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Bush Causes Cell Phone Ban

An anonymous reader writes "When President George Bush visits Sydney, Australia for the APEC Summit in September, all cell phone calls within the radius of a football field will be suppressed. The president's motorcade will be shadowed by a helicopter equipped with signal-jamming equipment. Terrorists have used mobile phones to detonate remote-controlled bombs in Iraq and elsewhere in the world." There are other ways to detonate explosives remotely. Doesn't seem like the smartest thing to let potential enemies know of such plans in advance.

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  1. Should read... by Magada · · Score: 5, Funny

    Title should read "Al-Qaeda scare causes widespread FUD in US and Aussie govts".

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    1. Re:Should read... by Architect_sasyr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm not likely to be a terrorist soon, but don't these people know what REDUNDANT control's are?

      That said, I have no doubts that said helicopter will also take out 802.11 signals because only a really dumb team would jam only mobile signals. As far as I am concerned the only reason these plans have been "leaked" is because people would otherwise be calling their Telco going "WTF MY PHONE DROPPED OUT".

      So yeah, ten points for a great idea, but try and think like a terrorist, and then how would you defend against that. I'm happy enough to bash the administration as much as the next guy (personally I think Howard [aussie PM] is a dick, but better than the alternatives), but sometimes we need to step back from the abuse and look at what we're really talking about...

      My $0.02 AU

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    2. Re:Should read... by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 3, Funny

      Either that or "Yippee! Slashdot Editors Find Yet Another Lame Excuse to Bash Bush Administration"...from the 'Anything-we-can-get-our-hands-on' department. Having Borderline Personality Disorder is a prerequisite to being a /. editor. Apparently you didn't get the memo.
    3. Re:Should read... by joedoc · · Score: 3, Informative

      Maybe even something a little more...errr...honest:

      Australian Security Bans Cell Phones For Bush Visit

      I also have to question why this is even worthy of space on this site, especially since the linked story reminds us that this has been done before:

      The technology was first used by the US president when Bush attended the APEC summit in Pusan, South Korea, in 2005.

      Someone search the /. archives and see if there was a story about this back then.

      By the way, this is probably a lot more routine than people realize. In October 2004, the President was making campaign stops around Florida in the days leading up to the election. He made an appearance at Alltel Stadium in Jacksonville on a Saturday afternoon. At one point, Air Force One overflew the stadium on the way to Jacksonville International Airport. A few moments later, Secret Service and other security people began to appear on the field and near the tunnels. At one point, I took out my phone and tried to make a call, but had no signal.

      This was in an open-air NFL stadium, surrounded by cell towers, on the edge of the downtown of a fairly large city. I also know that my service is always available, since I have Jaguars season tickets and have been in that building over 110 times since 1995. And my cell phone always worked, especially when the folks at my job called in the middle of a game to complain about server or internet outages.

      Time to let this go, lefties.

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    4. Re:Should read... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      So yeah, ten points for a great idea, but try and think like a terrorist, and then how would you defend against that.

      That should be obvious: Trigger the bomb by the jamming signal. As soon as the mobile phone doesn't find a network any more, the bomb is triggered. Additional call triggering can be used in case there just happens to be no jamming (in which case calling the phone would obviously work).
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    5. Re:Should read... by xENoLocO · · Score: 4, Funny

      Remember. The terrorists are not winning.

      *jedi hand movement*

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    6. Re:Should read... by gfxguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course. Then it goes off long before Bush is actually in range.

      Silly Secret Service, don't you know suicide bombers are for kids? When they realize they can't do it remotely, someone will "martyr" themselves to get the job done. That's the insidiousness of Islamic fascists.

      That said, doing something is better than doing nothing. A lot of the complaints here seem to be along the lines of "why lock my car door when someone can steal my stereo by breaking the window anyway?"

      It just means you'll be limiting your opponents to only very serious players instead of wannabes.

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    7. Re:Should read... by Anonymous+Brave+Guy · · Score: 5, Funny

      So yeah, ten points for a great idea, but try and think like a terrorist, and then how would you defend against that.

      <obligatory>

      “Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.” — George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., 5 August 2004

      </obligatory>
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    8. Re:Should read... by BakaHoushi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're assuming liberals (true liberals, anyway) think democrats are liberal. Not even close. Is there even a single liberal who's been elected in the last 30 years? Heck, has there been a true CONSERVATIVE either?

      In my humble opinion, no. We've only had Opportunists. Both parties favor large cash donations from large groups.

      Doing the right thing, at this point, will require saying unpopular things, making unpopular decisions, acting out of principle, and self-sacrifice. Honestly, I don't expect that from anyone in Washington.

      And on one other note, some people may bash Bush not because he's a Republican, but because he's a HORRIBLE president. Not to mention the only one. Being in the spotlight tends to draw attention from all sides.

      (And yes, his being a "horrible" president is an opinion, but I base that opinion based on the facts that he started an unnecessary war, LIED intentionally to start that war, gave people awards for messing up that war, has refered to the Constitution as "just a piece of paper," demonstrated ineptitude to lead under emergencies [See: Initial reaction to 9/11, Katrina], unwillingness to try new methods, or even just give up old ones when they don't work, or even ADMIT that his methods don't work [HOW many times have we heard "we're making progress" in Iraq?], and, intentional or not, the utter genocide of innocent English words. And yes, in nearly every instance listed, he is not FULLY to blame, but he certainly shares credit.)

    9. Re:Should read... by IllForgetMyNickSoonA · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Even if your story is true, which I somehow doubt (as another poster pointed out, signal jammers don't cause you to not have the signal at all), it's something else that bothers me more deeply.

      See, it's YOUR preseident. As far as I'm concerned, you can do whatever you wish to help keep him alive: turn off the cell-phone network completely, jam all radio signals imaginable, turn off the GPS, glue everybodies eyelids together, so that nobody can aim a sniper at him - I don't care. AS LONG AS YOU DO IT IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD. Sorry for shouting, but I'm somehow afraid otherwise you won't get it.

      Traveling to OTHER countries and terrorizing OTHER people - who never elected Mr. Bush, moreover who very probably don't give a flying fuck about him - by forcing the local authorities to turn off the cell phone network respectively block the traffic along the route he is supposed to take, is what bothers me! He's not the first president of the USA to travel abroad, you know, but for reasons of overblown security measures interfering with other people's lives in very unpleasant ways, he's most probably the least wellcome one.

      I just hope no locals will have to pay for this little trip of his with their lives because of not being able to dial an emergency number when neccessary.

    10. Re:Should read... by Nimey · · Score: 3, Insightful

      That's what his worshippers believe, anyway.

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    11. Re:Should read... by Agripa · · Score: 3, Informative

      This depends on exactly what your signal strength meter is measuring.

      For FM receivers, quieting and not RF signal strength is normally measured which is roughly analogous to demodulated signal to noise level or bit error rate. Using a non coherent jamming signal will lower any measured signal strength. You might notice that tuning an FM receiver to an empty channel returns large amounts of demodulated noise and an indication of zero signal strength.

      For AM and SSB receivers, signal strength is taken from either the automatic gain control or directly from the signal level. A jamming signal will directly show up in the signal strength indicator just like it would with a spectrum analyser.

      Cell phones of course using complex modulation encompassing both FM and AM could read signal strength in any number of ways. If I were designing a jamming system, I would rely on using a denial of service through the base stations with or without cooperation first, jamming the control frequencies second, and jamming the data channels third.

    12. Re:Should read... by radtea · · Score: 5, Interesting

      That said, doing something is better than doing nothing. A lot of the complaints here seem to be along the lines of "why lock my car door when someone can steal my stereo by breaking the window anyway?"

      There are at least two legitimate concerns:

      1) Various fairly obvious terrorist responses to these counter-measures will greatly increase the danger to bystanders without materially reducing the risk to the President.

      2) There is some suspicion that this has more to do with making it harder for legitimate democratic protesters to co-ordinate their actions than it does with preventing terrorism.

      Whether either of those things is sufficient to trump the needs of presidential security is a matter for debate, unlike the nearly-zero-cost behaviour of locking your car doors to protect your stereo. There is a point where people are going to say, "Enough! We've had it with all the intrusions into our daily lives in the name of counter-terrorist activity. I come from a society that has always valued liberty over security, and this is more than I am willing to give up."

      While the particular policy of jamming cell phones is relatively minor, it is symbolic of many other more significant intrusions.

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  2. Sure its not exclusive by gravesb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sure that this isn't the only countermeasure that they are taking. Its good to publish this one, though, so people know in advance their cell phones won't work. The other counter measures probably don't affect personal electronic devices in the same manner.

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    1. Re:Sure its not exclusive by Dog-Cow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You fail to realize that the "someone else" would be Cheney. I think Americans are more afraid for Bush's life right now than Bush himself could possibly be.

    2. Re:Sure its not exclusive by VJ42 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You could say this would be a major coup for whatever terrorist organisation pulls it off but it wouldn't be if you didn't let it and just shrugged your shoulders "So, you killed the president. So what ? Someone else is doing his job now". Bingo, you got it in one, that's exactly what our respnse should be to all terrorist attacks; over here we learned quickly that the best response to the IRA was to carry on about our bussiness, but just to remain a little more vigilant. Unfortuneately in the post 11/9/2001 world, our leaders seem to have forgotten that lesson, and instead are placing ever more draconaian and stupid "security meausures" in place to protect us from a vague threat that's extremely unlikely to affect 99% of the population even if the worst occoured. This is all the more puzzling as the provos (and now the dissidents) made Al Quiada look like amaturs.
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    3. Re:Sure its not exclusive by CmdrGravy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I agree, this puzzles me too. I remember when the IRA were in full swing, every so often we'd see a bombing or something on the news, there were posters in swimming baths warning you about bombs and there was a lack of rubbish bins in stations and that was it. I don't remember us needing half the special measures we seem to require now despite the fact on their record alone the IRA were far far more of a threat to the UK than Al-Quaeda are or likely will ever be.

  3. Just curious by Mateo_LeFou · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What's the legality of using signal-jamming equipment? I mean for non-presidents. Obviously, whatever the president does is always legal.

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    1. Re:Just curious by NatasRevol · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think you're resisting the sarcasm in that comment...

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  4. Helicopter by MECC · · Score: 4, Funny

    Will people be able to hear anything he says in the open with a helicopter overhead?

    Oh wait that's right - it won't matter.

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    1. Re:Helicopter by Hijacked+Public · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If you are around US military helicopters much you quickly discover that our newer stuff is fairly stealthy.

      Most of the heavy troop transports still sound like they do in movies about Vietnam, but the light ones and most of the attack helicopters are very quiet once they get up to speed. Presumably the one assigned to Bush will be flying high enough to keep the rotor wash from mussing his hair so I doubt the crowd will hear it at all.

      It really is spooky to look over your shoulder and see an attack helicopter floating a couple hundred yards away when you had to idea it was even there.

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    2. Re:Helicopter by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      It really is spooky to look over your shoulder and see an attack helicopter floating a couple hundred yards away when you had to idea it was even there.

      Especially when you aren't anywhere near a war zone or military base, and it happens repeatedly as you're leaving work or headed to the movies. What do you want from me, Mysterious Apache Pilot?!

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  5. Helicopter? by carpe_noctem · · Score: 3, Funny

    The president's motorcade will be shadowed by a helicopter equipped with signal-jamming equipment.

    I'm just hoping it's not black, for the sake of the tinfoil-hat crowd...

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  6. I've wondered about this... by SCHecklerX · · Score: 4, Insightful

    With the terrorists probably not using the most advanced triggering mechanisms, couldn't the jamming itself cause a bomb to go off? Anybody who understands how it all works, please comment.

    1. Re:I've wondered about this... by Dan+East · · Score: 4, Informative

      They typically wire the detonator in place of the vibrator motor in the phone. The motor is (relatively) large, the leads are fairly easy to access, the power source is continuous DC (unlike speakers, which is an analog signal), and it almost certainly is provided the most amperage of any other component in the phone. They then set the phone on vibrate, attach the explosives, and call the phone when they want it to detonate.

      Obviously the digital communication required to uniquely address the ESN of the phone, do the proper handshaking, and inform the phone that there is an incoming call is quite complex. The odds of a jamming signal being mistaken for the exact trunk-side communication required to indicate a call is infinitesimally small.

      Dan East

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    2. Re:I've wondered about this... by Dan+East · · Score: 3, Interesting

      More information can be found here. Of course, if they had some idea of when the event was going to happen, they could also schedule an alarm for the latest time they want the device to detonate. So they detonate manually if possible, and it falls back on the alarm if the signal is blocked. The article I referenced discusses many factors, such as timers, jamming, the lithium ion battery itself being part of the ignition source, and why law enforcement doesn't have access to jamming equipment (including the FCC sections prohibiting jamming).

      Dan East

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  7. Re:Uhm.. by MindStalker · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Unless your talking about a really big fing bomb (which these terrorist generally don't use and if they had wouldn't need cellphones etc to use) the blast range is a few feet at best. Meaning it will receive the jamming long before there is anything interesting to blow up.

  8. But seriously by Magada · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Security theater at its very best, folks... Only there may be an ulterior motive here. The Seattle WTO riots were co-ordinated via cellphone. Someone has taken the lesson to heart. Oh well, it's back to walkie-talkies for the concerned activists.

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    1. Re:But seriously by Lehk228 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Don't take the propaganda bait by lumping in legitimate activists with agents provocateurs sent by the government.

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  9. A more useful application by Rik+Sweeney · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Put this technology into cinemas.

    1. Re:A more useful application by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      No way. Then theaters will have to pay millions upgrading audio systems to drown out the helicopters.

      I say we just punch the fuckers.

  10. Speaking of more than one way... by rjamestaylor · · Score: 5, Informative

    There are other ways to detonate explosives remotely. Doesn't seem like the smartest thing to let potential enemies know of such plans in advance.
    What makes you think this is the only countermeasures they are employing? Perhaps they just want to get the word out about why a helicopter is tailing the President and why people's cell phones seem to be losing signal in his powerful presence. That is, maybe they want to explain the obvious stuff in advance.
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  11. Sounds pretty mild by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Interesting

    They practically wanted to take over London when he visited. US agents were to be armed and given ridiculous powers (the we can shoot who we want and are not to be held accountable was particularly amusing). The usual visiting dignatary events were ignored and large portions of the city were closed to the public if Bush was anywhere near.

    The heavy handed approach is a really good way to make a very poor impression with the citizens of nation you are visiting.

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    1. Re:Sounds pretty mild by Cow+Jones · · Score: 3, Interesting

      US agents were to be armed and given ridiculous powers [..] large portions of the city were closed to the public

      The same thing happened when he visited Vienna (Austria), my home town. Vienna is one of the safest cities in the world, but that day we heard the sound of helicopters non-stop, and there was a general uneasiness in the air, probably caused by the many radio and TV announcements. The US Secret Service took over the city, the airport, etc, and the local police were told to aid them and follow their lead. Parts of our public transport system were cut off, people had to carry a permit to enter the inner city, and I couldn't even go visit my parents. To top it off, for a few hours the central area was totally off limits to practically everybody, because his wife wanted to go shopping. Very poor impression if you ask me.

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  12. 911 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Help, i need the police! The presidents motorcade is approaching and I can see a sni.. hello? hello?!

  13. Re:Cellphone bomb FUD news by errxn · · Score: 3, Funny

    What the terrorists should do is still rig a phone up to a bomb that detonates a second after phone signal is lost. They'd better hope they're not using Sprint.
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  14. Hang on... by itsdapead · · Score: 3, Insightful

    a helicopter equipped with signal-jamming equipment

    So much for mobile phone radio frequencies interfering with saftey-critical avionics! I guess milirtary helicopters don't have the most vulneable equipment (namely the credit card readers in seatback phones).

    In other news: President stung to death by bees driven into a frenzy by mobile phone radiation... (Yes, yes I know the mobile phones affect bees thing has been debuinked).

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  15. The symbolism is gorgeous by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To have Bush covered in a cone of reduced civil liberties is perhaps the most honest herald to ever signal a leader's presence.

    His "legacy" practically writes itself.

  16. "Movie plot" security by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Informative

    This is a perfect example of what Bruce Schneier calls "movie plot security" - looks good to have black helicopters flying around but doesn't really achieve much.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=movie+plot+security

    PS: Yes, the Madrid bombers used cell phones to detonate the bombs, but they didn't do it by calling the 'phone. They used the alarm clock function.

    PPS: How till this prevent suicide bombers, etc.?

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    1. Re:"Movie plot" security by JonathanR · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't know what everyone is banging on about. Everyone here knows that if you go Bush the mobile coverage is piss poor, no matter how good the propaganda from Telstra.

    2. Re:"Movie plot" security by AdmiralWeirdbeard · · Score: 5, Funny

      "PPS: How till this prevent suicide bombers, etc.?"

      Homicide bombers, please.
      When you dont use the Bush-approved propaganda buzzwords, the terrorists win.
      And God kills kittens. Thousands of kittens each time.
      Think of the kittens.

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  17. American or Australian? by eck011219 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Is that an American football field or an Australian Rules football field?

    Seriously, though, can't we just use yards or meters? I don't know about other countries, but here in the U.S. we spend more mental energy envisioning big rotating or end-to-end football fields around or next to things.

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  18. Schneier's Comments by trawg · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Bruce Schneier has already commented on this and the effectiveness of such a measure. He's written about things like this before - it's interesting, once you start thinking about security related issues (especially if you read his blog, I guess :), you read an article like this and go "well, gee, I guess now The Evil Terrorists know this one particular method won't work, they can just cross it off their project plan for this particular event and focus on other more effective measures".

    Also, hopefully noone has an actual emergency while this thing is going past. I'd hate for someone to have a heart attack or be trying to call in a fire or something and not be able to use their cell phone. Or dial for the police in case they see suspicious people near the motorcade. You know, like people with beards.

  19. wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong, wrong... by _.-+thimk!+-._ · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I hear this suggested periodically, and it's, simply put, a very poor idea, that's not been thought through at all.

    There are a lot of us who DO really have to have cellphones and pagers active 24x7, who are also smart and polite enough to put them on vibrate only, and to leave the theater if we need to respond. And, no, I'm not just talking geeks. That includes members of the medical and law enforcement professions, as well, where receiving an unexpected page or call really may be critical, and yes (not trying to be melodramatic), might just save someone's life.

    Stop thinking technology is the answer to what is a SOCIAL problem. Grow a spine, and hold people responsible for their actions and their effect upon others around them, rather than trying to hide behind a bad technological band aid.

    The answer is NOT to restrict the use of technology for those who use it properly, but to throw the asshats who are disruptive out of the theater, regardless of whether or not they happen to have a phone, or a pager.

    (God forbid that anyone should actually have any personal responsibility, or actually have to confront someone obnoxious.)

    </rant>

    We now return you to your regularly scheduled pithy remarks about the idiocy of using this technology to attempt to protect a man so (deservedly) loathed that they think something like this might actually be necessary. I, of course, refer to the continuing dissemination of FUD, not the jamming, per se.

  20. They have won! by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 3, Funny

    When I can't talk on my phone while drinking a cup of coffee, and reading the paper, and watching TV, while driving to work in my SUV... the terrorists have won.

  21. So America Wizened up... by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

    So America has finally wizened and have sent Bush to a penal colony. Good on ya, Mates!

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  22. Re:Nothing screams low key approach... by kalirion · · Score: 3, Funny

    No need to inform him in "real time", there's at least a 7 minute buffer.

  23. The one they would have loved to print by gd23ka · · Score: 3, Funny

    "When President George Bush visits Sydney, Australia for the APEC Summit in September, all dissent within the radius of a 5km of the visiting dignitary will be suppressed with immediate lethal force. During the days of the visit, curfew will begin one hour earlier and last one hour longer.

    Kids! Parents! Let's give Mr. Bush a cheery welcome to Australia! Additional chocolate rations have been approved for minors under the age of 16 wishing to cheer President Bush, these will be available after each event. Adults will receive $10 for each cheering event, please contact your police department for further details."