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RIAA Seeks Royalties From Radio

SierraPete writes "First it was Napster; then it was Internet radio; then it was little girls, grandmothers, and dead people. But now our friends at the RIAA are going decidedly low-tech. The LA Times reports that the RIAA wants royalties from radio stations. 70 years ago Congress exempted radio stations from paying royalties to performers and labels because radio helps sell music. But since the labels that make up the RIAA are not getting the cash they desire through sales of CDs, and since Internet and satellite broadcasters are forced to cough up cash to their racket, now the RIAA wants terrestrial radio to pay up as well."

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  1. From the article... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Mary Wilson, who with Diana Ross and Florence Ballard formed the original Supremes, said the exemption was unfair and forced older musicians to continue touring to pay their bills."

    Yeah because they should be allowed to sit around all day earning money just because they are so great.

    1. Re:From the article... by weorthe · · Score: 5, Funny

      Remember kids, listening to the radio is STEALING!!!

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    2. Re:From the article... by 605dave · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's funny, because the radio station owners are sitting around making money because of how great she was...

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    3. Re:From the article... by honkycat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right, it's not like they're continuing to provide a service, pay their power bills, employ staff to keep the transmitters working, etc. They're just collecting a paycheck by trampling on her rights. Those millions she already made were not nearly enough compensation for those few hours of music she put on records. Why should she have to continue to be productive to put food on the table? Why can't she just sit and reap the rewards of her creativity the same way the rest of us do?

      Oh... wait...

    4. Re:From the article... by *weasel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it's totally unfair that the guy who bought the house I built sold it for a profit a few years later.
      I mean, I should totally get a cut of absolutely any profit derived from my work at any point in the future!

      Otherwise I'd have to plan for retirement or continue building houses.
      And that doesn't sound fair. Not while people are out there profitting off my work.

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  2. Excellent! by Algorithmnast · · Score: 5, Interesting

    One of 2 things will probably happen:

        1) RIAA offends the courts by trying to reverse Congress and fails, and loses some steam and (more) public credibility (with those who think they have any).

        2) RIAA bribes the right people and that law gets reversed, which then costs our country its music-playing radio stations and the music industry loses the majority of its sales.

    I'm failing to see a down side....

    1. Re:Excellent! by montyzooooma · · Score: 5, Insightful
      "2) RIAA bribes the right people and that law gets reversed, which then costs our country its music-playing radio stations and the music industry loses the majority of its sales."

      As somebody already pointed out the rest of the world gets by paying a fee for radio play. What this WILL mean is that you'll end up with the bland "selection" of national radio that other Western countries have. I was always surprised at how diverse the US music industry was but I didn't realise your radio stations got a free ride. Now it makes sense and I'm sure this would mean less exposure for niche artistes. Gotta love an industry that's trying to hammer nails in its own coffin.

  3. Nice idea for a protest? by irexe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'd like to see all radio stations play only independent music for one day. See how the RIAA likes that..

  4. Re:Give them what they want! by aussie_a · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually the radio will be telling people who to like. It will be people they can afford (most likely free people in many cases). Sounds like a win for me if the RIAA gets what they want.

  5. I always find it unnerving... by dbolger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...when reality and The Onion collide: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27696

    1. Re:I always find it unnerving... by Bogtha · · Score: 5, Funny

      Sometimes it's just downright hilarious.

      The Onion, February 2004:

      Stop. I just had a stroke of genius. Are you ready? Open your mouth, baby birds, cause Mama's about to drop you one sweet, fat nightcrawler. Here she comes: Put another aloe strip on that fucker, too. That's right. Five blades, two strips, and make the second one lather. You heard me--the second strip lathers. It's a whole new way to think about shaving. Don't question it. Don't say a word. Just key the music, and call the chorus girls, because we're on the edge--the razor's edge--and I feel like dancing.

      CNN, September 2005:

      Gillette has escalated the razor wars yet again, unveiling a new line of razors on Wednesday with five blades and a lubricating strip on both the front and back.

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      Bogtha Bogtha Bogtha
  6. This is going to backfire.... by RenegadeTempest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is great news. There are only like 2 big radio conglomerates out there. They typically replay the same crap that the labels spoon feed them over and over again. Now, let's say they have to PAY to play that crap. Wouldn't it make sense to maybe play local stuff that doesn't cost a dime? Maybe it makes sense to play those albums that are not covered by the RIAA?

    The best part is that if this is instituted it must be instituted across the board. They can't give radio stations breaks on a specific song over another. If they do, then this is payola. You can't pay radio stations to play your song. A discount on royalties is the same as paying them. Maybe we might hear some variety on the radio.

    Again, another strategy not thought out to the logical conclusion.

  7. Sounds fair to me by grimJester · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From TFA:

    Mary Wilson, who with Diana Ross and Florence Ballard formed the original Supremes, said the exemption was unfair and forced older musicians to continue touring to pay their bills.

    Yes, it's unfair that people are forced to work to pay their bills. There should be free money for all with no incentive to work. In a perfect world, congress should force everyone to pay record companies money, so record companies could distribute the wealth in whatever way they see fit.

  8. Silly RIAA... by beerdini · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They are attacking their own advertisers now. Most people purchase music after hearing it, which they usually hear it on the radio. Lets fast forward 5 years pretending this is successful. Radio stations are now put out of business because of lawsuits or refusal to pay the RIAA's ransom so as CD sales continue to fall; that will leave the RIAA scratching their heads wondering why, when they just killed their most wide spread advertising tool.

    Whats next? Suing stores that play music inside for shoppers?

  9. Re:Give them what they want! by mibalzonya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It may also mean less music. Instead of the same 8 songs. We will now have the same six songs.

  10. The operation was a success, but the patient died. by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Informative
    I agree, it's going to backfire big time.

    A long time ago my father (a construction worker) told me why you didn't see many houses made out of brick in California. Seems the bricklayer's union became way, way too successful and powerful, demanding more and more pay up to the point where people couldn't afford brick construction any more and moved to frame and plasterboard houses with tar shingle roofs (this was back in the early 50's). Basically they priced themselves out of the market, but they couldn't roll back their demands due to the nature of the organisation, and their leaders chose economic death over political death as an organisation because people are funny that way.

    As Hawkeye once said, the operation was a success but the patient died.

    Funny thing though, the frame houses seemed to flex a bit but the brick houses tended to rubble during earthquakes, lovely Aesopian message there.

    Off-topic? No, just a very extended metaphor. The RIAA will eventually have absolute control over a commodity that absolutely nobody will buy. And when they start annoying Congressmen more than their lobbyists are worth by stepping outside the bounds of their anointed playing field, they're going to get slapped down hard. Nobody has a right to make money, the market has to be there, and RIAA is killing the goose.

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  11. Re:Give them what they want! by toleraen · · Score: 5, Funny

    If I may quote Lewis Black...

    MTV is to music as KFC is to chicken.

  12. is this about money? by hackstraw · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the summary: But since the labels that make up the RIAA are not getting the cash they desire through sales of CDs, and since Internet and satellite broadcasters are forced to cough up cash to their racket.

    I mean seriously. Are these people hungry? Are they homeless? Are they unable to pay their bills? Is their mansion really too small?

    I ran into a former owner of a CD store in a college town a few years ago, and she said that she had to close down because CDs were not selling, so she sold the business, and started another one. She said explicitly that downloads hurt her bottom line, but oh well, times change, and she had to change with the times.

    I mean, how many steam engine engineers are trying to sue these new fangled gasoline, oil, diesel, electric, fuel cell, etc engineers? Or their customers, or their kids, or dead people?

    To me, this is some kind of psychological or socioligical problem that is not properly addressed as such, and the bottom line is that _everybody_ is losing because of it. The real problem is that the government is an accessory to their psychological/sociological problems, because I guess they have the same issues.

    Why isn't the government or anybody concerned about real issues like national debt, health care (oxymoron) reform, energy costs, housing costs, and the stuff that actually affects real people that are real problems. I mean, if nobody bought a 1970s technology like a CD is ever again, would it really be a big deal?

    Is this kind of sociopathy just "normal" when a society is collapsing on itself? Does anybody know what the real issues are here? This is a control/powertrip thing that makes no sense.

  13. Re:Give them what they want! by hal2814 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You get 8 songs?! I just get DJs who think they're a lot more amusing than they really are and commercials. I'd love to have a radio station that actually played music.

  14. Re:Absolutely! Strong support! by walt-sjc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Oh this has nothing to do with music sales and traditional broadcast radio. This is still about internet "radio".

    Internet "radio" is going back to congress asking to be treated like a real radio station and get back to a zero royalty rate. The RIAA wants to head this off and say that real radio needs to pay too. It won't work, but they are going to give it a go...

  15. Re:Give them what they want! by dotfile · · Score: 5, Interesting
    You'd love to think that, but it's not what would happen. Let's follow the money for a moment...

    Clear Channel and the other huge companies could and would pay without even flinching, and just jack up their ad rates to cover the increased costs (and then some, since they can now blame RIAA for pretty much ANY amount of rate increase). Big Media wins, makes more money, gets bigger.

    Advertisers now have Big Media sucking up a larger chunk of their advertising budgets, so they have to make cuts somewhere. Since the smaller, independent stations (are there any left?) have to pay RIAA too, their costs go up. With smaller audience shares, they are now even less cost effective than before. Advertisers pull ads from small stations to pay for the ads on big stations, small stations are now in an even bigger hurt than before.

    Because the FCC has been spreading its legs for media companies for so long - and Congress is too clueless to notice or care -- Big Media is now able to suck up even more smaller stations as their financial position becomes untenable. Big Media wins again, makes even MORE money, gets even bigger. Talk radio and NPR survive as the only alternative to what Clear Channel, Journal Broadcast and the other handful of winners want you to hear.

    This would be a huge long term win for the handful of huge media companies that now control most of the market anyway. Unfortunately, I suspect it would be a Pyrrhic vistory. They've alreay driven millions to satellite radio, and this would probably drive nails into terrestrial broadcast radio's coffin at an even faster rate.

    Once the sattelite channels are devoting as much time to advertising as they are to music, we're right back to where we started - buy now you're PAYING to listen to it, which works out far better for the media companies. You're not naieve enough to think THAT won't happen, are you?

  16. Re:Give them what they want! by WhatAmIDoingHere · · Score: 5, Funny

    A delicious mix of herbs and spices that makes music better?

    I don't get it.

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  17. Everyone calm down, I think this is the onion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    http://www.theonion.com/content/node/27696

    I bet you someone reported the onion as fact again... everyone just calm down.

  18. Proof that musicians are deluded by seanonymous · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Mary Wilson, who with Diana Ross and Florence Ballard formed the original Supremes, said the exemption was unfair and forced older musicians to continue touring to pay their bills."

    Oh no! You mean those poor musicians have to keep working, just like the rest of us!? What is this world coming to!?

    Does an older assembly line worker at Ford continue to get paid every time someone drives a classic Mustang? Does an Amish quilt maker get a nickel every time someone gets cold and covers up? Of course not! Then what makes musicians so special?

    Idiots. Get back to work!