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Censorship is Changing the Face of the Internet
Lucas123 writes "Amnesty International is warning that the Internet "could change beyond all recognition" because state-sponsored censorship has spread from a handful of countries to dozens of governments that apply mandated net filtering, and because companies such as Google, Microsoft and Yahoo have remained complicit, according to a BBC story. '"More and more governments are realising the utility of controlling what people see online and major internet companies, in an attempt to expand their markets, are colluding in these attempts,"' said Tim Hancock, Amnesty's campaign director."
Governments want control, businesses want money.
There's nothing loving, forgiving or compassionate about a committee with a purpose.
The only question is how to prevent them from killing our freedoms. Democracy hasn't seemed to work all that well lately, at least in a two party system.
Oh, there will be a business model and an arms race, supplying tunnels and proxies to work around matters.
And the states that are censoring will have the truth used upon them in the suppository fashion.
Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
I hope this turns out to be an informed debate. We have all watched this slow incursion. It is obviously in full swing in repressive socvieties such as China and Burma. But it seems that Government legislatos are also tempted the curb certain things. In Australia it is material that could be condidered "sedition" such as Islamist (as opposed to islamic) sites calling for an Australian Jihad. But always, underneath, we detect the temptation moving further into banning activist websites as "sedition".
Unfortunately, many of these conferences get hijacked by the shrill calls of alarmists, who have more believe than knowledge, and emotion over thought.
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Corporations at one time tried to make money for their shareholders, then they began to realize that if they instead working on controlling the public, in what the public bought and thought, the money would come as a consequence.
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Governments have always worked on controlling the public, in what they thought and in some governments what they bought.
The difference is that corporations and governments are now vying for positions in how to best control the public. If a corporation allows the government to control it, it can get access to the population and thereby have some influence. If the corporation doesn't allow the government to control it, it will ether be shut down or shut out.
You can see this behavior in music, literature, web searches, museums, copyright, trademarks, patents and on and on and on.
As far as the public is concerned,
good luck
More and more governments are realising the utility of controlling what people see online and major internet companies, in an attempt to expand their markets, are colluding in these attempts,"
I don't think this is so much "changeing the face of the internet" as allowing the internet to grow into places where censorship has long been a part of life. The governments that are censoring are not comeing to any new realisations about controlling informantion, they are ust applying existing policies to a new medium. Any international companies that want to do business in those markets has a different set of rules there then they do in the US or UK. Internet based or not. This is not much different than when Nike started making shoes in China and there were outcries of the "inhuman sweatshops". It was crap pay by 1st world standards but a decent job in China at the time.
Yes censorship sucks, but there is a long list of things that suck in most countries that censor heavily. Would a lack of international companies in the PRC make it a better place to live? I don't think so.
We are all just people.
the Internet "could change beyond all recognition"
Compared to, say, when those very same totalitarian-type countries didn't have internet access at all? Compared to only a few years ago when it didn't exist at all? And, will China's internet censoring actually change it, beyond all recognition, for me? Will this article or the summary change the meaning of hyperbole beyond all recognition? Places like China have been lacking free speech since before the internet existed, and they still lack it. That China was a little slow applying their cultural norm to this newer tool isn't very shocking. What's terrible is that censorship IS their cultural norm. Change that, and little things like internet filtering, or centralized political control, etc., change right along with it. This is a symptom, not the problem.
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Current technology and practice is what makes censorship possible. In an ideal world, the only thing a network snoop, be it ISP or government, should see is generic packets full of encrypted bits. They should not be able to examine TCP headers or the contents of packets.
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This seems like an interesting story, but it lacks the earthshaking importance of the "chairbot" article. Slashdot really needs to refocus it's priorities.
Already does.
Hey! You must be that same guy who said back in 2000 that there would be a "huge outcry" if the electoral college went against the popular vote in the Presidential election (and the system would be immediately changed). Good to see you again, how's it going?
We know where leadership by an anti-intellectual "strongman" who scapegoats minorities and likes boisterous rallies goes
according to the BBC report, censorship is spreading. According to my state-run newspaper, everything is just fine
The easiest way to lay an issue to rest is to raise it the wrong way. The victims correct your mistakes, congratulate themselves and move along none the wiser.
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I can agree there would appear to be an amount of hypocrisy here.
A distinction should be made between what is real and what is communicated. Smoking marijuana may be illegal for example, but talking about smoking marijuana should not be illegal. In fact censoring this discussion would just make it more difficult for law enforcement to catch people. The same with breaking any other law, if you force the discussion underground, then it becomes harder to control, and more difficult to understand the sub-culture or personality types that get involved in unlawful or deviant activities. With respect to law enforcement, they would be breaking Sun Tzu's maxim of "know thy enemy". Censorship is happening to a large degree in many Western countries with regards to sex, drugs, gambling, terrorism, and so-called "hate" crimes (I have yet to understand how governments think they can control an emotion). People in the West should not be preaching to other countries about censorship until they stop censoring their own people. Unless they stop this hypocrisy, then their arguments are meaningless.
However, blocking the Internet is very difficult. Anyone -- even a person with no technical knowledge -- can use a proxy server to bypass the blockage. Just pick a proxy server that anonymizes the user. Then, enter the URL of the "dangerous" site like, say, CNN. The proxy server will fetch the content of the site.
The only way for a brutal society like China to truly block the Internet is to sever the Chinese Internet from the rest of the global Internet.
Also, blocking radio news is difficult since these days, almost anyone can buy a shortwave radio for under $50. A shortwave radio enables you to listen to Voice of America, Radio Free Asia, Radio Free Europe, etc.
The above observations lead to the interesting conclusion that most Russian citizens can still access fair and balanced news by (1) accessing Western web sites like CNN and Fox News and (2) tuning into Voice of America and Radio Free Europe. Statistics indicate that about 20% of Russians have regular access to the Internet. The other 80% could easily buy a shortwave radio. I recommend a Panasonic one.
The main problem in Russia is not government control of the Russian radio and television stations. The main problem is that most Russians genuinely support Putin and his authoritarian polices.
Similar comments apply to mainland China. Most Chinese who study at American universities support the occupation and brutalization of Tibetans. The Chinese in the USA know the truth (from CNN, Fox News, etc.) but reject it. They prefer Chinese nationalism.
Language can certainly be used to distort and deceive, but if your understanding of how this is done consists of claiming that the perpetrators do so by using words in something other than their "true meaning," you need a more sophisticated understanding of how language is used.
Are you adequate?
Otherwise, it will be rather confusing when trying to compare what you call a democracy with what the rest of the world calls a democracy.
It would end up like the word "Football".
A US-English speaking person and a International-English speaking person uses the same word for two different concepts.
Since it doesn't have the same meaning in the US as in the rest of the world, they had to come up with the word "Soccer" to describe the international definition of "Football" and we had to come up with "American football" to describe their definition of "Football".
/.Mattsson - My native language is not English, so please don't whine over linguistic errors. (That's lame anyway...)
I've often thought about how obselete democracy is. Every four years,we get to put a cross on a piece of paper for some bloke I've never met, to represent me. Why do we still use this archaic system of governance we call democracy? Computer technology is such a powerful enabling technology that could revolutionise governance. Many fields (e.g. Banking) have been totally revolutionised by computerisation. We could have the same revolutionisation within governance, by applying our collective intellectual capital to governing a country.
What is possible today is a franchise based voting system based not on the old premis of land ownership, but on our participation in society. We could be rewarded for our qualifications, our age, our life experience, with voting points within our areas of expertise. We could continually vote within our fields of expertise on issues of governance, and be rewarded for this participation by having more voting points within our individual areas of expertise.
Participatory Governance is a totally feasable option today, which would prevent the type of misuse of power the parent article is about.
Participatory Governance : The only feasible option for a real democracy, where everyone really does have a say.
The only channels that will not be censored in such states are those that are too small or obscure to end up on the information departments' bulleted lists. Internet used to be one of these, but that time is fast coming to an end.
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Look at history, rebels always win in the end
Meet the Diggers, the Albigensians, the Luddites, the Branch Davidians, the Tupac Amaristus, the Paris Communards....
Not yet, but if we're not careful, they will be.
Further, you could also easily say that "AT&T and the handful of other major carriers are not the entire internet" but if we don't protect the neutrality of the net, they definitely will be.
Point is, the internet isn't just going to stay the wooly, wide-open place it was 10 years ago. There's already a distinct chill in several precincts of the 'net. It sounds corny, but we have to be careful citizens of the Internet, demanding its protection and being good stewards of what is still a relatively unfettered place (except in China, Iran, etc.).
Oh, and just a reminder (not to you, Tassach, I know you know): The US is not The World. Yet.
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