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Shredded Secret Police Files Being Reassembled

An anonymous reader writes "German researchers at the Frauenhofer Institute said Wednesday that they were launching an attempt to reassemble millions of shredded East German secret police files using complicated computerized algorithms. The files were shredded as the Berlin Wall fell in 1989 and it became clear that the East German regime was finished. Panicking officials of the Stasi secret police attempted to destroy the vast volumes of material they had kept on everyone from their own citizens to foreign leaders."

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  1. Uh-oh by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    East Germany is fucked now.

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    1. Re:Uh-oh by tezbobobo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You could be right. Apparently, according to a radio report I heard some months ago now, this program and evidence has been in place for some time and the reason they haven't done anything is because of intese political pressure.

  2. Jigsaw Puzzle by biocute · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Maybe someone could create an online jigsaw puzzle game, and let the internet people reassemble those docs.

    1. Re:Jigsaw Puzzle by ricklg · · Score: 5, Funny

      Maybe a new distributed computing project--STASI@Home?

    2. Re:Jigsaw Puzzle by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      The researchers want to see the pieces reassembled into the original documents, not into a crude version of goatse.cx.

    3. Re:Jigsaw Puzzle by BluBrick · · Score: 5, Funny

      STASI@Home is hardly a new project!

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    4. Re:Jigsaw Puzzle by urbanradar · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe someone could create an online jigsaw puzzle game, and let the internet people reassemble those docs.
      Yes, because bored people surfing could re-assemble documents much faster and more reliably than computers ever will. And let's not forget that the entire internet should be able to freely read detailed documentation on the private lives of ordinary people, many of which are still alive today. Perfect idea!
    5. Re:Jigsaw Puzzle by quigonn · · Score: 5, Funny

      Ich jedenfalls heiße unsere neuen ostdeutschen Überlords willkommen.

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  3. Trust? by JackieBrown · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Many important documents are slumbering in these sacks"

    And they will just re-shred the private, personal stuff, correct?

    1. Re:Trust? by shaitand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know what else I love? I love the way they are the vile communist evil secret east german police who spied on their citizens and foreign leaders. Yet our own wonderful friendly giant FBI keeps every scrap of information it gathers on private citizens and the CIA does the same for foreign leaders. Hell, our own secret police (the NSA) probably does both.

    2. Re:Trust? by timmarhy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      because you know, the american agencies don't torture or abduct people... oh wait a sec! they do!

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    3. Re:Trust? by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Funny

      Oh no, we'll be invading the privacy of some dead/near-death OAPs! And we should shred Mozart's letters too, what would Mozart say if he knew we were reading his letters about ####ing his cousin?!

      Dead people don't care too much about their privacy; they're dead. Ask yourself "will I care about my privacy after I'm dead?" If you said yes you probably don't understand what death means.

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    4. Re:Trust? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If I were dead, I may not care about my personal information that would have affected me if I were alive. Though my personal information that may affect my family and friends who are still alive is another thing.

    5. Re:Trust? by Shihar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's because you're only a "bad guy" if you lose. No you are the "bad guy" if you have to build a fucking wall around your nation then station it with mines and machine guns to keep people in it. Last time I checked, western Europe and the US never had to build a fucking wall to keep people from fleeing their nation in terror.

      Seriously people. Get a fucking grip and get over the moral relativism. It was bad. East Germany didn't throw build the Berlin wall for shits and giggles. People were not dancing in the street when it come down (on both sides) because it was the sad end of a merry social experience.
  4. Human efforts? by RealGrouchy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Some 16,250 sacks containing pieces of 45 million shredded documents were found and confiscated after the reunification of Germany in 1990. Reconstruction work began 12 years ago but 24 people have been able to reassemble the contents of only 323 sacks. Bah, just distribute them among nursing homes and tell the seniors it's a jigsaw puzzle.

    They'll have it assembled before you can say "Matlock"!

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  5. shredding is so last week.... by Original+Replica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why didn't they also burn them if they really wanted them gone? C'mon they could make a person vanish, but they can manage to successfully destroy paper?

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  6. Iranian Revolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The Iranian revolutionaries did the same thing to CIA documents in the embassy. The re-assembled documents are available at www.memoryhole.org

    1. Re:Iranian Revolution by delirium+of+disorder · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Iranian revolutionaries did the same thing to CIA documents in the embassy. The re-assembled documents are available at www.memoryhole.org

      I think you mean http://www.thememoryhole.org/

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  7. In Soviet Russia by biocute · · Score: 5, Funny

    Secret police reassembles shredded researchers?

  8. Why do this, you ask? by u-bend · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I think that the pursuit of historical documentation and a better understanding of a strange and dangerous period of the near past should justify the project alone. As someone who grew up as an American in that neck of the woods, pre and post Soviet demise, it's going to be really interesting to see what they find.

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  9. Shredding not safe anymore? by erice · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This could be a little disturbing, if it works. How long before the technology trickles down to the identity thief around the corner? We are now told to shred everything. What happens when shredding is not enough?

    1. Re:Shredding not safe anymore? by bitingduck · · Score: 5, Funny

      This could be a little disturbing, if it works. How long before the technology trickles down to the identity thief around the corner? We are now told to shred everything. What happens when shredding is not enough? I crosscut shred everything, then I put it into the worm composter for the worms to eat. I then feed the worms to pet ducks, and twice a year feed the ducks to guests. I send the guests on camping trips to grizzly country with slabs of bacon for pillows. By the time the bears are done there are only homeopathic traces of the original information from the documents.

  10. Iran Tackled the Same Problem by Comatose51 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Did anyone else read the Wired Article about how the CIA got some Americans out of Iran using a fake cover story about producing a Sci-Fi movie in Iran? After the Iranians took our embassy during their revolution, they hired a bunch of rug weavers to reassemble our shredded documents according to article. Wonder how successful they were...

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  11. Re:Hmmm... by owlnation · · Score: 4, Interesting

    But since the main reason files were shredded was to hide the identities and crimes committed by state employees and ordinary people who spied against their neighbours and caused them to be tortured and killed, this has the potential for explosive consequences.
    Yes, it does indeed. Note that nearly one person in every four in East Berlin was Stasi, or an informant of some sort. However, very few have ever been identified. There will, for certain, be currently prominent or influential people listed in those documents who spied for the Stasi.

    Piecing these together is going to make a lot of people very nervous - as indeed it should.
  12. Das Leben der Anderen by fishbowl · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If you get a chance to see Das Leben der Anderen ("The Lives of Others", http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0405094/), definitely do not miss it. It is a slightly fantastic conflation of plausible events tied together with a story about fictional characters, but it is said, by people who lived in DDR at the time, to be chillingly accurate (though not without problems, it's a movie after all.)

    I'd certainly enjoy hearing from anyone who lived in the DDR, who has seen this film; particularly if they had personal interaction with the STASI.

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  13. Re:Intense political pressure? by macshit · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So, who is pressuring the Fraunhofner(sp?) Institute not to do this? Did Germany's Communist Party gain seats last election?

    Er, what do you think happened to people who were part of the former power structure in east germany?

    Based on what I've heard from someone who lived in east germany at the time, there was a mad scramble to gain advantage when east germany fell, and despite some sort of attempts to hold the "bad guys" to account, there were many cases of things not quite working they way they were supposed to -- e.g. people successfully hiding their past, and even worse, people cynically using the system to gain personal advantage (e.g., denounce your [innocent] neighbor, grab his property in the confusion).

    As a result, there are almost certainly many people in positions of power in germany today who would rather like to keep details of the east german past hidden.

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  14. Stasi files by harmonica · · Score: 5, Interesting

    there might be some Western leaders as well who would not like their secret files to be made public...

    No "might" necessary, there are Western leaders and others who don't want their Stasi (secret police) files public. Former West German chancellor Kohl successfully sued to keep his files under wraps.

    That's for the simple reason that those files often contain the most private details of what the Stasi had assembled using bugs and other means. Besides, nobody can easily check what is true and what they might have falsified in those files. After all, we're talking about a totalitarian regime which shot people trying to leave the country illegally.

    However, all that doesn't mean that there won't be investigations if German authorities find something interesting in those files. So some people do have to fear that their past surfaces, but not from publication of the files.

    Movie recommendation on the topic: this year's Best Foreign Language film at the Academy Awards, The Lives of Others.