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Criminalizing The Consumer - Where DRM Went Wrong

][nTrUdEr writes "The Economist has posted an editorial on how DRM has gone wrong. What ostensibly began as a tool to ensure artists received due compensation for their work has been turned, and now criminalizes the consumer for wanting to use what they have purchased. 'Despite the number of iTunes downloaded for a fee, Apple would be in trouble if people were prevented from transferring legitimately owned CDs to their iPods. The software Apple gives away to iPod customers is designed to let them do just that. Most people think it ludicrous that they can't do the same with the DVDs they own. Now it seems, despite squeals from the movie industry, the law is finally moving in the video fan's favour. The issue in the recent case was whether Kaleidescape, a maker of digital "jukeboxes" that store a person's video and music collections and distribute the entertainment around the home, had breached the terms of the DVD Content Control Association's CSS (content scrambling system) license.'"

75 comments

  1. License by Zero_DgZ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license." I am not agreeing to anything. I am not bending to the will of anyone's "license," I am not signing anything, I am not entering a contract, I am not forfeiting anything, waiving anything, and I am not compromising anything. I am buying a copy of some physical medium for my own enjoyment, and at that point I own that copy of that medium. I have already entered into a "license" for this media through a little thing called copyright law. Anything beyond the application of this copyright law, which includes fair use clauses for a very good reason, is bullshit. Pure and simple.

    1. Re:License by snarkh · · Score: 0


      But they are not suing you, they are suing Kaleidoscope.

      (Not too say they are justified)

    2. Re:License by packeteer · · Score: 2, Insightful

      When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license."

      Unfortunately you are.

      I have already entered into a "license" for this media through a little thing called copyright law.

      And copyright law is getting worse and worse for the consumer. Remember that law is all about interpretation. Some people used to interpret Jim Crow laws as perfectly constitutional and legally OK.

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    3. Re:License by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 1

      SSSSHHHHHH!

      If you tell them that, they will force us to read EULA's at the point of sale and sign contracts in blood!

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    4. Re:License by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Interesting

      '' When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license." ''

      Unfortunately you are.

      Not yet you're not. The media companies have yet to receive any court judgements which strip away right of first sale and fair use. Just laws that act to impede such things like the DCMA and it's exported derivatives around the world.

      '' I have already entered into a "license" for this media through a little thing called copyright law. ''

      And copyright law is getting worse and worse for the consumer.

      Yes, but hopefully the pendulum in the courts has started to swing back to a more moderating influence.

      Someone needs to remind the content companies that treating your customers like criminals, and impeding everything they do isn't going to get you more customers, it's going to get you less. And, graciously offering to give us our rights back in a roundabout way isn't the way to do it.

      They buy all of these laws which, on the surface, are intended to stop the widespread commercial exploitation of people selling counterfeit items. But, it has the effect of not reducing piracy at all, and attempting to remove the rights of the average consumer to use the thing they've bought.

      They're also trying to argue the line you seem to be buying into -- that when you buy a physical product (a DVD or a CD) that you're entering into a contractually binding obligation to only do what they like with it. That, is completely untrue, and I hope it stays that way.

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    5. Re:License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license."
      That's not the license they're talking about. It looks like the article is about a developer, Kaleidescape, who apparently did sign a license from DVDCCA. This isn't someone who saw a "own the specs now!" ad on TV and bought something with no strings attached.
    6. Re:License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already signed a contract in blood, it guaranteed me immunity from DRM for 7 years, I wonder what happens that the end of those 7 years...

    7. Re:License by kimvette · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unfortunately you are.


      No, you're NOT. RIAA and MPAA members fully recognize this in their advertising. When a movie comes out on DVD, they don't say "license Narnia on DVD today" they say "Own Narnia on DVD today" and ditto for CDs.

      It is a commodity product; just as with a book, when you buy it, you OWN it. It does come with some limited restrictions, e.g., you cannot make and distribute copies (in full or in part) outside of the Fair Use clause exceptions, but you absolutely, positively do own it.
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    8. Re:License by Dan+Ost · · Score: 1

      And they would never sell another DVD again.

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    9. Re:License by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What the RIAA, MPAA, and media industry believe no longer matters. I believe I have a right to use my purchased CDs and DVDs any way I choose within my sphere of influence, which includes all property, vehicles and devices I own. The difference is that my belief only affects me (fair use), while their beliefs attempt to affect everyone.

      The only thing differentiating DVDs from the CD situation is the encryption, which in truth only provides thin legal protection to the media in question, it has absolutely no effect on preventing copies (we all know what made CSS weak).

      Having said all that, I think that none of these groups really intend to stop copying. The artificial barrier to copying is a welcome side effect, however I think its original and continued purpose is to restrict your ability to use media, not your ability to copy it.

      I think the media industry is trying to enable a business model wherein you must purchase media rights for each device you intend to use, so called "Viewing Rights". Of course there are a number of executives who want to fight piracy simply for a refusal to admit defeat, but I think a majority of these companies and the officers in charge of them are more interested in maximizing financial return on the products they sell to the public, by changing the business model from a universal media purchase, to one of individual device rights. While the current HD-DVD and Blu-ray systems don't appear to contain this sort of individualization, it is present in every other form of digital media currently in use, and probably will be in any future system from now on.

    10. Re:License by mrsteveman1 · · Score: 1

      You and all your media burn in a pit of fire

      Have a nice day :D

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    11. Re:License by fyngyrz · · Score: 1

      And what of the DRM on XP and Vista? Change your machine once too often... someone steals your codes (or generates them using a hacking tool)... next time your OS has a hissy fit, Microsoft might refuse to re-activate it, leaving all your software and data high and dry.

      If you buy XP or Vista, or any other software package that claims the right to "revoke" your ability to use it, you're directly supporting DRM.

      DRM is intellectual and social poison.

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    12. Re:License by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. They can not force you to sign such a document. You can choose to sign away your rights just because you want to watch a movie, but they cannot force you to rent the movie. This is all just a matter of whether or not people are willing to make some small sacrifices in order to vote with their pocketbooks or not. If you're willing to value drm'ed products and sign stupidly restrictive EULA's, then you get what you deseve, an industry that will gradually strip you of all your rights related to the product they sell.

      If the content providers couldn't sell drm'ed products with restrictive EULA's they would soon get out of that business, or change their business model, because they would immediately go bankrupt if they didn't. As long as people keep valuing content over their own rights then the companies will keep on doing what they are doing.

    13. Re:License by schon · · Score: 1

      When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license." Unfortunately you are. And what of the DRM on XP and Vista? Funny, I wasn't aware that they were albums or movies.
    14. Re:License by Reziac · · Score: 1

      "And what of the DRM on XP and Vista?"
      "Funny, I wasn't aware that they were albums or movies."

      Crap, and here I was all set to sit down and watch their computer-generated special effects!!

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    15. Re:License by fyngyrz · · Score: 1
      Funny, I wasn't aware that they were albums or movies.

      Funny, I wasn't aware that the only way to abuse a customer was with music or video.

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    16. Re:License by metzjtm · · Score: 1

      When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license." I am not agreeing to anything. I am not bending to the will of anyone's "license," I am not signing anything, I am not entering a contract, I am not forfeiting anything, waiving anything, and I am not compromising anything. I am buying a copy of some physical medium for my own enjoyment, and at that point I own that copy of that medium. I have already entered into a "license" for this media through a little thing called copyright law. Anything beyond the application of this copyright law, which includes fair use clauses for a very good reason, is bullshit. Pure and simple. I agree. By the way I bought my first song from Apple just a few days ago.
    17. Re:License by kimvette · · Score: 1

      Funny, I wasn't aware that they were albums or movies.


      No, but it IS a commodity good, not a work for hire under contract, and as such, right of first sale applies; NOT licensing. You are still bound by Copyright Law so this doesn't mean you get to buy one copy and install it on 30,000 computers in an enterprise, but legally, you CAN hack and modify it, you CAN bypass all the DRM you want, you CAN delete it, you CAN remove that copy from one PC and install it on another PC. If you modify it you might not be able to redistribute the derivative work, but you can certainly distribute a utility which can affect those modifications/improvements.

      It is a commodity item sold off the shelf, just like books, guns, and frozen OJ concentrate.
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    18. Re:License by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      When I buy an album or a movie, I am not buying a "license."
      I agree. By the way I bought my first song from Apple just a few days ago.
      Pretty funny, since iTMS users do license, rather than buy. Apple's store doesn't sell any music.
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    19. Re:License by Budenny · · Score: 1

      Its actually less even than that. No matter what you sign, it will not be unpheld by any court if

      (i) it violates consumer protection laws or
      (ii) it commits you to colluding in anti comptitive restrive practices

  2. Grooveshark.com subverts this, too. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yep. That's why companies like Grooveshark have a chance to break into the music industry.

  3. Very simple... by Otter · · Score: 4, Insightful
    There's a very simple solution, and all you goobers were claiming you were for it back in the Napster days, before it started happening:

    Trust consumers, eliminate DRM and sue the pants off of illegal file sharers. Yes, that means college students, nine-year-olds, cancer patients, single mothers and everyone else. Yes, that means some small percentage of erroneous accusations.

    That's the solution, not some goofball schemes to turn the whole entertainment industry into street mimes.

    1. Re:Very simple... by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 1

      What if no-drm music leads to another napster situation where EVERYONE is sharing their iTunes purchases?

      It seems the industry prefers equilibria to standard plans of action

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    2. Re:Very simple... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And that, as we all know, is exactly what happened.

      Oh, wait... Only the "Sue the Pants off people" part happened. And with evidence that leaves a shawdow of a doubt as large as the one casted by Olympus Mons.

      Yeah, that's exactly what I remember everybody saying they wanted back in the napster days.

      FAIL

    3. Re:Very simple... by kimvette · · Score: 1

      It won't. In order to share Itunes purchases now, all you need to do is strip off the DRM (either by downloading utilities to do so, or burn to CD and then re-rip it) and share it.

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  4. Making the legal product worse... by _xeno_ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is what annoys me about pretty much all forms of DRM - the anti-piracy measures ultimately make the pirated version simply better than the legal version.

    With Windows, the pirated version removed the annoying "phone home" feature that Microsoft uses to ensure the product is legit. With computer games, it prevents the stupid "CD in the drive" requirement just to play a game that's using 8GB of hard drive space. With movies, it allows watchers to skip the stupid previews and FBI warning and jump straight to the actual content.

    Ultimately DRM punishes those who would purchase the media legally, and makes the pirated version just that much more attractive. Why should I pay $20 for a DVD when a free rip offers better usability?

    I'm more than willing to pay for content. I just don't want to have to put up with all the brain-dead restrictions placed on it solely because I'm foolish enough to actually attempt to support the content creators. For the love of common sense, make the legal product at the very least almost as good as the pirated version, instead of substantially worse!

    And please, please stop demanding that people who paid for the game have to use the CD in PC games. That alone is enough to push me to find the no-CD cracks. I shouldn't have to turn to pirates to make my purchases worthwhile!

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    1. Re:Making the legal product worse... by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 5, Funny

      With movies, it allows watchers to skip the stupid previews and FBI warning and jump straight to the actual content. Maybe that's why the pirates will never stop, they are not seeing the FBI warnings!
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    2. Re:Making the legal product worse... by fred911 · · Score: 1

      "I just don't want to have to put up with all the brain-dead restrictions placed on it solely because I'm foolish enough to actually attempt to support the content creators. \

      The majority of the support you give goes to the distributors, not the creators, and therein lies the problem.

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  5. The Economist... get it by MosesJones · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is an advertorial for the folks at the Economist, I'm a subscriber and its easily been the most useful journal I've ever subscribed to, it gives a clear business view of what is going on, so even when they get technology wrong you can see how the business will get it wrong too.

    Put it this way, if you are arguing with the business and can say "The economist said" its going to be a million times better that wired/slashdot/any computing mag you can think of.

    Politically its "liberal" in the traditional sense of the word (i.e. slightly right wing and think the government should keep out of our lives)

    Mark me up, mark me down, its a class magazine.

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    1. Re:The Economist... get it by ericrost · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not to be pedantic boy, but unless The Economist paid you for that post, its a malapropism to call it an advertorial. An advertorial is when someone pays you to present a story on something as though it were your opinion/a news piece.

      Sorry, I *THINK* my karma can take the hit (ducks)

    2. Re:The Economist... get it by grcumb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Politically [The Economist is] "liberal" in the traditional sense of the word (i.e. slightly right wing and think the government should keep out of our lives)

      No offense, but: You need to get out of the US more often.

      The Economist's research and analysis is the best in journalism today, but its editorial stance is most decidedly not liberal. It has little tolerance for many of the things liberalism holds dear, and if anything aligns more with centrist conservative philosophy than anything else[*]. That said, they do occasionally see the value of government intervention in things, but if that's how you define liberalism, then... well, you need to get out of the US more often. 8^)

      [*] I am sure, by the way, that the editors of the Economist would not admit to any political philosophy except a shrewd and realistic appraisal of the world as it exists today.

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    3. Re:The Economist... get it by wwwojtek · · Score: 4, Informative

      I don't think you understood what he said - by all means, the Economist is "liberal" in the traditional (or European) meaning of that word, it is hardly the same thing as what "liberal" means in the U.S.

    4. Re:The Economist... get it by MosesJones · · Score: 2, Informative

      It would be hard to get myself out of the US more often.... I live outside of the US and my definition of liberal is of the economic and personal kid.

      They regularly describe themselves as liberal in the editorials and articles, particularly around individual's freedom and economic policy. Basic tennets of liberalism match pretty well to what the economist stands for IMO. This isn't woolly liberalism of a wet blanket kind, its the direct "torture is wrong, restriction of liberty is wrong, government interference with economies almost always goes pear shaped" kind.

      Maybe you might need to read the Economist a bit more :)

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    5. Re:The Economist... get it by Ohreally_factor · · Score: 2, Funny

      My initial response to reading the editorial was, "Those goddamn commies . . .er, at the Economist . . .uh."

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    6. Re:The Economist... get it by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      Put it this way, if you are arguing with the business and can say "The economist said" its going to be a million times better that wired/slashdot/any computing mag you can think of.

      I like reading "The Economist" myself. However because I only read one maybe two compleat issues a month and it's a weekly I don't subscribe.

      Falcon
    7. Re:The Economist... get it by falconwolf · · Score: 1

      The Economist's research and analysis is the best in journalism today, but its editorial stance is most decidedly not liberal. It has little tolerance for many of the things liberalism holds dear, and if anything aligns more with centrist conservative philosophy than anything else[*]. That said, they do occasionally see the value of government intervention in things, but if that's how you define liberalism

      Actually Liberals were those who wanted not big government but small government and believed in capitalism. Liberalism has it's roots in the Age of Reason and the Age of Enlightenment. It was carried over from France during the Enlightenment. As it's being used predominately today, in the USA, the meaning of "Liberal" has been twisted around so much many take it to mean socialism now.

      Falcon
    8. Re:The Economist... get it by geeber · · Score: 1

      so even when they get technology wrong

      You mean like when they use the word "iTunes" when they really mean "songs"?

  6. Kaleidescape licensed CSS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not use clean-room reverse-engineering and reimplementation? If a 15-year old can do it, then surely a big software company can afford to do it too. This way they are not bound by the CCA contract.

    1. Re:Kaleidescape licensed CSS? by cpt+kangarooski · · Score: 1

      Because then they'd be manufacturing and distributing a circumvention device, which is illegal, just like DeCSS is illegal.

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  7. With apologies to Douglas Adams by Tackhead · · Score: 4, Funny
    > Where DRM Went Wrong

    ...had been obvious to all of us reading Slashdot, even between the 500/503 errors, but that didn't stop the Economist from making a small fortune when they used it in their trilogy of editorial blockbusters including:

    Some More of DRM's Greatest Mistakes, Well That About Wraps It Up for DRM, and What Is This DRM Shit Anyway?

  8. Only 9 years by michaelmalak · · Score: 4, Interesting
    It's only taken 9 years since Linux DVD users started being prosecuted to the now when the media is finally picking it up thanks to the public's addiction to Steve Jobs' trinkets.

    Just as we have been clamoring for geek involvement in patent review, we should be clamoring for geek involvement in legislation review. Geeks can a) forsee future applications of technology and b) find potential bugs due to the similarity of rigidity and logic between law and code (see comments such as mine attached to Source Control For Bills In Congress?).

    9 years. 9 years of prosecution. 9 years of our EFF dollars wasted having to fight this.

    1. Re:Only 9 years by BalanceOfJudgement · · Score: 5, Insightful

      9 years. 9 years of prosecution. 9 years of our EFF dollars wasted having to fight this.


      Think of it instead as a group of motivated people, aware of the slippery slope that was approaching, taking action to prevent it from becoming firmly entrenched.

      If those 9 years of battle hadn't been fought, and instead people lay down and accept it until it was too late to fight it, we'd then experience.. who knows? how many years of locked down content and bland crap produced by the people rich enough to pay licensing fees.

      Once a system becomes widely used and mostly accepted, it's difficult if not impossible to change it, no matter how heinous, illegal, or rights-infringing. That these 9 years were marked by a battle against that is something to be proud of.

      One could argue it's a battle that should never have been fought, which is true, but there will always be someone or some corporation willing to push the limits of rights and ethics to make a buck. The battle never ends.
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    2. Re:Only 9 years by cyberbob2351 · · Score: 1

      We need geeks in Washington. Few politicians understand where our society is going with regards to technology and the information age.

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    3. Re:Only 9 years by h4ck7h3p14n37 · · Score: 1

      What individuals have been prosecuted? AFAIK, only companies trying to sell things like DVD jukeboxes were prosecuted. And in those cases, wasn't the real issue the fact that they weren't a CSS licensee but were decrypting CSS streams in violation of the patent?

    4. Re:Only 9 years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Prosecuted? See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DeCSS and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_v._Reimerde s

      Linux distros also could not legally include libdvdcss, so MS and Apple got points in the eyes of consumers.

  9. Kaleidescape vs. the Others by norminator · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It would be nice to believe that since Kaleidescape won their lawsuit, that iTunes, Windows Media Player, and all the other media products out there will be able to let the users rip their own DVDs. But I don't think that'll be the case anytime soon (no matter how badly I want it to be that way). Kaleidescape won their lawsuit because they had previously licensed CSS decryption, probably before the DVDCCA really caught on to what they were planning on doing with it. Had the DVDCCA known what the Kaleidescape system would be, they never would have granted the license.

    Which is funny, because it's probably one of the most locked down, secured DVD movie servers out there. Other similar servers use DeCSS (they just tell the end users where to download it, so the manufacturer isn't doing anything *illegal*), and they have their movies stored in Windows folders that can easily be accessed and shared with anyone on the network. That's right, they went after the company that had the most MPAA/DVDCCA friendly product possible, and let the other guys with lesser products get by on "illegal" software.

    1. Re:Kaleidescape vs. the Others by Kjella · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Had the DVDCCA known what the Kaleidescape system would be, they never would have granted the license.

      Exactly what the case was about, there's a zillion solutions to copy DVDs but none endorsed by the DVDCCA.

      Other similar servers use DeCSS (they just tell the end users where to download it, so the manufacturer isn't doing anything *illegal*)

      Based on the Grokster ruling, I wouldn't bet on that. If they point users to DeCSS, if they advertise features you don't get without breaking the DMCA, if they encourage users to break the law, they'll lose the Sony vs Betamax shield. The Supreme court was in no doubt about that, a 9-0 ruling. To be protected you need to treat criminal activity like a lepar. You don't touch it, don't endorse it, certainly not advertise or support it. If the users do it all by themselves, not your problem but you can't tell them to. It's the difference between selling crowbars and burglar tools, knives and stab weapons, rifles and armed robbery tools. digicams and child porn production equipment. The tools are exactly identical, but you sure can't sell them as the latter.

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    2. Re:Kaleidescape vs. the Others by norminator · · Score: 1
      Here's one manufacturer's take on it:

      Axonix does not produce, sell, ship or induce the use of any means to load media onto its products including DVD CSS decrypting software or any other software that may violate copyright regulations... In no event, whether you agree to this disclaimer or not, shall Axonix Corporation be liable for any losses dues to illegal use of this product or any incidental, exemplary, special, or consequential damages regardless of whether Axonix Corporation was advised of the possibility of such damages."

      They then give a list of links to articles about Fair Use, so that everything they advertise their product can do will be in harmony with these legal disclaimers. I can assure you, DeCSS is exactly what they point their users to. At least, they did a few months ago.

      This one is a little clearer about the use of libdvdcss (without calling it by name):

      MIRV systems are presently not capable of uploading encrypted DVDs. When and if the legal environment changes, owners of MIRV systems are able to download open-source code software (a DVD decryption utility) from the web that enables the MIRV system to be used for storing commercial DVD content. MIRV systems have a utility that permits customers to integrate a decryption utility This utility is primarily used by corporate customers who have proprietary encryption algorithms, but can also be used by the customer for integrating a decryption utility that works for commercial DVDs. Instructions for installation of decryption software are provided in the MIRV installation guide. Users are free to download DVD decryption utility software at such time as they feel the legal environment in their jurisdiction permits such activity. Nothing in this FAQ provided by Xperinet should be considered legal advice.
  10. The problem by palladiate · · Score: 5, Informative
    The problem with DRM is the introduction of scarcity into a scenario where there is no natural scarcity. Current economic models such as communism, socialism, and capitalism exist only to handle the efficient or fair distribution of scarce (limited) resources. They have no mechanism for handling goods where there will never be a scarcity. The degree on my wall that says Economics tells me I should know more about this than most people, but I think most everyone understands the problem, even if they can't put it into words.

    I usually explain the current problem with reconciling creative incentive with no natural scarcities as a fable. Imagine a berry bush that has very, very tasty berries, but is excruciatingly difficult to grow. The farmer has to spend hundreds of man hours raising the bush, and cannot hold another job while doing so. The owner of the bush decides to hire 5 armed men to guard the bush, and sell baskets of berries for 5 dollars a piece, until they are gone. We call this capitalism. The owner pays for the cost of raising the bush and the guards, and profit goes towards his livelihood. If there were no guards, and looting of the bush happened, the owner is out of a bush, economic opportunity, and probably a livelihood. Looting causes an inefficient distribution of resources. Communism would look similarly, but the farmer would have doled out the berries equally to who wanted them, for the cost of a generally collected (taxed) stipend, from everyone who did and did not want them.

    Now, imagine if that bush never ran out of berries. Sure, people might get tired of the berries, or they might not like berries. But you get two interesting problems. First, if the farmer keeps selling berries, he makes unlimited money. That drops his costs to nearly zero. Second, if he's looted, he is not out of berries to sell. He is only out of the opportunity to sell the berries. Capitalism doesn't protect your demand, only the physical property you have to sell. Sure, eating gobs and gobs of berries means that those people are now full on berries and have no interest in buying, but maybe everyone didn't anyway. Law does not regulate demand.

    The farmer who owns the unlimited berry bush does not need guards to prevent the stealing of property, he needs them to protect his demand. If he left the bush unattended overnight, he does not lose property, he only loses demand. If modern capitalism is to be remodeled to include protection of demand, you quickly find that you can't write a negative review of a product, or change your tastes, as well as similar problems, since you have damaged demand for a creators product.

    And this is the problem with DRM. DRM are the armed guards at the unlimited berry bush. This is NOT the most efficient method of distribution. The most efficient method would collect enough money for farmers to have incentive to grow a bush, but would not prevent the widest distribution of berries possible (everyone who wants one). Plain and simple, no current economic model satisfies perfectly.

    You can make arguments that theater seats are a scarcity now, and good movie experiences can be used to generate profit and motivation. But when the day comes of very, very cheap home theaters, you have to shift the model again. Concerts are better, and could save the music model, but apart from plays, this is really a difficult problem for big-budget movies. Not allowing unlimited distribution is very inefficient, as is not compensating the creator. Truly, it's a curse of riches.

    There, you get a class lecture for free, without DRM.

    1. Re:The problem by germansausage · · Score: 1

      Hey. This is slashdot here, big guy. You have to use a bad automobile analogy.

      OK I'm kidding, and thanks for the clear and thoughtful explanation.

    2. Re:The problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's an economic model: Vote with your dollars. Free to experience: don't like, don't donate; crap dies, greatness lives. Can't get any closer to an optimal economic model where there is no scarcity, it there? But then again there really is scarcity. But it is in the imagination sector not in the distribution one. Classic case of legislating scarcity. See: Illegal Drugs. Also see: 18th Amendment and 21st Amendment.

    3. Re:The problem by TristanGrimaux · · Score: 1

      In your analogy there is something missing: everyone can plant this bush and share the berries with their friends. So, the designer who created the bush looking for a special flavor is not loosing the opportunity to sell, is loosing the expected income of his intellectual work.

      Intellectual property does exist in capitalism: it is property.

      The problem here is that a group of companies related to the distribution of a good are not finding a way to compete with the internet and the digital culture. They have to reconvert their industries, they have to evolve and adapt. Those who don't evolve expect a political solution, and from time to time, they point us all as if we were criminals.

    4. Re:The problem by cliffski · · Score: 1

      Not to mention software. I could try selling tickets for people to watch me coding, but I would not get very far. The only *problem* here is theft. people take stuff that they have not paid for. If it were not for leeches and pirates, people would not have to waste time and effort working on ever stricter DRM. It's like motorists complaining about speed cameras, the solution is just to stick to the speed limit.

      People who advocate the 'free distribution' of anything stored in electronic form, should try running a movie company, start a band, or develop software for a living, to see the other side of the argument. There is NOTHING that prevents anyone reading this from creating digital content, and giving it away free, if they really want to.

      People who run businesses creating digital content do not try and force thsoe who make freeware to charge. people who advocate freeware should not try and force their 'business model' on those who prefer to charge. Most of us have bills to pay and families to feed, and you can't feed people with myspace kudos or slashdot mod points.

      I'd argue the capitalist system is superior to the "everyone should give away theuir content for free" idea, simply because people are forced to allocate praise in a very accureate way, through division of their disposable income. I can post on a forum that band X and Y are great, at no cost, but if they are both selling their album, the one who makes the best album gets my cash (presuming limited funds). Thats the way capitalism sends signals to the market to determine what should be produced. Scrapping this signaling system (by removing money from the equation) totally short circuits the whole system of encouraging the market to produce what is best. We NEED a system that says "more half life, less daikatana" but if the producers have no way of knowing which is best, we are unlikely to get the best results.

      Also, the thing about scracity strikes me as odd. people suddenly trot out this thing about the abolition of scarcity as some sudden argument that means everything should be free, amnd its an evil cartel that will terrorize us. Not true. I have a print of a painting on my wall. Its limited to about 300 I think, and I lvoe it. I have to save up for months to buy it, and it was worth it. It doesn't matter to me that the technology exists to make an unlimited number, the artist in question decided to frame his business around artifical scarcity, and that's up to them. It was their painting, and the way they frame their business model was their decision. If you craete something, it's yours, and you can do what you want with it. At least, you can in a free society.

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    5. Re:The problem by TheRaven64 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      No, the problem is thinking in terms of products, rather than solutions[1]. I'm going to talk about software first for a bit.

      No one ever thinks 'I need some software now.' People think 'I have a problem that needs solving.' That problem might be creating a nicely formatted letter, or managing inventory for a chain of supermarkets. In either case, the thing they are willing to pay for is not the software, it is the solution to the problem. If you are trying to sell them software, you will not get very far, unless you can say 'this software will solve this problem for you.'

      The important distinction here is that the thing of value is not the software itself, but the act of creating (or adapting) the software. Similarly, a copy of a song has little value, but the act of creating it enriches society and has a potentially huge value (depending on the song).

      In the software world, we are fortunate that we have an economic model that deals with this. With the exception of a few well-known companies, most software firms exist by writing bespoke software. They sell the software, but in many cases they sell it as Free Software (i.e. their customer has the right to use, modify, extend and distribute the software). Such a company benefits from Free Software, since it means that they have a lot of tools that they can use to build solutions cheaply for their customers. The community also benefits when they decide to give back improvements that are not part of their core business to the community, rather than just to their customers.

      Unfortunately, the entertainment world does not have this analogue. Actually, that's not entirely true. Artists, by and large, are paid by distributors to produce their work. The distributors are quite canny; they pay for something that has value (the creation of the work) and then sell something that has no, or little, value (the reproductions). What is needed is an economic model that enables artists to be directly compensated for their work. Many artist in history had patrons, who financed their work, and I think a model of distributed patronage would work relatively well. A band might release their first album for free (and Free), and gain a reputation. They might be paid to perform live, and this would help build their reputation more. Once their reputation is solid, they could receive payments from people around the world to create their next album (possibly via some form of escrow, so the money was not released until the album was finished).


      [1] In the '90s there was a trend to simply rename products as solutions, without actually changing what they were or did.

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    6. Re:The problem by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      The problem with DRM is the introduction of scarcity into a scenario where there is no natural scarcity. Current economic models such as communism, socialism, and capitalism exist only to handle the efficient or fair distribution of scarce (limited) resources.

      What you are describing isn't just DRM; it's copyright itself. DRM is just a new twist on it, to try to create scarcity without a government-granted monopoly (although laws like DMCA blur the whole "without government" issue). But the point of both copyright and DRM is to make it so that classical (i.e. non-Star Trek) economic systems can be applied. That's not so much a problem, as it is an attempt at a solution.

      This is NOT the most efficient method of distribution. The most efficient method would collect enough money for farmers to have incentive to grow a bush, but would not prevent the widest distribution of berries possible (everyone who wants one). Plain and simple, no current economic model satisfies perfectly.

      Efficiency is not the goal. "To promote the progress of the useful arts and sciences," is (theoretically) the goal.

      Unless you're going to show a better way to accomplish that goal, complainng about the inefficency is pointless. So... "collect enough money for farmers," you say? I have to ask: collect from whom? I hope you're not suggesting that a portion of my income taxes be sent to Hollywood.

      My problem with DRM isn't that it defies the reality of lack-of-scarcity. My problem is that DRM defies the balance that We The People have chosen in our "solution" to the economic problem. Copyright (before the durations became ridiculously long) was just fine as it was: creators got their monopoly, and the public got that monopoly to be limited so that once the goal of "promoting progress" has been achieved, then the works fall into a situation where natural economic forces are allowed to work (it becomes public domain and the scarcity is eliminated). DRM removes the limitation, making the deal one-sided so that We The People wonder why we should bother granting copyright at all.

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  11. Yawn by Salsaman · · Score: 1

    Somebody wake me up when: a) I can use the (preferrably DRM free) iTunes store on my Linux boxen, and b) I can distribute deCSS legally.

  12. Jobs on DRM by BillGatesLoveChild · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Jobs argument is actually coherent, although the actual points he made was never reported in the Mainstream Moron Media. Jobs argues the biggest failings of DRM is:

    * It doesn't work.
    * It's too easily cracked, and patching the DRM software to stop cracks is a losing battle.
    * The RIAA sell the very same music unprotected on CDs anyway(!!!!!!)

    http://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughtsonmusic/

    Anything that causes Macrovision stock to crash has to be a good thing.

  13. Go fuck yourself by Rix · · Score: 1

    It's just data. No one has any right to tell anyone else what data they may or may not have.

  14. mod parent up by hamelis · · Score: 1

    It's a good explanation of the economics.

  15. maximizing profits by falconwolf · · Score: 1

    the officers in charge of them are more interested in maximizing financial return on the products they sell to the public, by changing the business model from a universal media purchase, to one of individual device rights.

    The problem with this is it does not maximize profits. By requiring people to pay for every item they want to play music or movies on they are discouraging people from buying to begin with. I used to buy a lot of music however I rarely even listen to it now. Lately though I've been thinking of getting a new turntable and reel-to-reel tape deck but I wanted to see if I'd be able to buy new vinyl records, and reels of tape. Now I've found two stores that do sale and will order if they don't carry a record.

    Actually at one of the stores I went through to see what new albums they had and right then and there I was ready to get a turntable because they had an album by Otis Reading which had his song "(Sittin' on) the Dock of the Bay" .

    Falcon
  16. you forgot one by Martix · · Score: 2, Insightful

    even when they sold a DRM infected CD the Beastie Boys the 5 Boroughs for example.

    The lable at the same time released it in 12" vinyl DRM free !!!!!

    Seems silly to have used DRM on the disk in the end.

  17. Why don't they just say it? by The+Bungi · · Score: 1
    DRM is wrong because it places enforcement of copyrights into the hands of the content and distribution owners instead of the people who should be doing it under due process.

    Why don't they just say that? Stupid phrases like "criminalizes the consumer for wanting to use what they have purchased" are besides the point.

  18. What a load of crap by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 1

    The consumer isnt criminalized if they buy the music. When you buy music you but the media, not the content. You dont own the song, you never did. When you buy a CD, you dont get free LPs and cassettes.

    Whether or not piracy is a real economic impact, people are still "booleging" music.

    You people need to stop rewriting history. If any has been criminalized its the rightful owners of the music.

    1. Re:What a load of crap by mvdwege · · Score: 1

      Correction: you don't own the rights to the song, but you bloody well own that particular copy. Go read up on how First Sale is codified in all copyright treaties and legislation around the world.

      How many times do we have to rehash this topic until morons like you get it?

      Mart
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    2. Re:What a load of crap by wilec · · Score: 1

      "When you buy music you but the media, not the content. You dont own the song, you never did. When you buy a CD, you dont get free LPs and cassettes."

      While you do not own the rights to distribute the music you do own that particular copy and your rights extend past the media it is contained upon. You need to read a bit on First Sale and Fair Use.

      Wabi-Sabi
      Matthew

    3. Re:What a load of crap by Orig_Club_Soda · · Score: 1

      And you need to read how they dont apply to digital media.

  19. A few things by palladiate · · Score: 1

    The only *problem* here is theft.

    No. The problem is a loss of demand. Theft occurs when the finite berries are taken. Loss of demand happens when the infinite berries are taken. It's analogous to entering a saturated market- don't expect windfall profits.

    People who advocate the 'free distribution' ... should try running a movie company, ... [t]here is NOTHING that prevents anyone ... giving [content] away free...

    Isn't that exactly the problem as described? If there is no way to model the scarcity, there really is no optimum method of distribution. No one will bother to grow the bush (make labor-intensive content) if they can't figure out a compensation model. And people will notice the bush has infinite berries, and will take a dim view that the creator is guarding what is an infinite resource. Imagine if you had to pay an air tax to breathe under penalty of law. There would be riots and revolution.

    I'd argue the capitalist system is superior to the "everyone should give away theuir (sic) content for free" idea...

    I argued that capitalism doesn't model an infinite resource perfectly, and that it is not incompatible with unlimited distribution. A good example would be to have copyright over movies for say, 2 years. Nearly all movies make most of their profit in the first two years (and offers good incentive to produce content). After which, the movie enters the public domain (enriches the public through unlimited distribution). The next trick would be to find a good point for other mediums.

    ...the abolition of scarcity as some sudden argument that means everything should be free...

    You didn't read what I wrote. At all. My entire point was that the abolition of scarcity can mean that progress will stop. But you aren't taking advanced economics like externalities, so I won't jump your case. It's not like I can fail you.

    The root of the problem is with positive and negative free riders. And every content creator will argue every free rider is negative, as you are. This is not the case. Society will want positive free riders. Creators will want control over all free riders. The former is a much more efficient solution than the latter. Take for instance the Star Wars prequels. Someone OTHER than Lucas could have done a much better job than he did. He got to capture the free rider benefits of his first movies (characters, themes, story, etc). But, by many estimations, he did a poor job. If we had let him compete with others, and had many different versions of the prequels, we would have more total economic benefit, and more people willing to create content. Nothing is stopping someone from seeing more than one version of the prequels. But the current situation does not allow that. Law and DRM prevent novel uses and derivative works, to the detriment of capitalism.

    Scarcity works on more than one dimension, and I think you understand that. That's why if a widget can be infinitely duplicated, it's different than if Van Gogh's Sunflowers can be infinitely duplicated. But then again, Van Gogh died near penniless and unappreciated. It didn't stop him from making many masterpieces whose prints garner my walls. If you want to know more, email me and I can give you a good reading list and some ideas to start.

    1. Re:A few things by Budenny · · Score: 1

      Nice posts. Do you not think this may be the power of open source? It places no limits either on demand or on derivative works. Derivative works and re-use of anything at all is always possible at any stage of any product. Surely, it must in the end outcompete the closed source model?

    2. Re:A few things by cliffski · · Score: 1

      I don't need a reading list on the topic of how markets can and cannot work, I did a degree in Economics thanks :D
      You talk about free riders, and how every market has them. I agree, and it's true that content producers naturally assume the worst when it comes to the effects of free riding. However, what is new is the increible ease with which people can free ride. People on /. sometimes moan that the record companies used to complain about home taping killing music, yet it never did. That's true, but the costs to the free rider of benefiting from home taping (pestering a fiend) have dropped to zero now (just launch emule and click download).

      Also, be aware of your comparisons, I would indeed be upset if someone charged me to breathe, as I will die within 30 seconds without doing so,. I can, however go my whole life without seeing a hollywood movie. Don't try and compare consumption of luxury goods with essentials physical needs.

      I'm not an evil capitalist who supports everything the RIAA do, far from it. I think that copyright is way too powerful, and should certainly expire within 20 years in all cases, and with some areas, probably much sooner. I would like to see a lot more people releasing their copyrights voluntarily too. I released the source to two of my old games years ago, and certainly won't be keeping them closed source for the rest of my life, although indie games tend to have much longer shelf lives than mainstream ones.

      One of my major worries about the extent of piracy on the market, is not so much the fear that all new content will disappear entirely (some will, we have seen 2 big players abandon pc gaming already), but that the free riders become invisible. I basically have two popular games (democracy and kudos) and because I need the cash, I'm probably going to base my next game slightly on the relative sales figures of those 2. It really doesn't matter if x thousand pirates really enjoyed game X, I don't know about it, and didn't get rewarded for it, so there will be no game X 2. It's ultimately in the consumers interest to pay for the entertainment they enjoy, because if they do not do so, they will only get more entertainment of the kind other people enjoy. I notice that slashdot readers love Firefly, but that the show was canned. Cue lots of complaining... but if everyone who raved about the show had actually bought it instead of getting it off bit torrent it would still be going.
      Purchasing entertainment is the best way for the market to receive accurate information on what people want. I recently bought Civ4. I'm sure I could have torrented it, but I'm happy for firaxis to have my money, and I hope they will continue making similar games.

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  20. Yep, lack of due process is what's DRM is about by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    DRM is wrong because it places enforcement of copyrights into the hands of the content and distribution owners instead of the people who should be doing it under due process.

    The framers of the US Constitution thought this was so important, that they put it right into the document. This is one of the few enumerated purposes of Congress, and yet this power has ended up in other hands.

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  21. Congratulations on your degree! by palladiate · · Score: 1
    I hope your degree has allowed you to be gainfully employed.

    Good points, but I want to address Firefly. That was certainly a failure of the market, but not due to piracy. Everyone I know, including my geriatric parents, my wife, and my kid, adore the show. Most everyone bought a copy of the boxed set. However, they only found out after the show was canceled (and a few years at that). That was a failure to capture a market. However, the market wasn't turning to piracy at the time, it was because nobody knew about the show.

    Marketing at Fox is abysmal. The Tick live action show was about the funniest thing I've ever seen. I own it. However, the show was slated to be canceled before the first episode aired, and didn't have any advertising. Piracy didn't kill Family Guy, as it did over 3 times better in the ratings on Adult Swim. That is was a failure at Fox to understand their demographics and viewing habits. After renewing the show a couple of years later, they took a clue from Cartoon Network and managed to capture their market. It's now one of their most popular shows.

  22. Close by palladiate · · Score: 1

    What you are describing isn't just DRM; it's copyright itself.

    Not really. Copyright didn't actually STOP people from stealing from the bush. Government enforcement meant that the guards would occasionally smack someone on the head if they took too many berries, or tried to resell the berries right in front of them. Technically you are right, copyright enforcement was supposed to stop copying like DRM is, however it did not function that way in reality. I'd love to do research on models as we'd like them to happen, not as how they really do happen.

    However you do show a good understanding of why we have copyright (to promote arts). However, the pressures to loot the bush are very, very high, and the crowd is very, very large. If looting the bush required a massive investment such as a printing press circa 1880, then copyright enforcement works fine, and there is not much incentive to loot the bush. However, as the costs to looting come down, there is more incentive to do so.

    And extra credit for realizing "We the People" set the policies that benefit us most. As my favorite professor said years ago, "We are a country, not an economy." If the economic policies we have do not benefit us, then it is our imperative to make those that do. But, I was taught that back before everyone in business school was a Randian Objectivist.

  23. Re:License you need to Read More. by Sloppy · · Score: 1

    An interesting development. But does the lack of DRM really mean that people can buy the music, instead of obtaining it through iTMS contract?

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