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USPTO Examiner Rejected 1-Click Claims As "Obvious"

theodp writes "Faced with a duly unimpressed USPTO examiner who rejected its new 1-Click patent claims as 'obvious' and 'old and well known,' Amazon has taken the unusual step of requesting an Oral Appeal to plead its case. And in what might be interpreted by some as an old-fashioned stalling tactic, the e-tailer has also canceled and refiled its 1-Click claims in a continuation application. As it touted the novelty of 1-Click to Congress last spring, Amazon kept the examiner's rejection under its hat, insisting that 'still no [1-Click] prior art has surfaced.' The Judiciary Committee hearing this testimony included Rick Boucher (VA) and Howard Berman (CA), both recipients of campaign contributions from a PAC funded by 1-Click inventor Jeff Bezos, other Amazon execs, and their families."

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  1. Computers automate work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Probably 99% of patents where computers do work that could be done tediously and manually should be shot down.

    1. Re:Computers automate work by fmstasi · · Score: 5, Interesting

      No, all software patents should be shot down. Patents should only be given to inventions which operate in the physical world — mechanical devices, tools, electronic equipment, and so on. Patenting software is (more or less) patenting algorithms, and therefore to patenting mathematics; on the other hand, research works much better if information is shared freely. Also, software is already covered by copyright, so protecting it with patents also is overkill. Also... well, there are many reasons why software patents are a terrible idea. Everybody with an interest more than casual in the subject whould get familiar with the arguments given in http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/.

    2. Re:Computers automate work by fmstasi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, that's the beauty of Wikipedia: I read the section of the article you quoted, and in this case I don't trust the author. Here is the text of the cited Article 52 (http://www.european-patent-office.org/legal/epc/e /ar52.html):

      Article 52
      Patentable inventions
      (1) European patents shall be granted for any inventions which are susceptible of industrial application, which are new and which involve an inventive step.
      (2) The following in particular shall not be regarded as inventions within the meaning of paragraph 1:
      (a) discoveries, scientific theories and mathematical methods;
      (b) aesthetic creations;
      (c) schemes, rules and methods for performing mental acts, playing games or doing business, and programs for computers;
      (d) presentations of information.
      (3) The provisions of paragraph 2 shall exclude patentability of the subject-matter or activities referred to in that provision only to the extent to which a European patent application or European patent relates to such subject-matter or activities as such.
      (4) Methods for treatment of the human or animal body by surgery or therapy and diagnostic methods practised on the human or animal body shall not be regarded as inventions which are susceptible of industrial application within the meaning of paragraph 1. This provision shall not apply to products, in particular substances or compositions, for use in any of these methods.

      So, "programs for computers" (and algorithms, mind you) are not patentable, period. IF you use a program for computers in a LARGER system, the system as a whole is (maybe) patentable. The point is not whether you solve a "technical problem" with the program; what else could you be doing, turning the computer's fingers?...

  2. I remember hearing about the 1 click patent by burris · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in '95 or '96. We all thought it was so plainly obvious. In fact, the key thing that makes one-click shopping possible, the browser cookie, was put into the browser specifically for the purpose of associating a browser/session with stored data on the back end (payment/shipping details, purchase list.) The reason nobody did it is because engineers thought it was a BAD IDEA. Forcing people to enter their credit card and billing address details was a form of SECURITY. Being able to purchase things with one click was just too easy. Someone could come up to your computer and ring up a bunch of charges. Keeping payment details for thousands of customers on your computer was deemed too large a risk. It wasn't until the Marketeers at Amazon thought this was a good idea that it came about.

    However, I think the fact that the cookie support was already in the browser is proof that the claims of the patent were obvious.

    1. Re:I remember hearing about the 1 click patent by catbutt · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well if what you say is true, no one should really complain if no one but Amazon can do it. After all, its a bad idea.

      Just sayin'.

  3. There is prior art by jkechel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stellar_Crisis .. this game is from 1993, and you can buy in-game things with only one click. DONE

  4. Re:Standard Patent Prosecution Procedure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Mostly correct and I am glad someone said it, but ... minor point
    It would be more interesting to find that they were given a divisional; implying validity.
    Actually a divisional (aka a restriction requirement) says absolutely nothing about validity. What it says is you have a lot of claims in your application and the Examiner isn't going to be bothered to look at all of them. Split the application into multiple applications (so the Examiner gets more points, and the PTO more money) and then they'll look at the claims.

    Yes, pretty much everything gets a 103 (obvious) rejection. Sometimes this only means your Examiner put all your key words into a search engine and cited 5 unrelated pieces of prior art against you (i.e. the lazy Examiner). Sometimes, the 103 is well done. Merely telling me you have a 103 rejection tells me little.

    A continuation isn't a stalling tactic. It is a way to get better claims with the same filing date as the original, but after getting a look at the cited prior art. Perfectly normal. In fact, you often use a continuation with a "bird in the hand" strategy. You take the claims the Examiner allows in the parent application (which then issue as a patent), and then continue to argue the unallowed claims in the continuation. There is no stalling. Actually, a continuation is quicker than an appeal.

    I am glad to see an Examiner taking Official Notice. They do it rarely and even more rarely do it correctly. There is a correct way to take Official Notice and so few Examiner's follow it.

    Also the Oral Hearing in the Appeal is unusual, but something they are allowed by right. What is usual is waiving that right and just not showing up. But if Amazon has DC based attorneys, the PTO is just down the road.

  5. "Put it on my tab" by dfoulger · · Score: 5, Insightful

    One-click has been around as long as bartenders have been extending credit to known customers, but I suppose you can't see prior art rising when its obscured by a head of foam.

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    Davis http://davis.foulger.net
  6. Re:Prior art or not by petermgreen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Patents exist so investition in research and development can be reimbused
    no they exist (at least under the american system) primerally to discourage trade secrets. You give your invention to the public in exchange for getting a time limited (and unlike copyrights patent time limits havn't exactly spiraled out of control) monopoly on the invention. Whether your idea is the result of years of R&D or a stroke of genius isn't really relavent.

    sadly the system has been abused in a number of ways
    1: obviousness: many patents give soloutions that would be obvious when presented with the problem. This means that next time someone runs into that problem they either have to pay the patent holder a license fee (if the patent holder will even accept one), take the legal risk of ignoring the patent or try and find a less obvious (and possiblly less efficiant) soloution to the same problem.
    2: prior art: again the system has been very poor at recognising prior art leading to people getting and keeping patents for things that are already public.
    3: areas patentable: a number of new areas (software, buisness methods) were made patentable by court descisions bypassing the normal procedures of governement. Now other countries are being pressured into making those things patentable as well. The lack of patented prior art (which is all the PTO seems to care about) means theese areas suffer from 1 and 2 far more than other areas.

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