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How Will Governments Keep Up With Technology?

Andy Updegrove writes "Governments are beginning to realize that perhaps the Internet really has changed everything, at least for them, and that they are going to have to deal with new responsibilities in this area. How will they deal with financial and medical data breaches? What can they do to ensure that first responders will be able to communicate the next time that terrorists strike in the Homeland, and how will the refugees of the next Katrina be able to access their electronic medical records? And what must governments do to ensure that public records will be available in fifty years, if they no longer maintain paper archives? Whether government should incline towards leading, following or simply getting out of the way is a matter upon which there are likely to be strongly held differences of opinion. It's also likely, though, that government will not have the luxury of opting for the third choice in some of the areas just mentioned. How well government chooses among those roles, and how well it executes when it chooses to lead, will likely have a profound impact on our lives in the years ahead."

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  1. Easy by fatduck · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is the government, right? They can just ask Jesus.

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    1. Re:Easy by FyRE666 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They should just stay the hell out of it. Every time a government gets involved in anything they just end up screwing it up and making it an expensive, bloated mess. Lets face it governments are made up of people who'd probably be completely unemployable anywhere else, so why should anyone listen to their "ideas" about the 'net. The 'net has grown nicely without government meddling; why not leave it that way?

    2. Re:Easy by Redlazer · · Score: 4, Insightful
      I agree 100%.


      Whenever you may find yourself asking "Maybe the government should be doing this?" the answer is almost ALWAYS "no."

      It would be like giving a nine year old a company to run. He has no understanding of it, and is most likely totally incapable of learning about it, so instead will apply stupid rules when things go wrong.

      The government is evil. Always.

      -Red

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    3. Re:Easy by Watson+Ladd · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Easy for you to say in the comfort of your well-policed neighborhood, where everyone has a somewhat safe job and no one dies from smallpox, over the internet, with a bank account that won't vanish overnight. Or do you live in Somalia?

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  2. Two Words: Very Poorly. by httpamphibio.us · · Score: 2, Insightful

    That's it...

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  3. Ham's by jshriverWVU · · Score: 2, Informative

    Amateur radio is a great backup system when all else fails in the arena of communication.

    1. Re:Ham's by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Informative

      That depends on what's failed. Amateur radio has significantly greater range (two or three orders of magnitude with inexpensive equipment) than cellular. Cell towers already have battery backup, and some have generator backup. IIRC, phone companies also have mobile power units as well as mobile cell towers with generators.

      Also, Amateur radio nets can function as a kid of "chat room" for emergency responders and volunteers. Issues that might get ignored through normal channels can be addressed by volunteers.

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    2. Re:Ham's by paeanblack · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Wouldn't it be better just to ensure that emergency cell towers were put in place? It seems like more responders have access to cell technology rather than amateur radio, and cutting out the middleman of having to relay messages through an operator would help things out.

      Your challenge, should you choose to accept it:

      Design an emergency cell tower that will survive a hurricane/tornado/tsunami/etc and will get approved by the zoning board, city beautification commission, and the historical society.

      Stuff breaks. When stuff is breaking on a large scale, you usually need emergency communications. Cell towers are not reliable.

    3. Re:Ham's by SatanicPuppy · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'd probably use a blimp or some such. The government can afford to put together a handful of them for just this sort of emergency, and you could get more by offering companies that manage blimps for advertising, etc, tax incentives to make their blimps capable of supporting the mobile tower infrastructure...Talk about some people who'd be happy to see the Goodyear blimp.

      Building emergency towers on the ground is hugely foolish. You would never be able to guarantee power, never be able to guarantee that your switching infrastructure is not going to be submerged, and never be able to guarantee that some rich bastards yacht isn't going to get storm surged 12 miles inland, and knock over your "secure" tower.

      Anyway, it'd be a hell of a lot cheaper to build a few mobile ones, if only because you'd only need a handful, and they could be anywhere. Otherwise, you'd have to put 'em up everywhere, because you'd never know in advance where you were going to need 'em.

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    4. Re:Ham's by azrider · · Score: 2, Informative
      Some insight on Amateur Radio from a 20-year licensee. Ham operators tend to specialize (mine is disaster management). While it is nice to wish for a cell tower wherever it is needed in an emergency, it is extremely impractical. By contrast, I and my other Emergency Coordinators can set up a world wide radio net with batteries (or solar). Google for "ARRL" and "Field Day" - we do this at least once a year, every year. Google for "NDMS" (National Disaster Medical System) - we are intimately involved in each biannual drill. Ask many of the national charities who sponsor walks, bike rides etc. - we provide radio communications for each. Note that all of the operators are not paid for their time or expertise - we do this in payment for the spectrum we have been provided under FCC rules, intended for experimentation and furtherance of the art. We, however, do not function as a kind of "chat room" - we in ARES and RACES (more google fodder) see what we do as a serious undertaking, one in which we spend thousands of $(your currency here) as a hobby. When the tsunami hit in the Phillipines, the first communications out was a team of ham operators who happened to be there testing long range communications. They stayed until relieved, relying on the equipment they had brought to tell the world what was happening (and pass on as many messages as they could). This was not a government (or NGO) funded operation, nor was it done with the availability of outside power. It was right place-right time. How can any government or company hope to be there with power and radio if the event is a suprise.
      Cell towers already have battery backup, and some have generator backup.
      This is true, but if the cell tower has no connection to the outside world, what good does this do?

      IIRC, phone companies also have mobile power units as well as mobile cell towers with generators.
      Again true, but they have to be able to connect to the PSTN in order for the CoW (Cell on Wheels) to function
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  4. Existence of government by darjen · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Along with this explosion of information, I wonder how governments will be able to maintain their collective grips on society as a whole. Never before has access to anti-government information been so readily available. Maybe they will have to rely on ever more draconian measures to maintain the status quo - but I hope not.

  5. Keep up? by Notquitecajun · · Score: 2, Interesting

    You have to be current to keep up. Last I checked, we weren't current.

    A funny addendum; our military is - from a technology standpoint - the best in the world...and that technology mostly ranges from the early 70s until about 2002. The recently retired F-15, which was developed in the 70s and 80s, hardly had a match in the world and I believe was never shot down (at least by enemy aircraft)...and would still punch everything else out of the sky except other American aircraft and maybe a modern MIG with a really good pilot.

    1. Re:Keep up? by mikew03 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The F-15 has not been retired, but the F-22 will be slowly replacing it over the next decade or two. And you are correct, no F-15 has ever been lost to enemy action in its entire 30+ year service life.

    2. Re:Keep up? by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is generally true of big equipment. There aren't a whole lot of economies that can support development of a competitive fighter jet and then build it in quantity, along with all of the other support industries a project like that needs.

      For technologies that are closer to commodities the US military doesn't do so well. Currently they seem to be compensating by relaxing the rules on non-issue gear. When I was an active duty Marine (discharged in 1996) you could maybe get away with wearing non-issue clothing, a knife, small stuff like that. I remember my father being amazed when I asked him to send me sunglasses because had he been caught wearing a pair of civilian sunglasses (in the 60s) someone would have made him eat them. But I was recently in Afghanistan with a private defense contractor and I saw a US Army soldier with a TA01NSN sight on his rifle. When I asked him when they started issuing those he told me he ordered it from the states. Had I modified my rifle, even as recently as I was in, I'd have had my ass kicked up into a hat.

      Having worked for a couple of different private defense contractors I can tell you that getting miscellaneous stuff you need is a hell of a lot more streamlined than in the military. UPS next day is much faster than procurement.

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  6. Accountability by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Technology requires new levels of accountability from government. The words that every politician dreads to hear... Open Government.

    It's no longer acceptable or possible to hide inconvenient facts and delete damning emails. And the same Big Brother surveillance machine that governments are so enthusiastically creating is going to be watching them too. We will know when they meet in smokey backroom dealings, when they visit their prostitutes, who *exactly* issued an order that resulted in the deaths of innocents.

    Hopefully the burden of responsibility it puts on the shoulders of elected representatives will be so high that it weeds out those who are mere power hungry psychopaths.

  7. It's a series of tubes, it's not a truck! by pickapeppa · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Well in the US, it would be helpful to have legislators at least somewhat familiar with the underlying technology of the things they are legislating. That may not happen until some younger blood gets elected. Old men in suits may have plenty of gravitas, but have their assistants print off their e-mails every day. It's another example of what gets you elected is often at odds with what is required to govern.

  8. It can't. by Baba+Ram+Dass · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Government can hardly deliver my mail intact (USPS), competently educate my children (public schools), take care of my grandparent's health (Medicare), or ensure my retirement (the ridiculous failure that is Social Security).

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  9. please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Please, PLEASE stop using the word "Homeland" - I'm not a Nazi or a Stalinist, and I can't stand members of Government or just fellow citizens talking like same - with the Mother/Father/Home-land bullshit.

    'Domestic' is a perfectly adequate adjective for describing things within the national boundaries of the United States. We're a young republic comprised of successive waves of immigrants - jingoistic vocab attached to the dirt, of all things, has no place here . . .

    -Nate

    1. Re:please don't say 'Homeland' . . . by Knara · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Agreed. The whole 'Homeland' thing is really unnerving. From my viewpoint, the last thing this country needs is more nationalistic fervor. We already have too much of it being relabeled as "patriotism" (though that's been going on for a couple of centuries, but still).

  10. Re: technical standards by neutrino38 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    MMmm vast topic.

    In the '90 governements were heavily involved in IT standardization though national comitees like ISO and so on. A big chunk of this disapeared although some standard comitees made significant contributions (ATM Forum, GSM by ETSI, ...).

    I agree with the author : we do need technical standards. But my own experience tend to make that standard making should be left to these tech commitees and I believe that a good government cannot lead but should keep looking into these matter with a certain conservatism, sane skepticism and an high level view and stick to the general guidelines like:

    - are the various systems compatible with each other
    - is the privacy properly protected
    - are the performances and market price acceptables in regards with the service offered
    - is the information accessible and storable.

    and also:

    - look at format issue only if it is in General public interest
    - look at network protocol only for lower level layers

    Then only when a stabdard is pretty stable, proven and sufficiently implemented can a goverment endorse it.

    To me, the interoperability issue is really key and any governement should take action to make sure the industry take the necessary action to avoid standard fragmentation when the market is mature enough (not in the early stage). Namely bitching MS because its technology is not open enough is ridiculous. It would be far more interesting to force MS to support existing stable standards (MPEG4, HTML/CSS, ODF, ...).

    Properly meaning that those format and protocol should be used as easily as their proprieatary counterparts.

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  11. Re:Very Easy by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    "and how will the refugees of the next Katrina be able to access their electronic medical records? "

    Hell, why not worry how the CURRENT victims of Katrina will access their medical records. I pretty much have none. Not a problem in my case, but, those that needed meds and all still have a hell of a time...

    I think it will be interesting in the next catastrophy, to see what the US's reaction will be...especially if it is in another part of the US. If the next big hurricane hits NYC (which IS overdue for a major storm), or San Fran. gets creamed by an earthquake...will the gov response be any better? Will any of the money pledged actually get to the state? Very little of it has actually made it to LA even yet. And what little has, is held up by the state having to deal with the severe red tape attached to the funds by the Feds.

    A recent report on the radio here said that out of about $840M donated by foreign countries to help the victims of Katrina...only about $40M of it was sent to the gulf south region. The rest...was funneled to other govt. programs or lost I guess.

    I think it will be interesting to see if the next city that gets f*cked by mother nature, gets the same sub-par treatment from the govt as NOLA did. 2 years past and the neighborhoods that were decimated, not by a hurricane, but, by the US govt.'s levee system's failure due to poor worksmanship, poor engineering and it appears now, downright criminal negligance.....they still look like a bomb went off, and we hear daily the the Corps of Engineers is still cutting corners and fscking up the rebuild of the pumps and levees.

    Ok...*sigh* [/soapbox mode]

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  12. This is funny. by CherniyVolk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Governments catching up with technology? Seriously, there's a lot of people who believe technology only originates or is engineered in someones garage, in the openness of acadamia, universities and research labs of major corporations.

    First, Research and Development is akin to flushing money down the toilet; because it's not like an assembly line where you can accurately project shipped product at the end of the day. With Research and Development, you can go for decades and still have NOTHING. Keep this in mind, because the reality is, even Microsoft can't even afford a sustained and honest Research and Development lab. The ONLY people that have the TECHNOLOGY, AUTHORITY and WEALTH to handle such research is the GOVERNMENT. IF a company, university or individual presents something from research, 99.9% of the time that person was heavily funded by a GOVERNMENT entity; via contract or most commonly a federal grant.

    Governments DO have all the technology. Without fueling the conspiracy theorist, yes, governments tend to have applied technology or even awareness of algorithms, methods, theories even before acadamia has such benefit; tons of cryptography, physics and organic chemistry for example.

    MOST if not ALL technology is developed with ONE interest in mind. Military, and if it can give us an advantage. Ironically, this always boils down to a more efficient way of killing another man. We don't like this part of life, but military often does have fun with technology long before anyone else.

    I'm sorry if I'm getting a little over-zealous. It just kills me knowing that there are many people who think the government is the bane of technology while corporations are were it all comes from. Minus federal funding or incentive, corporations ever since the East Indian Trading Company probably can soley account to ONE invention... and we can probably think real hard for that and probably debate this invention... stocks. That's IT! A socio-path CEO to some Company didn't voluntarily give his entire fortune for the sake of good-will and to fund research in making adhesives, anethetics, plastic, space travel, computers, guns, aspirin, paper, jet engines... or even a damn fiber glass fishing pole!

    Companies wait for the government to de-classify technology, and shift through it looking for something that they feel they can market to the general public. Who do you think was behind developing the optical mouse... or, more specifically, who do you think has been behind 100% of all LASER research and application?

    1. Re:This is funny. by That's+Unpossible! · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Seriously, there's a lot of people who believe technology only originates or is engineered in someones garage

      That's because it is. Apple. HP. Yahoo. Google. I could go on all day here, but the idea that the government is the source of most new products is an insultingly stupid idea.

      Even if it were anywhere close to the end-all be-all that you describe, it's an absolutely abysmal return on [forced] investment. Imagine what kind of cool stuff we'd have today if I could [voluntarily] help fund more research by the Apples and Googles of the world by giving them more of my money not spent on taxes.

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    2. Re:This is funny. by dkf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Keep this in mind, because the reality is, even Microsoft can't even afford a sustained and honest Research and Development lab.
      But the reality is you're wrong. Firstly, MS do keep a highly regarded research lab, and they'd not be highly regarded if they weren't sustained and honest. Secondly, there are much bigger companies than MS who also have excellent research labs. Sure it's true that such labs are often involved in research projects funded by governments (everyone always loves external funding, wherever you are) but their main work is in doing things to support their owner, which is as it should be. But the largest fraction of this is actually Development, which means the part of the process where they take the outcome of the Research (a neat theory or cool effect) and convert it into a product that can support part of the business model of the rest of the corporation (possibly by being sold on to someone else).
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  13. Cell Towers NOT EQUAL Cellular Network by Mariner28 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Cell towers are just the tip of the iceberg. If the central switching infrastructure is down, your cell towers are just boat anchors. Or if the infrastructure is overwhelmed with traffic. Or if your cell towers batteries run down. Or your cell towers' emergency generators which charge the batteries run out of fuel.

    When all else fails, amateur radio still works. Yeah, it's slow when running data (like Winlink e-mail). But power requirements are low. And there's no infrastructure to rely on - unless the attacking aliens ionize the atmosphere to such a degree that even radio won't work!

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  14. the national archives by DrData99 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While it is very easy to take cheap shots at what the government can and can't do, the National Archives and Records Administration (http://www.archives.gov/) is taking a very proactive approach towards dealing with the long-term electronic records problem. NARA employs some of the most dedicated and highly trained archivists in the country, and this is one area where the government will probably lead.

  15. Re:Very Easy by paeanblack · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think it will be interesting to see if the next city that gets f*cked by mother nature, gets the same sub-par treatment from the govt as NOLA did. 2 years past and the neighborhoods that were decimated, not by a hurricane, but, by the US govt.'s levee system's failure due to poor worksmanship, poor engineering and it appears now, downright criminal negligance.....they still look like a bomb went off, and we hear daily the the Corps of Engineers is still cutting corners and fscking up the rebuild of the pumps and levees.

    What about the Louisiana Corp of Engineers? What about the New Orleans Corp of Engineers? Doesn't a city get to a point where they realize after decades of inattention to those levees from the Feds, they have to step up to bat and deal with local problems on a local scale? Every big city has unique problems, and sitting and waiting for the cavalry to arrive after the fact isn't the most efficient way of actually getting things accomplished. ...end rant

  16. Ah.. disappointing.. by Maekrix · · Score: 2, Funny

    When I clicked the link I thought it said "Wii Government". I got excited and thought Nintendo bought a country... :-/

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  17. Re:This isn't funny. by sane? · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Boy are you ever wrong. Military systems are often decades behind commercial products. The complexity of getting anything from government labs to fielded systems is so poor that its a wonder you ever see any output. The reason you see new concepts moving from government labs to commercial exploitation is because that's easier than military exploitation.

    The funding of short term research by commercial interests is many times that of the military domain. What used to be better was long term research, but that has essentially been killed off to fund the wars we've been having. Don't hold your breath for much of the long term nature coming out of government funding in future.

  18. Why is government the answer? by k1e0x · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "Governments are beginning to realize that perhaps the Internet really has changed everything, at least for them, and that they are going to have to deal with new responsibilities in this area. How will they deal with financial and medical data breaches? What can they do to ensure that first responders will be able to communicate the next time that terrorists strike in the Homeland, and how will the refugees of the next Katrina be able to access their electronic medical records? And what must governments do to ensure that public records will be available in fifty years, if they no longer maintain paper archives? Whether government should incline towards leading, following or simply getting out of the way is a matter upon which there are likely to be strongly held differences of opinion. It's also likely, though, that government will not have the luxury of opting for the third choice in some of the areas just mentioned. How well government chooses among those roles, and how well it executes when it chooses to lead, will likely have a profound impact on our lives in the years ahead." Why is government always the answer to any problem anymore? The internet is much like the printing press.. are we to controll what people are able to read too?

    I say internet regulation is not governments job.
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  19. The Death of Belief in Public Institutions by weston · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Government can hardly deliver my mail intact (USPS), competently educate my children (public schools), take care of my grandparent's health (Medicare), ensure my retirement (the ridiculous failure that is Social Security).

    I'm as down as the next guy about the state of health care coverage in the U.S., the problems both public and private pension systems are facing, and I probably have a better understanding than most about the problems of education having actually been in the classroom as a teacher. Every one of these institutions could use significant improvement.

    But first off -- c'mon, USPS? How often *does* the gubmint lose or mangle your mail? I've had more negative encounters on that front with the private shippers (UPS and FedEx, I'm looking at you), and the number of things I've sent or received by US Mail is orders of magnitude larger.

    And second of all, I think the standard "Government Can't Do Nothin' Right" rant is actually one of the most dangerous ideas floating around our society today. It is, plain and simple, completely corrosive to the ability to build effective public institutions. Somehow, we the people have gotten to the point where we *accept* the argument that it's OK for the Feds to turn in a D- performance when it comes to disaster relief -- because hey, government's never effective, so it's never their job. And we readily elect people who loudly vocalize the idea that there's no such thing as an effective public solution.

    Why are we surprised that we don't have them? We're hiring vegetarian butchers to package and deliver the meat, folks.

    You don't have to accept the idea that public institutions are the answer to everything. Markets are great tools, if you understand them rather than treating them as a panacea. Private non-profits can do a significant amount of good. Churches do too. And in general, healthy social communities just make everything better.

    But everything in its place. Sometimes the right tool for the job is, in fact, a public institution. Sometimes, if you actually want to stablish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty, what you're looking for is a government.

    We need to stop assuming government can't do anything. We need to start asking how it can do better -- what can make public institutions run effectively.

  20. Re:Very Easy by kabocox · · Score: 3, Funny

    A recent report on the radio here said that out of about $840M donated by foreign countries to help the victims of Katrina...only about $40M of it was sent to the gulf south region. The rest...was funneled to other govt. programs or lost I guess.

    So does that mean the US is now offically a third world country where foreign aid is channeled from aid to poor people/refugees to those with government connections to their overpriced pet projects?

  21. Hopefully, they won't by MrNougat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If govt's are now, in 2007, just beginning to realize that they should try to keep up with technology, they're about twenty years too late. I say that's a good thing.

    Governments have always had their caches of data, dossiers on various people, classified documents. They've had systems (whether they be electronic or not) to manage that data. The citizenry, historically, has not had the ability to collect, distribute, or parse data on the scale that governments have.

    Yes, governments can control populations with brute force, but it's much more effective to control populations with information - through misrepresentation, repetition, omission, incorrect weighting, and selective release. Populations have not been able to organize well against these kinds of propaganda strategies. Until now.

    The world-girdling information network is maturing to the point where regular people have access to information that they would otherwise not have. Sources are becoming known as being more or less trustworthy. Some individuals are finding a space on the national and world stage, even if that space is in their niche area.

    I pray that governments continue to stay behind the technology curve. Take away my Second Amendment rights all you want; you'll have to pry the internet from my cold dead hands.

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  22. Re:Right answer by alienmole · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Arpanet succeeded because of the involvement of universities, which most government technology projects don't have the benefit of. Perhaps I should have mentioned that option as a possible fix: governments and universities collaborating on multi-hundred-million-dollar technology projects, what could go wrong?

  23. Re:This isn't funny. by TFloore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Boy are you ever wrong.

    Both of you, really. Or, at least, you are talking about different things, and your comments about each other's topics are incorrect because you are not talking about the same things.

    Military systems are often decades behind commercial products.

    There is a reason for this. Logistics. Supply. Lifecycle support. The military buys systems and uses them for 20, 30, or more years. The US Air Force is flying B-52 bombers built in the 1950s, and plans to keep flying them into the 2030s. Well, the airframes, at least. Most of the guts, plus engines, will be replaced several times over that time frame, but the point is still valid.

    The F-22 that the Air Force is starting to have delivery of, started its R&D cycle in the mid 1980s. It is now the most advanced military aircraft in the world. (And the most expensive.) The US Air Force will probably still be flying the F-22 in the 2040s.

    The military buys for the long term. You don't go from the lab straight to 30-year-useful-life product.

    The reason you see new concepts moving from government labs to commercial exploitation is because that's easier than military exploitation.

    That's not the job of government. The government is not supposed to compete with the private sector in making and selling products. The government funds/performs basic research, until it gets to the development stage. Then it transfers that development effort to the private sector, and possibly partially funds the development effort. (A lot of drug research works this way. Basic research by the government, product development by Big Pharma.) This is actually good (much as I complain about Big Pharma), because in general the government is not efficient or responsive at making products.

    funding of short term research

    Oxymoron. Short term research is not research, it is development. More specifically, it is called product development. Research is basic and long term. See my above paragraph.

    by commercial interests is many times that of the military domain

    which is as it is supposed to be. The military funds product development of products directly of interest to the military. That is a small subset of the economy, and so is a small subset of total product development efforts and funding.

    What used to be better was long term research

    Agreed, government funding of basic research as a percentage of total government budget used to be higher, but it isn't gone, and it really isn't shrinking that fast. The major problem is that politicians are becoming a lot more like CEOs, and want to see something come out of the research efforts. Now. (Or, more specifically, during their term in office.) Not 30 years from now. They are trying to run research projects like they are development efforts, and are frustrating a lot of scientists and screwing up a lot of research efforts.

    to fund the wars we've been having

    Off topic rant.

    The war in Afghanistan took a few months, and cost $25 billion dollars. It was a military victory. The war in Iraq took 3 weeks and cost less than $60 billion dollars. It was a military victory. (Warning, both dollar values pulled out of my a$$.) Past the first few months in Afghanistan, and the first month in Iraq, we've had police actions. Stupid. Costly. Unwinnable. Install a puppet dictator, and get the hell out. Dammit, I used to be a good Republican.

    But even so, they haven't cost that much in terms of the entire government budget. All of DOD including the fake "emergency" funding is less that is spent on entitlement programs (Social Security, Medicare, etc). Though it is getting close to crossing that line. Scary. (After 4 years there, it is not an emergency any more. It is planned spending.)

    Wow, I'm getting cynical lately.

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