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850K RegisterFly Domains Moved To GoDaddy

miller60 writes "The long-suffering customers of RegisterFly should soon be able to manage their names again after ICANN arranged for the transfer of its 850,000 domains to GoDaddy.com. ICANN terminated RegisterFly's accreditation back in March but it took a court order to pry the domains loose so they could be transferred to another registrar. For those just joining the story (see earlier discussions on Slashdot), RegisterFly is the New Jersey domain registrar that collapsed amid management chaos in February, leaving most customers unable to manage, renew, or transfer their domains. ICANN, which was widely criticized for its inability to do more for RegisterFly customers, expressed relief at the saga's apparent conclusion."

120 comments

  1. Publicly traded company? by ookabooka · · Score: 1

    Is RegisterFly a publicly traded company? I'd like to invest.

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  2. Why godaddy? by crunzh · · Score: 1

    Why godaddy? Why could people not chose what register to transfer to?

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    1. Re:Why godaddy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because you don't OWN a domain. You are permitted to use it.

      I wonder if you could register your SSN# and then say This is MY number. Sure, you can KNOW it but to veriify, visit my site 123-34-5678.us and type in the captcha I just put up there.

      Gah.

      I wish the same property laws applied to domain names.

    2. Re:Why godaddy? by eln · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm guessing probably because GoDaddy had the capacity to take them, and probably approached ICANN with a canned solution ready to go at a time when ICANN was running around like a chicken with its head cut off trying to figure out what to do. Now that customers have control over their domains again, they should be able to transfer them to whatever registrar they want.

    3. Re:Why godaddy? by gbulmash · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "Why godaddy? Why could people not chose what register to transfer to?"

      Because the more options people are provided, the more complex the solution becomes, making it harder to implement and harder to understand, which means it takes longer to go live and creates greater levels of confusion when it does.

      This is a simple solution (hopefully) that clears things up as quickly as possible (hopefully), and when everything has settled down (hopefully), people will be able to transfer their domains from GoDaddy to wherever they want.

      Greg

    4. Re:Why godaddy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Because GoDaddy offered a wad of cash to Registerfly to buy their customers. (ICANN called it a "commercial transaction") Registerfly gets the cash they need to pay court fees, GoDaddy gets thousands of new customers (lots of revenue potential from renewals and add-ons), and registerfly customers get control of their domains back. A win-win-win deal, more or less.

    5. Re:Why godaddy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because GoDaddy paid a large sum of money for RegisterFly's assets.

      This isn't altruism, it's a business deal.

    6. Re:Why godaddy? by neoform · · Score: 1

      Now that customers have control over their domains again, they should be able to transfer them to whatever registrar they want.


      I see you haven't dealt with Godaddy's tech support much..
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    7. Re:Why godaddy? by iminplaya · · Score: 2, Interesting

      A win-win-win deal, more or less.

      Maybe for GoDaddy and Registerfly. Certainly not for the customers

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    8. Re:Why godaddy? by edwdig · · Score: 1

      Do you really think the customers would have been better off with control of their domains staying with a defunct company?

    9. Re:Why godaddy? by pimpimpim · · Score: 1

      I hope that the people whose domain got transferred might take some time to overthink if choosing for the low-budget high-volume registrant was a good idea after all. Maybe they can find a more expensive solution that will actually do the trick in a reliable way, with decent service. Domain registration is about the smallest cost of the total costs for an internet service, why get scroogy on it? I pay about 14 euro now at the locally based server farm that also hosts my site, I could get it for less than 7 dollars at some unknown hard-to-reach registrar overseas, of course, but why would I think that would be a smart idea?

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    10. Re:Why godaddy? by kimba · · Score: 1

      Registrants can transfer from Go Daddy to whichever registrar they like.

    11. Re:Why godaddy? by rs79 · · Score: 1

      Ya know, what strikes me as odd is this: back in the pre-ICANN era when the formation of the "newco" to administer domains was all the rage on mailing lists everywhere there was a substantial show of support for the notion we don't actually need a corporation to do this sort of thing and that an industry trade association would work instead. And if that wasn't working there was always the court system to fall back on in cases of dire emergancy.

      The ICANN wonks asserted that private contracts with all players with them as the central body was the way to go.

      I see now ICANN had to get a court order to do what they needed. Gee, it's almost like they're not needed.

      Lum de de da da de do de dee.

      Did they remove the fine print from the ICANN articles that said they'd escrow data in case of a business failure?

      It's difficult to believe the internet is getting it's $43M/yr worth from these clowns.

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    12. Re:Why godaddy? by PequalsNP · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Unless moving away from GoDaddy requires a substantial cost or effort it seems like a reasonable solution.

    13. Re:Why godaddy? by Southpaw018 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Er...first, my experiences with their support have all been good, and as far as they go I'm definitely a small fish. Second, why do you even need tech support to transfer? Log in to your account, go to the domain control panel, and transfer it. The link's right there. Last time I transferred a domain from GoDaddy to another registrar, the initiation was done in under 5 minutes. Then there's the few day wait time for the transfer, and that's it.

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    14. Re:Why godaddy? by neoform · · Score: 1

      I was one of those delightfully luck people who got slapped with the $200 extortion fine where they threatened to release my domain if i didn't pay them off because they received a spam report that apparently showed me to be a spammer (a single anonymous email reporting it).

      I had to deal with their tech support for 2 days spending hours on hold talking to countless people before i could convince them to allow me to transfer the domain (they rejected all transfer requests).

      Yeah, GoDaddy's a real peach. :|

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    15. Re:Why godaddy? by iminplaya · · Score: 1

      The whole domain name service thing has become too corrupted by business. It's time to find another way. The only thing I can think of for now is to keep a personal hosts file. A real kludge, but if the business gets out of hand, I don't see a choice. I've already started as an attempt to reduce redirects by my ISP. It's hit 'n miss(mostly miss), but practice makes perfect. My aim is to make ICANN and GoDaddy, etc. irrelevant. Besides, what difference does it make if you stay with a defunct company or the live one blocks your site? The people that got switched over may be better off for now, but I would advise they look for an alternative as time goes by. Obviously, under the present circumstances, nobody can be trusted.

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    16. Re:Why godaddy? by DjRenigade · · Score: 0

      my domain was hosted by them and i got it xfered on the first round to Enom. I have a defunct hosting package and money setting with registerfly and i cant get those assholes on the phone or email or via fax. They suck ass!!! http://renigade.blogspot.com/

    17. Re:Why godaddy? by Puppet+Master · · Score: 2, Informative
      ...probably approached ICANN with a canned solution ready to go...

      Actually GoDaddy approached Registerfly alone, outside of ICANN.
      The deal was made on the back end. Kevin Medina
      had to know this was his best alternative because ICANN
      was/is suing the pants off of him.

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    18. Re:Why godaddy? by gregraven · · Score: 1

      "Win-win-win" -- except for the millions of new e-mails that GoDaddy will be sending those 850,000 new customers. Haven't they suffered enough already?

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  3. An interesting experiment... by Kadin2048 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, this should allow us to finally answer the long-standing question: "Is GoDaddy better than a bunch of thieving incompetents?"

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    1. Re:An interesting experiment... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "This domain has been parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com"

      No, they're not.

    2. Re:An interesting experiment... by trolltalk.com · · Score: 1

      "Is godaddy a bunch of thieves?"
      "This domain has been parked free, courtesy of GoDaddy.com"
      No, they're not.

      I guess you didn't see all the ad links on those "free" parking pages. Example: http://xeroxmyass.com/

      Heinlein said it best - TANSTAAFL.

    3. Re:An interesting experiment... by fermion · · Score: 1
      I have never noticed that godaddy is incompetent, just overly annoying with it's value added services. There was a time when GoDaddy was a great value, and in many ways still is, but shifting market forces have made other registrars, such as namecheap(not cheapnames, which appears to a godaddy shill), a equally good value without the barrage of special offers.

      About the only negative thing I can say about godaddy is that I could not transfer one of my domains, it expired, and now godaddy appears to be holding it hostage for $80. Not incompetent, just extremely aggressive marketing.

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    4. Re:An interesting experiment... by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Dude, the question was "Is Godaddy better than a bunch of thieves"

      The answer is no.

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  4. And if you had your domain transferred to GoDaddy by Gogl · · Score: 1, Informative

    I suggest you have it transferred again.

  5. Wonderful choice, ICANN... by ShaunC · · Score: 1

    So you transfer these poor folks' domains from one registrar known for shady practices to another? How about at least transferring them to an OpenSRS registrar, or (gasp!) releasing all holds on the domains and giving the customer the choice of where to transfer to?

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  6. Registrars... by packetmon · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of when Register.com faced delisting. I wondered what would happen to my domains which were registered their at the time should they have gone under... At one point in time, they (register.com) were the only ones next to then Network Solutions who had the accreditation to register domain names (1998-1999ish) -- and shortly afterwards others were allowed to become registrars... Anyhow, back then - even now perhaps - there was little one could do in matters to moving domain names between registrars. I've had to move domains back and forth and it was a nightmare. There was no oversight, no set rules for a registrar to follow, nor any mention of failover should a situation like this happen. And I don't mean failover in the server sense. I mean failover in the registrar going under sense. Its a dual edged sword makes you kind of wish there was one sole registrar... In matters of this article, I wonder why they gave control of the domains to solely one registrar. Why not split them up evenly or give domain owners a choice of who they want managing their domains... Perhaps there should be an Open Source registrar...

  7. oh great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    850,000 domains that now can be held hostage by GoDaddy and auctioned off to the highest bidder, rather than just expiring and being released, like they should be.

  8. Re:And if you had your domain transferred to GoDad by Grant29 · · Score: 1

    I've used GoDaddy plenty of times in the past with no problems. Imagine the sheer number of domains they have registered, if only a few get shut down here and there it's probably a negligible percentage. I'm sure similar situations have happened with other registrars too.

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  9. This GO DADDY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait


    The one which locks out domains on any unsubstantiated claim of abuse? That GoDaddy?

    Fuck them, better the domains went back to NetSol. At least they aren't complete assholes.

  10. netcraft change ? by makapuf · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I don't know what registerfly ran on, but given that godaddy seems to be on windows, it might be that a sizeable % of those 850k domains will be counted as "windows" in 1,2,3 ... therefore confirming imminent apache death.

    1. Re:netcraft change ? by roger6106 · · Score: 1

      It's only Godaddy's parked domain names that run on Windows. If the domains that are transfered are sent to parked pages, Windows will only have a temporary spike until the domain owners update the information.

    2. Re:netcraft change ? by LMacG · · Score: 1

      The story is about registrations, not hosting. Even so, GoDaddy offers both Windows and Linus hosting services.

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    3. Re:netcraft change ? by fo0bar · · Score: 1

      The story is about registrations, not hosting. Even so, GoDaddy offers both Windows and Linus hosting services. I don't think Linus would take GoDaddy up on Windows hosting.
    4. Re:netcraft change ? by g0at · · Score: 1

      Do you understand the difference between DNS/WHOIS and HTTP?

      -b

    5. Re:netcraft change ? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Netcraft confirms it: Apache is DYING!

    6. Re:netcraft change ? by makapuf · · Score: 1

      Do you understand the difference between DNS/WHOIS and HTTP? Yes hence I spoke of a percentage (parked domains) and not of the totality of sites. I might have to be more explicit next time.
  11. If My Experience is Any Indication.... by queenb**ch · · Score: 1, Interesting

    GoDaddy.com might not be a big improvement. I know that I've not been impressed with them at all. I don't care HOW cheap their hosting gets, I'll certainly never host anything with them again. The hosting company I normally use is about $7 a month. I get a live English speaking CLUE-FUL human no matter what time I call tech support and I seldom have to call. By comparison, GoDaddy is about $3 a month and I've spent more time on the phone with GoDaddy than I do with my mother. Our connections to our database keep failing, an issue which GoDaddy is either unwilling or unable to correct. When your entire web site is a dynamic, database driven site that effectively puts us off the air. Spending hours with an outage that my friends in Atlanta, GA; Washington, DC; Portald, OR; Hamburg, Germany; Calcutta, India; Hong Kong; Tiawan; and Nairobi, Kenya can all see but technical support staff at GoDaddy can't seem to spot is flatly unacceptable. Then they have the nerve to tell me that it's my ISP and they can't help me. I've certainly learned my lesson and for less than the cost of a latte every month I can have peace of mind and web site that works.

    2 cents,

    Queen B.

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    1. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How about you pay more then $3/month if you want reliable hosting, eh? You get what you pay for.

    2. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Knara · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Where's my mod points when I need them...

      Businesses should not be run on shared hosting accounts. Every time there's a hardware problem on a Dreamhost shared box/cluster, for example, there's a whole pile of morons complaining that their business is losing money, etc etc.

      Dedicated hosting or colocation, people. Pay for an SLA!

    3. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by TooMuchToDo · · Score: 1

      And I to, unable to mod due to my post. Rare is it nowadays you find technical people competent enough to understand the need to pay for quality web hosting. I raise my beer to you sir!

    4. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



      Screw whoever modded this off-topic. I think it's very relavant.

      I still have a dozen domains at GD, but I'm always looking for something better. I need the full WHOIS privacy thing, though, and as far as I know Registerfly was the only other ICANN registrar to offer it?

      That's a question. Thanks.

      : )

    5. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by wfberg · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Businesses should not be run on shared hosting accounts. Every time there's a hardware problem on a Dreamhost shared box/cluster, for example, there's a whole pile of morons complaining that their business is losing money, etc etc.

      Dedicated hosting or colocation, people. Pay for an SLA!


      I've seen this bandied about on dreamhost's forums before. But face it, $7/month for hosting isn't cheap. I could run my puny little website off my home PC and ADSL line with no problem, so any money at all that's spent on hosting outside the door is spent there for a reason: economies of scale. That $7 times thousands of customers should be able to buy some redundant power supplies, for example. Dreamhost's particular problem is that while they do a whole lot of things right, the building they're located in does not have a dependable or redundant powersupply. It's not the $7/month pricing that's making their sites unreliable, it's their own past decisions.

      If anything, shared hosting should be more reliable than a dedicated server. You're not fucking up things yourself as root. There'll be measures in place to prevent sites from using up all the bandwidth. Some one's keeping an eye out on the server 24h, or at least 38 pimply teenagers will complain about their forum being down the second anything happens to it..

      Let's put it this way; buying dedicated hosting at the likes of dreamhost won't help you the next time the power for their entire facility goes down. Or when the (single, non-redundant) connection to their secondary datacenter, which actually happens to host dedicated servers, goes down.

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    6. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by OverlordQ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      $7 a month *is* cheap. Come back after buying some real servers.

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    7. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Knara · · Score: 1

      Pretty much. It still boils down to "if you want your hosting company to be financially accountable for downtime, make them contractually responsible for uptime". Lots of hosting companies offer this for dedicated hosting services. None of them offer it for shared hosting (that I know of, at least). $200 for a year of hosting with the resources allotted by Dreamhost's basic-level shared-hosting plan is mega-cheap. Anyone who doesn't think so doesn't understand the logistics of being a major hosting provider (plus, apparently even dreamhost's much maligned shared hosting uptime is 97%+, and that's nothing to sneeze at given the scale of their customer base).

    8. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Knara · · Score: 1

      Ehhh, that should have been "less than $200 a year" but y'know, wasn't paying attention

    9. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Knara · · Score: 1

      Man, and now I need a beer...

    10. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Knara · · Score: 1

      FWIW, Dreamhost as a registrar also offers the WHOIS privacy bit. Not sure if/who they outsource their registration to (though I don't think they do).

    11. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by mcrbids · · Score: 1

      But face it, $7/month for hosting isn't cheap. I could run my puny little website off my home PC and ADSL line with no problem, so any money at all that's spent on hosting outside the door is spent there for a reason: economies of scale.

      $7/month is cheap, folks. Here's an explanation:

      I could run my puny little website off my home PC and ADSL line with no problem, so any money at all that's spent on hosting outside the door is spent there for a reason: economies of scale.

      Alrighty, then. Let's grind the numbers:

      1) $50/month DSL Connection, fixed-IP plan. (average price)
      2) $14/month computer cost. ($500 desktop computer, split over 3 years)
      3) $14.40/month power cost. (That's 100 watts, 24x7, $0.20/Kwh)
      4) $78.40 per month, not including DNS charges, admin overhead, repairs, etc.

      Isn't that 10x your $7/month fee? Doesn't that make it cheaper than hosting yourself?

      That $7 times thousands of customers should be able to buy some redundant power supplies, for example.
      Thousands of customers? That's pretty optimistic, isn't it? I'd guess probably more like 300-1,000 customers per server. A good quality whitebox server starts at around $3,500 and goes up very rapidly from there. Then there's bandwidth, sysadmin fees (A decent sysadmin should pull > $50,000/year) and it's easy to see how the numbers aren't as rosy as you'd think.

      It's not the $7/month pricing that's making their sites unreliable, it's their own past decisions.

      Spoken with authority! Perhaps you're a system administrator or something?

      If anything, shared hosting should be more reliable than a dedicated server. You're not fucking up things yourself as root. There'll be measures in place to prevent sites from using up all the bandwidth. Some one's keeping an eye out on the server 24h

      Even LOUSY shared hosting is going to be a damned site more reliable than your DSL line. But, it's not going to hold a candle to dedicated hardware running in a high-quality hosting farm. Get the right tool for the job.

      Let's put it this way; buying dedicated hosting at the likes of dreamhost won't help you the next time the power for their entire facility goes down. Or when the (single, non-redundant) connection to their secondary datacenter, which actually happens to host dedicated servers, goes down.

      So, that's where the GP comes in - ever heard of an SLA? Surely somebody as experienced (cough) as you would know what that is???

      $7 /month is damned cheap. And if your business is making money, you'd do well to spend a tad more than that, and get a decent hosting environment.

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    12. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $7 a month *is* cheap. Come back after buying some real servers.


      I host a website for $2 a month. 10 gig of space, 250 gig transfer, with a free Dedicated Ip Address. That is the definition of cheap. $7 is costly compared to that.
    13. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by ensignyu · · Score: 1

      But do you have PHP, MySQL, shell access, and more? Hosting static websites is trivial compared to having to manage a shared scripting environment and the considerably higher resource usage that goes along with it.

    14. Re:If My Experience is Any Indication.... by nacturation · · Score: 1

      But face it, $7/month for hosting isn't cheap. That's like the cost of a Happy Meal. How cheap *are* you anyways?
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  12. hot chicks by jcgf · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Am I the only one who doesn't think that the Godaddy girls aren't as hot as they are made out to be in the commercials? Particularly the one where she sinks the ship with the champagne bottle. I am so tired of that commercial that if I was looking for a domain I would (irrationally?) hold it against them.

    1. Re:hot chicks by EraserMouseMan · · Score: 1, Offtopic

      Personally, I'm a software developer running my own dev company. We've got servers and domains, etc. My friends think I'm somewhat of a brainiac type. But I'm really an average joe with many hands-on skills as well. I don't like being pigeonholed as just a nerd or a geek.

      When GoDaddy comercials air I make a special effort to rep my registrar. You've got to admit, there's something cool and masculine about a domain registrar run by a former Marine that uses sexy women to sell domains. It's not your average nerdy/dry/boring domain registrar. I've used GoDaddy for over 5 years now. I've had many various types of transactions with them and I can say that they have always met or exceeded my expectations.

    2. Re:hot chicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep, he's gay...

    3. Re:hot chicks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good lord, their "spokesmodels" are horrible, skanky-skanks that look like they fell off the back of a clapped-out Harley.

      Yes, GoDaddy's girls are ugly. Yes, their marketing is slightly sexist. No, it has nothing to do with the story - but I'm glad someone pointed it out.

    4. Re:hot chicks by UnknowingFool · · Score: 1

      Really, can you afford to be that picky? The last time I checked, mentioning that I posted on /. caused women to swoon. Of course I don't date women that aren't supermodel/rocket scientists. And I'll be moving out of my parent's basement as soon as I land one.

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  13. Re:And if you had your domain transferred to GoDad by Applekid · · Score: 1

    "I've used GoDaddy plenty of times in the past with no problems."

    Sounds like you've never been on the wrong side of a media conglomerate.

    Then again, neither have I, which would also explain why I've never had problems with GoDaddy either. That story referenced by GP certainly gives me pause, at least.

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  14. Out of the pan and into the Fire !! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



    Out of the pan and into the Fire !! GoDuddy is like your typical commie country: You can get it a lot easier than you can get out !!

    1. Re:Out of the pan and into the Fire !! by gnuman99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Er, no. It is easy to transfer. And also they don't deal with commie countries like Cuba. I'd say GoDaddy is more of a company that lapdances for the US foreign policy. (see GoDaddy terms of service)

      Aside: If GoDaddy.com wanted to help Cubans, they would want them to have as much access to the Internet as possible instead of filtering Cuban ips from resolving DNS for domains hosted at GoDaddy.

      Aside 2: And if Cuba is so bad that US has a trade embargo against it, why not have a similar one against China? Oh, wait, it's about the money stupid!

    2. Re:Out of the pan and into the Fire !! by gfilion · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Aside 2: And if Cuba is so bad that US has a trade embargo against it, why not have a similar one against China? Oh, wait, it's about the money stupid! Actually, the US has put an embargo against Cuba since Fido Castro threw the US business out of the country without compensation -- effectively stealing their properties. The whole story is more complex than that, you can read it on Wikipedia.
    3. Re:Out of the pan and into the Fire !! by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

      There are other countries that nationalized stuff. Whether you get paid 20% or 5% compensation on your investment or none doesn't matter that much. It matters more that businesses and the country in question lose in the long term. There are many examples of countries, socialist or otherwise that do this. For example,

          * Zimbabwe - when Mugabe essentially nationalized all the "white farmer's land" and gave it to the black peasants. Zimbabwe is not communist. The idea was nationalistic. Now Zimbabwe has the highest inflation in the world. People can't even afford food anymore. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_Zimbabwe

          * Colombia - Chavez nationalizing stuff. Bad. Little compensation. Inflation is up to 20% last time I checked.

          * Russia - Shell properties on the east cost of Russia (near Japan) got essentially nationalized for pennies on the dollar of the actual value of the properties. Russia has done this many times before. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yukos for example.

          * Bolivia with recent changes that are nationalizing oil and gas and possibly mining.

          * Many more....

      None of these countries are communist, yet, they are nationalizing and essentially stealing (or taking away what they rented?). Fidel (not Fido :) did the same thing except his error was to side with USSR and allow missiles to be put on the island. That is why the embargo is in place. For spite. Not for nationalizing anything. Otherwise we would definately see sanctions against Russia, or Colombia (US is being as much oil as before), or Zimbabwe. But no. Only Cuba.

      The official reason is now "terrorist support" or something retarded as such. It is just political.

      Anyway, going back to my original point about GoDaddy, GoDaddy cannot DO BUSINESS or PROFIT with Cuba. It doesn't mean it has to *censor* Internet from Cubans! Even if most Cubans don't have access to the Internet, I don't think that is the spirit of embargo (see Radio America for an example). And I don't think that is even what the intelligence agencies want that are still working on ways to get rid of Fidel.

  15. Hah! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "The long-suffering customers of RegisterFly should soon be able to manage their names again after ICANN arranged for the transfer of its 850,000 domains to GoDaddy.com."

    Hah! If they're suffering now, just wait until they try to manage their domains with Godaddy's software!

  16. Expired domains? by athloi · · Score: 1

    So... if your domain is held hostage by RegisterFly, and during the time when you cannot renew it, it expires, what happens? We all know how domain slammers will buy it up within 30.2 seconds of expiring and becoming available again, which means that a lot of ordinary folks are out of a domain name. Scary.

    1. Re:Expired domains? by mattboston · · Score: 1

      Correction, it's 3/10ths of a second. If you tried to buy a domain 30 seconds after it was deleted you'd be too late.

    2. Re:Expired domains? by Kalriath · · Score: 2, Informative

      Currently, all RegisterFly domains are (supposed to have been) placed into serverDeleteProhibited status, which means the Central Registry (Verisign) is not able to actually expire them... they remain perpetually locked until they are changed back to pendingRelease, clientTransferProhibited, or some other status. In other words, they can't expire until the mass transfer.

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    3. Re:Expired domains? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know of someone who's website is "down" because of this whole RegistryFly mess and their expired domain is listed as redemptionPeriod, even though it's been that way for longer than the time that should last (30 days?).

    4. Re:Expired domains? by Kalriath · · Score: 1

      Mmmm. I think the ones that went into Redemption before the issue were actually locked in Redemption, but I'm not too sure about that.

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  17. To all former RegisterFly customers... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

    My condolences for your troubles. I'd be annoyed if I had to use GoDaddy, too.

  18. "First they came for..." by Gogl · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not about whether you've personally had any problems. Frankly, it's a matter of principle, and since it only takes ten minutes of your time and less than $10 of your credit card to transfer, it's well worth it. Don't support companies that engage in these sorts of practices, because sooner or later your apathy will make you end up screwed.

    1. Re:"First they came for..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Know of any good registrars?

    2. Re:"First they came for..." by Gogl · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.zoneedit.com/

      I was using them for free DNS service anyway, and they recently added domain registration so I figured I'd switch to them.

    3. Re:"First they came for..." by Jimmy+King · · Score: 1

      http://www.register4less.com/ is pretty good, too. That is who I transferred all of my domains to a couple years ago. Nice clean interface, private registration included in the registration costs, and a monthly or weekly (I don't remember which) changing contact e-mail address which forwards to your real e-mail in case it gets harvested by spam bots.

    4. Re:"First they came for..." by jefe7777 · · Score: 1

      I agree, and I went ahead and transferred away my handful of domains from godaddy to enom. I'm sure enom has done bad things, but the point is to make godaddy aware that customers will take action ---I wrote them a nice email, pointing out many of the issues raised on nodaddy.com. Yea it's like spitting in the ocean, but one has to try. Perhaps someday we'll orchestrate a mass transfer day, where a whole bunch of us "reward" a chosen registar, while informing the others as to the reasons why.

      or not.

  19. Wanna give 'em a plug? by Kadin2048 · · Score: 2

    The hosting company I normally use is about $7 a month. I get a live English speaking CLUE-FUL human no matter what time I call tech support and I seldom have to call.

    You want to give them a shout-out? I'm always looking for recommendations for solid hosting providers. (I used to recommend FatCow, and they really are nice guys there, but you have to pay a year in advance to get their $8.25/mo rate.)

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    1. Re:Wanna give 'em a plug? by CaTfiSh · · Score: 1

      Contact Tina at Axishost. They've been running specials, 2 for 1 on prepayment for hosting. You'll find competent, knowledgeable people to deal with.

    2. Re:Wanna give 'em a plug? by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      Take a good long look at NearlyFreeSpeech.net
      They have been really good for me, and their prices can't be beat.

  20. Godaddy? by future+assassin · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    And I'm just in the process of moving all my domains as they expire out of GoDaddy to Stargate because of GoDaddy's insane no spam conditions. Fuck any company that declares itself the internet police and shuts of legitimate businesses and then takes their sweet ass time to reinstate the domain even though it was GoDaddy's fault.

    I'm not about to take that chance with my business or support any registrar that does this. Also seems Directi is heading GoDaddy's np spam way also.

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    1. Re:Godaddy? by future+assassin · · Score: 1

      Off topic? I guess you cant read my mind about a domain I have with Registerfly. Since I'm moving my other ones away from GD I sure as hell don't want it transfered over to GD.

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    2. Re:Godaddy? by Dave+Zan · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately you likely won't have a choice. You'll have to move them out as soon as Go Daddy notifies you when you'll be able to access them. Hopefully their arbitrary 60-day internal rule won't apply for these domain names. I'd imagine it'll take all 850K to make their message known.

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  21. Why all the hate? by dj245 · · Score: 1

    Theres a lot of hate for Godaddy. I thought I was the only one. Personally, Godaddy reminds me of Ronco, Vonage, or perhaps Lesko. Their marketing division is at least on par with those three.

    On an unrelated note, who wears a suit covered in question marks?

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    1. Re:Why all the hate? by theRiallatar · · Score: 1

      Man, that's an easy one. The Riddler.

    2. Re:Why all the hate? by Jimmy+King · · Score: 1

      Theres a lot of hate for Godaddy. I thought I was the only one. Personally, Godaddy reminds me of Ronco, Vonage, or perhaps Lesko. Their marketing division is at least on par with those three.

      I've moved all of my domains that were once registered with godaddy for exactly that reason.

      On an unrelated note, who wears a suit covered in question marks?

      The Riddler.

      No, I know who you're talking about, can't remember his name for the life of me, though.
    3. Re:Why all the hate? by Ykant · · Score: 1

      No, I know who you're talking about, can't remember his name for the life of me, though.
      Lesko.
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    4. Re:Why all the hate? by drinkypoo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Theres a lot of hate for Godaddy. I thought I was the only one. Personally, Godaddy reminds me of Ronco, Vonage, or perhaps Lesko. Their marketing division is at least on par with those three.

      GoDaddy is pure concentrated evil. They are known to park pages on domains whose names you've looked up. If the domain gets many hits, they keep it and you end up having to buy it at an increased rate. If it doesn't, it's later released back for sale.

      Never use GoDaddy for ANYTHING. They are malicious, evil, greedy fuckers.

      I currently use them as my registrar, but will be moving when I get around to moving my website from its current hosting (not godaddy.)

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    5. Re:Why all the hate? by Jimmy+King · · Score: 1

      D'oh, he was mentioned right in the post I replied to. Stupid me.

    6. Re:Why all the hate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >On an unrelated note, who wears a suit covered in question marks?

      Nik Kershaw.

  22. Hey! by raehl · · Score: 0, Redundant

    How did you find out the combination to my luggage?

  23. Re:And if you had your domain transferred to GoDad by Vellmont · · Score: 3, Insightful


    Imagine the sheer number of domains they have registered, if only a few get shut down here and there it's probably a negligible percentage.

    Why are you so sure the problems are negligible? The story is quite revealing that GoDaddy has little to no respect for its customers when they take down an entire domain with almost non-existent effort to contact the owner (one attempt, then take down the site seconds later). Then they make it extremely difficult to get in contact with anyone to fix the situation.

    To me that kind of behavior is extremely revealing. Personally I'd bet that this kind of treatment from GoDaddy is a lot more common than you'd think, and it just never gets reported until a higher profile site gets taken down.

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  24. Is this good? by jshriverWVU · · Score: 1
    Perhaps better than no access but I wonder what kind of agreement they had to sign. A friend of mine had a GoDaddy site, and when he wanted to move it to his own server, domain name and all, GoDaddy more or less refused to let him. After a couple months battling, he had to threaten a lawsuit for them to release his domain name.

    Since then and all the drama I had to see him go through it left a bad taste in my mouth for the company.

  25. Re:And if you had your domain transferred to GoDad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wow, Great idea. Post myspace user info on a Microsoft forum.

  26. Progress, sort of by Animats · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What this is really about was finding some registrar willing to take on the customer support load of cleaning up the mess. ICANN doesn't have a call center.

    There are some interesting implications to this deal. For one thing, domain owners whose domains are now administered by GoDaddy have no contractual obligations to GoDaddy. So they should be able to transfer those domains anywhere, immediately.

    Meanwhile, RegisterFly still hasn't complied with the court order issued Friday to put a notice on their web site within 48 hours that they are no longer a domain egistrar. They're even still taking registrations. I just tried their domain registration page, and it works at least up to the "checkout" point. So RegisterFly is probably in contempt of court.

    1. Re:Progress, sort of by Derek+Pomery · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, they did put a notice on their site, just not exactly in a prominent place.
      https://registerfly.com/help/

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    2. Re:Progress, sort of by dkf · · Score: 1

      There are some interesting implications to this deal. For one thing, domain owners whose domains are now administered by GoDaddy have no contractual obligations to GoDaddy. So they should be able to transfer those domains anywhere, immediately.
      Hmm, that really depends on the nature of their original contract with RegisterFly. From what I remember of contract law, it will be the terms of that contract that GoDaddy will have to enforce, at least initially. Of course, the big bonus to the domain owners is that they can now act themselves to clean up the parts of the mess that still affect them, and GoDaddy will probably manage to retain a fair proportion of the accounts (so boosting their business).

      On the other hand, IANAL and this area of contract law (what happens when a part of a business is transferred to another) is one of the more complicated ones. It quite possibly varies between jurisdictions too.
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    3. Re:Progress, sort of by Animats · · Score: 1

      Contract transfer is complex. In general, you can sell an asset, like a loan due you, but not an obligation, like a loan you owe. There's something called a "bulk transfer of a business" in the US, where one business takes over another, both assets and liabilities. But that's not what happened here. GoDaddy didn't acquire RegisterFly, nor are they taking on RegisterFly's liabilities (like the class action suit).

      The point here is that domain owners who find themselves with GoDaddy as a registrar probably aren't bound by GoDaddy's terms, which include "You agree that You will not transfer any domain name registered through Go Daddy to another domain name registrar during the first sixty (60) days from its initial registration date", unless and until they actually buy something from GoDaddy.

      But GoDaddy is a reasonable business, and a BBBonline member, so this probably won't be a problem most of the time. Trouble will probably be related to domains where RegisterFly screwed up the domain ownership info so badly that it's hard to demonstrate ownership.

      Although it's a paid service, there's a useful tool in that situation. DomainTools has their own copy of the WHOIS database, including the history of changes, and you can buy access to that.

    4. Re:Progress, sort of by Dave+Zan · · Score: 1

      For one thing, domain owners whose domains are now administered by GoDaddy have no contractual obligations to GoDaddy.
      Go Daddy will likely require the user to click the box beside "I have read the registration agreement and agree to its terms" before being able to log inside your domain name account with them. I'm sure getting a lawyer involved will not change that either.
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  27. Treat domain like an asset by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just hold 5 domains and all are renewed till 2012. If your domain name is important please register for 5-10 years. I recommend http://moniker.com/ for all your domains need. Bit expensive as compare to Go dadday. We have over 200+ corporate domains with them.

    As far as business hosting colo your BSD/Linux box or rent a box from good a company like softlayer, theplanet, savvis, rackspace etc.

  28. Re:And if you had your domain transferred to GoDad by kalirion · · Score: 1

    I've supported the U.S. Government plenty of times in the past with no problems. Imagine the sheer number of people they have in their files, if only a few get tortured here and there it's probably a negligible percentage. I'm sure similar situations have happened with other countries' governments too.

  29. Recommendations for Canadians by paudle · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hi,

    I know this is slightly off topic but I am looking for a place to get hosting and a domain name from. I am in Canada and would like to be paying a Canadian place.

    I am just looking for a simple service that has:
    *Email(2 or so addresses are all that is required)
    *Sufficient space to store photos
    *A domain address (.com or .ca preferred)

    I have looked and found:
    http://hostpapa.ca/index.shtml
    http://www.webserve.ca/webhosting/starterwebhostin g/unixwebhosting/
    Does any one have any experiences good or bad with the hosting services?

    Thanks

    1. Re:Recommendations for Canadians by FenderGeek · · Score: 1

      Don't know about hosting, but Register4Less is a Canadian registrar that I've used. If you're a fan of the User Friendly comic, then going to http://uf.r4l.com/ will get them a little referral kickback to keep up and running.

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    2. Re:Recommendations for Canadians by Knara · · Score: 1

      Call me jaded, but I don't think UF has any problem paying their hosting bills.

  30. You think that is bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    RegisterFly is the worst! In our system they have 5 positive reviews and 110 Negative reviews!! That is the worst reputation out of any company in our web hosting review database. http://www.webhostingunleashed.com/registerfly

    1. Re:You think that is bad? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Terrible spam 'attempt'.

  31. Godaddy is not famous for customer satisfaction by unity100 · · Score: 1

    I can testify as a user of godaddy. This is not a happy ending.

  32. Registerfly is still taking orders! by prat393 · · Score: 1

    The Registerfly frontpage makes no mention of any ICANN-enforced doom, and indeed, their order system still lets you register new domain names. I wasn't willing to shell out the $10 to test if it would actually complete the order, but I have a feeling it would. Which would make them a scammer site. I wonder if we could get Google/Firefox to add them to their warn-on-view lists.

    1. Re:Registerfly is still taking orders! by Animats · · Score: 1

      Unclear what they're doing with new orders. Reselling eNom, maybe?

  33. A Court Order? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    ICANN sucks because it likes to treat itself as a powerless victim. If they showed some real leadership they might get some respect.

    How about, "All domain names are the property of their respective owners, and upon disreditation of a registrar ICANN will immediately move affected domains to an accredited registrar, from which the domain owner can further transfer their domains, if desired."

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    1. Re:A Court Order? by Dave+Zan · · Score: 1

      How about, "All domain names are the property of their respective owners, and upon disreditation of a registrar ICANN will immediately move affected domains to an accredited registrar, from which the domain owner can further transfer their domains, if desired."
      Not going to happen, especially when your registrar's contract defines your legal relationship to begin with. I realize people expect a lot from ICANN. But perhaps they ought to understand first what exactly they can and can't do, and why. Or do people generally not care except getting results?
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    2. Re:A Court Order? by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Not going to happen, especially when your registrar's contract

      Right, I'm suggesting ICANN require a specific acknowledgment of ownership of domains, and procedures for dealing with discreditation, as a condition of accreditation, both initially for new registrars and upon renewal for existing ones.

      Yes, it will make some registrars unhappy. I feel as bad for those kinds of registrars as I do for RegisterFly.

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  34. Dedicated Server == 1 Customer by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Dedicated hosting or colocation, people. Pay for an SLA!

    I used to think that until my dedicated server (at 1&1) needed a hard power reset (buggy server didn't always reboot) and it took them over four days to get around to pushing the button for me. Because it was rented, not colo'ed I couldn't even drive to NYC and press the reset button myself.

    After all, I was only one customer - if I was on a shared host they'd have dozens to hundreds of unhappy customers if the machine was down.

    I've gone to colo since then.

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    1. Re:Dedicated Server == 1 Customer by Knara · · Score: 1

      How was your SLA on that? I'm serious. Thing is, yeah, if the company actually wants to service their customers, shared hosting (one would think), could result in a hundred people telling them something is broken instead of just one. *But* that assumes that the shared hosting is a major revenue stream, which sometimes is the case, and sometimes not. Varies from hoster to hoster. However, my point is that if you're managed hosting/colo and there's SLA's associated with that service you're paying for, you have recourse if they fuck up. With shared hosting there's not much in the way of SLA contractual agreements, so you'd better hope the hosting company is competent enough to fix things.

    2. Re:Dedicated Server == 1 Customer by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      How was your SLA on that? I'm serious.

      It was the [seemingly] typical, 99.999% uptime guarantee, fully disclaimed by the terms of service.

      I'm much happier now where I can replace the hardware as I see fit and go touch the box if needed. So far my old clunker Penguin Computing box is lightyears ahead of the "real colo" box I had before. Unless you bump it, of course, then the SCSI card comes unseated. ;)

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  35. Netcraft Apache stats by mab · · Score: 0, Redundant

    I wonder if this will hit the Apache usage stats at netcraft next month, or does RegisterFly use IIS for parked domains as well?

  36. Re:And if you had your domain transferred to GoDad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problems are not negligible.

    One of our clients had a reseller account with us and a dedicated server with GoDaddy. One of his clients put up a php form-to-email program which got hacked. both servers were sending out spam. We found the problem, turned off the script and notified the client to replace it.

    GoDaddy turned off the entire dedicated server and offered to turn back on shell access only if the client paid them hundreds of dollars, so they could remove their data from the machine.

    Note I'm a regular poster here; I'm posting anonymously because I don't want to be accused of advertising.

  37. GoDaddy... by x78 · · Score: 1

    eww godaddy, thats not the company that ruin your domains if you post more than a pixel of person-flesh is it? I would rather my domain stopped working...

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  38. Venezuela not Colambia by gnuman99 · · Score: 1

    Well, at least close :)