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MacBook Pro Gets Santa Rosa Chipset, LED Screen

Posted by CmdrTaco on from the well-isn't-that-special dept.

frdmfghtr writes "TechNewsWorld is reporting that Apple has updated the MacBook Pro line with the Santa Rosa chipset from Intel. In addition, Apple is also introducing mercury-free displays with some models. 'When Apple presented new editions of its MacBook line last month, the company excluded the latest Intel Centrino chips, dubbed "Santa Rosa," which had been released just days prior. The chips have found their way into Apple's new high-end MacBook Pro notebooks, which the company revealed Tuesday. Certain models use mercury-free displays, falling in line with the company's recent ecological promises.'"

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  1. How about... by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...a link to the actual MacBook Pro web page and specifications, since that's what people here probably care about, as opposed to a "TechNewsWorld" article being the only thing linked in the summary?

    Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that? For many people even considering buying a Mac, the fact that a laptop like this can easily run Windows natively or seamlessly alongside Mac OS X with packages like Parallels Desktop at least bears repeating.

    1. Re:How about... by alxbtk · · Score: 5, Informative

      Yeah it can run windows, and it's also the first Mac to get a DirectX10 compatible GPU (Nvida 8600 here) which could be a good thing for gamers.

    2. Re:How about... by freedumb2000 · · Score: 5, Informative

      Serioulsy, does anyone even really miss it these day? Tapping on the touchpad with two fingers for a right-click really does not make me miss a second button.

    3. Re:How about... by hcdejong · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Also, while Apple folks and other tech-savvy folks may know the Intel-based Macs run Windows, why does the news article not even mention that? ...bears repeating.

      Oh, come on. Anyone even remotely considering buying a Mac can read all about its ability to run Windows programs on Apple's website. Given the fact that all new Macs have been able to do this for a year and a half now, it's not exactly news anymore. And it's not as if there has been a shortage of coverage of this ability, either. There's a difference between "bears repeating" and "repeating ad nauseam".

    4. Re:How about... by daveschroeder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      But saying that the laptop comes with Mac OS X, Safari, and iLife is important?

      This is the single biggest factor in new Mac purchases at my institution, and many other settings.

      Whether it comes with iDVD and GarageBand and iCal is not in the least.

      And many, many people still don't fully understand that, yes, it really, really can run Windows. And yes, your Windows app will really, really work. Yes, even that one. Yes, really.

      Wouldn't you agree that warrants at least a sentence alongside all the other drivel in the article?

    5. Re:How about... by Niten · · Score: 3, Funny

      Because the amount of people that use Windows pales in comparison with the amount of people who use Linux and OpenBSD

      For a moment, you made me think I was having a really good dream...

    6. Re:How about... by jellomizer · · Score: 4, Informative

      And many, many people still don't fully understand that, yes, it really, really can run Windows. And yes, your Windows app will really, really work. Yes, even that one. Yes, really.

      That is very true. People don't understand Virtualization and Confuse it with Emulation. Emulators tend to have a lot of problems with compatibiliy because anything that the programmer didn't think of will not work. Virtualization is having the program run nativly and only emulating a few Low Level calls (Memory Containment, Video, Hardware). So if it request some strange opt-code from the processor the processor will nativly handle it, as well the other OS is running so unlike Wine which translate system calls to the host OS. Virtualization handles the OS's System Calls. But historically before Mac Going Intel Everything needed to be Emulated so some stuff didn't work or work well.

      As for boot camp people don't understand where the Hardware code stops and the OS begins. Some people think boot camp is Windows Running on Top of OS X (Like a single user virutalization) Leaving resources reserved for OS X to keep it alive. All boot camp does is work as a boot loader for Windows and once windows is loaded Windows has full control of your system.

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    7. Re:How about... by Paradox · · Score: 5, Funny

      But if you're running games, why are you using a laptop.

      I can't speak for you or the grandparent post's author, but I like to leave the house occasionally. A laptop is a good decision for people who occasionally stand, walk, or otherwise engage in self-locomotion.

      I can understand using a laptop for a couple simple games,

      I try to stick to the simple things, like World of Warcraft, Guild Wars, Quake 4, etc.

      but if you're really hardcore into games, then why wouldn't you get a full sized computer.

      All that snarkiness aside, I am really into games, so I did exactly what you said. Powerful system, peripherals, and huge monitor. It's called my Wii, PS3, and my HD television. :)
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    8. Re:How about... by paanta · · Score: 5, Insightful

      For a lot of reasons, some of us like to have just one computer that can be used for everything. I'd rather have a macbook pro that can play games/do 3d work AND be useful as a mobile computer, than have a macbook that I have to sync up with a gaming PC at home and a desktop at work. To me, the bet thing about laptop is how much it simplifies things to have all my crap in one place. I'm willing to sacrifice a few frames per second for that.

    9. Re:How about... by daveschroeder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that a Mac comes with everything you need to edit movies and photos and turn the result into DVDs distinguishes it from every other computer, and hence is noteworthy.

      Yes. And that's fine.

      The fact that it can run Windows does not.

      The fact that a *Mac* easily/natively/seamlessly runs Windows doesn't "distinguish" it from other computers, and that's exactly the point. And it does distinguish it from every other Mac for the over-two-decades before Intel-based Macs started shipping (horridly slow emulation aside, no matter how well it was done).

      And as I said elsewhere, the fact that Macs can now run Windows is the single biggest reason people are buying Macs in many markets, especially education, research, and government, and there are still many people who don't understand that, Yes, Macs Really Can Run Windows.

      It was at least worth a passing sentence in the article.

    10. Re:How about... by Dolly_Llama · · Score: 5, Funny

      and once windows is loaded Windows has full control of your system.

      you forgot to add "...muhuhuhahahaha"

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    11. Re:How about... by Lars+T. · · Score: 5, Funny

      Two words: Right button. It has the right button - what is missing is the wrong button.
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    12. Re:How about... by Crizp · · Score: 3, Funny

      With the userid, I guess he's one of us older members that have grown to actually have a life and stuff outside of computers... ...

      *cry*

    13. Re:How about... by Roadmaster · · Score: 4, Funny

      I can't speak for you or the grandparent post's author, but I like to leave the house occasionally. A laptop is a good decision for people who occasionally stand, walk, or otherwise engage in self-locomotion.


      So, if you like to leave the house and be outdoors, WHY ON EARTH ARE YOU TAKING YOUR GAMING LAPTOP WITH YOU? For god's sake man, unglue yourself from the machine!
    14. Re:How about... by martinX · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well if you want to see what the weather's like, I find windows to be pretty good.

      Geddit! Windows. Looking out windows. Using windows. In a MacbookPro discussion. Funny!

      OK, I'm leaving now.

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  2. updated features by swissfondue · · Score: 3, Informative

    30-40 minutes estimated additional real battery life for the 15". Although apple isn't saying if most of the additional power saving is coming from the LED-backlit screen.

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    1. Re:updated features by RMH101 · · Score: 4, Informative

      it's not just from the screen. santa rosa can slow down the whole bus, not just the CPU, making more power saving.

    2. Re:updated features by dave420 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Not to mention its new wireless adaptor and the ability to turn off the second core if needed... and the PCIE, the graphics adaptor, etc. Intel made power savings across the board - Apple don't state where the power savings come from, because Apple doesn't know.

  3. How about color quality? by J.+T.+MacLeod · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm incredibly excited at the prospect of an LED display. Not only would the lighting be easier on the eyes, but lower-power and safer.

    As some one who's concerned with color correction, though, I wonder how accurate and vivid are the colors on these new screens. I'm not ordering one to find out.

    1. Re:How about color quality? by TheBig1 · · Score: 4, Informative

      I am very interested in this as well, and have been looking around various photo forums for the past few weeks (in expectation of this announcement). The general consensus seems to be that the color gamut is superior on LED displays than traditional ones; whether this first generation one will work this way we'll have to wait and see...

      However, from what I understand, the iPod screens have been LED based for some time; while I don't have one myself, from what I've seen the colors are very nice on them.

      Take that as you will 8-)

      Cheers

    2. Re:How about color quality? by jddj · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Color Guru Andrew Rodney has said in several online fora that the wider gamut of LED-illuminated monitors is not necessarily a good thing. A wider gamut does not necesarily mean a larger gamut.

      If that doesn't make intuitive sense to you, think about this example: You place 5 stones in a straight line on the ground at 1-foot intervals. Now pick them up and place the same 5 stones at 2-foot intervals. You've created a wider figure, but have not increased the number of stones - the figure still has the same number of intervals.

      If each of the stones in the above example represents a shade of color, then simply widening the gamut without providing additional color resolution - more than eight bits per color channel, for example - will not display additional color information, and in fact will worsen the display's performance at reproducing the smaller gamut of the sRGB colorspace (the assumed colorspace for Windows machines and most digital cameras).

      If this is yet-another 6-bit display, this situation will be even worse

      I'm definitely the target buyer for this machine, but am cautiously sitting on my hands, awaiting word from the color-management community on how it fares, and to see if Apple has finally fixed the battery and other problems that have dogged the MacBook Pro line.

    3. Re:How about color quality? by Lumpy · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not an LED display but an LED backlight.

      Which honestly is far better than the Cold Cathode tube in there that fails, yellows with age fairly quickly, and causes heartaches the world over.

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    4. Re:How about color quality? by jddj · · Score: 5, Informative

      The LEDs do just provide the backlight.

      The color spectrum that a given LED provides will necessarily be different than the spectrum that CCF backlights generate, and different from the spectra that the various CRT monitor phosphors generate.

      If a given portion of the spectrum is not present in the "white light" (using that term very loosely here) backlight, no amount of filtering by the LCD screen overlay can put it back. If this is not intuitive, imagine trying to create blue using only a pure-red LED backlight. (You can't do it - the backlight must have at least some blue).

      So if, for example, the LED backlight has more green and red light available in its "white light" spectrum than a CCF backlight has, the LCD overlay so-illuminated can produce yellow tones (since red and green are the constituent primaries that make yellow) that a LCD illuminated with a CCF cannot. That gives the LED-illuminated LCD a wider gamut.

      However, if both the LED-illuminated and the CCF-illuminated LCD overlays only filter light at a resolution of 8 bits per channel, they will both be able to display the same amount of information about color, but because the gamut of one is different from the gamut of the other, in many cases they will not be able to display the same colors.

      The "6-bit" comment in my earlier post refers to the fact that Apple has been shipping 6-bit displays on its Powerbooks and MacBook pros for a while. I believe there has been a /. post on this situation.

      If a manufacturer provides more bit depth (more than 8 bits per channel, f.e.) the LCD overlay will be able to filter the available light more finely than 8- or 6-bit displays can do. In general, an 8-bit display should in fact have a larger (but not necessarily wider) gamut than a 6-bit. A 10-, 12-, or (allow me to dream here) 16-bit-per-channel display would have still larger (but again, not necessarily wider).

      In an LCD display the spectrum of the backlight will determine how wide the gamut can be at its absolute maximum - if a color is not present in that spectrum, it cannot be filtered into existance by the LCD overlay. By the same token, the bit-depth-per-channel of the LCD overlay will determine how many individual color tones are in that gamut.

      In reality, it's a lot more complicated than this, but this is the gist of it.

    5. Re:How about color quality? by dfghjk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      "The color spectrum that a given LED provides will necessarily be different than the spectrum that CCF backlights generate, and different from the spectra that the various CRT monitor phosphors generate."

      They will likely be, but not "necessarily" be. There's no requirement that makes it "necessary". CRTs work much different and shouldn't be included in the discussion.

      "If a given portion of the spectrum is not present in the "white light" (using that term very loosely here) backlight, no amount of filtering by the LCD screen overlay can put it back. If this is not intuitive, imagine trying to create blue using only a pure-red LED backlight. (You can't do it - the backlight must have at least some blue)."

      Yes, but LCD displays work using color filters and the "white light" does not need to have a particularly full spectrum. It only needs to offer what the filters wish to pass.

      "So if, for example, the LED backlight has more green and red light available in its "white light" spectrum than a CCF backlight has, the LCD overlay so-illuminated can produce yellow tones (since red and green are the constituent primaries that make yellow) that a LCD illuminated with a CCF cannot. That gives the LED-illuminated LCD a wider gamut."

      What do you mean by "more green and red"? If it has simply "more" then you are wrong. The gamut will be the same but the brightness will be different. In order for there to be differences in possible yellow tones there needs to be qualitative differences in the green and red itself.

      "However, if both the LED-illuminated and the CCF-illuminated LCD overlays only filter light at a resolution of 8 bits per channel, they will both be able to display the same amount of information about color, but because the gamut of one is different from the gamut of the other, in many cases they will not be able to display the same colors."

      Who says the gamut of one is different from the other? The LCD panels may be the same thus required spectra the same and the color balance of the light sources may be the same. In that case, even though the backlights are different and have different CRIs, the result will be a matching gamut.

      "In general, an 8-bit display should in fact have a larger (but not necessarily wider) gamut than a 6-bit."

      The color gamut is the range of color possible to achieve. The bit depth determines the quantization within that gamut. Your use of the confusing and similar term "larger" is not helping matters any. Most people will equate "larger" and "wider" (understandably) as meaning the same thing. You should not be creating confusion in an effort to eliminate it. Having more bits does not make a gamut "larger". What it does is provide smoother tonality.

      "In an LCD display the spectrum of the backlight will determine how wide the gamut can be at its absolute maximum..." ...but not how wide it actually is. A backlight that determines gamut is a crappy backlight.

      "...if a color is not present in that spectrum, it cannot be filtered into existance by the LCD overlay."

      but a metamer of it can. That's how tristimulus display works!!! Whether a given spectral line exists in a backlight has no impact on whether a given color exists in the resulting gamut. If what you say were true, we wouldn't be using LED OR CCFL for backlights and CRTs wouldn't work worth a shit!

      "By the same token, the bit-depth-per-channel of the LCD overlay will determine how many individual color tones are in that gamut."

      Finally you got something right. Bit depth determines tonality, not gamut "largeness".

      "In reality, it's a lot more complicated than this, but this is the gist of it."

      Yes it is, and you know just enough to be dangerous. What you offered isn't "the gist of it" at all.

  4. Re:Must...resist...first-gen...hardware.... by Aoreias · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Macbook Pro's have been out for over a year now, and after Intel's flaw with the Pentium FPU, they've gotten very good about formally verifying their processors. It's hard to call it first-gen hardware by now.

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  5. LED Screen by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yeah, have fun taking your MacBook Pro to Boston :-)

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  6. Re:Apple surrenders? by daveschroeder · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Apple didn't "surrender" to Greenpeace.

    Apple simply issued a statement about its product environmental plans, among other things.

    Numerous other vendors were "greener" by Greenpeace standards because they had a public "environmental plan", or even a "plan to have a plan", whereas Apple was silent on futures as it relates to future products, as it always is.

    Perhaps Jobs thought it pragmatic to offer its plan publicly so that it would stop getting hammered by Greenpeace as having one of the worst environmental commitments in the industry, when in reality it has one of the best (sure, sure, cue the "but so-and-so is better/first/whatever than Apple is such-and-such category" comments). And besides, I thought it was actions, not lip service about possible future directions, that actually mattered?

    But the bottom line is Apple didn't "surrender"; it just published what its already-existing environmental plans were. If you call that a "surrender", then, hey, wave the white flag, Apple.

  7. Pun intended? by DohnJoe · · Score: 4, Funny

    according to the marketing president, "Apple's notebooks have always led the industry in innovation"

    yeah yeah, I *know* it's not funny...

  8. display by Peter+La+Casse · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The biggest news IMO is that the 17" MacBook Pro now comes with a 1920x1200 screen option. I've got that on my 15.4" Sager now, and it's wonderful. I'd rather have another 15.4", but I'd rather not step down to 1440x900.

  9. Awesome by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So when can I get a 2-button trackpad? Come on, Apple, that's just one mouse button per core. I want a real button, not a clever software simulation of two buttons. Just humor me, I'm dying to buy one of these babies.

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  10. I wish they quit keeping the "price points" by Shivetya · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and allow for most variety in configurations so that there would be "Pro" level laptops at more affordable prices.

    I like the discreet video, I do not need the 2.4, the monster drive, the large memory....

    so what about 1.66 or 1.83s with similar features, chipset, and such at a lower cost. 1gb memory, discreet graphics, for around $1500?

    Are they trying to protect the value of the previous generation still on the shelf?

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    1. Re:I wish they quit keeping the "price points" by Fex303 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      so what about 1.66 or 1.83s with similar features, chipset, and such at a lower cost. 1gb memory, discreet graphics, for around $1500?
      Ummm... Because at that pricepoint they have the black MacBook? And the only real difference between what you're describing and a standard MacBook is the separate video card.

      When I bought my MacBook (in January), I was a little wary of the idea of share video/system RAM, but it actually makes sense if you're not doing 3D work. Why carry around a bunch of RAM for your display if you're only going to render 2D windows with text and images? I've even played a few 3D games on it, and it performs acceptably, though has to work pretty hard and gets quite hot. Plugging in a 1680 x 1050 additional screen was no problem and it looks great for photos/videos.

      Seriously, if you're a gamer, get a desktop; if you're a 3D artist, get a MacBook Pro; but if you're someone who wants a fully-featured laptop for $1500, just give up on your 'I have to have the pro level gear' attitude and get the black MacBook. You'll be glad you did.

  11. Re:How does the chipset help? by k_187 · · Score: 4, Informative

    The big thing is that it will let the macbook pro address a full 4gb of RAM. In the previous revisions only 3GB could be addressed. I'd imagine there are also other power/performance improvements.

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  12. Re:How about putting some Zoom in the low end? by Bishop · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is not a bad choice. There is nothing wrong with the built-in Intel graphics (GMA950 etc) for 95% of uses. If you plan to play games such as World of Warcraft or Quake then you would want the dedicated ati graphics. It is only clueless whiny mac fanboys who have a hang up with the Intel graphics. I am sure someone can post a long list of benchmarks that show that the Intel graphics are slow, but they won't be able to show a list of how that actually effects the user. Unless you fire up WoW you aren't going to notice.

  13. Yay! nVidia! by metamatic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    For me, the best bit is that they ditched ATI for nVidia. I was planning on getting a regular MacBook in order to avoid ATI, but now I can go with the Pro.

    (ATI's drivers are teh suck, on OS X as well as Linux.)

    ((Opinions mine, not IBM's.))

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  14. The keyboard... by bludwulf · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I was hoping that the new Macbook Pro would feature the same new keyboard as the new Macbook, but alas, it seems as if hasn't been changed (aside from being more brightly backlit now).

  15. Re:I bought one! by Bachus9000 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Thanks for your responses. I did a little price comparison between the base MBP and (roughly) equivalent HPs and Dells and both of them ended up being more expensive--~$400 and ~$200, respectively. Granted, those are being compared to prices with an educational discount (and the HP has some kind of 3 year warranty by default although I don't know how much it covers compared to AppleCare), but that discount isn't much ($200 tops). Even without that discount the MBP is pretty competitive (if not cheaper), especially considering I don't think either of the others had any type of 802.11n card and both were slightly heavier than the MBP.

  16. Re:Apple surrenders? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm a former Apple Engineer, and I'm really getting a kick out of these replies.

    From talking with my former co-workers, Apple had been working with engineering sample LED backlight systems for almost a year when Greenpeace made their attention whoring report. Apple didn't choose LED systems only because they were mercury-free, they were also looking at lower power, brighter, longer lasting, and far cheaper to mass produce than cold cathode.

    Clearly Greenpeace had learned Apple was working on migrating their whole lineup to "greener", so they beat them to the punch with a completely bogus report. At that point, anything Apple did would seem as if it was a reaction to Greenpeace. Engineering lead times are far too long for these new backlights to have been brought in after the Greenpeace slander job.

  17. surrender by bussdriver · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is a BIG surrender to have apple to disclose any future plans whatsoever.

    People ironically love to bash their own advocates. (Greenpeace being indirect advocates for our wellbeing.) Y2K people are now discredited because the end of the world did not happen - but their actions helped funnel billions into preventing problems especially on mission critical systems. They won but get no glory.

    The only good public recognition a whistle blower gets is after the disaster when everybody gets to hear them say "I told you so." Even then, that still creates a large amount of resentment or people upset they didn't push hard enough to convince us before the disaster.

    We wouldn't know how bad or good apple was without somebody taking the effort. Greenpeace was doing their job and were not trying to get elected to office.
    Mull over that one.

    You SysAdmins who must have had to advocate preventive measures to the bosses in your career; and who also likely have to remind people when your plans saved them from "disaster."

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    1. Re:surrender by coyotl · · Score: 4, Insightful

      We wouldn't know how bad or good apple was without somebody taking the effort. Greenpeace was doing their job and were not trying to get elected to office.
      Mull over that one.

      I write this as a life-long environmentalist, Sierra Club member, and huge liberal.


      Greenpeace is evil.


      They rate companies not based on their impact on the environment, but rather what they say they will do at some future point. Their website rates Apple last, not because they polute or because they're killing baby seals, but because they refuse to tell Greenpeace what they're doing. We now know that Apple was innovating in a green way, they just didn't brag about their future plans. Despite this, Greenpeace still rates Apple as the worst company in the list.


      Meanwhile, companies are rated 'good' based on their statements, and not their actions.


      Greenpeace was not trying to get elected to office, true, but they are raising money. And that's what drives the organization these days, not saving the planet.


      coyote

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  18. Re:Apple surrenders? by GaryPatterson · · Score: 3, Interesting

    No, you're quite wrong.

    Look for the Rolling Stone interview with Steve Jobs, back when iTunes was originally launched. You'll find a quote from him about how DRM won't work and how they don't want to stay with DRM forever.