There is a huge genetic factor. And quite often if you have an autistic child without autistic parents. You will still, quite often, see a lot of autistic traits in the parents.
Even if it isn't enough traits to actually gain them a diagnosis.
Yes, but all Simon Baron-Cohen's hypothesis are just variants on the same idea.
"It happens in utero. for THIS reason"
Ehm, no it doesn't
"Ok, then it happens in utero for THIS reason"
Ehm, no it doesn't
"ok, well, what about in utero for THIS reason"
He doesn't change his idea. All he does is pop up every few years with a slight tweak on what has already been disproven. (Again, this can be valid. But in his case it just... isn't).
He does good work in the psychology business. He has written some good books that does help.
My only problem is that whenever Simon Baron-Cohen looks into the etiology of autism he always comes up with brain dead ideas that inevitably are shown to be wrong.
As a psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen has a good understanding about autism. He has a good way to get into the mindset and to understand/see the world as someone with autism does.
He does good stuff. But he also does stuff that makes me want to pull my hair out.
And i'm not the only one in the industry that thinks that.
A cursory glance at pubmed.gov shows that people with autism generally have less vitamin D than people without.
But it isn't apparent if the autism is caused by the lack of vitamin D. Or if the lack of vitamin D is an effect of people having autism eating less varied meals.
There appears to be no difference in how much vitamin D the mother has in whether or not the child has autism
Here is the data i looked at for reference:
7. J Altern Complement Med. 2010 Jun;16(6):641-5.
Reduced serum levels of 25-hydroxy and 1,25-dihydroxy vitamin D in Egyptian children with autism.
Meguid NA, Hashish AF, Anwar M, Sidhom G.
Department of Research on Children with Special Needs, National Research Centre, Cairo, Egypt. [ snip ] CONCLUSIONS: Serum values of 25(OH)D in the children with autism of this study could classify them as being "vitamin D inadequate," which lends support to the hypothesis that autism is a vitamin D deficiency disorder.
1. J Autism Dev Disord. 2011 May 10. [Epub ahead of print]
Food Variety as a Predictor of Nutritional Status Among Children with Autism.
Division of Developmental and Behavioral Pediatrics MLC 4002, Cincinnati Children's Hospital Medical Center, 3430 Burnet Avenue, Cincinnati, OH, 45220, USA, michelle.zimmer@cchmc.org.
The frequency of selective eating and nutritional deficiency was studied among 22 children with autism and an age matched typically developing control group. Children with autism ate fewer foods on average than typically developing children. (33.5 vs. 54.5 foods, P less than.001) As compared to typical controls, children with autism had a higher average intake of magnesium, and lower average intake of protein, calcium, vitamin B12, and vitamin D. Selective eaters were significantly more likely than typical controls to be at risk for at least one serious nutrient deficiency (P less than.001).
12. Acta Paediatr. 2010 May;99(5):743-7. Epub 2010 Mar 5.
Serum levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in mothers of Swedish and of Somali origin who have children with and without autism.
Fernell E, Barnevik-Olsson M, Bågenholm G, Gillberg C, Gustafsson S, Sääf M.
Autism Centre for Young Children, Handicap and Habilitation, Stockholm, Sweden. elisabeth.fernell@karolinska.se [snip] RESULTS: Between 12 and 17 mothers from the different groups accepted to participate, both groups of mothers of Somali origin had significantly lower values of 25-hydroxyvitamin D compared with Swedish mothers. The difference of 25-hydroxyvitamin D between mothers of Somali origin with and without a child with autism was not significant.
I agree for there to be science you have to come up with a lot of hypothesis. Some of these will be promoted to theories. Some of these will not be falsified.
So just because you'r hypothesis/theory fails at one of these points, it doesn't mean that you aren't a scientist, or you shouldn't be allowed to come up with something new. Of course not.
There are people who claim that watching to much TV causes autism. Or mothers not showing enough emotion cause autism. Or vaccinations cause autism. (All of these are false btw)
So, if one person keeps coming up with bad ideas, at some point he should sit down and say to himself. "Ok, before i start pushing this to the media, etc. i'm going to see if i can falsify this... etc."
At some point enough is enough. I don't see him as being much better than Wakefield(He is better in that he hasn't consciously and on purpose falsified data to earn money, which Wakefield did. But his theories are no better).
A lot of people are doing real research into what causes autism. And what Simon Baron-Cohen is doing has (thus far) not been even close to useful.
Simon Baron-Cohen (And the people who go all crazy with vaccinations) are distracting and removing resources from the areas where real work is being done.
I stand by what i said, as referring specifically to Simon Baron-Cohen. Not to scientist in general.
Agreed. A good hierarchy should make it easy to manage in and of itself.
Combine a good directory structure with something like xbmc.org would give you the ability to use a remote control, and add thumbnails/preview/plot to your media in various ways. It can scrape sites for information if you use the build in library, but i have found the library to be rather useless.
At 7+ TB of data, i have rarely found the need for anything other than XBMC (plus a few useful plugins) and a good directory structure.
Please do realize that just because you are a red commie barstard, it doesn't mean that you are a green environmentalist elitest.
Safe nuclear power is the best option we have right now. With that said, research and development should of course continue on all the alternative power generation methods.
But the best thing(especially for the green environmentalist elitests) right now, is to replace all the coal and oil power plants with nuclear, so we can make it safer.. and get a shit load of CO2 out of the atmosphere, which is the other thing they keep whining* about.
Sorry, neither have been proven to be true. Though there is evidence that vikings found vinland before columbus the authenticity of the map has still not been proven.
Yes, Dawkins DID say that, but it doesn't mean what Stein wanted you to believe it means... I suggest you read up on this instead of following the dogma of stein.
I suggest you read up on how Stein has EXPELLED a scientist (PZ Myers) from a viewing of his movie. > I went to attend a screening of the creationist propaganda movie, Expelled, a few minutes ago. Well, I tried... but I was Expelled! It was kind of weird -- I was standing in line, > hadn't even gotten to the point where I had to sign in and show ID, and a policeman pulled me out of line and told me I could not go in. I asked why, of course, and he said that a > producer of the film had specifically instructed him that I was not to be allowed to attend.
But back to how, as you say "What does that say when one of the leading Darwinist admits that there is the "possibility" that there was some intelligence that started the entire process? At least he was open for the debate. I think that we should also." Well, what he says about the movie.
Of course he was open for debate, but, nothing came of it, ID/Creationism is a waste of time, he knows it, and says so.
Oh, btw, do you know how much Stein mislead all the scientists in the movie?
> I shall not discuss the main message of the film -- that American creationist scientists are being victimized for their views -- except to say that it was very much NOT its main > message when the film was called Crossroads, and when I, together with PZ Myers, Eugenie Scott and others, were conned into taking part.
> And Kristine asked Mathis to explain what had become of a film called Crossroads which had mysteriously morphed itself into Expelled. The import of her question was the widely known > fact, which I have already mentioned, that PZ and I had been tricked into participating in Crossroads without ever being told that the true purpose of the film was the one conveyed > by the later title Expelled -- the alleged expulsion of creationists from universities.
This clip is a video of Dawkins and Myers talking about Myers being EXPELLED, and about the segment that mislead you http://youtube.com/watch?v=c39jYgsvUOY
But yes, lets put the trust in the development of our children into a scamming, lying pile of junk like Stein who deceits to get his point across.
And by the way, comparing Evolution to Nazism was probably not the best thing the man could have done. Especially not considering that Hitler considered himself very christian - Note, this is NOT a Godwin... Stein made a Godwin, i didn't..
Since homeopathy works by "like cures like" as long as it is diluted enough, and that means caffein in homeopathy should work as a sleeping pill, i guess i will just have to go drink some tab water and hope there is something in it that will make me live, or rather die...
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I never claimed to be a scientist, and i am not.
Also, there is just so much wrong with what you wrote that.. well, *meh*
Ehm, yes.. Of course.
There is a huge genetic factor. And quite often if you have an autistic child without autistic parents. You will still, quite often, see a lot of autistic traits in the parents.
Even if it isn't enough traits to actually gain them a diagnosis.
He should have discarded this idea already. The problem is that he doesn't discard them.
Well, during his last lecture i saw, i was way more amused than i have ever been by his cousin :
It is fairly apparent at this juncture in time that there is a genetic component to autism. But we just don't know yet.
It is also apparent that there is an environmental factor at work. There are many cases of identical twins where only one of them have autism.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2010/06/autism_and_the_search_for_simp.php - This is a pretty good rundown of what we know on the genetic side so far.
Yes, but all Simon Baron-Cohen's hypothesis are just variants on the same idea.
"It happens in utero. for THIS reason"
Ehm, no it doesn't
"Ok, then it happens in utero for THIS reason"
Ehm, no it doesn't
"ok, well, what about in utero for THIS reason"
He doesn't change his idea. All he does is pop up every few years with a slight tweak on what has already been disproven. (Again, this can be valid. But in his case it just... isn't).
This!!!!
Thank you. :)
This is not an ad-homin on Simon Baron-Cohen.
He does good work in the psychology business. He has written some good books that does help.
My only problem is that whenever Simon Baron-Cohen looks into the etiology of autism he always comes up with brain dead ideas that inevitably are shown to be wrong.
As a psychologist Simon Baron-Cohen has a good understanding about autism. He has a good way to get into the mindset and to understand/see the world as someone with autism does.
He does good stuff. But he also does stuff that makes me want to pull my hair out.
And i'm not the only one in the industry that thinks that.
I hadn't hear that hypothesis.
A cursory glance at pubmed.gov shows that people with autism generally have less vitamin D than people without.
But it isn't apparent if the autism is caused by the lack of vitamin D. Or if the lack of vitamin D is an effect of people having autism eating less varied meals.
There appears to be no difference in how much vitamin D the mother has in whether or not the child has autism
Here is the data i looked at for reference:
7. J Altern Complement Med. 2010 Jun;16(6):641-5.
Reduced serum levels of 25-hydroxy and 1,25-dihydroxy vitamin D in Egyptian
children with autism.
Meguid NA, Hashish AF, Anwar M, Sidhom G.
Department of Research on Children with Special Needs, National Research Centre,
Cairo, Egypt.
[ snip ]
CONCLUSIONS: Serum values of 25(OH)D in the children with autism of this study
could classify them as being "vitamin D inadequate," which lends support to the
hypothesis that autism is a vitamin D deficiency disorder.
1. J Autism Dev Disord. 2011 May 10. [Epub ahead of print]
Food Variety as a Predictor of Nutritional Status Among Children with Autism.
Zimmer MH, Hart LC, Manning-Courtney P, Murray DS, Bing NM, Summer S.
Division of Developmental and Behavioral Pediatrics MLC 4002, Cincinnati
Children's Hospital Medical Center, 3430 Burnet Avenue, Cincinnati, OH, 45220,
USA, michelle.zimmer@cchmc.org.
The frequency of selective eating and nutritional deficiency was studied among 22 .001) As compared to typical controls, .001).
children with autism and an age matched typically developing control group.
Children with autism ate fewer foods on average than typically developing
children. (33.5 vs. 54.5 foods, P less than
children with autism had a higher average intake of magnesium, and lower average
intake of protein, calcium, vitamin B12, and vitamin D. Selective eaters were
significantly more likely than typical controls to be at risk for at least one
serious nutrient deficiency (P less than
12. Acta Paediatr. 2010 May;99(5):743-7. Epub 2010 Mar 5.
Serum levels of 25-hydroxyvitamin D in mothers of Swedish and of Somali origin
who have children with and without autism.
Fernell E, Barnevik-Olsson M, Bågenholm G, Gillberg C, Gustafsson S, Sääf M.
Autism Centre for Young Children, Handicap and Habilitation, Stockholm, Sweden.
elisabeth.fernell@karolinska.se
[snip]
RESULTS: Between 12 and 17 mothers from the different groups accepted to
participate, both groups of mothers of Somali origin had significantly lower
values of 25-hydroxyvitamin D compared with Swedish mothers. The difference of
25-hydroxyvitamin D between mothers of Somali origin with and without a child
with autism was not significant.
I agree for there to be science you have to come up with a lot of hypothesis.
Some of these will be promoted to theories.
Some of these will not be falsified.
So just because you'r hypothesis/theory fails at one of these points, it doesn't mean that you aren't a scientist, or you shouldn't be allowed to come up with something new. Of course not.
There are people who claim that watching to much TV causes autism. Or mothers not showing enough emotion cause autism. Or vaccinations cause autism. (All of these are false btw)
So, if one person keeps coming up with bad ideas, at some point he should sit down and say to himself. "Ok, before i start pushing this to the media, etc. i'm going to see if i can falsify this... etc."
At some point enough is enough. I don't see him as being much better than Wakefield(He is better in that he hasn't consciously and on purpose falsified data to earn money, which Wakefield did. But his theories are no better).
A lot of people are doing real research into what causes autism. And what Simon Baron-Cohen is doing has (thus far) not been even close to useful.
Simon Baron-Cohen (And the people who go all crazy with vaccinations) are distracting and removing resources from the areas where real work is being done.
I stand by what i said, as referring specifically to Simon Baron-Cohen. Not to scientist in general.
Simon Baron-Cohen has made many a theory on the etiology of Autism. And all of them have fallen by the way side.
I don't understand why he is regarded as a scientist since he keep coming out with these stupid ideas.
A few years ago it was a "Too neanderthal brain". Then a few years later it was "Too much male hormone in the uterus". And now it is is this. *sigh*
He comes up with one idea, and once that is shown to be false, he just throws a new one out there.
As a professional in this area. And as someone with autism. I totally disregard anything and everything he has to say.
Agreed. A good hierarchy should make it easy to manage in and of itself.
Combine a good directory structure with something like xbmc.org would give you the ability to use a remote control, and add thumbnails/preview/plot to your media in various ways. It can scrape sites for information if you use the build in library, but i have found the library to be rather useless.
At 7+ TB of data, i have rarely found the need for anything other than XBMC (plus a few useful plugins) and a good directory structure.
Don't you dare compare me to the parent.. he is certainly no commie...
Please do realize that just because you are a red commie barstard, it doesn't mean that you are a green environmentalist elitest.
Safe nuclear power is the best option we have right now. With that said, research and development should of course continue on all the alternative power generation methods.
But the best thing(especially for the green environmentalist elitests) right now, is to replace all the coal and oil power plants with nuclear, so we can make it safer.. and get a shit load of CO2 out of the atmosphere, which is the other thing they keep whining* about.
*i'm not saying it isn't an issue as well.
Sorry, neither have been proven to be true.
Though there is evidence that vikings found vinland before columbus the authenticity of the map has still not been proven.
And for paraiba:
http://www.badarchaeology.net/data/ooparts/paraiba.php
Or if i'm wrong, please provide source material that proves your claim.
Ehm, they are going to opensource it, so i very much doubt your conspiracy theory holds true
Careful son, that's commie talk.
What a load of bull.. i've never said that, not once in my entire life have i said that...
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong..
... but I was Expelled! It was kind of weird -- I was standing in line,
Yes, Dawkins DID say that, but it doesn't mean what Stein wanted you to believe it means... I suggest you read up on this instead of following the dogma of stein.
I suggest you read up on how Stein has EXPELLED a scientist (PZ Myers) from a viewing of his movie.
> I went to attend a screening of the creationist propaganda movie, Expelled, a few minutes ago. Well, I tried
> hadn't even gotten to the point where I had to sign in and show ID, and a policeman pulled me out of line and told me I could not go in. I asked why, of course, and he said that a
> producer of the film had specifically instructed him that I was not to be allowed to attend.
http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/03/expelled.php
But back to how, as you say "What does that say when one of the leading Darwinist admits that there is the "possibility" that there was some intelligence that started the entire process? At least he was open for the debate. I think that we should also."
Well, what he says about the movie.
>Please, don't pay to go see it. Let it die a quiet theatrical death. If you really want to see it, wait for a free opportunity that won't line Mathis' pockets.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2400,Expelled-Overview,Josh-Timonen-RichardDawkinsnet
Of course he was open for debate, but, nothing came of it, ID/Creationism is a waste of time, he knows it, and says so.
Oh, btw, do you know how much Stein mislead all the scientists in the movie?
> I shall not discuss the main message of the film -- that American creationist scientists are being victimized for their views -- except to say that it was very much NOT its main
> message when the film was called Crossroads, and when I, together with PZ Myers, Eugenie Scott and others, were conned into taking part.
> And Kristine asked Mathis to explain what had become of a film called Crossroads which had mysteriously morphed itself into Expelled. The import of her question was the widely known
> fact, which I have already mentioned, that PZ and I had been tricked into participating in Crossroads without ever being told that the true purpose of the film was the one conveyed
> by the later title Expelled -- the alleged expulsion of creationists from universities.
http://richarddawkins.net/article,2394,Lying-for-Jesus,Richard-Dawkins
This clip is a video of Dawkins and Myers talking about Myers being EXPELLED, and about the segment that mislead you
http://youtube.com/watch?v=c39jYgsvUOY
But yes, lets put the trust in the development of our children into a scamming, lying pile of junk like Stein who deceits to get his point across.
And by the way, comparing Evolution to Nazism was probably not the best thing the man could have done. Especially not considering that Hitler considered himself very christian - Note, this is NOT a Godwin... Stein made a Godwin, i didn't..
DAMN YOU DEVIL WOMAN
:'(
i was about to write that
you are evil, and i hate you
Guess i will just have to go kill myself...
Since homeopathy works by "like cures like" as long as it is diluted enough, and that means caffein in homeopathy should work as a sleeping pill, i guess i will just have to go drink some tab water and hope there is something in it that will make me live, or rather die...
Thanks, heard it a few times from sources i trust, just really wanted to have a source for it(the coal power plants are more radioactive)..
:)
Still would like one with the specific 25 disasters a year (or what it was). But lets hope the original poster can give me/us that.
Again, thanks, bookmarked.
I would be very interested in reading said study
no, that would be me :)
Removing moderation, hit "offtopic" by mistake
no no, i know what it is, i just never saw anyone write it before is all.
And i know it is really old, hence why it really surprised me.
That is the first time i have EVER seen anyone say "on the gripping hand"..
:)
Kudos.