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Canadian Coins Not Nano-Tech Espionage Devices
Necrotica writes "An odd-looking Canadian coin with a bright red flower was the culprit behind the U.S. Defence Department's false espionage warning earlier this year.
The odd-looking — but harmless — "poppy coin" was so unfamiliar to suspicious U.S. Army contractors traveling in Canada that they filed confidential espionage accounts about them. The worried contractors described the coins as "anomalous" and "filled with something man-made that looked like nano-technology," according to once-classified U.S. government reports and e-mails obtained by the AP."
Just wow.
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Man this has tinfoil hat written all over it... Why wasn't the contractor given a government issued one?
I mean really, nanotech in coins? They use nanotech in computer processors and look how much time and effort it takes to make one of them.
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Didn't we know this back in January?
... they still don't work in American vending machines or toll booths ... and thats what really matters, isn't it?
I'd rather have these folks a little paranoid because you never know when a suspicious looking item really is being used for espionage.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Kind of expected in a state of overly paranoid affairs. Paranoia is where rationality gets thrown out of the window.
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Aren't those the special Tim Hortons(Canadian version of crack in a cup) Remembrance Day coins they gave out a few years back? Funny they thought it had a microchip in them. Man some people can be so naive.
"An odd-looking American coin with a bird which can be described as an Eagle raises suspiscion among Canadian Citizens as an artifact for espionage. The odd-looking - but harmless - "eagle coin" is unfamiliar to suspicious Canadian Police Enforcement and forced them to submit private reports about the eagles "devil eyes" which can only mean they contain tracking devices to take over canada." can anyone else say omfg paranoia ?
All this tells me is that the Americans think it's possible for coins to be used as spying devices. They wouldn't think it if they weren't somehow certain. I'd be carefull with American coins if I were you ;)
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I can't think of a more appropriate example to illustrate the differences between our two countries.
...and that's what really matters, eh?
The Defense Security Service is the same group that felt it was a good idea to ban access to their websites based on top level domain name. You see, they figured no one with a .edu domain name could be trusted despite universities being a large consumer of their services. I asked them how the heck we were supposed to view their site. They suggested that we "buy a .com" and then it would work fine. After weeks of explaining to them how bonehead an idea that was they changed their policy. *sigh*
I would rather they have lots of false positives to avoid true negatives
Unfortunately, this sort of indiscriminate paranoia ensures that the true negatives will be missed in the midst of a sea of garbage.
The intelligent response to events like 9/11 is to recognize that law enforcement effort should be prioritized as always, focussing resources on the people most likely to do harm, and to accept that a certain level of risk is necessary to preserve some essential liberty.
Blasphemy is a human right. Blasphemophobia kills.
Little do they know that it's the two dollar coin that is the surveillance device. It's obvious if you think about it - the dissimilar metals in the coin form a galvanic cell to power the transmitter. Furthermore - oh, wait a sec, I think I see a CSIS truck in my driveway...
This coin is not rare at all.
The mint produced nearly 30 million such quarters in 2004 commemorating Canada's 117,000 war dead.
Another very important subject about this false-espionnage coin:
The Defence Security Service disavowed its warning about spy coins after an international furor, but until now it has never disclosed the details behind the embarrassing episode. The U.S. said it never substantiated the contractors' claims and performed an internal review to determine how the false information was included in a 29-page published report about espionage concerns.
This is amazingly easy to verify... this is another embarrassing episode.
"The report did not indicate what kinds of coins were involved. A service spokeswoman said details of the incidents were classified."
So, basically, a weird looking coin led the government to believe there was an international threat, and the reason this belief remained intact for more than... say... 30 seconds, is that these idiots were too dumb to Google "remember souvenir" (the words on the coin), and yet they're given the ability to classify such nonsense, escalating a problem that could've been resolved by asking any Canadian to empty their pockets, into a threat to national security.
Are they really stupid enough to think that spies are going to make tracking devices in the form of big red X's, and then put those devices on coins that are unlikely to stay in their possession for more than a day?
The most hilarious part are the comments by one of the U.S. contractors, who sounds like he just got his Official Little Orphan Annie secret decoder pin in the mail:
"It did not appear to be electronic (analog) in nature or have a power source," wrote one U.S. contractor, who discovered the coin in the cup holder of a rental car. "Under high power microscope, it appeared to be complex consisting of several layers of clear, but different material, with a wire like mesh suspended on top."
The Nigerian yellowcake was actually just... yellow cake. Angel food cake, to be exact.
given the current state of affairs in the US. When you live in a totalitarian state, you see enemies behind every bush (insert appropriate joke here). To the commenter who said it only takes being right once to make it all worth while I would say "You're deluded, my friend." One of your great statesmen once said that if you give up your freedom in exchange for security, you will end up with neither; this is being borne out as we speak. Americans are not "safe" from terror - they may be safe from terrorism, but as we can see from the daily news reports, Americans are a terrified people. Those contractors who freaked out about our memorial coins were obviously not feeling "safe", and felt it necessary to file a report about their suspicions. (Incidentally, what they assumed were "nanodevices" were likely the ink dots from the printing process; the Royal Canadian Mint isn't known for its quality when it comes to short-run commemorative coins.) This is just another incident that, along with the Boston Police department's War On Things That Blink, make me glad I have absolutely no reason to travel to the US. For your sakes, I hope you get a new administration with a brain in it next time round!
"Apparatus dignosco occultus, satis non supernus."
http://www.gcn.com/print/22_10/21970-1.html worried about a coin but they cant keep track of the laptops. i think they need to focus on some of the important things before looking with the naked eye for nano-spy gear
When you are a country who's law allows the kidnapping of foreign nationals, who's laws allow "rendition", who's laws allow Guantanamo to exist... a country who spies on everyone else, then you see yourself in others too. One tends to expect from others the sort of treatment you meet out. Conversely, the society for which the above is unthinkable tends not to see those threats everywhere else. This story isn't so much funny, as it is deeply... deeply sad.
IN FLANDERS FIELDS the poppies blow
Between the crosses row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky
The larks, still bravely singing, fly
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the Dead. Short days ago
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved, and now we lie
In Flanders fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe:
To you from failing hands we throw
The torch; be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us who die
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow
In Flanders fields.
I guess this means we shouldn't have preemptively invaded Canada. [shrug] Oh well. We can't leave now, or there'll be a bloody civil war between Quebec and everyone else up there. Besides which, this is our best chance to spread democracy and freedom in North America.
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Assemble a breast cancer ribbon, AIDs pin, a Remembrance day poppy, Canada pin, and a Nano-tech coin, it forms a miniature thermonuclear device of ultimate destruction.
I can understand the concern, especially considering the quality and technical savvy of the Royal Canadian Mint. Here is part of the Wiki entry:
"The Mint has been at the forefront of currency innovation. Among the Mint's technical innovations have included its plating process, which consists of a multi-ply technology that allows electromagnetic signatures to be embedded in the coins, assuring readability in the coin-processing industries.[3] Its other innovation was the world's first coloured circulation coin, the 2004 Remembrance Day 25 cent piece, with a red poppy on the reverse. Further innovation was achieved with the adaptation of the Physical Vapour Deposition (PVD) technology to coat its dies, extending the life of the die beyond that of past chrome coated dies.[4]" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Royal_Canadian_Mint
Now, consider that the mint also makes coins for many other countries, US military contractors and security conscious travelers can be even more paranoid.
By the way, Canadian money is made by and controlled by the Canadian government... Do you know who makes and controls US currency? If you guessed the US government, you should check again.
...now I need a picture of a kitten and a coin...
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Actually, you did invade us once (back in 1812), but we fought you off, sank most of your ships, and then marched down to Washington and burned down the White House. You wanna piece of this - come git some! *grin*
"Apparatus dignosco occultus, satis non supernus."
P.S. whoever "they" are
Never attribute to malice (or paranoia) that which can be adequately explained by stupidity. There is no way the USA can stay on top for long, when even the "bright" people in the USA are brutally stupid.
The biggest conspiracy theorists are the spies. They actually make a decent living hatching ridiculous conspiracy theories (oooh, the Canadian Mint is run by aliens using their advanced nanotech to prepare for invasion). That way their masters get to spy on pinko commie agitators everywhere, like environmentalists and democracy advocates (ooh look, the Raging Grannies are inciting insurrection, let's tap their phones, send in the moles).
Damn those pesky terrorists
What I want to know is why it didn't occur to anyone to 1) call Canada and ask them or 2) call a coin collector and ask them or 3) use google, rather than running around like headless chickens.
Pity it wasn't the one dollar coin, then we could have had a cheap jibe about loonies. Oh well, eh.
It's true I tell you, feller at work's next door neighbour read it in the paper.
A common definition of "nanotech" is a device that was devised with intentional features on a scale of under a 100 nm or so. The best optical microscopes can resolve down to about 200nm, or roughly half a wavelength of blue light.
So you are correct. In fact, for some devices even an electron microscope doesn't quite cut it, and a scanning-tunneling microscope (STM) or atomic-force microscope (AFM) are used.
.. then it must be... OMFG!!! I just inhaled 50 thousand nano-terrorists! MY EYES!! MY EYES!!
Give a man a fish and you have fed him for today. Teach a man to fish, and he'll say "WHERE'S MY FISH, YOU IDIOT?"
Not because of being accused of spying but because of being accused of being stupid enough to implant "super secret spy technology that is intending to go completely unnoticed" in a non-standard object that stands out and draws attention instead of in a perfectly normal looking quarter.
I can't think of a better concealment method than hiding bugs on coins by painting a red poppy flower on them!
You know, aside from hiding a bomb with a mooninite LED sign...
Reminds me of a prank some students made. They bought a park bench and a group of students carried it with them the city. Police of course stopped them and asked them to return it to where they took it, but they showed the proof that they owned the bench and can carry it anywhere they please. So police let them and broadcast to other patrols that the students carrying a bench own it.
So the city got filled with groups of students carrying benches until all bench were carried away.
Of course the bench were returned afterwards.
Although very memorable, this prank was not highly praised due to involving police with whom the students have respect.
How this relates or does not relate to Canadian coins I leave to the reader.
I'm not supposed to tell you this, but the poppy coins were just a decoy. The real tracking devices are embedded in these:
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http://uk.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idU
We're still working on the miniaturization issue.
It was a Remembrance Day (ww2) coin.. why would this strike anyone as suspicious?
Actually, the coin was NOT a WW2 coin. It was issued in 2004 to commemorate the 90th anniversary of the start of the FIRST world war in 1914. Remembrance Day started at the end of WWI (11th hour, eleventh day, eleventh month in 1918).
It is the first general-circulation coin in the world to have ever been issued in colour. IIRC, Canada is still the only country to issue coloured coins in general circulation (the mint later issued one with a pink ribbon as part of a breast cancer fund-raising campaign). The images are "painted" (printed actually) by computer using some kind of epoxy on a small mesh substrate, which is then cured (not sure if this required heat or not, but it becomes quite a durable finish).
It is quite an elabourate process for a simple little image, but it was designed so that it could withstand years of use in general circulation without wearing off or fading. They worked on the assumption that these coins would see the same kind of abuse as normal coins, but given that people tend to save them for awhile when they get then in their change, I suspect that the mint went a bit overboard in the design. However, the Canadian Mint is internationally known for quality so they have a rep to live up to.
Given the unusual nature of the coin to someone outside of Canada, I'm not surprised that it caught the attention of US security. Also, given the paranoia of security-types in both the US AND Canada, I am not the least surprised that they would over-react to a benign situation (and, in the process, likely miss a REAL threat). I have, in my travels through many airports in Canada and US, witnessed some of these "bright lights" confiscate an old lady's plastic crochet hooks and "take down" an 80 year old man (forcing him to the floor, arms restrained at his back), who lost sight of his wheelchair-bound wife when an attendant took her down the elevator while his back was turned. That last incident really drove home the message that you MUST take seriously the signs that read "do not stop in this area" as you leave the departure gate. If Canadian security are like that, I can only imagine what DC or New York would be like (Philadelphia and Chicago are bad enough thank you).
t's a known fact that Starbucks is on a quest for domination of the US, and will not rest until there is a Starbucks on every street corner and every American is hooked.
Starbucks is a Tim Horton's wannabe--it isn't anywhere close to achieving domination of its home country the way Tim Horton's is. Let me give you an idea of just how far along Tim Horton's is in its quest to take over Canada:
* Tim Hortons is the LARGEST fast-food/cafe chain in Canada. It is MORE THAN DOUBLE the size of McDonalds in Canada in terms of number of stores AND makes significantly more money than Mcdonalds does in Canada as well.
* For every cup of coffee Starbucks sells in Canada, Tim Horton's sells TEN.
* One of every four dollars spent on fast food in Canada is spent at Tim Horton's
* Even though it has a relatively small presence in the US, it is large enough that it TOOK OVER a major US fast food chain (it merged with Wendy's, and the resulting merged entity was majority owned by former Tim Horton's ownership). It also took over other regional fast food businesses in the US (Hardee's, Rax, etc).
So, it is an honest mistake to believe the special-issue coins might have been issued by Tim Horton's, given how thoroughly they have taken over the nation. However, it is not the case--legal tender is made exclusively by the Royal Mint despite the appearance that being a Tim Horton's franchisee is a license to print money.
Yes, we were still a colony at that time, however as at least two of those colonies were known as 'Upper and Lower Canada', I'm comfortable calling the inhabitants at that time 'Canadians'. I'm guessing that if we'd HAD any ice skates back then, we'd have permanently occupied the United States and imposed mandatory toque-wearing as well as replacing your national symbol with the Beaver. I mean, c'mon. We all know up here that America's dislike of us is solely based on its jealousy of our national mascot.
"Apparatus dignosco occultus, satis non supernus."
Stupid Flanders.
You better watch out, there may be dogs about . .