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Smithsonian 'Toned Down the Science' In Climate Change Exhibit

An anonymous reader writes "According to an International Herald Tribune article, the Smithsonian pre-emptively toned down the scientific content of a climate change exhibit put into place last year. The changes, including removal of scientist conclusions and muddying of displayed data, were made to ensure that the exhibit would not offend the Congress or the White House. Pressure brought to bear by Institute officials resulted in the resignation of Robert Sullivan, a sixteen year veteran of the organization. 'This is not the first time the Smithsonian has been accused of taking politics into consideration. The congressionally chartered institution scaled down a 1995 exhibit of the restored Enola Gay, the B-29 that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, after veterans complained it focused too much on the damage and deaths. Amid the oil-drilling debate in 2003, a photo exhibit of Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge was moved to a less prominent space.'"

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  1. They are following the "Golden Rule". by AltGrendel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who ever has the gold, makes the rules.

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  2. Self-policing by PIPBoy3000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The most troublesome part is that it was Smithsonian's administration that wanted the changes, not people from the US administration.

    There's two kinds of people: those that change their beliefs to fit the facts and those that change the facts to fit their beliefs.

    When you're changing the facts to fit other people's beliefs, well, I guess you get the budget dollars but lose all self-respect.

    1. Re:Self-policing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      This is what happened in Iraq, when the White House sent over people who had the proper Republican Party credentials, but not the credentials to do the job; it's one of the major reasons the occupation there has been such a disaster.

      Ah, but you're wrong there - Iraq has been an incredible success, and accomplished the real reason Bush and Cheney had for invading in the first place!

      Bush, Cheney, all their friends and all their families made their money in oil. How to better enrich the family coffers? Drive up the price of oil. How better to do that? Destabilize the part of the world with most of the oil.

      Gasoline was a dollar a gallon here when the Oil Barons took over the white house in 2000. I paid $3.36 this morning; I put five bucks in and the "empty" light didn't even go out.

      Mission accomplished.

      -mcgrew

    2. Re:Self-policing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Only a lunatic, or someone supremely ignorant of history, believes that the current Administration is unusual in this respect."

      So by default we should just allow our politicians to act in this way and force no idea of accountability. I am getting really F***ing tired of people telling me to not blame the current administration for playing politics rather than governing with the people in mind. Should we all roll over and let this continue? Just accept it over and over again? It is people like you that have no counter argument for this incompetence except everyone does it. Not ALL politicians are solely in it for the good of themselves, if you say that is absolutely wrong than we have a HUGE problem. Not only do the politicians act this way, we let them and expect nothing better.

      Expect more and hold them accountable when they don't perform. Thats the way we will see the govt act as they should. WE SHOULD COMPLAIN and not hear the a$$holes that say we shouldn't bitch because everyone does it. Not an excuse. I've even been told that I should go republican because at least they are upfront about their partisanship. Thats bullshit because then you can't hold them accountable for their actions because you accept it. Thats ridiculous!!

      Get a better argument or don't post.

  3. well by mastershake_phd · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well maybe the administration isnt responsible for all the stuff that goes on. If the Smithsonian would pre-emptively change how it does things just because it thinks thats whats expected of it, then all you need is the idea that you are going to suppress certain ideas, not actively pursue their suppression.

  4. Lines from the article, with commentary by PHAEDRU5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "...the script...was rewritten to minimize and inject more uncertainty into the relationship between global warming and humans..." Imagine that! Uncertainty in science. If you want certainty, get a shaman/priest/rabbi.

    "...officials omitted scientists' interpretation of some research and let visitors draw their own conclusions from the data..." Why would they do that? Don't they know the great unwashed can't be trusted to draw trhe "proper" inferences?!?!!?!!

    "...changes were made for reasons of objectivity. And some scientists who consulted on the project said nothing major was omitted." Speaks for itself, I guess.

    *AND*, despite the summary above, "Sullivan said that to his knowledge, no one in the Bush administration pressured the Smithsonian."

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    1. Re:Lines from the article, with commentary by RingDev · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Sullivan said that to his knowledge, no one in the Bush administration pressured the Smithsonian."

      Yeah, and Gonzo can't remember anyone from the White House giving him a list of lawyers to fire. What's your point?

      -Rick

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    2. Re:Lines from the article, with commentary by slamb · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There is nothing wrong with explaining how scientists interpret data. The data themselves only give part of the picture, especially to non-scientists who don't know as much about the issues.

      It helps to look at all of the data. In each case you listed, it would be wild speculation at best to reject the "implied conclusion" in favor of the "interpretation", unless you did so based on more "raw data" that you presented. How do you know that CO2 causes additional temperature increases? How do you know there was a brief spike in volcanism? How do you know the increase in solar intensity is insignificant? These are key questions - good scientists don't look at fixed data sets and choose interpretations to rationalize the conclusions they've already made. Instead, they come up with ideas, use them to design calculations/experiments and predictions, carry through, examine the result, and repeat.

      That said, it's unrealistic to expect people to properly analyze all the data on climate change in the half hour or less they spend in the exhibit. The best approach in presenting science to the public is to give people a taste of the process (some evidence with the best present analysis, maybe some history of the field, maybe walk them through devising a simple experiment), an idea of where to learn more (maybe books in the gift shop), and also the result. That result is what most scientists currently believe, with their stated level of confidence. ("Result" isn't quite the right word, since it can change, but it will have to do.)

  5. Re:science by heinousjay · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Because your message is one of fear. You've got to learn to express things differently because fear only works if you have the might to back things up.

    (Not you specifically.)

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  6. Re:science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Because both sides have abandoned reason and are trying to convince people emotionally (and if you don't think the green side fits this description, feel free to look into how Greenpeace recruits). I don't know if reason and logic can win in politics, but nobody should be surprised that when you completely abandon it then next thing you start to do is scream and throw feces at each other.

  7. Why Not? by WED+Fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Al Gore toned down the science for his film. Or, he substituted science with hype. Even the scientist who accept the man-caused model find Al's wild *ssed misuse of science a little frightening.

    If anyone is going to take it seriously, hyped arguments, with incredibly weak holes are going to drive people away from the true science. When a true scientist says, "Look, I have proof of man-caused climate change", the Gore-Hype-Doom-Weary-Joe-Everybody is going to ignore it.

    Ignore Gore, DiCapprio, Robbins, Madonna, Rosie, etc. and lets get the truth separated from the hype, or it will be ignored.

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    1. Re:Why Not? by WED+Fan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How about the UN report, and other NGO's talk about the sea level rising a matter of inches (17 inches approximately) and Gore goes hyperbolic (20 feet)?

      Look, Gore is as good to the environmental movement as Jerry Falwell was to the Christians. Falwell permanently cast the movement as a whacko fringe. Make of point of saying you are a Christian and you will find yourself categorized with Falwell, Robertson, and Reed. Gore is going to make it so that saying you are an environmentalist will put you in the company of wild-eyed-cool-aid drinking nut jobs.

      Soon, serious scientists will eschew the moniker of "environmentalist" and run as fast from the position as possible. The same as liberal church goers are loath to make open declarations of faith for fear of needing to explain that they "are Christian, but not of that ilk."

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    2. Re:Why Not? by nine-times · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think this is very important for people to remember. I forget who said it first, but the fastest way to lose an argument is to exaggerate. Even if you're right, if you're blatantly obvious about exaggerating your own points and failing to acknowledge your opponents points, people won't believe you. Even if you're right.

      When dealing with a topic like global warming, credibility is incredibly important because almost no one (by which I mean among laymen) understands the science. Even relative to other sciences, studying climate and weather is incredibly complex and imprecise. So in order to preserve the credibility of those warning us about global warming-- people, please don't exaggerate. Don't try to convince people of things you yourself don't understand. Don't predict unlikely worst-case scenarios when the likely scenarios are bad enough. Just make honest arguments about only the things you understand, admit to the places where your understanding is unclear, and settle down on the hype.

      If we exercised this sort of restraint, our arguments on a wide variety of subjects would probably be more productive. I say "probably" only because I'm basing this on nothing wider than my own personal experience. When you overstate your points and exaggerate the support for your arguments, you're only giving your opponents ammunition to shoot you down.

    3. Re:Why Not? by nine-times · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I would like to live in the world you imagine, but it's hard to reconcile that idea with the popularity of "young Earth" creationism. Religion and pseudoscience do what you call the fastest way to lose an argument, yet in the minds of many Americans they haven't lost...

      I don't really want to bring the conversation in this direction, but since you brought it up:

      I think people who get extremely angry about creationists do just the thing I'm talking about when arguing in favor of evolution. They try to argue that the evidence of evolution proves the non-existence of God, they argue as though you cannot doubt a single aspect of current evolutionary theory, they argue that no sane person could believe a god had anything to do with the creation of human beings, and they claim that creationism has been disproved.

      In fact, there are many different theories that all get referred to as "creationism", and most of them have not been disproved because most of them cannot be disproved. This is a sign that the theories are not scientific theories. No one has proven the non-existence of God, and no one will prove or disprove the existence of God, which is a good indication that He is not the subject of science. And, in fact, their are a myriad of ways that a person could believe evolution has taken place, yet also believe God is real, and also believe that God had some part of creating life and creating human beings.

      To go further, I'd say that you are guilty of exaggerating and overstating your case: you imply that religion is inherently faulty and poor grounds for argumentation. However, religion can be relevant in many non-scientific discussions on a wide variety of subjects, but the sort of thinking that goes on in religion is not a good model for scientific investigation. Similarly, the scientific method is a very good model for investigations into scientific subjects, but it falters in some other areas of thought.

      My point is, arguments/discussions can be very helpful to both sides when we shake off our adversarial hostility, quit trying to prove each other "wrong" in order to "win" the argument, and we talk to each other like human beings. If your position is right and your argument is good, you shouldn't need artificial exaggerations to prove your point.

      Even so, it's true that some people will never do this. Some people will continue to make dishonest arguments and some people will fail to listen to even the best and most correct argument. Still, on the whole, there are few advantages in an argument stronger than credibility and correctness. Don't throw them away so easily.

  8. Re:Money ALWAYS comes with strings attached by malsdavis · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's like your typical parent company shareholder override situation:

    The Smithsonian institute are funded by the government of the United States.
    Most of the current Congressmen / Senators / President which make up the government of the United States are funded by the big Oil companies.

    The big Oil companies obviously don't want to see pictures of Climate Change or pictures of the national parks they are in the process of trashing and so get what they see as their subsidiary company to "make the changes".

    Courtesy of United States Inc.

  9. Re:Government funding by grub · · Score: 5, Insightful


    I guess these guys have to be as politically neutral as possible.

    That's crap. Politics has no place in science. "It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends on not understanding it" comes to mind when politics and science meet.

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  10. The motivation is the problem by Sciros · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Whatever changes the Smithsonian makes in the name of giving science exposure, I am fine with. But when they get motivated by politics, and so openly at that, they are compromising everything the Smithsonian stands for!

    Yet another reason I prefer NYC's American Museum of Natural History to its inferior counterpart in D.C.

    And *I* am one of those folks who feels that there is less certainty to the science behind climate change than some researchers (let alone the public) do. So I should be pleased, but I'm not at all. Putting more research up, whether to clarify the picture or to show that most of it is inconclusive, that would be fine. But "toning down" stuff in an unscientific manner (you can "tone down" projections if a statistical analysis makes it appropriate, I suppose) and hiding information is just irresponsible.

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  11. Here's one by benhocking · · Score: 3, Insightful

    First of all, I liked the movie. However, one thing that he did exaggerate (by omission) was his discussion of the 20 foot rise in sea levels. Sure, if either the ice on Greenland or the West Shelf of Antarctica melts, sea levels will rise (at least) 20 feet. If both melt, sea levels will rise 40 feet. Of course, no scientist (that I'm aware of) is predicting either to happen in the next 100 years. So, his facts were right, but the implication (that this would happen reasonably soon if things don't change) is not.

    Global warming is serious and should be addressed in an intelligent, deliberate manner. Over-hyping it is counter-productive.

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  12. Toning Down Science or Spin? by rb4havoc · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Honestly, from looking at the article, they were taking out the spin of global warming. For some reason, people act like the conclusions scientists make are golden and shouldn't be questioned, such as global warming. With as long as the Earth has been around (either if you believe millions or thousands of years), the amount of reliable statistical data we have about the Earth's climate is rather wanting and nowhere near enough to form solid conclusions about global warming existing or not. If they really want to push the envelope about it, wait for a few hundred more years to pass and continue to collect data, then you may have enough to possibly reach a definite conclusion. Seriously though, 100-150 years of meteorological data (and the fact that all that data doesn't even represent all the major climate regions of the Earth, especially the arctic regions) is like a grain of sand on the beach and doesn't amount to much at all.

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  13. Caught me off guard... by FunWithKnives · · Score: 3, Insightful

    scaled down a 1995 exhibit of the restored Enola Gay, the B-29 that dropped the atomic bomb on Hiroshima, after veterans complained it focused too much on the damage and deaths.

    Exactly what else was that exhibit supposed to focus on? It was a war. Contrary to what our mass media and politicians would like us to believe, people actually do die in war, and it normally doesn't happen as movies and television like to dramatise. That plane dropped an atomic bomb, the first of its kind and one of only two to ever be dropped, that was responsible for the most deaths ever from a single explosive. If it didn't have that distinction, no one would care. It would just be yet another bomber from World War II. Personally, I think the exhibit should have been far more detailed than it was. Maybe a few shots of the barren wasteland that was once Hiroshima, or victims' fucking shadows etched into the sand from the detonation. The after-effects of the radiation, perhaps.

    All exhibits, however, regardless of how important they seem, should be as detailed as possible. We should absolutely strive to put them in the correct context, and present the facts, unabashed, to the best of our knowledge. Kowtowing to any particular group or person does a grave disservice to society as a whole, because it will only result in the dissemination of misinformation, or at the very least only partial information. We can all digest the facts and come to our own conclusions, but the facts themselves are essential to the process.

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  14. Sometimes... by jd · · Score: 4, Insightful
    ...the public damn well should be pissed off. The public has no more of a monopoly on the truth than anyone else, and mythistory can have unexpected and dangerous consequences. Sure, pacifying the public give a nice feel-good glow to life, but it's no different from claiming that we've always been at war with Eurasia.

    Whether the museum curator in the parent posting existed or not, I salute anyone with the guts and gall to question assumptions and place integrity above deceit. And, yes, such people probably will lose jobs and - in rare cases - possibly a whole lot more. History teaches us, however, that in the long run, inaccuracies do get weeded out. Nobody these days uses Geoffrey of Monmouth's History of the British Kings as a textbook, and popular Victorian school texts (which depicted Iron Age Britain as filled with unkempt cave-dwelling barbarians with no language or culture) have been replaced with more reliable and infinitely more believable studies of Celtic life.

    Pissing off the public with the truth is inevitable. It will happen, sooner or later. May as well get it over and done with quickly, even if that carries risk. Life is all about risk - so why not take risks that might make a difference?

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    1. Re:Sometimes... by bigdavex · · Score: 4, Insightful

      History teaches us, however, that in the long run, inaccuracies do get weeded out.

      Devil's Advocate:

      How do we know that? Maybe historians of all times view their current generation as most accurate, even if they're really re-writing history less accurately.

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    2. Re:Sometimes... by elrous0 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Life is all about risk - so why not take risks that might make a difference?

      Because, with this approach, you WON'T make a difference. There ARE ways to change things more effectively, and without getting fired or shot. The guy who comes in and immediately upsets every applecart will be immediately dismissed as a madman and disposed of.

      The trick is moderation and respect. You don't come in and destroy every icon that the public holds dear. Maybe you quietly change the "This is George Washington's musket" to "Legend has it that this is George Washington's Musket" but you don't just take it down and throw it away. Pissing people off is generally not way to get through to anyone--just a good way to get fired (as the Enola Gay exhibit designers can tell you).

      A museum is NOT the same as the tenured ivory walls of a university. Maybe it SHOULD be, but it most definitely is not. Anyone who thinks this will have a VERY short stay at the Smithsonian or any other public museum, and will influence no one.

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  15. Re:Overheard at the Smithsonian by Jeremi · · Score: 4, Insightful
    The moral of the story? Piss off the public and they WILL shoot you.


    Or to put it more elegantly: You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad.

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  16. Re:science by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Fucking retard.

  17. This might be a bit off-topic by photomonkey · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I was on assignment in Washington DC for the spring and summer months of 2004. The last time I had been there prior to 2004 was when I was about 8.

    In what time off work I could find, I went to the Smithsonians (except the portrait museum, as it was closed, and the Native American museum, because it had not yet opened), and was rather disappointed by all but one.

    The Air and Space museum, although home to a lot of really cool planes, was filthy. Dust everywhere, stained floors, etc. Also, from what I do remember about my visit now nearly 20 years later, much of the museum's public collection was the same. In fact, I didn't find much to look at there beyond the planes themselves. There were no interesting placards that I can recall, no interesting multimedia, and seemingly no information newer than about 1991.

    The same goes for the American History museum. It seemed very propaganda-y. Major cultural divides throughout US history were glossed over or ignored completely. I remember specifically reading about how something to the effect of "some native peoples were unhappy about the country's expansion across the Great Plains." Yeah, I bet at least a few were unhappy.

    What saddens me the most is that while I was there, the Natural History museum was the best one. Their displays were modernized, they had exhibits about current issues, the IMAX I went to was great, the facility was clean and the placards with the exhibits, although were somewhat simplified, were appropriate for a somewhat educated audience.

    The Smithsonian Institution really is one of America's treasures. When people visit London, they hit the British Museum. In Paris, it's the Louvre. DC has the Smithsonian(s). Those facilities are home to much of the physical historical record of this country. They see millions of visitors per year.

    Why not put politics aside, at least mostly, and let them be run as well as they deserve to be?

    Sadly, I suspect I already know the answer.

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  18. Why should that excuse anything? by benhocking · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Just because someone else is doing it (even if they're doing it worse), it doesn't make it OK for us to do. What's most puzzling is this comment:

    It is the justification for the conquests presented in Yasukuni (and I was only able to see the English versions of them, native versions are, likely, even more extremist), that we should be objecting to...
    Why can't we object to both?
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  19. Re:science by smittyoneeach · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Yeah, but the power of fear diminishes exponentially over time.
    Thus, showing "An Inconvenient Truth" to high-schoolers four or five times makes them indifferent, or worse, nihilistic.
    Get the kids some exercise, get them playing some sports, get them into photographing nature. Make the bad things seem boring.
    Summary: the positive approach is the better long-term investment, unless you're a shrink or an anti-depressant vendor.

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  20. Re:Common knowledge? On what channel? by Ambitwistor · · Score: 3, Insightful
    "In Europe, Henk Tennekes was dismissed as research director of the Royal Dutch Meteorological Society after questioning the scientific underpinnings of global warming. Aksel Winn-Nielsen, former director of the U.N.'s World Meteorological Organization, was tarred by Bert Bolin, first head of the IPCC, as a tool of the coal industry for questioning climate alarmism. Respected Italian professors Alfonso Sutera and Antonio Speranza disappeared from the debate in 1991, apparently losing climate-research funding for raising questions."

    Ah, spin. Was Tennekes dismissed for asking uncomfortable questions? There is no evidence of this; as far as I can tell, he simply retired, and most of his public skepticism was after he left. (And even if he was dismissed, what were the circumstances? Was he speaking in an official capacity, or his own? He arguably doesn't have free reign to use his job title to trump up support for a position at odds with his employer.) Was Winn-Nielsen a tool of the coal industry? Did Sutera and Speranza lose funding for raising uncomfortable questions? Or because they were out-competed by other proposals? It's not as if they were blackballed: they're both still publishing, as is Lindzen!

    The notion that if you're ignorant of something and somebody comes up with a wrong answer, and you have to accept that because you don't have another wrong answer to offer is like faith healing

    A straw man. The IPCC does not push such a notion.

    When IPCC numbers are at the edge of the error bars, What IPCC numbers are at the edge of the error bars?

    and situations so laughably implausable as the A1FI scenario are treated as genuine risks, you've stepped far from the realm of science. The SRES emissions scenarios have their flaws, but are not "laughably implausible"; see, e.g., the conclusions of Tol, O'Neill, and van Vuuren (2005). In any case, the A1 scenarios are not believed to be the most likely.

    It is not okay to say that we're going to put a large number of cities underwater

    The IPCC does not say this.

    and that we are certain that is all on the back of CO2.

    Nor this.
  21. Re:Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by Farmer+Tim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Before accusing the US government of polishing up its record, check out what the kind, benign, "Hello Kitty" modern Japan is doing.

    Why? What connection is there between how Japan portrays it's military history and whether the Smithsonian's exhibits are correct, other than the word "museum"? Both institutes have a duty to convey accurate information; they both failed to do so, and in my view that makes them both short of the standard.

    And that's the point: if your standard is "not as bad as the other guy", you don't grasp what "standards" are. It doesn't matter whether you have 5 tons of bullshit or 50 tons, it's still bullshit, and attempting to justify one quantity with the other is a slow race to the bottom.

    Defending the fellow Asians from the racist Europeans.

    Pure propaganda to hide the events of 60 years ago. Fortunately, when we torture and kill civilians today, we're "liberating them in the name of democracy", so it's totally different.

    It is the justification for the conquests presented in Yasukuni that we should be objecting to...

    No, we should be objecting to any distortion of facts by anyone at all, regardless of how trivial it may seem (though I'd argue that unbiased presentations about climate change are more important to the future of the world than Japan acknowledging long past war crimes). Since the majority of /. readers live in the US, it is appropriate for them to be concerned about standards in their own community first and foremost.

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  22. It's not about pissing, Its about voting. by Irvu · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When Bush and Congress stand up for their stump speeches and tout how well they've done they feel that its important that we actually believe that, particularly when they say they've done a good job studying global warming because we don't know enough as Bush is wont to say.

    If, however the general public actually learns that the problem is real and hasn't been attacked aggressively then they'll start shopping around for someone else to protect them.

    While historically speaking the comparison to evolution is apt it might be better to compare it with the level of "terrorist threat" or the war with Eurasia. In the former case the issue is one of protection, are we making our "way of life" safer. With the War on Terror(tm) the claim is that Bush and Cronies are fighting the enemy and succeeding (look how many terrorists we have convicted and put behind bars). With Global Warming the claim is that it isn't a problem so they don't have to act on it. In either case the tendency to lash out at those who say that they are doing a bad job with respect to terror (journalists, PBS, research scientists) or global warming (scientists again, schools and museums) is just a natural reaction. Because if they aren't doing a good job they lose the license to give kickbacks and generally ruin things that they now have.

    At the end of the day it is all about power and money.

  23. Re:Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by Speedracer1870 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It seems you are just as arrogant an American as the rest of us.
    I was in Japan last year for about 2 months. Although I've never been to the Yasakuni shrine, I have visited the Hiroshima Peace Memorial with a Japanese friend. The memorial was suprisingly fair to America, and it must be pretty good to convince a republican Marine of this. I spoke at length with my friend about the bomb. She said, "the winners may write history, but the losers also have their story. They both are slanted."
    My point is this: There are things like the Yasakuni shrine all over America. I'm not saying it's right, but they are out there. (read Lies Across America) It is the responsibility of US to teach our children not to take everything the government says as true, lest they become part of the ignorant masses.
    There is a fate even worse than being uneducated. That would be ignorance with an intellectual superiority complex.

  24. Re:Ever visited the Yasukuni shrine's museum? by caranha · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I don't quite understand this post, what has Japan to do with this particular story? There are plenty of biased museums around the world, that is for sure.

    Anyway, while I do find the exhibits in Yasukuni's "museum" sick, there is a glaring difference between it and the Smithsonian:

    Yasukuni is a privately run, privately funded institution - The americans made sure to separate it from the government during the U.S. rule of Japan after the 2nd world war.

    Call it biased - it is, and doesn't hide that - but the japanese taxpayer money does not go into it.