature by the literary elites while including elements of science fiction. Typically science fiction is not considered to be literature.

      --
      "Lack of technical competence coupled with the arrogance of power, as usual, leads to no good end."
    2. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Typically science fiction is not considered to be literature.

      "writings in which expression and form, in connection with ideas of permanent and universal interest, are characteristic or essential features, as poetry, novels, history, biography, and essays." ("literature." Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1). Random House, Inc. 12 Apr. 2007. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/literature> .)

      "Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value" ("literature." The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition. Houghton Mifflin Company, 2004. 12 Apr. 2007. <Dictionary.com http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/literature> .)

      By my reading of the dictionary, the genre isn't significant. Or are you talking about what some isolated intellectuals with ivory towers up their asses told you the word meant?

      --
      "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    3. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by Moofie · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A big part of my appreciation of Vonnegut has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with what a bunch of "literary elites" think about anything.

      As a matter of fact, I can't think of a single time in my life that I thought to myself, "Gee! I wonder what the literary elites would think about that?"

      --
      Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
    4. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 4, Funny

      "As a matter of fact, I can't think of a single time in my life that I thought to myself, "Gee! I wonder what the literary elites would think about that?""

      I was just thinking this after I took a huge dump.


      P.S. They loved it. Seems they always heap praise on utter shit.

      --
      "But this one goes to 11!"
    5. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by Gilmoure · · Score: 2, Funny

      Can I recommend a Stephen King novel for your next read? How about Anne Rice?

      --
      I drank what? -- Socrates
    6. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Funny

      When I'm at the porn shop, I sometimes wonder what James Joyce would recommend.

      --
      SJW: Someone who has run out of real oppression, and has to fake it.
    7. Re:Thanks for the good reads, Kurt by Fallingcow · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Typical anything is not very good.

  5. a little less love by stoolpigeon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a little more decency - please.

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    It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
    1. Re:a little less love by dr_dank · · Score: 4, Funny

      So I guess I shouldn't do this:

      *

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      Where does the school board find them and why do they keep sending them to ME?
    2. Re:a little less love by grub · · Score: 4, Informative


      Heheheh, it's the favicon for his page. :)

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      Trolling is a art,
  6. So it goes by WormholeFiend · · Score: 4, Funny

    and another thing, Vonnegut... I'm gonna stop payment on the check!

  7. I'd easily have traded all of hollywood, by Spazntwich · · Score: 5, Insightful

    to give that man 10 more years.

    The world is truly poorer for his loss. :-(

    1. Re:I'd easily have traded all of hollywood, by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Funny

      What if ... What if we already did? Would explain a lot of things about Hollywood.

      --
      "If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you." - DM
  8. Kurt Vonnegut JUNIOR? by objekt · · Score: 3, Funny

    Oh man, all this time I thought Kurt Vonnegut AND his son Kurt Vonnegut Jr. were both authors. Now they are BOTH dead!

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    -- Boycott Shell
  9. Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Kurt's up in heaven now..

    1. Re:Well by jamie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Anonymous cowards can be funny sometimes. By way of explanation, here's an excerpt from Vonnegut's book God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian:

      I am a humanist, which means, in part, that I have tried to behave decently without any expectation of regards or punishments after I'm dead. My German-American ancestors, the earliest of whom settled in our Middle West about the time of our Civil War, called themselves "Freethinkers," which is the same sort of thing. My great grandfather Clemens Vonnegut wrote, for example, "If what Jesus said was good, what can it matter whether he was God or not?"

      I am honorary president of the American Humanist Association, having succeeded the late, great, spectacularly prolific writer and scientist, Dr. Isaac Asimov in that essentially functionless capacity. At an A.H.A. memorial service for my predecessor I said, "Isaac is up in Heaven now." That was the funniest thing I could have said to an audience of humanists. It rolled them in the aisles. Mirth! Several minutes had to pass before something resembling solemnity could be restored.

    2. Re:Well by sherpajohn · · Score: 5, Informative

      'Being a Humanist means trying to behave decently without expectation of rewards or punishment after you are dead.' - Kurt Vonnegut Jr. (1922-2007)

      --

      Going on means going far
      Going far means returning
    3. Re:Well by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You left off the best (and most fitting) part.. immediately after the portion you quoted, Kurt wrote:

      "And if I should ever die, God forbid, I hope you will say, 'Kurt is up in Heaven now.' That's my favorite joke."

      So yes, Kurt is up in Heaven now. :)

  10. Kurt Vonnegut dies at 84. by penp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So it goes.

  11. from wikiquote by stoolpigeon · · Score: 5, Informative

    If I should ever die, God forbid, let this be my epitaph:

    THE ONLY PROOF HE NEEDED
    FOR THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
    WAS MUSIC

            * Vonnegut's Blues For America 07 January, 2006 Sunday Herald

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    It's hard to believe that's how Micronians are made. Why don't we see it right now by having you both kiss one another?
  12. So it goes by Megane · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My best Vonnegut moment was when I was watching that Rodney Dangerfield movie "Back To School" in a theatre. In one scene, there's a knock at the door, and Rodney opens the door, and it's a curly-haired guy who is his tutor for the writings of Vonnegut. That's when I started laughing. Three seconds later, after he says that he is Kurt Vonnegut, the rest of the audience starts laughing.

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  13. Vonnegut's Asshole by Mondo1287 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Vonnegut's Asshole -> * One of my favorite authors. I own more of his books than anyone else's.

  14. Tralfamadore by digitalhermit · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Now two of my favorite authors, Douglas Adams and Kurt Vonnegut, are dead. They both managed to intertwine a strange philosophy in their novels. For Vonnegut, I've always enjoyed the glimpses into Tralfamadorean philosophy. "We are all bugs trapped in amber" they said. It was impossible to ascribe morality to any act. It just is. The easy reading of this idea may say that there's no evil, no good and by following that thread, no God or heaven. But what it really suggests is an idea from antiquity to Marlowe to Conrad to taoism. We are. We must do all that we can on this earth and not let some vague idea of good/bad determine our actions. We must live according to our own personal code.

    God bless you, Mr. Vonnegut.

    1. Re:Tralfamadore by Harry+Coin · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Pulls plug on cancer patient living in delirious agony."

      Good or evil?

      "Builds nuclear weapon to figh WWII."

      Good or evil?

      "Allows birthing mother to bleed to death to save baby."

      Good or evil?

      "Beheads monarchy to establish democracy in France."

      Good or evil?

      "Creates strawman to win argument on Slashdot."

      Good or evil?

      The rules are signposts, not walls, and all morality is relative. Deal with it.

      --
      That's pre 7-11 thinking....
  15. Kurt is up in heaven now by antifoidulus · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Mitigating circumstance to mentioned on judgement day: he never asked to be born in the first place.

    RIP

  16. My best memory of him... by tsmit · · Score: 2, Funny

    [after Diane gives Thornton an 'F' for his report, which was actually written by Kurt Vonnegut]
    Diane: Whoever *did* write this doesn't know the first thing about Kurt Vonnegut!
    [cut to Thornton's dorm suite]
    Thornton Melon: [on the phone] ... and *another* thing, Vonnegut! I'm gonna stop payment on the cheque!
    [Kurt tells him off]
    Thornton Melon: Fuck me? Hey, Kurt, can you read lips, *fuck you*! Next time I'll call Robert Ludlum!
    [hangs up]

    --
    Yes, my girlfriend is a BitchX
  17. RIP by walterwalter · · Score: 2, Funny

    RIP Mr. Vonnegut Time will be stuck for a few of us today.

  18. Not Just Religion. Goodbye, Dear Man. by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Tiger got to hunt
    Eagle got to fly
    Man got to ask his self
    Why, why, why?

    Tiger got to sleep
    Eagle got to land
    Man got to tell his self
    He Understand

    --Kurt Vonnegut, Cat's Cradle

    --
    "Speaking the Truth in times of universal deceit is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell
  19. Hey, I'll miss him by lseltzer · · Score: 2, Funny

    That was one hell of a graduation speech he gave a few years back.

  20. subject line by Mahtar · · Score: 4, Funny

    man that's too bad I really liked Nirvana

  21. Re: Where to start? by enharmonix · · Score: 3, Informative

    Slaughterhouse Five

  22. Re: Where to start? by Conesus · · Score: 2, Informative
    Breakfast of Champions. He spells it out right there, and your conception of an asterisk will never be the same.

    *

    There, I drew it.

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    Don't eat your soul to fill your belly.
    conesus.com
  23. Re: Where to start? by Bloke+down+the+pub · · Score: 2, Funny

    your conception of an asterisk will never be the same.
    He was a slashdot subscriber?
    --
    It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
  24. Re: Where to start? by DjMd · · Score: 4, Informative

    Actually I think this is the worst book to start with (it has other charcters in it for starters...)
    Plus Vonnegut himself gave it a C.
    (from wikipedia)In Chapter 18 of his book Palm Sunday "The Sexual Revolution," Vonnegut grades his own works. He states that the grades "do not place me in literary history" and that he is comparing "myself with myself." The grades are as follows:
    * Player Piano: B
    * The Sirens of Titan: A
    * Mother Night: A
    * Cat's Cradle: A-plus
    * God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater: A
    * Slaughterhouse-Five: A-plus
    * Welcome to the Monkey House: B-minus
    * Happy Birthday, Wanda June: D
    * Breakfast of Champions: C
    * Slapstick: D
    * Jailbird: A
    * Palm Sunday: C

    Slaughterhouse-Five or Cat's Cradle are both good first books.

    --
    DJMD - The fourth man - Planetary
  25. Re:Not Just Religion. Goodbye, Dear Man. by DjMd · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Vonnegut from "God Bless You, Mr. Rosewater,"
    "Hello, babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. At the outside, babies, you've got about a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies - 'God damn it, you've got to be kind.' "

    my feeble attempt at an epitaph

    "Goodbye, Mr. Vonnegut. God bless you, Mr. Vonnegut.
    You told us about ice, you told us about fire. You made us laugh and taught us to think. Your time here was too short. But you gave us a lot more than one rule, you gave us someone to root for."

    I'm sorry its no Vonnegut...

    --
    DJMD - The fourth man - Planetary
  26. Re:Funny? Sad, more like by BakaHoushi · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In my professional opinion (and by professional, I mean "one I came up with while eating cookies at my desk and not working on an essay due in several hours"), people say it because it makes them feel like their life has a purpose. Doing good in the name of the Lord gives a reason for life. A reason to get up in the morning. They can HELP someone, and they KNOW it has to be a good reason, because, like, God told them to, supposedly.

    At least, that's what I've figured out from listening to some of my relatives. Me, on the other hand... I'm agnostic, because I can't say there's NO chance that there is a God... but really, to me, I think the universe can be summed up in two words: Shit happens.

    My aunt told me there must be a God because she couldn't face the world if there weren't. I didn't say this to her, but I thought, "Well, good for you. But, guess what: The Universe doesn't give a flying fuck about what you, or I, or anyone for that matter, thinks about it. If you gave up on life, the world would keep spinning, gravity would keep on pulling, men would be men, women would be women, and small blue creatures from Alpha Centauri would still be small blue creatures from Alpha Centauri." (Apologies to Douglas Adams for that last bit)

    Basically, I believe the very concept of "meaning" is a human invention. Deer, fish, and elephants don't really care why they exist. They just do. But humans have grown intelligent enough (well, some of us, anyway) to ask "why are we here?" Unfortunately, there's no Intergalactic or Interdimensional phonebook to let us ask potential Creators or other races their opinions. So, humans had to make their own reasons, or else it got very depressing to think we'd suffer in life for no real reason and then just die.

    Thus, if humans "created" meaning to feel better, we can say there really was no meaning before us...

    Oh, if you can't tell, I'm a real SMASH at parties. I really brighten up the room.

  27. My favourite Vonnegut passage by rworsnop · · Score: 3, Interesting

    From Slaughterhouse 5. Billy is having one of his "episodes" whilst watching television:

    "American planes, full of holes and wounded men and corpses took off backwards from an airfield in England. Over France, a few German fighter planes flew at them backwards, sucked bullets and shell fragments from some of the planes and crewmen. They did the same for wrecked American bombers on the ground, and those planes flew up backwards to join the formation.

    "The formation flew backwards over a German city that was in flames. The bombers opened their bomb bay doors, exerted a miraculous magnetism which shrunk the fires, gathered them into cylindrical steel containers, and lifted the containers into the bellies of the planes.

    "When the bombers got back to their base, the steel cylinders were taken from the racks and shipped back to the United States of America, where factories were operating night and day, dismantling the cylinders, separating the dangerous contents into minerals. ... The minerals were them shipped to specialists in remote areas. It was their business to put them into the ground, to hide them cleverly, so they would never hurt anybody ever again.

    "The American fliers turned in their uniforms, became high school kids."

  28. All I can think about... by default+luser · · Score: 2

    "I have lived too long. Hi ho."

    --

    Man is the animal that laughs.
    And occasionally whores for Karma.

  29. Re:RIP, but vastly overrated by natophonic · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Ah yes. If only our youth would concern themselves not with creativity, non-conformity, and critical thinking, but instead the Virtues and Values befitting a Christian Nation. Instead of wasting their minds upon the disspative slanders of a crypto-communist like Vonnegut, it would behoove them to instead read a Great Book by an Excellent Mind.