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60-Day Reprieve For Internet Royalty Rate Hike

Chickan writes "The Copyright Royalty Board has officially posted its ruling on Internet royalty rates in the Federal Register. However, the organization has pushed back the due date for royalty payments to kick in from May 15 to July 15. The publication of this information also begins the official 30-day period for appeals. NPR is slated to file an appeal in this timeframe."

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  1. The Rich get richer... by Mockylock · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If the appeal doesn't take hold, all the little guys will be forced out and the majority of stations will play NOT ONLY tons of advertisements, but also only popular music that brings mainstream listeners.

    If they base it on PROFIT gained by advertisements, rather than per song, per user... it will GREATLY improve the chances of smaller bands to be recognized. The only people benefitting are those grabbing the cash, and the already popular musicians and stations... the little guy will get pushed out.

    The majority of stations online aren't even making a lot of money, rather than entertaining a specific genre of music.

    Please, write your senators.

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    1. Re:The Rich get richer... by bishiraver · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Dude, I've purchased more music since listening to Pandora than I had in the previous four years. I've found some really interesting off-the-wall/radar artists with their service, and have spent approximately $130 in iTunes and amazon (via the pandora affiliate links so they get some c-c-c-cash) on their albums in the past 8 months. The RIAA gets their money, maybe, but I want my music. It's anecdotal, but it proves a certain point: internet radio helps people find obscure music; obscure but good music drives sales; sales make more money. In the long run, it will only be good for the music industry: too bad the RIAA is looking out for the suits who want to bolster the status quo this quarter instead of looking to what will make profits rain down six quarters or six years from now. Mainly because they're smelly old men who are only going to live for a few more years anyways, so who cares about future profits? GIMME MY LEAR JET NOW!

    2. Re:The Rich get richer... by Mockylock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The only reason I'm really concerned is that my friend actually runs a radio station that promotes local and upcoming bands. They send in music to them, they play NO profit gaining advertisements and send all of their extra CD's and gathered donations (posters, pictures, etc) to the troops.

      They ALSO have an air radio station that's low wattage that runs the same music around Pittsburgh.

      Now, if this appeal doesn't stop them.. My friend will have to pay an unGodly amount of money per month EVEN for music that was given to them by the bands. But, in order for people to even listen to the new bands, you have to play well-known music as well.
      At this point, he'll have to shut it down completely. $500 minimum charge per year is more than enough to hurt someone who's paying for the broadband and electric anyway. What good can come of this? They can't charge air-wave radio stations because they don't know how many listen to it.. so, they GIVE them music to promote songs as long as they play them X amount of times.. and it has to be logged.
      They're getting away with EVERYTHING they can.

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  2. The retroactive part by i_should_be_working · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This whole thing is disgusting.

    But I have a question about the retroactive part. It seems that not only will stations have to pay more in the future, but they have to pay more for the past year or so. How is that legal? Also, does anyone know how it would be enforced? If a station just shuts down and doesn't pay for the past year, then what?

    1. Re:The retroactive part by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 4, Funny

      If a station just shuts down and doesn't pay for the past year, then what?
      That's when the RIAA hop into their souped-up DeLorean, zip back into the past, and make sure your parents never met.
  3. internet radio by elmCitySlim · · Score: 4, Informative

    I work at a volunteer run radio station in CT. One of our DJs also runs an internet radio station with several volunteer DJs as well. He has to shut down due to this rate hike. He said it went from about 700 dollars a year to 15g a year.

  4. Or... by bigtomrodney · · Score: 4, Funny

    ....61 days for those of you using the modern Gregorian Calender.

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  5. Voice your unhappiness! by u-bend · · Score: 4, Informative

    Go here to protest this bullcrap.

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    1. Re:Voice your unhappiness! by Otter · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I'm constantly posting here to explain why copyrights and patents are vital for continued innovation and creativity, and why you "Music and movies suck so that's why I have to steal them!" people are idiots. And I wrote to my representatives the minute Pandora sent me the above link. All the music I've purchased over the last few years is stuff I've learned about from Pandora, Live365 and Garageband, and keeping it legal is what allows me to talk down to you whiny thieves.

      If you don't take action on this, you've forfeited your right to ever post moronic "Teh RIAA is suing teh singal mothers!" comments again.

    2. Re:Voice your unhappiness! by acherusia · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Damnit. I'm forfeiting mod points to respond, but you hit a major pet peeve of mine there.

      You do not get to define the terms of a debate. You do not get to say "If you do not take a particular action that I like you to take, you have lost the ability to debate this without being a flaming hypocrite." You can also lay off the self-aggrandizing holier-than-thou soapboxing, but I don't really care about that.

        I'm probably not going to contact my representative on this issue. I may, because I think this is as much bullshit as everyone else, but frankly I have so much shit going on in my life right now that I just have absolutely no desire to do so. On the other hand, I decided years ago that I wouldn't give the RIAA or the MPAA a single cent, nor would I give them mindshare by pirating. I'm not going to say I've never broken that, but only twice. (It helps that I prefer books and videogames to music and movies.) And you're saying that if I don't take a single action you think I should take I lose the right to bitch about the RIAA? Um. No.

      Personally, I'm also not convinced that patents and copywrites are entirely vital to creativity, but that's another debate entirely.

  6. Turnabout is fair play by UbuntuDupe · · Score: 5, Funny

    How about instead of rejecting the eventual return of royalties, we "support it", but keep extending the future date when they are supposed to start applying?

    You know, like Disney always seems to manage with copyright expiration.

    1. Re:Turnabout is fair play by SupermanX · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, I think you have the right idea...
      However THIS is what I would suggest.

      Require RADIO to pay these fees as well, and remove any option for a negotiated deal with individual studios. Make everyone pay the same fees...

      Terrestrial Radio has a much bigger lobby, and if they had to pay similar fees, they would fight this every step of the way. This would force the established media to fight for the rights of the new media... because they have been lumped together.

  7. You know what I'd like to see... by Dorkmaster+Flek · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Can't Internet radio stations just simply refuse to play RIAA music then? This would be great. We'd get stations full of independent artists and labels. I want to see billboard music disappear with what they're doing. They're trying to cripple and control the Internet instead of working with it. They need to learn that this will only lead to their downfall.

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    1. Re:You know what I'd like to see... by SeekerDarksteel · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unfortunately due to the wonder of the compulsory license, that is not an option unless you individually contact every copyright holder and make a deal. This is because the RIAA (or SoundExchange to be more specific) has been given the (questionablly) legal right to collect royalties on any song played on internet radio if the broadcaster does not already have a deal with the copyright holder. Artists then have to contact SoundExchange and pay them an "administrative" fee to collect the royalties conveniently collected by SoundExchange on their behalf. And because the license is compulsory, artists cannot "opt out." So unfortunately, unless someone bands together a large number of independent musicians into a single organization to deal with copyrights, independent music is not a way to get around this steaming pile of bullshit.

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    2. Re:You know what I'd like to see... by Gonarat · · Score: 2, Interesting

      This may be a dumb question, but could independent "label" sites such as CD Baby or DMusic (home of boycott-riaa.com, not to be confused with Emusic) set up an easy way to allow internet radio stations to play music from their artists at a better price? It would be a pain in the ass to have to contact every band or singer that you want to play on your internet radio station, but being able to play any group from say CD Baby and pay them directly would be doable. The site could even create weekly or monthly play lists of songs that are approved if they wanted to give their Artists the option to allow or not allow their songs on internet radio at the site rate.

      If this is legal and practical, then it seems like the Independent Musician could flourish while the RIAA can have all the control over their crap that they want. I would love to see the RIAA (and SoundExchange) suffer due to their greed and miserly ways, but not at the expense of the real Musicians.

      How about it CD Baby, DMusic (and others)? Is this a legal option?

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  8. Here's hoping! by Jugalator · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I really, really hope the Internet Radio Equality Act will go through ASAP for this, or it'll likely become a devastating blow to most serious Internet radio stations out there. :-/

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  9. Re:Obligatory Simpson's Reference by Dr.+Eggman · · Score: 2, Informative

    Coln. Mustard in the kitchen with the revolver.

    In other news, Congress continues to sluggishly review sluggishly review H.R.2060: Internet Radio Equality Act. If you write a senator (or actually, house member) perhaps one should mention support for this.

    While your writing, put in a bad word about this one. Colleges don't need to be wasting time and money trying to stop software piracy on campuse. Oh, and maybe this one, too.

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  10. Everything old is new again... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Local DJ-driven radio is all but dead at this point anyway. The idea of using radio to actually engage listeners, as opposed to playing a rather fixed set list of "hits", is something most stations have given up on. Up here, the Detroit NPR affiliate, WDET, went so far as to eliminate most of its music programming (including the phenomenal Alternate Take, hosted by Liz Copeland, and some legendary jazz shows that have been staples for that community) in favor of becoming a clone of another NPR affiliate that we already receive in the same area.

    Radio and the larger music labels have given up their role as taste-makers in lieu of pandering to more conservative audience taste. A local DJ can afford to challenge you. A large multi-station enterprise has little choice but to play it safe. Even the satellite radio stations have woefully "safe" playlists, for all the chatter about endless choice.

    I dare say most people reading slashdot gave up on the idea of finding new music on the radio a while ago - and the rest of the public is only half a step behind. The unfortunate consequence will be the larger record labels and the multi-station radio networks are going to fight technology tooth and nail for a fight they already gave up on twenty years ago.

    Payola used to be a scandal. Now it's merely a business model.

  11. It's not just royalties. by fuego451 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Pandora is being forced to block non-US listeners.

    From the article:

    Pandora.com, a popular streaming music recommendation service (which is already facing some challenges due to the new webcaster rates) is being forced to block all non-US users of its service. This is because the recording industry wants Pandora to sign separate licensing deals in every country where it has listeners -- a nearly impossible task.

    You have to wonder how much longer the RIAA will get away with its ignorance and greed.

  12. An alternate solution? by Rob+T+Firefly · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe I'm nutty, but would it be possible for an Internet broadcaster to switch to some sort of submission-based format? In that way, artists can submit their own work to the station. Through this process they'd not only hook their submissions to the info on where to send the royalty check (bypassing the RIAA/Soundexchange scam) but also agree to some actually sane royalty rate, terms-of-service style. On an Internet where MySpace, MP3.com, and the like are full of people who are already putting tracks out there for free, where countless bands with their own actual websites are paying hosting fees out of their pockets to put their free downloads out there, and where most of these people would love the chance to get themselves heard on popular Internet radio stations, it seems to me a broadcaster could build up a respectable playlist in this manner.

  13. Why should I lobby in favor of the RIAA's clients? by jbn-o · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The corporate studios don't sign that many artists and (according to a Chicago Tribune article I read some years ago) a lot of the artists they sign are indebted to the label for many albums. So long before the listener gets any chance to hear the artist, the label has them under their thumb. The RIAA's legal antics against listeners (often bringing cases before researching evidence against them) is covered here on /.. I'm left to wonder why I should write anyone in support of making it easier to help these labels by making it more likely that their music will be played.

    I'm left to think that we should let them raise the rates as high as they think the market will bear. I'd rather work with artists who license their recordings to me so that I may non-commercially share them verbatim with others in any medium. I stopped listening to radio (online and over the air) because what I was hearing is only the "popular music that brings mainstream listeners" (in other words, as far as I can hear that's what they're playing now before any new fee schedule). This is not what I want to hear. Often the online stations I heard were merely retransmissions of what was being played over the air.

    Contrary to what FreePress.net is claiming in their emails, I don't believe this means the end of Internet radio. I think it means the end of RIAA tracks on Internet radio and it opens the way for unsigned artists and tracks from labels that don't screw the artist (like Magnatune).

  14. Re:Why should I lobby in favor of the RIAA's clien by multisync · · Score: 2, Informative

    You are not being asked to lobby in favour of just "the RIAA's clients." The "performance royalty" is collected for all songs played, regardless of whether the artist is signed with an RIAA-affiliated label or not. An Internet broadcaster's choice is to either pay royalties at the rates prescribed by the CRB to SoundExchange for each song played times the number of listeners, or to negotiate separate deals with the copyright holder of every song they play.

    The rates are so onerous that they threated to make Internet radio unprofitable, and therefore only an option to big companies and terrestrial stations (who don't pay the "performance royalty" for their over-the-air broadcasts, btw) who have other income sources to subsidize the losses they will inevitably suffer from their Internet broadcasts.

    So these rates threaten to put out of business the same Internet radio stations who would be likely to play those independent artists you (and a lot of others) enjoy supporting, further entrenching the RIAA-controlled stations and giving listeners fewer choices.

    Bill Goldsmith of RadioParadise has a lot of material and links on his site detailing how the rates are applied and what they mean to independent, listener-supported, commercial-free stations like his.

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  15. Re:Why should I lobby in favor of the RIAA's clien by gclef · · Score: 2, Informative

    You really don't understand what SoundScan is. It's not RIAA music that's covered by SoundScan. It's *ALL* music. SoundScan is being set up to handle the royalties from a *compulsory* license for music. It doesn't matter if you don't want to be covered by SoundScan. It doesn't matter if you signed up to a major label deal. Your music, if it's covered by copyright in the US, will have its royalties handled by SoundScan.

    That's why I find all the complaining about the RIAA in these threads kinda silly: it'll make no difference if you listen to indie music only. It'll make no difference in the prices the stations play if they shift to entirely indie music. *Everything* is covered by SoundScan for US businesses (or companies doing business in the US).