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Sprint Nextel Vs. 41 Schools and Non-Profits

netbuzz writes "A case of corporate bullying, or good network citizenship? Sprint Nextel has let slip the dogs of law on the FCC and 41 non-profits, most of them school systems, in an effort to get the FCC to stop granting these organizations special dispensation when they fail to renew their wireless spectrum licenses. These licenses were granted as part of the Educational Broadband Service. The school systems, many of them rural, argue that they don't have the staff or the resources to keep on top of the paperwork and shouldn't be punished for such bureaucratic lapses. (Some generate revenue by leasing unused portions of the spectrum to carriers such as Sprint Nextel.) The schools' argument may sound a bit like 'the dog ate my homework' to some, and Sprint Nextel makes a fairly compelling case that a greater good would be served if the FCC would stop enabling such tardiness."

93 comments

  1. Well, of course by User+956 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sprint Nextel makes a fairly compelling case that a greater good would be served if the FCC would stop enabling such tardiness.

    Yes, because private "ownership" of spectrum is clearly a god-given right, and not a state-sponsored privilege. No, not at all.

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    1. Re:Well, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      um... Save The Children... from profiteering buisnesses.

    2. Re:Well, of course by User+956 · · Score: 1

      However, the spectrum ought to be private property. This is an old, but easy to understand, argument

      You're using an argument from 1964 to support your position in a technology debate? Clearly, the concept of distributed dynamic channel access (which did not exist FORTY-THREE YEARS AGO), is a successful one, and Ms. Rand's argument, while appropriate IN THE LAST CENTURY, is less poignant in this one. You know, the one where we're currently LIVING.

      Are you going to follow up with an editorial extolling the virtues of buggy whips over the pedal-operated engine throttle?

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    3. Re:Well, of course by Knytefall · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Ms. Rand's argument?" Does anything further need to be said to invalidate whatever that argument is?

    4. Re:Well, of course by James_Aguilar · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Yes. Yes it does. A salient discussion of the argument's points and their shortcomings is a good place to start.

    5. Re:Well, of course by J'raxis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Do you go around posting "You're using an argument from 1791?" when people defend First Amendment rights?

    6. Re:Well, of course by User+956 · · Score: 1

      Do you go around posting "You're using an argument from 1791?" when people defend First Amendment rights?

      Cute. Do first Amendment rights have any impact on the basic technological feasability of shared spectrum use?

      If your answer is no, then "no".

      You can go put your strawman back where you found it.

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  2. profits by Lehk228 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    i think sprint means

    "the public good would be better served by selling school spectrum to us so we can have better profits. you aren't a COMMUNIST are you!?"

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    1. Re:profits by FunWithKnives · · Score: 1

      Your comment is definitely funny, but insightful moreso. I hope someone gives you a proper karma-affecting moderation for that.

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  3. Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by saterdaies · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Sprint Nextel is one of the worst offenders when it comes to spectrum violations. The Nextel network has been illegally causing interference with public-safety radios for years now - and they have missed every deadline that has been set to clean it up. It started off because they were too cheap to filter their signals so that they wouldn't cause interference. Then they convinced the FCC to swap their scattered spectrum for much more valuable contiguous spectrum.

    Sprint is the worst when it comes to spectrum violations and those schools should press the FCC to relieve Sprint of all Nextel's spectrum that's causing interference - without any compensation. Sprint would shut up pretty fast if that happened because one's a silly paperwork mix-up and the other's a wanton disregard for responsibility.

    1. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by grapeape · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Sprint also has a nasty habit of buying up spectrum in rural areas and then doing nothing with it primarily to keep competition out.

    2. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by CallFinalClass · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do you always post lies, or is this new for you?

      No, Sprint hasn't been "illegally causing interference." All of the Sprint/Nextel radios meet FCC specs.

      Otherwise, they never could have been put into service. They would not have been FCC Type Accepted.

      Were the FCC specs not as good as they should have been? Damn straight. That's the FCC's fault, all the way.

    3. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by sub67 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Do you always post lies, or is this new for you?

      No, Sprint hasn't been "illegally causing interference." All of the Sprint/Nextel radios meet FCC specs.

      Otherwise, they never could have been put into service. They would not have been FCC Type Accepted.

      Were the FCC specs not as good as they should have been? Damn straight. That's the FCC's fault, all the way.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nextel#Nextel_U.S._op erations_interfere_with_police_and_fire_radios *shrug*..
    4. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by tech10171968 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The parent seems to have some very harsh words for Sprint-Nextel, but I'm not about to argue with him. I work for a small radio dealer in the Southeast and we operate three 800-Mhz radio tranmsitter sites covering a 10-county fooprint; in fact, we hold the *only* privately-owned 800Mhz spectrum in that part of the state (everyone else there sold out to - you guessed it - Sprint/Nextel). About a couple of years ago we (along with Sprint/Nextel) started our FCC-mandated rebanding; this involved Sprint/Nextel lending us the repeaters to keep our networks on line while we tuned our own repeaters to the new frequencies. Earlier this year the rebanding process was completed and we were due at least a $40,000 payment from Sprint/Nextel for fees and expenses incurred during the rebanding process. This payment was actually due months ago, but Sprint/Nextel has been using various tactics to delay this payment. They seem to know that this company is operating at a razor-thin margin and are hoping for us to go out of business. My guess is that they want to obtain these frequencies and hold them to eliminate any potential competition in the area. As it stands now, our shop is more or less a thorn in Sprint/Nextel's side as far as this particular mid-state market is concerned. I say that because few people I know actually buy Nextel cellphones because of the phone service (their service area sucks outside of interstate and urban areas); they buy these phones because of the radio feature. The problem for Sprint/Nextel is that we can provide similar midstate coverage for nowhere near what they charge customers in the same area - in other words, we are a direct threat to their local business model and they'd love to see us close up shop. The two-way radio industry is a small world and (from what I've heard from other shops) Sprint/Nextel has been sued several times before for using similar tactics against other entities. Apparently we weren't the only victims of Sprint/Nextel's tendency to play fast and loose with the rules, and that fact is the reason we 've had a Washington, D.C. communications attorney on retainer for the past few months (BTW the attorney's fees are also included in that payment due to us, so they've also managed to piss off a couple of D.C. lawyers as well). We'll see if we can avoid having to sue them ourselves, as our attorneys seem to have made some headway in the case. As of this writing we should be receiving payment within the next couple of days (I can hardly wait - Sprint/Nextel owes a few thousand dollars in rebanding fees alone). Otherwise, I guess we'll be seeing them in court.

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    5. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by rec9140 · · Score: 1

      If I had the mod points you would get them as +5.

      You hit the nail on the head. Nexhell is THE WORST POLLUTER of the spectrum out there.

      SouthernLinc uses the same iDEN system and when ever there is a problem with adajacent systems THEY FIX IT.

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    6. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by maxume · · Score: 1

      Perhaps his point was that the interference is not illegal...

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    7. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Wikipedia paragraph the parent linked to seemed to back up everything the GP said, and did not paint Nextel in a bad light at all. Was that the intention?

    8. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why is that even possible? Over here in germany, any part of the Spectrum that is sold is usually tied to some minimum coverage and/or number of customers to be reached after a given period. If the licensee of the spectrum fails to reach those goals, the license is returned without compensation for the licensee.

    9. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by R2.0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Of course Nextels equipment is legal - it's how they use it that is illegal.

      A site license granted by the FCC for a tower site has very specific limits on its transmission power so that interference does not occur. The frequency coordination is done by 3rd party engineers. So, if they are running their tower withing their license limits, there should be no interference.

      Well guess what - you can go in and turn the gain up on the tranmitter so that it exceeds the license. The FCC doesn't put seals on transmitters. So it is entirely possible for them to operate outside their license and interfere with others, all while having "legal" equipment.

      Do you always talk out of your ass, or is this something new for you?

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    10. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by hey! · · Score: 1

      Why is it possible?

      Because of political ideology trumping common sense.

      The ideology is that unrestrained private sector use of a resource is automatically the most efficient use of that resource.

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    11. Re:Sprint Nextel shouldn't be talking by DanQuixote · · Score: 1


      There is only one company on the Earth with lower morals than Microsoft...

      Can you guess who?

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  4. Loose. by StikyPad · · Score: 0

    Sorry to nitpick, but the quote is "let loose the dogs of war." Aside from using a proper quote, slipping is an unintentional act..

    1. Re:Loose. by ManicGiraffe · · Score: 4, Informative

      The line is indeed "let slip the dogs of war". From Julius Caesar.

      http://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/105600.html

    2. Re:Loose. by StikyPad · · Score: 1

      Oops.. I stand corrected!

    3. Re:Loose. by ManConley · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Sorry to nitpick, but the quote is "let loose the dogs of war."

      Sorry to nitpick, but:

      ANTONY:
      And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
      With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
      Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
      Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
      That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
      With carrion men, groaning for burial.
      ~ William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar (Act III, Scene 1)

      "Let slip" is an interesting phrase; while "slip" is usually unintentional, "let slip" suggests at least knowledge of what is to come.

      Kind of like "accidental" takedown notices that impact legitimate content or lawsuit flurries certain to hit at least a few grandmothers without computers, no?

    4. Re:Loose. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sorry to nitpick, but:

              ANTONY:
              And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
              With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
              Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
              Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
              That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
              With carrion men, groaning for burial.

      ~ William Shakespeare, Julius Caesar (Act III, Scene 1)


      I say... "Cry CHEEBLE and let slip the hamsters of war!"
    5. Re:Loose. by proxy318 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Well I guess that finally answers the perennial question "Who let the dogs out?"

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    6. Re:Loose. by eMbry00s · · Score: 1

      Dear proxy318, we would appreciate it if you stopped infringing on our intellectual properties.

      It's so, so, sad when things.. slip.

      Yours Truly,
      The RIAA, representatives of The Baha Men

    7. Re:Loose. by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      That mothers shall but smile when they behold
      Their infants quarter'd with the hands of war;
      All pity choked with custom of fell deeds:
      And Caesar's spirit, ranging for revenge,
      With Ate by his side come hot from hell,
      Shall in these confines with a monarch's voice
      Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;
      That this foul deed shall smell above the earth
      With carrion men, groaning for burial.
      If you're going to correct people, check that you're not talking out of your ass first.
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  5. Not to be naive' by blhack · · Score: 1

    but what sorts of things are the schools using this spectrum for exactly anyhow? Are we talking high schools here? Or universities? TFA doesn't really say much other than that the schools have allowed their licenses to expire. Also, I don't believe that Sprint/Nextel are just doing this to police the FCC laws, there has GOT to be an angle. Companies that big aren't stupid (okay, some are) they wouldn't just dump a bunch of money worth of lawyers on this unless there was a chance for positive return.

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    1. Re:Not to be naive' by false_cause · · Score: 1

      I know nothing about what is going on except what I learned from the summary, but it sounds like schools and NPOs get spectrum by pleading public good. The FCC grants (without charge? reduced charge? prefered status?) this spectrum for educational purposes etc.. Sprint wants cheaper access to spectrum, so they file suit against people whose rights to spectrum have lapsed but who continue to hold it to try to move them off (one less competitor means cheaper access). If it happens to then cost more for these orgs to maintain compliance and they deem it too costly to hold the spectrum... One has to consider the other side of the coin is a possibility (can't just be cynical toward the big business. everyone involved is human). Perhaps these orgs are getting spectrum through their special status, then charging Sprint for access to it to make a little cash? Easy money?

    2. Re:Not to be naive' by ZakMcCracken · · Score: 1

      That is the "funniest" thing indeed... Schools are supposed to use this spectrum for educational purposes. Churches also get some. It was supposed to be "for Instructional and Educational purposes", distance learning, etc.

      But every school or church can't have a full TV production studio, so they can't be broadcasting permanently... And when they are not broadcasting, wouldn't it be a shame to let this good spectrum sit unused?

      So the FCC allowed these licensees to lease out up to 95% of their capacity to third-party entities, who may be profit-making entities (two-way radio systems, pay-TV operators...).

      In fact what happens in the vast majority of the cases is that schools and churches who have no serious intention of engaging into distance learning do something like this:

      * Claim free spectrum from the FCC (hey it's free!)
      * Shoot 72 minutes of class with a crappy camcorder (72 min = 5% of one day)
      * In order to claim educational status, put up a transmitter that broadcasts that crappy video every day from 2am to 3.12am.
      * Find a commercial partner to pay for the abovementioned transmitter, and to pay you a multi-year lease to get access to the spectrum every day from 3.13am to 1.59am the next day.
      * Get a few thousands of dollars a year from the lease.
      * Out of that money, pay a fee to the consultants who helped you put it together.

      In other words, the whole thing is just a nice financial windfall to schools and churches, who are usually quick to put forward the argument that they would never be able to "broadcast education to the masses" if the spectrum that they were given wasn't free... Which is a real joke.

      Methinks, if a school isn't even able to use part of the windfall to pay for somebody to put up with the meager paperwork required to maintain that windfall, who cares if they are denied spectrum license renewals? It doesn't benefit society to give free spectrum to schools if they are only interested in leasing it back out to commercial entities. The government might as well cut the middlemen and all the pantomime by auctioning spectrum licenses right out to commercial entities.

  6. Tutorial by noidentity · · Score: 2, Insightful

    1. Buy calendar
    2. Mark date that license has to be renewed
    3. Renew license when that date arrives
    3. ???
    4. No loss of spectrum!!!

    Seriously, anyone who pays monthly bills generally figures out a simple, cheap system like this. Nothing to remember except checking the calendar.

  7. Personally... by FunWithKnives · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I do not believe that the school system's repeated failure to renew on time is the most important issue here. The disturbing thing is that these educational systems have been forced to generate revenue by leasing portions of the spectrum to corporations. When educational departments are driven to things like this, what message does it send - scream, even - to the people? Right now, I am thinking it is along the lines of:

    "We do not give two shits about education for the masses. We would rather funnel all of the money that we receive from taxpaying people into bombs, missiles, tanks, warplanes, weapons of mass destruction, et cetera."

    When you take thirty seconds and look up government expenditures, it is actually plain as day. Here are the figures for defense versus education in 2004:

    Defense: totalled $456 billion.

    Education: totalled $88 billion.

    source (warning: there may be some flash nasties at this site, but the figures are likely elsewhere on the 'net as well.)

    If that does not anger the average person, I honestly do not know what will. While I was perusing the figures, I thought these two were also rather telling:

    Also from 2004, cumulative, the amount that our government took in from taxes:

    Individual Income Taxes: totalled $809 billion.

    Corporate Income Taxes: totalled $189.4 billion.

    I would say that there is a bit of a disparity there. I will leave it up to everyone to draw their own conclusions as to why.

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    1. Re:Personally... by FunWithKnives · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Looks like a moderator has a difference of opinion. Instead of skewing the moderation system even more by modding based on that opinion, I would suggest foregoing the privileges for this discussion in order to reply and make your case.

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    2. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The vast majority of corporations sell items.
      The corporation does not pay tax on these items because that tax is paid during purchase by the consumer.
      If the corporation paid tax on it also, it would be double taxation.

      If the corporation paid more tax it would come out of the pockets of the employees and the people buying the product. Do you think the corporation is some magical entity not composed of people?

      Why don't you add up the hundreds of billions of our tax dollars on that list that are given to people without jobs who sit around doing drugs and having kids all day? If they would get off their asses and go to work maybe my tax dollars could go to schools instead of their food stamps.

    3. Re:Personally... by TuballoyThunder · · Score: 5, Informative

      If you want to quote numbers, you should be complete. Below is a summary for 2007

      • 586.1 billion (+7.0%) - Social Security
      • $466.0 billion (+4.0%) - Defense
      • $394.5 billion (+12.4%) - Medicare
      • $367.0 billion (+2.0%) - Unemployment and welfare
      • $276.4 billion (+2.9%) - Medicaid and other health related
      • $243.7 billion (+13.4%) - Interest on debt
      • $89.9 billion (+1.3%) - Education and training
      • $76.9 billion (+8.1%) - Transportation
      • $72.6 billion (+5.8%) - Veterans' benefits
      • $43.5 billion (+9.2%) - Administration of justice
      • $33.1 billion (+5.7%) - Natural resources and environment
      • $32.5 billion (-15.4%) - Foreign affairs
      • $27.0 billion (+3.7%) - Agriculture
      • $26.8 billion (+28.7%) - Community and regional development
      • $25.0 billion (+4.0%) - Science and technology
      • $20.1 billion (+11.4%) - General government
      • $1.1 billion (-47.6%) - Energy
      If you group it by "human services/community/education," "defense/veterans/foreign affairs" you get
      • $1740.7 billion - "Human Services"
      • $571.1 billion - "Defense"
      Thus, for every $1 spent on "defense" $3 is spent on "human services."

      I won't even bother getting into a discussion about tax policy--you might as well argue which religon is best. I will point out the following facts:

      • The top 5% of earners paid 53% of the income tax
      • The top 1% of earners paid 33% of the income tax
      • The bottom 50% of earners paid less than 5% of the income tax
      Also, do not forget that individual income tax includes unincorporated businesses.
    4. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not the job of the Federal Gov't to provide education.

    5. Re:Personally... by Columcille · · Score: 1

      Were those numbers reversed - $456 billion on education and $88 on military - all the money on education might just become moot. It's no use being well educated if you're dead. Yeah yeah I know - the left will scream back, "YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE! YOU FEAR MONGER!" Facing reality != trying to scare people. There are people out there that hate us for no better reason than we are a wealthy, free society. I'd love to see the defense/education numbers reversed, but I'd hate to imagine just how fast someone would take advantage of our dropped guard.

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    6. Re:Personally... by TheGavster · · Score: 1

      We tax both wages and earnings, however they are one and the same. Any wages paid are from corporate earnings; whichever side of the paycheck you tax it on the same amount comes out.

      In any case, these schools aren't 'forced' to lease the spectrum; they simply find that it is more productive to their educational program to rent it out and invest the money in a more effective curriculum. Giving these schools ownership of spectrum is effectively giving them free money, very similar to giving them an apartment building.

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    7. Re:Personally... by TheGreatHegemon · · Score: 1

      Not that I agree with the money distribution in the US, but...

      AFAIK, There's more money per student in the U.S. k-12 system than in any other country (or near to it). Might not be the money provided, perhaps we should be looking more at their spending.

      More importantly, I'm currently working at the Housing Dept. of my college to make ends meet. Perhaps we're atypical, but part of my responsibility is keeping an up to date calendar, along with deadlines, etc. There's a very nice scheduling system in use as well. There should be NO reason why schools should miss deadlines...

    8. Re:Personally... by bendodge · · Score: 1

      I very am glad to see there are some sane people here. Thanks for straightening that out.

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    9. Re:Personally... by Babbster · · Score: 1

      It's not the job of the Federal Gov't to provide education.
      Quoted for truth. One of the US Federal Government's primary responsibilities is to "provide for the common defense." Public education is the responsibility of individual states and municipalities.

      That's not to say that I think it's a bad idea for the Feds to help out the states with public education, but it's certainly not where the bulk of federal spending should be apportioned. In an ideal, balanced budget world, Congress would eliminate all Federal education programs, pass the savings back to the taxpayers and let the states take bigger chunks with their own taxation, using that for schools. But, there's a reason it's called Utopia...
    10. Re:Personally... by Doctor+High · · Score: 4, Interesting

      As far as I know, a hike in corporate tax is partly internalized by downsizing workers and eating some of the tax by taking a lower profit margin. They make up for the rest by raising prices. This is a bit simplistic, as taxation is sticky business, but higher inflation and unemployment are not the targets of fiscal policy.

      I'd say you're on the right track with this, but it's even simpler. If corporate income taxes are raised, a business will compensate for the potential loss of profits via:

      1) Raise prices
      2) Lower costs of production (fewer workers, cheaper parts, etc.)
      3) Both of the above

      The really sad thing about Americans and taxes is that most of us don't realize that an increase in corporate taxes might as well be an increase in individual taxes. The consumers pay for all corporate taxes. It might be in the form of higher prices, or lower quality goods for the same price, lost jobs, or some combination of those three. We just feel better about instituting higher taxes on corporations, because we feel like they're the ones making all the money. Nobody feels good about increasing taxes on individuals.
    11. Re:Personally... by Doctor+High · · Score: 1

      I do not believe that the school system's repeated failure to renew on time is the most important issue here. The disturbing thing is that these educational systems have been forced to generate revenue by leasing portions of the spectrum to corporations. When educational departments are driven to things like this, what message does it send - scream, even - to the people? Right now, I am thinking it is along the lines of:

      When you take thirty seconds and look up government expenditures, it is actually plain as day. Here are the figures for defense versus education in 2004:

      Defense: totalled $456 billion.

      Education: totalled $88 billion.

      If that does not anger the average person, I honestly do not know what will. You make a good point, though more money != better education. Since I am originally from Georgia, I'll pick on my own state as an example. Georgia schools have one of the highest per-student education spending ratios in the nation, but the Georgia students are consistently one of the lowest ranked of the nation in educational abilities testing.

      I imagine that educating children is a very complicated matter, and quoting one statistic alone does not prove a point. However, throwing more money at a broken system does not fix the broken system, and thus kids are still not well educated.

      The teachers' union does not help matters either. They fight against testing of teachers to ensure that the teachers actually understand the subjects that they are teaching. And the teacher certification/testing standards that are currently in place are a joke. Many states use the "Praxis" test to determine teacher eligibility. In the District of Columbia, teachers only have to score above the 20th percentile to pass. Most of the other states that use the Praxis test only require test takers to score above the 33rd percentile.

      And the "No Child Left Behind Act" (2002) mandated that all school systems be able to demonstrate by August 2006 that their teachers are "highly qualified" in their primary area of teaching. But in 2006 the Department of Education notified at least 34 states that their teacher testing had major problems and would be subject to mandatory oversight.

      After all that NEA bashing, I have to say that most teachers are great people with big hearts who try to make a difference in the lives of the kids that they teach. The teachers themselves aren't the problem. It's their union(s). Although teachers are not the brightest group of Americans (Education majors have lowest SAT scores amongst their college cohorts), they would improve if they were required to do so to maintain their jobs. The unions are keeping the teachers complacent at their well-below-average status. It's unfortunate that the bad apples are bringing down the entire educational system.

      While I was perusing the figures, I thought these two were also rather telling:

      Also from 2004, cumulative, the amount that our government took in from taxes:

      Individual Income Taxes: totalled $809 billion.

      Corporate Income Taxes: totalled $189.4 billion.

      I would say that there is a bit of a disparity there. I will leave it up to everyone to draw their own conclusions as to why. See my other reply on this story regarding corporate versus individual taxes. It's not as clear cut an issue as it might appear at first glance.
    12. Re:Personally... by SQL+Error · · Score: 3, Informative

      It's also important to note than education is not primarily funded at the federal level. These figures are a few years old, but they show that only 7% of elementary and secondary education expenditure is federally funded.

    13. Re:Personally... by SQL+Error · · Score: 1

      Slashdot's moderation is based entirely on opinion. Half the time, people just use it as +1 Agree or -1 Disagree (like, oh, a certain site that starts with "D").

      What I'd like to see is new moderation options: +1 Right, -1 Wrong, and -5 Stupid.

    14. Re:Personally... by GlL · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Spending FUD!

      The people with interests in Defense tout numbers that say we spend too much on Human Services, and the people with interests in Human Services tout numbers that say we spend too much on Defense. Personally, I think they are both right. We as a nation spend too much money. If we eliminated half the bureaucrats in DC, we would get more done. When you spend more money then you take in, that causes problems down the road. If I ran my house or business the way the US is run financially, I would be doing serious jail time.

      Defense:
      We spend too much money on development of technologies that will NEVER be used. Missile defense is irrelevant when you take into account the fact that you can do more damage with a guy with a suitcase then with a missile. And those figures DON'T include the "Emergency Spending" bills that have been passed.

      Education:
      We spend too much money on mid-level patronage jobs. And we have done nothing to teach our children how to think critically. The kids that I have seen are taught to parrot information and conform. We wonder why our kids aren't that creative? We need to spend our money on programs that teach kids how to access, analyze and implement information as opposed to barfing it back up on tests.

      I am a cynic, but how could I look at politics and not be?

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    15. Re:Personally... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 0, Troll

      Disgraceful.....

      $72.6 Billion to VETERANS who FOUGHT WARS and put their country before their lives .....and.....

      $367.0 Billion to people who sit on their asses, and put their lives before their country.

      Yes, I know that there are the few who are truly disabled and truly CANNOT work, but most "Disabled" are obviously just milking the system, but nobody wants to openly say that. Unfortunaly, most "Disabled" are still capable of performing work. Maybe not the kind of work they would want to be doing, or working at all, but unless you are mentally retarded, parapalegic, quadriplegic, or a vegtable, you can still work. Boo hoo.

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    16. Re:Personally... by hazem · · Score: 1

      It's no use being well educated if you're dead. Yeah yeah I know - the left will scream back, "YOU ARE JUST TRYING TO SCARE PEOPLE! YOU FEAR MONGER!" Facing reality != trying to scare people. There are people out there that hate us for no better reason than we are a wealthy, free society.

      Actually, war monger is a better word for it. The name of the department was far more accurate when it was the "war department" and not the "defense department". The US has been waging war on people all over the world ever since WWII. The people in these screwed up 3rd world countries don't hate us because we are free... they hate us because we exploit their countries and resources at the point of a gun while making deals to prop up dictators and "take out" democratically elected leaders.

      We don't have to make everyone like us. But we could certainly try to stop making an effort to make them hate us. Then maybe we wouldn't have to spend so much on "defense".

    17. Re:Personally... by PJ1216 · · Score: 1

      We can create any sort of categories we want to try and show defense costs aren't that high. Why not just create the categories as "defense" and "not defense" then it's closer to like 1 dollar of defense for every 5 dollars on something not defense related. The person was comparing EDUCATION to DEFENSE. Not Human services to defense. EDUCATION. Don't redefine the person's argument. How someone can say it's justified to spend more on war then on the education of the FUTURE OF THIS COUNTRY, they have to have a screw loose.

      Your second set of stats is also very misleading. Yea 5% may have covered 53%. But what percentage of the income does the top 5% make? I know it'll still be off because they do pay more in taxes, but the numbers will be much less drastic.

    18. Re:Personally... by Lockejaw · · Score: 1

      (Education majors have lowest SAT scores amongst their college cohorts)
      What other groups were they compared with?
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      (IANAL)
    19. Re:Personally... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > When you take thirty seconds and look up government expenditures, it is actually
      > plain as day. Here are the figures for defense versus education in 2004:
      >
      > Defense: totalled $456 billion.
      >
      > Education: totalled $88 billion.

      The states don't purchase tanks, but they do purchase books and hire teachers and build schools. What is the annual expenditure on education by the 50 states? Does education spending nationally now approach defense spending nationally?

    20. Re:Personally... by Fallingcow · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know that there are the few who are truly disabled and truly CANNOT work, but most "Disabled" are obviously just milking the system,


      You might find, with a little bit of research, that there are far fewer people "milking the system" than you've been led to believe.

      I know you didn't mention them, but the old "welfare mom" boogeymen (bogeywomen?) in particular account for a vanishingly small portion of the budget, even if you assume that an enormous percentage of the people collecting those benefits are such leeches.

      Where the money in our social programs actually goes is often misunderstood, I think. People see "medicaid" and "medicare" and a half-dozen other programs with different beneficiaries and different goals and tend to lump them together into "welfare", and then when someone says that x% of the people on welfare are abusing the system, but don't specify which part they are abusing, some are inclined (understandably) to think that there are giant chunks of the budget going to lazy bastards with 500 kids and/or a "back injury", which is just incorrect.

      The GP poster's numbers are a little fuzzy. "Unemployment and welfare"--what exactly falls under that category? How much of that is from our short-term unemployment benefit program, which is not terribly prone to abuse and has few critics? How many other programs are included as "welfare", and whom do they benefit? There is no program called "welfare", so that category likely includes several small programs that didn't warrant their own item on such a simplified list, but what's in there? We don't know.

      Also, I'd like to note here that Social Security has its own budget, and DOES NOT take money from general tax revenue. That spending shown is wholly from the Social Security tax, which actually runs a surplus most years (for the time being, at least). It's not necessarily wrong to include it, but its nature is so different from the rest of the spending on that list that I feel it deserves mention.
    21. Re:Personally... by immcintosh · · Score: 1

      The top 5% of earners paid 53% of the income tax
      That's nice. Now tell me what percentage of the actual wealth those top 5% control and we'll have maybe some actually USEFUL numbers. Last I checked, those top 5% control more than 53% of the wealth, meaning they're paying LESS than their fair share by my book.
    22. Re:Personally... by Omestes · · Score: 1

      And WHO actually is out to get us? And out of that how many of them are out to get us because we are out to get them (or at least this is how they see it)?

      No one hates us because we're free. People hate us because of what we do to other people, and our support for genocidal regimes that are okay with killing people. People hate us because we won't mind our own goddamn business. yes, now it might be too late since we already garnered enough antipathy globally to be screwed for generations, but if we actually worked for the global good, and not just ours at their expense, then perhaps we could trim back military spending and spend it on things that actually matter.

      Living in a country who kills people for their own self interest, how can you find a real problem with people doing the same to us? This is my intellectual quandary. For the record I find killing anyone for money wrong, whether and American pulls the trigger or not. Calling it "defense" is a misnomer, a lot of it goes to actively killing people who don't have any plans against us.

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      A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
    23. Re:Personally... by Doctor+High · · Score: 1
      According to the articles I read about this, they were judged against 22 other possible majors. The education majors, who averaged 961 out of a possible 1600, were not the lowest though! Education majors beat out the home economics majors, "technical & vocational education" majors, and public affairs & services majors.

      So teachers are smarter than auto mechanics, professional housewives/husbands, and social workers (I presume that this is part of the "public affairs & services" classification).

      The article from the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette can be found here.

      Also from that article:

      Frederick Hess, a University of Virginia researcher, noted in a recent study that "teacher-preparation programs neither screen out nor weed out weak candidates."

      Even the elite universities, he found, accept more than 50 percent of the applicants for their master's programs in education. But their average acceptance rate for medical schools is about 5 percent; for law schools, about 25 percent.


      And this article at www.reformk12.org has the following to say:

      Each year, over a million college-bound high school students take the SAT test. And each year, The College Board publishes reports which are gold mines of information for statistics junkies like us.

      We decided to have some fun with the 2003 report (pdf), looking specifically at the average scores for groups of students headed towards different college majors.

      As you may well know, the SAT test is divided into two halves: Math and Verbal, with the scores reported separately for each. For some unfair comparisions, it is interesting to see how math and science fields do on the Verbal, and how language and humanities fields do on the Math.

      The Math SAT: As would be expected, Mathematics majors scored highest of all the majors on the Math portion, with a 626 point average. They soundly trounced the Language and Literature majors, who were 76 points behind. But here's the kicker: Language and Literature scored 67 points higher in Math than Education majors!

      Not to put too fine a point on it, but well over half of future teachers will end up either teaching math or a math-heavy field such as science. Meanwhile future linguists, authors, and literature critics might not ever see another equation in their life.

      And yet with Euclidian aplomb they fairly kicked Education majors' butts (by 1.75 standard deviations, no less).

      Ok, we hear your protests. Not every teacher will teach math, granted. So let's look at the Verbal scores.

      The Verbal SAT: Here, Language and Literature majors got their reciprocity, outperforming all other majors with a score of 603. Mathematics majors were forced to lick their wounds 58 points back. But (and you knew this was coming) the Math majors came off as quite cultured in comparison to our soon-to-be public school teachers, beating Education majors by 63 Verbal points!

      This is embarrassing.

      It could be worse: In a comparison of 21 college categories (we're eliminating the non-college categories of "Home Economics" and "Technical and Vocational") Education majors come in third-to-last place on the Math portion. Only "Agriculture or Natural Resources" and "Public Affairs and Services" majors scored worse.

      In the Verbal portion--which should be a teacher's strong point, or so we thought--Education majors took the silver medal in the race for last place. "Public Affairs and Services" again occupied the basement.

      All we can say is, Thank God for government majors.


      The study that these articles and others reference is published by The College Board. However, the links which I found in the reformk12.org article lead to a page and a PDF which have been removed or relocated. If someone wants to spend the time to hunt down the articles on The College Board's web site, I'd love to read the original study.

    24. Re:Personally... by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Individual Income Taxes: totalled $809 billion.

      Corporate Income Taxes: totalled $189.4 billion.

      I would say that there is a bit of a disparity there


      Given that national individual income is more than thirty times national corporate income, I'd say you're right. The corporations are paying taxes you and I would never dream of. (I can tell, because you wouldn't have said something that ill-informed nor made a comparison so obviously bereft of the appropriate numbers, if you had dreamt of it.)

      There's a reason researchers are trained.
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      StoneCypher is Full of BS
  8. Seems a bit odd... by Sledgy · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The article claims that some school districts are making money from on-leasing their unused spectrum. I would have thought that keeping your licenses up to date for something that provides you with income is just good sense.

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  10. They're looking for more money... by tcopeland · · Score: 0, Troll

    ...having just missed their first quarter profit numbers. But their revenue is still fine, 10B a quarter...

  11. Don't even need to decode the answer for this one by Whuffo · · Score: 1
    Sprint / Nextel wants those spectrum allocations for itself. If there wasn't a dollar in it for Sprint, they wouldn't be interested.

    And don't be surprised if after they get these frequencies allocated to themselves they do nothing with them - just to make sure a competitor doesn't have a chance to use them.

    These guys have a long history of bad actions - assume the worst and they won't disappoint you.

  12. Mistake... by Belial6 · · Score: 4, Funny

    You have made a mistake. The proper term for an evil nasty has been officially changed from 'Communist' to 'Terrorist'. I am really surprised that you missed the memo. Please correct the verbiage in any future correspondence.

    1. Re:Mistake... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless you talk to fucktards like Proud NeoCon-Artist over at ALMTTR, he calls anyone who doesn't agree with him either a whiny commie demoncrat terrorists and/or chet for some reason

      http://www.alittlemoretotheright.com/blog/?p=1334

      -Big Daddy

    2. Re:Mistake... by number6x · · Score: 1

      Please read the footnote as well...

      Any Evil Nasty that interferes with the profitability of corporations is an Economic Terrorist.

      Please make note of it.

  13. Include state and local budgets by MaizeMan · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming the numbers you are quoting are for spending by the FEDERAL government. The vast majority of money for K-12 education in this country comes from either the individual states or property taxes at the level of individual school districts. In my home state, education makes up more than half the annual budget, and practically nothing on national defense. So while I agree there is an argument to be made about how much money to spend on the military vs education, quoting numbers solely from the federal budget is going to distort the true relationship between military and education spending.

  14. Schools should give it up by insomniac8400 · · Score: 1

    If they aren't going to renew a license to spectrum they just want to lease out rather than use, they should lose the spectrum. Giving the school spectrum most likely was not done so they could make money off of it. It was most likely done so they could use it for networking.

  15. as a general rule.. by azakem · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Just as a baseline rule, I would be highly suspicous of a private corporation's arguments that strictly enforcing a regulation against non-profits and public entities somehow benefits the public good. Corporations are obligated to act in the interests of their shareholders, not for the public good. There is almost always some matter of consequence that will benefit the corporation that the corporation is not disclosing; in this particular situation, it is not difficult to speculate as to Sprint Nextel's less altruistic motives. I'm not saying that Nextel necessarily has the weaker argument, but I would certainly be more skeptical of their assertions than the article summary.

    1. Re:as a general rule.. by stonecypher · · Score: 1

      Just as a baseline rule, I would be highly suspicous of a private corporation's arguments that strictly enforcing a regulation against non-profits and public entities somehow benefits the public good.
      Y'know, that's exactly the same thing that the telemarketer industry nonprofits say when places like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting steps up and says "you know, there are regulations preventing them from doing this, you guys should step in."

      Anyone who would assume that because one side is a corporation and the other side isn't that the law is suddenly unjust is, frankly, a jackass. There's a reason for those payment terms; it's because other groups, even your precious non-profits, want those spectrums too , and people who can do their books on time should be getting this limited resource. There was no money shortage. The school just didn't pay for two months. You think their phones would get shut off too?

      Just because they're a school doesn't mean they should get a pass on paying their bills, especially when they're not actually struggling to pay. They say they can't handle the extra paperwork; that's crap, as anyone who owns Quicken and watches it do these things automatically, and who knows Quicken costs about the salary of one person for two days, will tell you.

      Stop mistaking the crying of foul for actual foul. Believe it or not, there are jerks in schools too.
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  16. Nextel is the bully by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    In my area, Nextel moved in (several years ago), and "bought" rights to the 800 MHz spectrum. The funny thing was, they came to my business, and said "We see you're using the (currently free) 800MHz spectrum for your truck to HQ communications... How would you like to buy our nifty phones that do what you're doing for free?"

    Obvious answer - hell no.

    Shortly thereafter, Nextel serves us with a notice, telling us that the 800MHz spectrum we're using has been bought by them, and that we are no longer legally allowed to use those frequencies. Therefore, its "logical" that we purchase their system now, or face FCC violation fines.

    Who's the one being hurt here Nextel? Yeah, after that, we have refused to do business with Nextel, and will continue to badmouth them whenever there is an opportunity.

  17. Wha? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Sprint Nextel makes a fairly compelling case that a greater good would be served if the FCC would stop enabling such tardiness.

    A corporation, doing what it's designed to do, never ever ever serves the greater good unless "the profitable thing" happens to line up with "the greater good".

    And seriously, licensing of radio frequencies has come up a number of times on this site previously. I'm always inclined to say that frequency licensing is really stupid and can be solved in another manner these days.
  18. Well, maybe by dj245 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The top 5% of earners paid 53% of the income tax
    The top 1% of earners paid 33% of the income tax
    The bottom 50% of earners paid less than 5% of the income tax


    Don't believe for a second that the tax code leans too heavilly on wealthy people, or that wealthy people are generous with their taxes. The truth is that the top 5% of "earners" are so fantastically wealthy that even with cooking books, taking every deduction, and accounting tricks, the tax% of a #hugenumber still fairly large.

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    1. Re:Well, maybe by maxume · · Score: 1

      Yes, but those numbers make you come up with a more hilarious definition of 'fair' if you want to call current tax apportionment 'unfair'. I saw a thing on CNBC(so take it with a truck of salt) that said that the bottom bracket receives $8 in government services for every dollar they pay in taxes. That's a pretty good deal(and $2 or $4 would still be a good deal).

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    2. Re:Well, maybe by sgarringer · · Score: 1

      It's not so funny when you realize that bottom bracket is only making about $8,000 per year, now is it? Would you like to try to live on $8,000 a year without any government services?

      What is funny is we allow people to make $billions per year, and other people only make $8,000 a year.

      And I don't mean funny in the ha-ha way.

    3. Re:Well, maybe by maxume · · Score: 1

      Are you talking about the US with those numbers? I actually don't feel all that bad for someone working 1500 hours a year at minimum wage. They can make more money by simply working more. They can make more money by acquiring some sort of skill. There is opportunity for the taking.

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    4. Re:Well, maybe by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      They can make more money by simply working more. They can make more money by acquiring some sort of skill. There is opportunity for the taking.
      Sounds like someone who's nhad a firly privileged life.

      Simply working more? What, like there is such an excess of jobs that someone can simply find one when they want to work more hours? And that they'll automatically get hired, even though they may not even be qualified for a lot of miimum wage jobs?

      They can acquire some sort of skill? How, exactly? Can they afford to take classes? Can they afford to be without work while they are taking classes?

      There is opportunity for the taking if you come from the right background. The barriers to most poor taking advantage of that opportunity are too high to be overcome by most.
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    5. Re:Well, maybe by maxume · · Score: 1

      Sure I've had a fairly privileged life, but so have 99.99% of the people in the US. Some people have the attitude that any and all inequality should be addressed by the government; I don't, and I don't have a whole lot of problems with the inequality that exists in the US. Sorry if you think I'm a bastard for that.

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    6. Re:Well, maybe by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're a bastard, though I disagree with your position -- what I have a problem with is that you make blatantly false statements to support your positions.

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    7. Re:Well, maybe by maxume · · Score: 1

      My statements were not blatantly false. It might not be easy as biscuits, but it actually is simply possible for someone working 30 hours a week to go to the library and get a book and read it. This is a simple way for them to acquire new skills. And it seems like the vast majority of people working 30 hours a week can at least make finding more work to do their second job. I'm not saying that they can easily add 5 hours of work a week, but it really is a simple matter for them to put effort towards things that better their station in their life(even if the payoff is not immediate).

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    8. Re:Well, maybe by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      but it actually is simply possible for someone working 30 hours a week to go to the library and get a book and read it
      It's possible for some people to do that, not all. You act like opportunity is universal (even if inequitable), but it's not. Do you think every little town in rural areas has a library? Do you think that every poor person has the spare cash for gas to get to the library, even if they have a car? Or the money for a bicycle? Or the time away from taking care of a family or taking care of basic needs?

      It's not that you are intentionally making false statements I guess, it's that you don't know that they are false.

      And as for learning skills from books at a library -- how exactly is that going to help them get better employment? What skills would they learn that are both able to be learned from books and useful in a poor rural economy? I think you're totally misguided about how the real world works for the poor. Sure, there are more resources for the urban poor -- but don't assume their situation applies to all the poor in the US.
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    9. Re:Well, maybe by maxume · · Score: 1

      I live in one of the poorest rural counties in Michigan. Michigan!

      Po' people thunder by in their V8 pickups all day long, they have plenty of gas money to drive the 4 miles to the nice library in the local village.

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    10. Re:Well, maybe by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Ah, yes, obviously the ones you observe are the only ones in existence. Your sampling is way off, since by default it eliminates those without the resources to get to a library.

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    11. Re:Well, maybe by maxume · · Score: 1

      My thought was more that they aren't universally disadvantaged either. I don't pretend to know how the worst off people live, but I see plenty of people that are pretty close to the bottom that are doing fine.

      To clarify, I don't have any problems with a progressive tax code, but I do have a problem when people make statements to the effect that it isn't progressive, or that it abuses poor people, because it doesn't.

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    12. Re:Well, maybe by Red+Flayer · · Score: 1

      Well, the flip side of it is that a lot of people have no understanding of the plight of the poor in the US. To be sure, it's nothing like the plight of the poor in say, Somalia, or even in India. It's mistaken to believe that equitable opportunity exists for all, because it doesn't. As for whether the tax system abuses the poor, that's ancillary to the non-tax-related hardships of the poor, IMO.

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      "Trolls they were, but filled with the evil will of their master: a fell race..." -- J.R.R. Tolkien on Olog-hai
  19. more complete... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "If you want to quote numbers, you should be complete. Below is a summary"

    You make me laugh. I'll add "complete summary" to my lexicon now.

    Some parts you left out from wikipedia:
    The recent invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan are funded outside the Federal Budget (through supplementary spending bills), so they are not included in the military budget figures listed above. In addition, the United States has black budget military spending which is not listed as Federal spending and is not included in published military spending figures. Other military-related items, like maintenance of the nuclear arsenal and the money spent by the Veterans Affairs Department, are not included in the official budget.

    The current (2005) United States military budget is larger than the military budgets of the next fourteen biggest spenders combined

    According to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, in 2003 the United States spent approximately 47% of the world's total military spending

    and just for kicks:
    military spending is responsible for 12.4% of off topic discussion

  20. What's good for the goose... by Alioth · · Score: 2, Informative

    What's good for the goose is good for the gander.

    If you leaf through the FCC's list of enforcements for failing to renew licenses, some of it reads like the NYSE 100 Telecoms Hall of Fame - with companies like Sprint et al. featuring with reasonable freqency (and others, such as DirecTV). The interesting thing is if an individual or a small firm forgets to renew their license, they get slapped with the same fine as a multibillion dollar multinational telecoms company that should know better. A $10,000 fine for an individual or small firm can be devastating, but for a big multinational, it's probably cheaper to only bother to renew when the enforcement notice comes than employ someone to keep track of the paperwork.

  21. By greater good... by RingDev · · Score: 1

    "Sprint Nextel makes a fairly compelling case that a greater good would be served if the FCC would stop enabling such tardiness."

    So, what exactly do they mean by 'Greater Good'? So far as I can tell the greater good in this case is a larger profit for Sprint Nextel, less revenue for the school district, and higher taxes for land owners. What goodness am I suppose to be excited about?

    -Rick

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  22. hidden taxes, except in Kansas by Gary+W.+Longsine · · Score: 1

    Schools are generating revenue through a variety of, uh, clever means. They lease vending machine space to junk food vendors. This amounts to a hidden tax on the society because schools are now promoting obesity, which results in taxpayers and parents forking over more money for health care down the line. Similarly, the schools are not exactly going to be market efficient spectrum brokers. Public schools should receive their funding from the same source that they receive their mandate. Except in Kansas, where they probably don't believe in radio waves anyway, and they could use the excuse to interact with science.

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  23. Well... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I don't like Sprint-Nextel, but I do think they at least have a case here. Sprint-Nextel isn't trying to pull licenses out from under these schools, they are pointing out that schools allowed the license to lapse, and the FCC retroactively said "That's OK, we'll renew it for you." This is highly irregular. If these schools were really making all that much money off these licenses, it really does seem like they should have been able to keep up on keeping licenses current. Note, in some cases, it wasn't like the license had lapsed for thirty days or something, but had lapsed years ago.

              On the other hand, Sprint-Nextel doesn't have much use for these licenses either, so I could see the court to telling them to take a hike.