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RIAA Wants Student Deposed On School Day

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "In a Houston, Texas, case, UMG v. Hightower, the RIAA has served a subpoena on the defendant's son, a high school student, on one day's notice, telling him to be at a lawyer's office at 9:00 a.m. the next day, a school day, for a deposition. The defendant's lawyer objected (PDF)."

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  1. Prays? by jakosc · · Score: 5, Funny
    From the Motion to Quash:

    Defendant prays that the court grants this motion Prays?? Is that what's necessary now?
    1. Re:Prays? by FlatLine84 · · Score: 5, Funny

      I dunno, but this excuse beats the "My dog ate my homework" line.

    2. Re:Prays? by Frymaster · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I don't quite remember (sorry, I don't live in the USA). Isn't Texas one of the state where you can't work as a government official if you're a bloody atheist?

      i don't know about the 'bloody' part, but article 1 section 4 of the bill of 'rights' of the texas constitution states that people may not hold office if they don't "acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being".

      the full text is:

      "No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."

      my source is here.

    3. Re:Prays? by sjf · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The words court, curia and curate are cognates. Early European courts were indeed held in church. Hence 'pray' is not strictly secular.
      (Of course, the origin of the word curia is even earlier and during roman times simply meant a division of the people, then the term was applied to the people meeting as a body in order to make civil and judicial decisions. It is through the Catholic church that "curia" acquired its eclesiatical meaning.)

    4. Re:Prays? by hax0r_this · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, I did some research on the topic last year and it seems that Texas doesn't enforce that clause in order not to dirty their image. If they were to enforce it they would be challenged, and if they took it all the way to the Supreme Court they would lose there, so rather than going through all that they just keep the clause for the warm fuzzy feeling it gives them, but don't bother to enforce it.

    5. Re:Prays? by wesmills · · Score: 5, Informative
      I do live in Texas, and the use of the word "pray" in a legal document, at least in the American legal system, does not imply communications with a religious deity. "Pray," as a verb, has at least two meanings that are distinctive here:

      4. to make earnest petition to (a person).
      5. to make petition or entreaty for; crave

      (See: dictionary.com)

      The legal "pray" simply is a formal way to ask the Court for an action. You will find this phrase in many legal filings, not just in Texas courts.

      Thanks for the slam, though; always good to see the myths and legends preserved.

    6. Re:Prays? by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Funny

      You could probably get away with Diana Ross.

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  2. Go figure. by Mockylock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    RIAA is basically becoming an automated bot nowadays, anyway. I'd be surprised if they don't show up in court as robots with brief cases as well.

    Someone needs to start doing something about RIAA's boundaries and arrogance, considering they're getting so careless with who they're attacking nowadays. How long will it be, before Judges and courtrooms are sick of these petty charges, and start only allowing the larger criminals who actually sell and distribute?

    Right now, you're paying less when distributing marijuana or posessing cocaine, than you are to host MP3's.. EVEN if you're a child!

    There HAS to be a line drawn somewhere.

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  3. Re:School Day == Work Day? by pla · · Score: 5, Insightful

    and forcing them to either work on a weekend or wait until he's on vacation is stretching things.

    THEY want his deposition. Not the other way around.

    Why should he suffer an inconvenience to suit their schedule?

    In the same situation, if I had to lose a day's pay to humor the RIAA, I'd feel mightily pissed off. OTOH, I have very little doubt that some hungry young lawyer would work OT on the RIAA's dollar to take the deposition on Saturday or some weeknight.

  4. TAKS Test by FerociousFerret · · Score: 5, Informative

    The real kicker here is not that it is a school day, but it is during Texas Assessment of Knowledge and Skills (TAKS) test week as well and the one day notice.

  5. Re:School Day == Work Day? by mass · · Score: 5, Informative

    The day in question was one in which the student was required to show up to take the TAKS test, a state-wide standardized test that's required for graduation.

  6. Re:School Day == Work Day? by cprael · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 24 hour notice thing is called abuse of process. It goes beyond the fishing expedition aspects, and gets into "now we're going to use this to screw up your life."

    BTDT.

  7. Re:School Day == Work Day? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why should he suffer an inconvenience to suit their schedule?


    Because this is one of the RIAA file sharing lawsuits. Making people suffer is their primary objective. The greater inconvenience in the initial stages, the less likely someone will actually challenge them. This is the RIAA saying "We can make life miserable for you and your entire family, and it's completely legal. So cough up whatever amount of money _we_ think is fair, and we won't keep you dangling in legal hell for the next decade."
  8. Re:School Day == Work Day? by BlueNoteMKVI · · Score: 5, Informative

    How about some time after 3 PM? That's when school lets out around here - most businesses are open until at least 5. The motion also specifically noted that the student was supposed to take the TAKS test today. TAKS is our statewide standardized test which must be passed for promotion to the next grade or for graduation at the end of high school. If he misses the TAKS test he'll have to make it up at some point, forcing him to miss another day of school. TAKS days are only ~5 days out of the school year depending on grade level. Asking for a deposition on a non-TAKS day would be much less of a burden.

  9. It's intentional by dkgasaway · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm convinced the school-day deposition request is very intentional. They want the other kids to know the boy missed an important school day because he was in hot water over file sharing. It's all part of their perverse scare tactics.

  10. What happens when a disposition is blown off by Pi3141592 · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dispositions are required attendance, which is why a subpoena is generally issued to enforce them. If he blows off showing up, the consequences (if any) are entirely up to the judge who issued the subpoena.... who, if particularly pissed off that day, could find him in contempt of court and sentence him to jail time. Under the circumstances, though, I can't see any (reasonable) judge doing this.

  11. Shows what you know by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Why does the music industry feel it should tamper with the education of our minors just to placate some facile legal action?"

    Dude, get a clue: these are *pirates, they don't care about education. All they care about is stealing, stealing, stealing other people's intellectual property.

    If anything is tampering with their education, it's the alien viruses in their brains, which impel them to download our songs for *nothing, thereby descrating our intellectual property. The same intellectual property provided for in the Constitution, section IV, which says

    "Intellectual property rocks. We should have lots of it."

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  12. Judge Atlas will sort this out. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    OK - I am posting anonymously because I am a lawyer. First - When you subpoena someone to appear for deposition, Rule 30(b)(1) says you must give them reasonable notice. The Court is very, very likely to say that 24 hours notice is not reasonable notice. Second - It is extremely bad form, though not actually improper, to just notice someone for deposition without talking to them first about the date. Just leads to exactly this kind of problem. Third - RIAA is represented by lawyers who know better. Gardere Wynn is a Really Big Firm. They know better than to behave this way in front of Judge Atlas. Shame on them. Federal Court practices demands a higher standard of behavior on the part of the lawyers. Fourth - You have to properly serve the witness. Emailing the mom's lawyer in an attempt to serve the kids is not proper service. However, it does make sense to email mom's lawyer and ASK whether he would accept service so that you don't have to send a process server out to serve the kids. All in all, I would not expect Judge Atlas to be pleased with Gardere, Wynn's behavior here. Judge Atlas is a good judge. I'd expect her to make RIAA play according to the rules here. One of the great things about federal court is that the judges are generally of very high caliber, are extremely/proudly independent, and don't take no shit off of nobody. As long as you play by the rules, are prepared and don't waste the judge's time the solo lawyer with a brand new law license will be treated the same as hordes of grey haired lawyers from a mega-firm.