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Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold

Vicissidude writes with a link to a story on the Nature website, discussing the discovery of a protein that may enable us to sense cold temperatures. It's been pinned down in mice, and the same protein may perform a similar function in humans. Mice rely on a single protein, called TRPM8, to sense both cold temperatures and menthol, the compound that gives mints their cool sensation. The sensor also controls the pain-relieving effect of cool temperatures, but does not seem to play an important role in the response to painfully cold temperatures below 10 C. TRPM8 is in the same family as the protein that detects heat and capsaicin, the compound that makes peppers hot. These proteins lie in the cell membranes of select neurons, and form channels that open and close in response to external signals."

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  1. That's so COOL! by Tatisimo · · Score: 4, Funny

    Literally cool, that is!

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  2. Fascinating by bheer · · Score: 2, Funny

    The ability of simple chemicals to bond and form progressively more complex sensors and computation units shows just how primitive our top-down-engineered silicon computers are. Makes you wonder what our computers and I/O devices will be like when we get to the point where we really grok biochemistry.

    1. Re:Fascinating by tknd · · Score: 5, Funny

      Makes you wonder what our computers and I/O devices will be like when we get to the point where we really grok biochemistry.

      Yeah, just imagine sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!

    2. Re:Fascinating by Drooling+Iguana · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Of course, our top-down-generated silicon computers only took a few decades to develop, while it took millions of years for evolution to produce the intricate mechanisms that make up modern life. We're not really doing too bad, considering.

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    3. Re:Fascinating by camperdave · · Score: 3, Funny

      Haven't you heard? Humans were intelligently designed in a single day!

      Um... I think you mean manufactured in a single day. Who knows how many coffee breaks and napkin doodles the design process actually took?

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    4. Re:Fascinating by poopdeville · · Score: 5, Funny

      It's a long story. Back in 1996, in the early days of Slashdot, people wore onions on their belt, as was the style at the time. In any event, it was at the start of Clinton's second term in office. Things were looking up. It was still a pre-9/11 world, and things were different then, as was the style at the time. Google had only recently started buying up San Francisco real estate. Michael Jordan stopped playing baseball. IBM stock was up. CowboyNeal posted a story about sharks, as was the style at the time. CmdrTaco did not approve and said so in a comment, saying he didn't know what Cowboy Neal thinking. Paraphrasing, he said: "Unless these sharks have lasers attached to their heads, this story doesn't belong here."

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    5. Re:Fascinating by tsa · · Score: 2, Funny

      And the topic gives us a nice insight in the mind of our [insert appropriate overlord here]. (S)He/it must have thought: "What do I hate? I know: cold! I shiver even thinking of it. And menthol! Yuch, that must be the foulest substance on the planet. Let's give the sentient being in development a sensor that can detect both cold and menthol then!"

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    6. Re:Fascinating by Walt+Dismal · · Score: 4, Funny

      Few people know that before Dr Evil developed sharks with frikking laser beams, he engineered a cost-effective prototype using gerbils. However, this had two flaws. First, people collapsed laughing on the floor. Second, the ASPCA and Greenpeace organized a protest around his island. The blockade raised the cost of gerbils to an astronomical One Million Dollars per rodent, so the pragmatic doctor searched for an eco-friendly and less-expensive substitute. One day it came to him as he was feeding enemy agents into the sea: fish, and duct tape. One roll of tape later, he had his solution, and the world was changed forever.

  3. No problem with sensing cold by flyingfsck · · Score: 3, Funny

    I don't have any problem sensing cold temperatures. When your eyelashes and nostrils freeze shut when you blink or breathe, it is fairly obvious...

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    1. Re:No problem with sensing cold by idesofmarch · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I realize you are joking, but from a survival perspective, it is very useful to be able to detect gradual changes in temperature, so you are not surprised when you freeze to death.

    2. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Kyojin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But then again, who's surprised at anything when they're dead?

    3. Re:No problem with sensing cold by rapidweather · · Score: 4, Interesting
      When you get older, there is a "fat" layer under your skin that, for the most part, disappears.
      That's why old ladies, and men, show the "veins" through the skin, and "look ugly", more or less.
      That "fat" layer is what insulates younger people from the cold, and enables them to swim in cold water, for instance. Older people can no longer do that, without the cold hurting quite a bit.
      So, older people really like those sweaters, etc. that you send them for Christmas. It's one of the joys of old age to dress warmly in cold weather, with wool socks, hats, and so forth.
      I heard that the elderly population in Alaska is very small, those who can afford it have moved to Florida.

      Adding my two cents worth, as you can tell, I did not RTFA.

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    4. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Obviously not zombies. But every vampire that I've staked through the heart had a surprised look on his or her face. And yes, I'm sure they were vampires. Who else would wear a cape in the summer?

    5. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Nosferatu+Alucard · · Score: 3, Funny

      So you're that bastard who shanked me in July... That crap hurts, even for a vampire. Can I at least get an apology?

    6. Re:No problem with sensing cold by Thrip · · Score: 4, Funny

      Who else would wear a cape in the summer? Someone deficient in TRPM8, apparently.

      errr ... was that too close to on-topic?
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    7. Re:No problem with sensing cold by pipingguy · · Score: 2, Funny

      We find your thoughts interesting and we'd like to subscribe to your newsletter.

      Regards,

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      PS We do NOT taste like chicken.

    8. Re:No problem with sensing cold by houghi · · Score: 2, Insightful

      This is good news for me and many people here. As long as I am fat, I am not old.

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  4. Just a rough guess ... by Rudisaurus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold
    By shivering?
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  5. Dating service by ushering05401 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Apparently this protein enables the body's reactions to cold including motivating feelings of numbness/pain in response to cold temps.

    This must not be a one-size-fits-all type thing. I spent my first four Winters in VT wearing only light jackets even in the middle of winter.

    Some research would be nice to discover if you can test for sensitivity levels. If so, it would also be nice to have someone incorporate that testing into a dating service. My (beloved) lady cranks the heaters all but about three months out of the year and it just might be the end of me.

    I now have to wear heavy jackets throughout the winter to keep myself from going into shock over the temp differentials.

    I guess you could incorporate this ability into research into Seasonal Affectation Disorder as well. I hear that motivates a good number of suicides every year, and treatment would inprove if you could show a quantifiable correlation between sensitivity to temperature and seasonal depression.

    Regards.

    1. Re:Dating service by lawpoop · · Score: 3, Interesting

      In an anthropology class, we learned that people with European backgrounds have an adaptation to the cold that those of African descent do not.

      When 'white' people get cold, the circulatory system goes through cycles of vasodilation that temporarily increase bloodflow to the skin, warming your body and face. IIRC, they happen about every 40 minutes to an hour.

      Blacks also radiate more heat through the skin and respiratory system, which means they also get colder more quickly. A long nose with small nostrils warms the air better when it enters the nose, and also prevents heat loss as the air leaves the nose.

      This was discovered when the US army was doing cold training exercises in the 50s, I think in Alaska. This was in preparation with war with Russia. The white soldiers lasted longer in the cold than did black soldiers on the whole. Of course, there was a lot of mixing of different genomes -- a lot of blacks in the US has some European ancestry -- so it's not like it's 'black and white' so to speak. I'm not aware of any testing on other racial groups.

      I've never been able to confirm this story on the internet, so new research may have disproved it ;)

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  6. Of shivering, brains, body, and substances by G4from128k · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Not to detract from the joke, but this isn't true on two levels. First, shivering is the response to a low core body temperature, not the "sensing" of it. Something else in the body is senses the drop in body temperature and triggers the shivering. It may be the way that the conscious brain "senses cold" but its not the way that the body does it. Second, this protein is not for detecting low body temperatures, it is for detecting "cold" surfaces and substances. TFA says this protein triggers at 27 C which is far too cold for use in the shivering mechanism (which triggers at about 35 C).

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  7. Re:Painfully cold? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Strangely, those temperatures you mention are both below 10 C...

  8. Re:Use of this research by Threni · · Score: 2, Funny

    > I'm trying to find a possible practical use of this research but can't think of any. Maybe in finding the vaccine for common cold?

    Torture...uh, I mean the War On Terror(TM).

  9. Re:Use of this research by Original+Replica · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Pain relief, then, perhaps

    I wonder if it reduces swelling by tricking the body into restricting the blood flow to the "cold" area.

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  10. Painfully Cold? by Slashdot+Parent · · Score: 5, Funny

    painfully cold temperatures below 10 C.
    As someone who went to school in Wisconsin, please allow me to provide you with some free education.

    50 F is not "painfully cold". In fact, I'm not sure I would describe 50 degrees as cold at all. Hell, 50 degrees won't even make me start to consider putting my shirt back on at Badger games.

    The coldest temperature that I've ever been outside in is -60 F. That is air temperature. Who cares about the wind chill at that temp? At that temp, you leave your car running in the parking lot while you're shopping, you don't have a square inch of your skin covered by fewer than 3 layers, and you sure as shit better put your shirt back on while cheering on your Wisconsin Badgers.
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  11. Re:Painfully Cold? by evanbd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I imagine that's skin / nerve temperature, not air temp. At 50F air temp, your skin is a lot warmer than that.

  12. I misread this as "How the body senses Gold" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I and my World of Warcraft character got very excited.

  13. Re:Painfully Cold? by Bender0x7D1 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I'm not sure if skin/nerve temperature is the answer either.

    Frostbite, or even actual freezing of the extremities, can occur with only a "pins and needles" feeling beforehand, although in some cases there is throbbing and aching. (link)

    Since the skin and nerves would have to drop through the 10C (50 f) temperature range before freezing, I don't really see what they are basing their "painful" temperature on. I would guess it is a sustained temperature in that range, but the article doesn't give enough information to really tell.

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  14. Re:Use of this research by Mspangler · · Score: 4, Interesting

    "I'm trying to find a possible practical use of this research but can't think of any."

    you can turn off the cold sensitivity in my teeth any time.

    And yes, I'll pay for the privilege.

    Nerves in teeth other than pressure sensors. Dumbest idea ever.

  15. Re:Use of this research by johnny+cashed · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nerves in teeth other than pressure sensors. Dumbest idea ever.

    Best argument I've heard today against intelligent design.

  16. Re:Use of this research by dbcad7 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Although the body fat content probably is a factor, I think this is more interesting in respect to researching pain management in general. Some people (regardless of fat) can not handle pain very well at all. Others can live with a great deal of pain with no medication.. For instance, many years ago I had a motorcycle accident which destroyed my knee, and had to have surgery to rebuild it.. I have been in pain ever since, but I have learned to ignore it, and don't think about it.., it is just the way it is.., and I don't take any medication for it.. I have met other people who stub a toe, and run to the emergency room for vicodin... Perhaps these proteins work harder in some people than others.. The people like this who can't handle the most minor of pains, end up as pill junkies if they are not careful. If it is possible that these people could be relieved,or at least be made to better tolerate pain without narcotics they would be a whole lot better off.

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  17. Scientists Identify How the Body Senses Cold by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    ....Nipples?

    They're like pop-up thermometers in reverse. Very handy.

  18. Shivers? by Scorchmon · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I hope with this discovery we can finally start to close in on the actual source behind those confounding piss shivers.

  19. Re:So then by dwarfsoft · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd be sweltering if it was above 40, and Cold if it were below 15... Freezing if it were below 0. I guess numbers don't really mean anything until we include the units.

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  20. mouse revenge by bl8n8r · · Score: 4, Funny

    "injected their mice with a painful compound, put them on a cold plate and measured the amount of time the mice spent flinching their hind legs in response to the pain. "

    You know, if mice ever undergo a genetic mutation causing them to become a dominant species over us, we are sooooooooo fucked.

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    1. Re:mouse revenge by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Funny

      I think we made up for it by sticking an electrode in a rat's pleasure center and giving him control over the button.

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  21. Re:Painfully Cold? by slew · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Perhaps this article can shed some more light on this subject (for anyone interested)...

    This cold and menthol receptor, termed CMR1 or TRPM8, was activated at a temperature threshold of ~28C, with currents increasing in magnitude down to 8C

    For what it's worth, many folks are bragging that they think you can spend some time at 8C (~45F) in the air, but if you were "bathed" in that temperature (e.g., tossed into cold water at that temperature), the expected survival time would only be a couple of hours or less.

  22. It's not new either! by Cougem · · Score: 2, Informative

    Last year on my second year medical course I wrote about TRPM8 being the cold receptor. It's on my course again this year as well on TRP channels in vertebrates AND mentioned in my course on nociception.

    Not only is it not new, but it's not desperately interesting. Other receptors like TRPA1 are involved in properly cold sensation, it's thought, TRPV1 in moderate-warm sensations (thats what capsaicin stimulates to make food hot) and TRPV2 is thought to be for properly hot.

    Any proper neuroscientist has known about TRPM8 for literally years, this changes very little!