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13-Year-Old CEO Steals the Show At TiECON
An anonymous reader tells us about a 13-year old Silicon Valley CEO with a plan to change the way kids learn chemistry. Yesterday he stole the show at TiECON 2007, the big entrepreneur conference held in Santa Clara, CA. VentureBeat has the story and a video interview. The company's VP of sales is the CEO's sister. She's 11. They're looking for $100K to ramp up production and distribution.
Err, that's the whole point of the article.
At least that help to demonstrate that a CEO only need to know how to make a keynote. Technical knowledge, experience, ... : that's only required for low salary workers.
I would've been helpful if there was a link to his site in the summary.
11-year old... shouldn't this be 'senior' VP of sales?
This is just a tacky thing that sounds fun to a 13-year-old
That's the whole point. It's not meant for those studying year 12 chemistry, its meant for kids. Nobody is teaching thirteen year olds "the procedure for a titration? The workings of an atomic absorption spectrometer? Electron configurations? Secondary interactions?" They are teaching them the basic concepts of chemistry that this game attempts to put forward.
One of my Many, Many, many majors was Chemistry, So I can sort of see where you are coming from. However, as the parent of a teenager who just doesn't have ANY interest in chemistry, I have to say this is a good idea. A quick check before typing this reveals that while he has no idea what a noble gas is, he can tell you everything that is written on any Pokemon or Digimon card ever made. If you make the things that you are required to have a basic grasp of into a game, you are going to make a lot of kids initial foray into science less of a nightmare, without so much risk of building a hatred of the subject that will cripple their learning for the rest of their lives.
Why, yes, I AM a Pagan Libertarian.
I find it kind of sad. Yeah, the world probably needs the capitalistic natural selection to move forward, but I'd wish the kids would aspire for something else too, apart from trying to be rich.
The kid's idea is stupid anyway, sure you can roleplay very basic things with it by providing an analogy, but that analogy doesn't work consistently and does not allow for a deeper understanding of chemistry. So unless you are satisfied with the "iron card and oxigen card equals rust card", it does not allow for a deeper understanding. Don't tell me kids are not supposed to learn more at that (around twelve) age, you're probably expecting too little of them.
Either this kid is a gifted one, in which case he'd better spending his time working on something that has use or he's not and probably articles like this are doing a disservice by encouraging him and by taking his idea seriously. The kid apparently has charisma, but that is only enough for deluding people.
Talking about public education, initiatives like this boy's degrade education. For example not teaching children proper algorithms for basic multiplication, division and addition but instead encouraging them to come up with their own reasoning is the equivalent of starting a coding project with two tonnes of sand and some heavy metals. Most of the kids fail at it. It is not against self development and creativity to build upon the work of others, as progress is incremental.
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>Childhood is a precious time and I would not want my kids of that age
... well, whenever...
>to be doing this sort of thing. Childhood is something that should be
>treasured and nurtured. It is very sad they way that kids are rushed
>to adulthood so they can become consumer units. I find the sight of
>10 year old adults quite pathetic.
Yes, it is so awfull that children don't have the time to grow up that they had 400 years ago.
I mean back then, girl had a whole 13 years to be kids before they got married off. And boys got to play and have fun untill the age of 11, at most, before they had to help their fathers with the work.
It is so true that nowadays kids have their youth stolen from them.
I mean, sure, back then kids had to work a lot harder from a younger age. and now they have to hold only parttime jobs while they go to school.
Back then kids had to work hard during the summer vacations, in the field, farming. Whereas now they can relax and spend time with friends.
Back then kids pretty much had their entire life planned and settled down by the age of 16, but now they have the choice of what work they want, and they have the time to study for it, and can wait till they are a whooping 25-26(hell, even further) before they settle down.
But yeah, kids these days, having their lifes stolen from them.
I know i would MUCH rather have my 9-14 year old kid work in a coldmine with me, than my 13 year old kid be the CEO of a little company, because, gosh, being a CEO would steal his youth from him. And working in the coalmine would only steal countless years from his life.
And i would MUCH rather have my girl married off, as soon as she hit puperty(11-13), to someone twice or thrice her age(20-30+) instead of getting to decide for herself at any time between the age of 18 and
Yes, lets go back to how it was, when kids had time to grow up.
Tobias Ussing http://www.nearby.dk
My personal rule of thumb is to not invest anthing in companies unless the CEO is at least old enough to buy me a Guinness.
~WBGG~ "And I'm so sad like a good book I can't put this Day Back a sorta fairytale with you" ~Tori Amos
I was the top of my class at 13, but only because I found what I was learning to be entertaining. If I hadn't been enjoying the learning, I wouldn't have done it. If this helps kids who are otherwise not interested in learning chemistry to be more interested in learning it, then great! I understand that some people poorly implement modern experimental teaching strategies and end up with kids who learn nothing, but that doesn't mean that all modern experimental teaching strategies are crap or that all implementations of them are poor. This kid sounds like he has a pretty good idea. I wouldn't want to see a class converted to playing this game instead of using books, but if the kids enjoy the card game as a supplement to their class, and if it helps them to learn more from their class, what's the problem?
I know those words... but the way you use them, they don't make any sense...
With upper management so young, there might be some decent perks. Maybe snacktime, naps, and cartoon netwoork and console games in the breakrooms. (Naptime especially if the parents are overbearing.) I could always go for on the job naptime and ice cream Wednesdays at Coldstone.
*shrug* never worked for someone younger than me
~WBGG~ "And I'm so sad like a good book I can't put this Day Back a sorta fairytale with you" ~Tori Amos
As somewho knows something about Chemistry (going to the 2007 Moscow IChO), this idea is flawed. A high school chemistry syllabus is structered the way it is for a reason. I can think of several examples. 1. Chemistry is not all about elements, even at this basic level. For example, how will they teach acid-base chemistry? How will they teach gas laws? Even if this is just a small component of the syllabus, it is a waste. 2. There is too much of a gulf, knowledge wise, between the reactions that are listed in this RPG. For example - 2Mg + O2 -> 2MgO . This is simple to explain, using an Ionic Bonding Model. But then, using similar cards, you have 2Al + 3O2 -> Al2O3. Now you have to teach valencies. Then you have H2 + Br2 -> 2HBr. Try explaining that with an Ionic bonding model (If you can, account for it's properties). Then, lets say they do do acids. Mg + 2H+ -> Mg2+ + H2 . But how do you then account for Au not reacting with dilute acid, whereas Mg will? At this level? How do you account for Mg + Cu2+ -> Mg2+ + Cu ? Teaching electrochemistry cannot be done at similar times to teaching a simple valence bond theory, but that is what will happen with this stupid solution. My take - chemistry may be boring in high school, but so are most things. It's structed in a way that builds upon previous knowledge, and this guy is just hoping to make a quick buck off VC's with a product that is clearly not thought out.
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You could not be more wrong. This attitude is what separates drones from fully-formed human beings.
Sure, most teachers aren't good enough to do both, but it's that handful of wonderful teachers for whom teaching while entertaining come naturally that can instill a lifelong love of learning. It makes me sad to think you have never found learning entertaining. I can remember classes in music, film, physics, mathematics, literature and history that were great fun and in which I learned a great deal.
I pray that yours is not a widespread point of view on Slashdot because it could mean that our educational system has failed worse than I thought or that there is a high correlation between people who take an interest in technical matters and those that have no soul.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I'm just worried that kids will start writing "Oxygen, +2 attack, +3 defence" on their test papers.
I'm looking for $100000 too. By plain logic I should do twice better. I have charts to prove it :P
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Where did you guys all go
Almost universally? So you've met, and/or have read available documentation on, almost all CEOs? Quite impressive. When do you sleep?
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Instead of feeling outrage at a mere thirteen year old treading on adult turf, think of it as a learning experience, a project if you like, for what is obviously a very bright kid. I'd be impressed if he were my child. Is anybody truly surprised that he is inexperienced?
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Lousy Ferg-breath, always stealing the spotlight. I bet he made his sister program a goofy video game for his company too.
Did you ever notice that *nix doesn't even cover Linux?
For me, it still exists: Monopolistic Competition. It's like Monopoly, except actually based on economics. I'll spare you the details, but I'm sure if I sat at the kitchen table for a weekend, I'd have all the minutiae figured out and a game fully designed. I think we've all had ideas like this when we were this kid's age, and that he simply got lucky (parental intervention, a grant of $500, the support of some gullible VCs, media coverage). The idea is interesting, but it seems like something I'd see sitting gathering dust on the shelf of the Discovery Store, not catching on and sparking any revolution.
i guess i deserved that reading ...
From what I can see that's where this kid is coming from. Sure, the game won't teach you things like redox reactions, or actual experimental processes, but if you get a good grounding in the basics it makes it much easier to understand the more complex things later on.
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I'd appreciate that you wouldn't make far reaching assumptions based on a short post of mine. Especially if you happen to be wrong about it. I have been lucky to have great teachers in high school and it was a joy to learn in their classes. They made mathematics, physics and history interesting, but their goal wasn't to entertain me, but to teach me.
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Be yourself no matter what they say
... that this one doesn't throw chairs when he's frustrated.
It was a practical demonstration of why leaving school early is a bad idea.
Justice is the sheep getting arrested while an impartial judge declares the vote void.
Do i detect the familiar setup of a stage mommy/daddy here somewhere going "you're not raising seed money fast enough! no dinner tonight!"
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To make you feel like a loser for not having your own company by now. I say we kick his ass and take his lunch money. I might be in my 30's, but I'm not above beating up people who make me feel threatened and useless. You in?
Perhaps a third word should be introduced, how about engaged. Whenever the student is engaged in what is being taught, they will learn more about that subject. That engagement could come because the student finds the material interesting for it's own worth; or perhaps the student is entertained by the teacher who keeps their attention while the student is learning.
I believe either method can be successful. For some students (yourself included) perhaps they would never allow themselves to be entertained while learning so that method will not work. I believe whatever method, and I am sure there are others, is employed as long as the student is engaged they will learn something. If the student simply does not care and is busy daydreaming or thinking about other classes they are engaged in, well, I can't believe they will ever gain knowledge on the subject.
I was also making money before I was 13, and Elementeo doesn't surprise me. It is much more easier for children to be engaged in business than adults. First, children have lots of imagination, while in general few adults retain it after they turn 22-23. Furthermore, children are usually free of debt and get free food and financial support from their parents, and children normally have no responsibilities; compare that to an adult who is indebted, needs to work in order to eat, and has a family to support. Moreover, children have more free time than adults. Another important factor that is in children's favour is that they usually have good health, while many adults do not. Lastly, laws in general seek to protect children, an advantage mature entrepreneurs cannot have.
So do you understand probability or do you not understand probability?
It isn't clear from your post.
Nerd rage is the funniest rage.
Dude, you want to become a CEO?
Go file incorporation paperwork. Poof you're a CEO.
it is not hard to become a CEO, it's a title on a piece of paper that costs for about $150 to file for a LLC. nothing magical, nothing powerful, nothing to give any respect to just because someone says they are a CEO.
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Honestly - how about aspiring to TEACH KIDS IN WAYS THEY WANT TO LEARN?
There, read his webpage - find out what his intentions are, rather than just making stuff up.
If you can impart two or three important concepts in this game, which seems more than likely, you've basically got Super Flashcards. And frankly, just getting kids to KNOW the names of elements is one step to getting them to ask questions about elements. What happened to slashdot's ability to dream? I don't get it, I really don't.
Bottom line is, Anshul Samhar inspires, whereas YOU just piss on the parade.
Mod parent down!
I think a lot of good points have been raised about this type of approach towards getting kids interested in the subject.
But for those of you who think this is limited to grade school... at the college level I am familiar with a professor who uses a similar approach. Imagine looking at a Snickers bar and talking about conglomerate rocks, or talking about geological stratification with a peanut butter sandwich. And getting numerous teaching awards for it.
There are some of us who scratch our heads and wonder exactly what he is doing in college. He doesn't teach the upper level classes, but he is a hit with the intro classes. I have seen absolutely no assessment data indicating whether his approach is actually helping these students learn. Perhaps it is, perhaps not.
Over the years I have come to the realization that there is no one right way to teach, and that not everybody responds equally to a given teaching approach. I (a college professor) and my sister (an MD) both like the "soak up as much knowledge from the knowledgeable professor at the head of the class" approach. Chalk notes on the board, copied by hand to to the notebook, working on assignments outside of class, asking specific questions after getting stuck on something for hours, etc... that approach works for us. I really hate games and interactive working-with-other-students approaches in the classroom. I find it to be a copout by the professor; he or she is the one with the knowledge, not my fellow students (who are likely to be less knowledgeable than myself).
But some students do respond more to this approach. The "inquiry based learning" approach is catching on like wildfire in some schools, and some of this has bubbled up to the college level. There are many who sing its praises profess its superiority to "chalk and talk" but from what I can glean from conversations with those in the field of Education, this approach is not clearly better (as determined by test scores), but that it does work better for some (just like the traditional method works better for my sister and me).
As someone in the sciences, I have found that learning is really hard, and not always pleasant, and I do not hesitate to remind my students who are struggling with the material. I feel their pain. But no amount of entertainment will substitute sitting down with the text/notes/assignment and slogging through this stuff alone in the library for hours. I think the idea of individual hard, grueling work as an approach to learning has fallen out of favor. The majority of my students do not study outside of class until a day or two before the test. I can pretty much gage what the scores will be before I even collect the tests based upon the kinds of questions I am asking, and the depth of knowledge required to answer these questions correctly (think thermodynamics here).
In conclusion, I see some - not all - of these approaches as style vs. substance. I think we can all agree that engaging students with the material is always good, but that there is no single approach which will engage all students at the same level. Perhaps the best approach (one which I am gravitating towards) is a mixture of traditional and somewhat less traditional approaches.
A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous, got me?
No need for facts.
Well, then, let me be the first one to say:
AWW, that's so cute! He's adorable! Who's my little CEO? Who's my little CEO?
It's gotta be Nike, and finally, thank god!
We can credit them with tearing down the corporate 'ceiling' for children. They used to be stuck only in sweatshops, but now.... well, now the sky's the limit.
Here's to you Nike!
But there are other kids as well:
12-year old Nigerian is a certified Java Programmer
12 year old programmer creates web browser
Pakistan's youngest certified Microsoft programmer - 9 years old
Covered in slashdot before
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Exactly - can't have them selling their vote for hotdog and fries when selling it for the safety of their eternal soul is much more sexy.
Different kids think different things are fun. These kids might have had a ball creating that prototype, and the process of learning what's needed for a business could be really intriguing too. And don't tell me that they didn't enjoy going to some grown-up trade show and having adults shower them with attention (and possibly venture capital money). Sure, they should make sure that they don't miss out on other more "kid-like" stuff, but who says they can't play little league and run a business? Just because you couldn't have at their age doesn't mean they can't.
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Nah, all you need to do is train Corporation Management to level 1, and about 1.5 million ISK. You'll want to train Anchoring as well if you want to recruit via storage container (like many corps do).
This kid is in middle school, he, like most kids, hates textbooks, but unlike most kids, he actually came up with an alternative. He's touting it like a replacement for textbooks, and of course it would work better as a supplement, but it's still a great idea. And if the parents are helping out, they're doing the right thing. If my kid came up to me with a brilliant, if not necessarily feasible idea, I wouldn't want to quash his dreams right away. I'd want to encourage him. Any kid that's come this far isn't going to be shaken by temporary failure. Look at the about the creator page on his website and read his quotes in the article. Just because he's thirteen doesn't mean he shouldn't be taken seriously, it just means that he has a different approach than most adults.
As for the game's actual usefulness... I remember how much more exciting world history was for me because I recognized the names of cultures and cities from Civilization II. This could inspire the same kind of fascination in kids for Chemistry. Most kids aren't taught a lot of Chemistry until the middle of high school, and I don't think anyone other than the creators think this can replace textbooks completely, but how cool would it feel to walk into your high school chemistry class and already know about valence and the periodic table from a card game you played in middle school? If this game inspired a lifelong love of chemistry in a few kids and helped a few more understand the basic concepts... that alone, I think, would be worth it.
You know who ought to be making educational games for kids? Smart kids. Adults are reliably clueless about what kids like and don't like. (Get off my lawn.) So, some kids make up a game and sell it. It's educational. They're clearly having a blast doing it, at least as far as I can tell. It's a 21st Century lemonade stand gone thermonuclear, and I salute them. Wish that was MY childhood.
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Finally somebody who thinks for the children
Let me a draw an analogy from a little athletic coaching experience I've had.
To get an athlete to perform at his best you have to get him to do a lot of training, which can be dull. Yet the quantity of training is not everything: quality counts for more. And dull training reduces the quality of effort.
So, to prepare an athlete to do his best, you need to find the right balance of stimulation and repetition. In other words, you can't turn an athlete into a winner if there is no fun in it any more. Remove the fun, remove the willing acceptance of challenge from the athlete, and as hard as you try to drive the athlete, the best you get is solid mediocrity.
Coaching an athlete is a form of eductation. I believe the principle I have just identified is not unique to coaching, but all forms of education. If all you want is to have consistent mediocrity, then it is easiest to impose a regime of harsh, joyless drilling. That's the problem with the way most education reform "standards" are conceived in most states. They drive all students to the mean.
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But there are other kids as well:
12-year old Nigerian is a certified Java Programmer
12 year old programmer creates web browser
Pakistan's youngest certified Microsoft programmer - 9 years old
I wish I could say that becoming certified meant something, unfortunately thats not the case. At least for the MS certs, all you have to do is pass a few mulitple choice tests, and the transcenders and brain dumps have been around for ages. Just recently we hired an MCSD/DBA; my jaw about hit the floor when he asked me how to pass parameters to a console app. Unfortunately certs don't mean shit anymore.
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I'm always amazed at those messages: "We recently hired xyz and it turns out he's totally useless."
Not blaming any one, but are job interviews out of fashion? What sort of questions do people ask in interviews? Or, in other words, can't you tell within 20 minutes that someone simply doesn't have a clue?
On the other hand I would prefer that his leisure time be spent riding a bike, reading a book, playing with his friends, camping in the woods etc etc etc than being a CEO.
You don't get it, that's exactly what he's doing... reading a book (probably this one) and playing with his friends ("Let's play start up - I get to be CEO!") The only difference is he may make enough money during his play time to pay for college. And if not, he sure learned more than my friends and I did selling lemonade.
So he gave a speech at a conference. Some kids join theater, forensics, or the marching band, some play baseball, some make speeches to Silicon Valley executives. As long as he *wants* to do it and enjoys it, why begrudge the kid his fun??
Note that CEOs have to be Lawful Evil; you might want to kick some puppies to get your alignment into place. You do get some rather nice feats, though - for example Outsourcing and Improved Outsourcing with level 9 or Sociopathy with level 15. You also get a +(Level) AC bonus on all saving throws against common sense.
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