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Norway Moves Towards Mandatory Use of ODF and PDF

Andy Updegrove writes "Norway has become the latest European country to move closer to mandatory government use of ODF (and PDF). According to a press release provided in translation to me by an authoritative source, Norway now joins Belgium, Finland, and France (among other nations) in moving towards a final decision to require such use. The Norwegian recommendation was revealed by Minister of Renewal Heidi Grande Roys, on behalf of the Cabinet-appointed Norwegian Standards Council. If adopted, it would require all government agencies and services to use these two formats, and would permit other formats (such as OOXML) to be used only in a redundant capacity.Reflecting a pragmatic approach to the continuing consideration of OOXML by ISO/IEC JTC 1, the recommendation calls for Norway to 'promote the convergence of the ODF and OOXML, in order to avoid having two standards covering the same usage.' According to the press release, the recommendation will be the subject of open hearings, with opinions to be rendered to the Cabinet before August 20 this summer.The Cabinet would then make its own (and in this case binding) recommendation to the Norwegian government."

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  1. I hate PDF by SQLGuru · · Score: 3, Informative

    First, let me say that I like the concept of a single file format that can be read by any computer and displays in a consistent manner. From that aspect, I applaud PDF.

    However, the current implementation requires that I have a bloated reader that typically includes Additional Crap (tm) in the installation which installs by default (if even given the option). The reader insists in "improving performance" by running a program in my system tray for which I must remove the configuration myself (no option).

    This is also the same reason that I hate Quick Time, so it isn't limited to a single file type.

    Layne

    1. Re:I hate PDF by Englabenny · · Score: 5, Informative

      There is no such requirement. Many operating systems (Ubuntu, OS X, and probably everyone except .. ) bundle other lighter and nicer PDF viewers because they are nicer to the users.

      Is it a question of time before a lightweight, free software pdf reader captures the windows userbase as well?

    2. Re:I hate PDF by tajmorton · · Score: 5, Informative

      However, the current implementation requires that I have a bloated reader that typically includes Additional Crap (tm) in the installation which installs by default (if even given the option).

      Try another PDF viewer. KPDF and XPDF are both great for Linux/X users. For a barebones Windows viewer, try SumatraPDF.

      If you're stuck with Adobe Acrobat for some reason, then you might try these instructions to make Acrobat run a lot faster.

      Just thoughts...
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    3. Re:I hate PDF by Constantine+XVI · · Score: 2, Informative

      err, Foxit Reader (win), KPDF (kde), Evince (GNOME), whatever OSX's built-in reader is, XPDF?
      I don't remember the last time I used Acrobat

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    4. Re:I hate PDF by Oswald · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's amazing how slowly word is getting around, but you do not have to put up with Adobe's bullshit. This company makes a no-cost reader that absolutely blows Acrobat Reader away. It's lightweight, fast, stable and when you close the window, the process actually stops instead of just sitting in the background, screwing up your system.

    5. Re:I hate PDF by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Remove the acrotray entry from all the registry {HKLM,HKCU}\...\Run keys that list it

      Or did you mean "how do I return my nerd badge?"? /grin

    6. Re:I hate PDF by julesh · · Score: 3, Informative

      I'm still using acrobat 5. It opens in less than half a second, uses only 12 megabytes of disk space, doesn't have a notification area icon, and just seems to me to work better than more recent versions. I've yet to find a PDF file I wanted to read that doesn't work (although it has now reached the point that almost all pop up a message saying they might not work properly, yet they always do).

      Or, as other posters suggest, use an entirely different program.

    7. Re:I hate PDF by SCHecklerX · · Score: 3, Informative

      Is it a question of time before a lightweight, free software pdf reader captures the windows userbase as well?

      foxit reader
    8. Re:I hate PDF by egamma · · Score: 2, Informative

      "System Tray" is the end of the toolbar in Windows opposite the Start button, and typically contains the clock and various running programs. Your "bloated Operating system", unless you are running a text-only OS, has an area of the screen that contains something similar--system clock at least.

      You shouldn't criticize something just because you don't know what it is. Simply admit your ignorance, and we'll be happy to enlighten you.

  2. That is insane. by McDutchie · · Score: 1, Informative

    Government should not be in the business of making specific technical decisions that are inevitably subject to obsolescence. They should mandate general principles. Mandating the use of open, patent-free formats = good. Mandating the use of an open but specific format (not to mention a contrived mess such as ODF) = bad.

  3. Re:When will the US join? by zappepcs · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't know if they will be last, but I can say that this can only be good news. Open standards for documents. The mere fact that MS is fighting this with a 'standard' of their own should be indication enough to anyone that MS means to keep them locked into MS products.

    Sure, they (MS) think the MS OpenXML thingy is better, that's their job to think that way. The simple truth is that an open standard would comoditize MS products.

    I'm going to bet that the Internet community in general will simple work its way around to ODF without MS and MS formats will slowly die off. Enough people and governments are asking for it, it will eventually happen. Many businesses really don't care as long as all their users can use the new and the old documents without training.

  4. KPDF? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Informative

    Err, ..., kpdf?

  5. Think railway guages by Silver+Sloth · · Score: 3, Informative

    Exactly the same argument could have been made for railway guages, and yes, here in the UK we curse the decision to use 4'8.5" (I think, I'm sure someone will correct me) instead of Brunell's 6' but at least rolling stock can run on most tracks in the country.

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  6. What about Okular? by orzetto · · Score: 4, Informative

    I like KPDF as well and that's my default viewer, but look at what is coming: Okular promises to be, if not an Acroread killer, at least a very serious contender. Note that this is KDE4 stuff (ergo Qt4, ergo it may easily be on Windows machines by year's end!).

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  7. A good PDF viewer I recently found by malsdavis · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sumatra PDF is a good lightweight (under 1mb) freeware PDF viewer for Windows.

    It opens PDF files extremely quickly (usually in less than a second on my rather average computer, compared to an average of almost 10 secs with Adobe Reader) and doesn't try to takeover you computer and run your life etc. I've also yet to find a PDF which doesn't display correctly with it.

    Website: http://blog.kowalczyk.info/software/sumatrapdf/

  8. Technical comparison by seandiggity · · Score: 4, Informative

    A white paper based on a technical comparison between the ODF and OOXML formats

    ...the OOXML "standard" is terrible from a technical point-of-view, even if you forget about Microsoft's motivation behind it.

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  9. Re:When will the US join? by bentcd · · Score: 2, Informative

    So, we'll make a bi-lateral treaty -- we'll accept the metric system as our official measuring standard as soon as France accepts English as its official language.
    I'm afraid you're a little for this one - that particular deal was struck long ago: Britain would accept the French metric system for mapmaking purposes if France would agree to use the Greenwich meridian. You will have to find some other bargaining chip if you want to avoid looking like a sore loser :-)

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  10. Re:Finland ain't Scandinavia by zokum · · Score: 3, Informative

    Norwegian doesn't come in two variants you dolt. There's a multitude of dialects that vary a lot and two written forms based on these. One is bokmål and the other is nynorsk. Bokmål, literally, book-language, is mostly based on danish, while nynorsk is closer to the original old norse language. From a linguistic point, nynorsk is the natural successor of old norse while bokmål is a norwegianized danish. Very few people actually speak like the forms are written, most speak some sort of dialect where a lot of the 'correct' grammar orally is not correct if written.

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  11. Re:When will the US join? by cheater512 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I thought Chinese was the most common language not English. :P

  12. Re:And during the next elections... by Kjella · · Score: 2, Informative
    Yeah... You have no idea how envious Norwegians get of people who make more than themselves, especially if it is not deserved. Not long ago there was a huge uproar over one of the politicians getting a personal trainer covered by her party. And socialism here isn't a fringe group, they pretty much _are_ the government. It's only the shade that differs.

    Amen. Let me try to draw a picture of the Norwegian political landscape, on a socialist / capitalist axis:
    • Socialist left
    • Labour party
      • Centre party
      • Christian party
      • Liberal party
        • Conservative party
        • Progress party
    Our country is being run by a coalition of the two leftmost and one small central party. Now, you're probably wondering where the US parties are. Well, they're roughly a foot to the right of your screen.
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  13. Re:So why not just LaTeX? by asninn · · Score: 2, Informative

    LaTeX3 is being developed actively. I don't really know anything about it, and I don't know if it gets rid of (La)TeX's quirks, but... one can hope, and it might be worth looking into.

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