Six-Dimensional Space-Time Theory

eldavojohn writes "PhysOrg is covering an interesting year-old paper that proposes an alternative six-dimensional theory of space and time. George Sparling's proposition, based on Einstein's general relativity and Elie Cartan's triality, is a twistor space (which I've only read of in Roger Penrose's latest work). The gist is that space-time is modeled not by four dimensions but by six, and that the extra two dimensions are time-like. Sparling is hoping that tests from the Large Hadron Collider will help prove his theory. The paper is heavy but the PhysOrg article summarizes it nicely."

Comments

No humsn has a right to think wrong!

[Anonymous Coward]

Time is four-dimensional, so there are 7 dimensions! So sayeth the TimeCube!

Re:No humsn has a right to think wrong!

[Dun Malg]

Time is four-dimensional, so there are 7 dimensions! So sayeth the TimeCube! Come on, you idiot mods! If ever there was an appropriate time to bring up timecube.com, this is it. Is it that it's the first post? Use your brain and actually critically examine the content of a post before modding, please. This isn't a GNAA troll, he didn't once say "frist post", "fust poost", or "frost piss" anywhere in the message body, and the TimeCube guy is a fairly old and well known example of what happens when you let a billion people put whatever they like on the internet.

According to the paper...

[Shihar]

I was reading the paper on this theory. I found this part VERY interesting. It is like my whole life has meaning now.

Cubicism, Not group theory.
If ignorant of the almighty
Time Cube Creation Truth,
you deserve to be killed.
Killing you is not immoral -
but justified to save life on
Earth for future generations.
Academic taught singularity
within universe of opposites,
has lobotomized your mind.
You are Enslaved by Word -
no whip or shackle required.
You do not have the freedom
to discuss/debate Time Cube.
Academia destroys your mind
by suppressing opposite view.
God equals self masturbation
of mind - for opposites create.
You are educated singularities.
YOU DESERVE DEATH -
FOR SINGULARITY EVIL
in the Universe of Opposites.
No God Can Make Himself
as singularity is death, not life.
Planets nor human are entities
as they equal Zero Opposites.
You are educated singularity
stupid and evil, unfit for life
in the Universe of Opposites.

Heavy paper.

[chris_eineke]

My god, it's full of time!

I'm ridin' spinors

[tepples]

Sparling wrote:

In physics, the idea of a spinor stems from the finding that spectral lines of atoms seem to behave as if the angular momentum of the particles radiating photons was in half-integral units of the quantized spin (whose size is determined by Planck's constant). This was fully explained by Dirac's famous theory of the electron, which led him to successfully predict the existence of the positron.

Or as Three 6 Mafia put it: "I'm ridin' spinors, I'm ridin' spinors, they don't stop..."

Three time dimensions

[Harmonious Botch]

Now there are three ways we can have dupes.

Re:Three time dimensions

[crazyvas]

Now there are three ways we can have threeways.

Re:Three time dimensions

[Anonymous Coward]

Ah. That explains it. I'm caught in the "never" dimension of time. Not my fault then.

640k dimesions are enough!

[EmbeddedJanitor]

I just want to set an upper limit before everyone goes crazy.

Re:640k dimesions are enough!

[Walt Dismal]

By god, when I were a lad we only had three dimensions, and we LIKED it! You modern kids with yer artsy fartsy ponsy 6 dimensions! All we need was three, and we managed to build steam locomotives and conquer the West! You ain't never satisfied, is you? And strings -- my great-aunt's ass. If particles were good enough for Einstein, they should be good enough fer the likes of you! Hey now, Columbus sailed the ocean blue, and all he had were wormy biscuits. Bah. Ya poofters.

Re:640k dimesions are enough!

[Nyago]

mod parent +1 Sagan Reference

Re:640k dimesions are enough!

[mysticgoat]

Heinlein has already demonstrated that the ancients had established the upper limit. It is approximately 1.0314E+28 dimensions. This is
(6 raised to the 6th power) raised to the 6th power
which can be expressed as 6**6**6 or 6^6^6.

Note that the ancient symbol denoting exponentiation was more similar to today's typographer's "enspace" than any other symbol in current usage. This has led to the unfortunate confusion of the large number 6^6^6 with the much smaller quantity 666. All this is thoroughly explained to any careful reader of Heinlein's great work, The Number Of The Beast. Although Heinlein had to couch his findings in an extended allegory to get them published in the less enlightened times of 40 odd years ago, the discerning reader will be able to easily follow his logic. His reconciliation of sentient flying cars with biblical prophesy is masterful; the elegance with which he demonstrates the core relationship between Dorothy's Land of Oz and higher level topology is superb.

Note that in Qwerty Fortran and its derivatives, 6^6^6 is a singlekey bounced notation, which is easily demonstrated on most keyboards. This is a possibly significant clue to a secondary method of proving the ancient theorem.

Anyway, we know that 640k of anything is never enough. Not where there is profit to be made.

Re:Oblig...

[SlowMovingTarget]

Leonard Part 6? Lithgow was great in that... And the bit where Cosby drives through a mountain... priceless.

Einstein was a fraud

[Anonymous Coward]

Einstein was a fraud in every sense of the word, and his supposed theory of general relativity (which he stole) has been proven wrong, time and time again. The question everyone should be asking themselves is: why is general relativity still being taught if it's 100% false? The answer is simple: the powers that be do NOT want the masses to understand the true nature of the universe because if we did understand it, limitation and impossibility wouldn't exist. It's funny how the Theory of General Relativity came out at the same time as Nikola Tesla's Dynamic Theory of Gravity - Tesla was, and is, the only true genius that ever walked the face of this earth, and it's such a shame that history has totally forgotten the man who could have saved us all.

Re:Einstein was a fraud

[Random Destruction]

In related news,
Timecube.com wrote:

Educators are lying bastards. -1 x -1= +1 is WRONG, it is academic stupidity and is evil.

Re:Einstein was a fraud

[Goaway]

Actually Tesla created the equivalent of a waterwheel that tapped the energy of Earth's motion through the coelestial aether. However, the resulting drag force was larger than he'd predicted, and after his experiments introduced a full extra day in 1892 (February 31, 1892 - google it), he was forced to stop his experiments. The original wheel is still on display in his home town of Smiljan. On special occasions, it is started up and let spin freely, without an load attached.

Also, Tesla had to use the energy he'd stored up from the wheel (in a huge bank of capacitors - creating this was such a feat that the unit for capacitance is now named in his honour) to actually drive the wheel and restore the Earth's proper rotational period. Of course, the transfer wasn't without loss, which is why years divisible by 100 do not have leap days any longer.

Who cares.

[Chouonsoku]

I only read those dimension articles on Wikipedia because of the pretty animated gifs.

Well, that's just fantastic

[Manchot]

Great, not only do we have to figure out how to travel through time, but now we also have to figure out how to travel through uime and vime!

Missing something. . .

[Fantastic Lad]

I think this passage loses its full meaning when not presented in the original 48pt orange text on fluorescent green animated gif background.

There's, "Controversial and Open to Alternative Explanations", and then there's, "Insanity".

Spelling and language skills tend to decay the further toward the "Insanity" end of the spectrum one travels. Interestingly, I've read Right Wing screeds which don't fare much better in the language department. Learn to discern.

-FL

I thought Gravity was the 4th dimension

[Degrees]

As the field expands, we interpret it as time - but the actual drag on the field is seen as gravity. This makes the four directions left-right, up-down, forward-backward, (and in a twisty spiral that looks like a logarithmic curve, but is really just yet-another-right-angle in the fourth dimension) inward-outward (collapsing-expanding).

OK - I'm just messing with you. I have no idea - but I looked through a textbook at a UC Berkeley bookstore years ago with that title, with the picture of the logarithmic spiral, and liked the idea.

;-)

SIX dimensions?!?

[DragonHawk]

What's that?? *SIX* whole dimensions? Why, when I was starting out, we only had three dimensions, and we liked it that way. Length, width, and height were good enough for us, and they should be good enough for anyone. Why, we sometimes had to work in just *two* dimensions -- *and they were both length*! You didn't hear *us* complaining about relativity or quantum effects. If it can't be expressed in a Newtonian physics, it shouldn't be expressed at all, that's what we said. Pretty soon you'll be inventing time travel and creating causality paradoxes and tearing apart the entire space-time continuum, and *then* where will we be, I ask ya? You young scientists these days, why, you have no idea what proper respect is.

And get off my lawn!

Who modded that insightful?

[Manchot]

I thought that my judicious use of the non-existent words "uime" and "vime" would be the first clue that I wasn't very serious.

Submitted for your approval

[Reality Master 101]

As usual, Rod predicted this:

"There is a sixth dimension beyond that which is known to man. It is a dimension as vast as space and as timeless as infinity. It is the middle ground between light and shadow, and it lies between the pit of man's fears and the summit of his knowledge. This is the dimension of imagination. It is an area that might be called the Twilight Zone."

QFA

[CrazyJim1]

Consider this analogy: if you take a plate and hold it in one hand horizontally whilst twisting it under your arm backwards through 360 degrees, your arm ends up in the air after one rotation, and it needs another 360 degree rotation to get it back to the beginning," he said.
I think I saw that happen to a dude on UFC then he tapped out with his remaining arm.

Re:Mods on crack again

[Anonymous Coward]

Maybe not flambait (sic), but definately on some acid trip. Reminds me of some of the stuff written in the sixties (like Pink Floyd's early stuff) ;-)

You are definately (sic) an idiot.

Oblig.

[Eudial]

I, for one, welcome our new six dimensional overlords...

Project deadlines may now be met!

[Alain Williams]

Now if only I can learn how to use those 2 extra time dimensions, I might get the extra month that I need to complete the project before it is due tomorrow.

Great news for project planners everywhere!

How do we redraw gantt charts to represent these extra dimensions ?

Re:Why 3 dimensions of space?

[ross.w]

Actually, there are 4:

For this cause, I bow my knees to the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, 3:15 from whom every family in heaven and on earth is named, 3:16 that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, that you may be strengthened with power through his Spirit in the inward man; 3:17 that Christ may dwell in your hearts through faith; to the end that you, being rooted and grounded in love, 3:18 may be strengthened to comprehend with all the saints what is the breadth and length and height and depth, 3:19 and to know Christ's love which surpasses knowledge, that you may be filled with all the fullness of God.

Ephesians 3:14-19

Re:interpret

[joto]

Can anybody explain this in terms we can understand, like rubber sheets and spinning balls?

Personally I would prefer an explanation using marshmallow fishing rods and ringing alarm bells.

Re:Number of the Beast

[MichaelSmith]

Definately sounds like Jacob Burrough's theory

And a universe for every slashdot meme.

Re:Cranks love their Tesla

[Anonymous Coward]

You are hereby forbidden to employ parenthetical clauses for the lesser of one year or until you've learned how to (fucking) use them.

Re:Consequences of three dimensional time?

[Dunbal]

What would it mean for there to be more than one time dimension?

      It would certainly mean lots of extra funding for scientists who are pushing that hypothesis.

Large Hardon Collider?

[UnRDJ]

Sounds kinky.