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The SoundExchange Billion Dollar Administrative Fee

palewook writes "On June 7th, Yahoo, RealNetworks, Pandora, and Live365 sent letters to US lawmakers emphasizing they owe SoundExchange 'administrative fees' of more than $1 billion dollars a year. These fees would be paid for the 'privilege' of collecting the increased CRB royalties effective July 15th, unless the Internet Radio Equality Act passes Congress. SoundExchange, the non-profit music industry entity, admits the levied charge of $500 per 'channel' is supposed to only cover their administrative costs. Last year, SoundExchange collected a total of $20 million dollars from the Internet radio industry. Under the new 'administrative fee' RealNetworks, which hosted 400,000 unique subscribed channels in 2006, would owe an annual administrative charge of 200 million dollars in addition to the retroactive 2006 rate hike per song played."

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  1. My heroes by Timesprout · · Score: 4, Funny

    They beat me to it. It's always been my dream to set up a non-profit (for everyone else except me of couse) that rakes in money by charging other companies fee levels that I just make up.

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    1. Re:My heroes by Bodero · · Score: 4, Funny
      It's always been my dream to set up a non-profit (for everyone else except me of couse) that rakes in money by charging other companies fee levels that I just make up.


      There's always money to be made in the carbon offset business...

  2. Re:If you didn't vote Libertarian YOU ASKED FORTHI by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Funny

    With advocates like this, it's hard to believe people have difficulty taking Libertarians seriously.

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  3. Just like a cancer by WrongSizeGlass · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The RIAA will kill off internet radio, then another piece of the 'music pie', and then another and another until it has nothing left.

    1. Re:Just like a cancer by GreatBunzinni · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Correction: the RIAA will kill off internet radio FROM THE US of A. The RIAA is an american business association which lobbies the US government institutions to implement policies in order for their associates' business to thrive. It's influence outside of the US isn't felt, specially in countries where fair use rights are acknowledged and respected. So the only thing that the RIAA's antics will produce is effectively strangling the US market.

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  4. What's not mentioned... by __aaclcg7560 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is that the politicians want their share of shakedown. Has anyone noticed that Microsoft had zero lobbyists in Washington before the anti-trust lawsuit, and they now spend $200 million a year on Washington lobbyists? Internet radio will have to pay the piper.

    1. Re:What's not mentioned... by _Sprocket_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Has anyone noticed that Microsoft had zero lobbyists in Washington before the anti-trust lawsuit, and they now spend $200 million a year on Washington lobbyists?


      This is always touted as one of Microsoft's lessons learned - be involved in the government. Part of this is probably due to a belief that the anti-trust lawsuit was a vendetta brought on by more politically savvy sour-grapes competitors. I don't agree. But I do think it was only a matter of time for Microsoft to get involved anyway.

      Microsoft is a large entity with a vested interest in how the market behaves. And the market itself is large enough to touch on almost every aspect of our lives (its what "we" always knew would happen back in the '80s with our little hobbiest microcomputers waxing poetic about the future). With the market so important, Congress is going to get involved eventually... mainly at the prodding of lobbyists from other industries touched by the expanding IT market. It makes sense that Microsoft would decide to have its views put in the ears of Congress as well.

      Does this mean Congress-critters are demanding payouts? I'm not so sure its exactly that (although I would expect it is accurate in some cases). But I am positive you're not going to be well represented if those that would represent your view are unaware of what that view is. Or even worse... people with an opposing view have managed to convince your favorite Congress-critter that reality lines up with their viewpoint (queue this post's theme song).
  5. I wonder what real will do.... by d3ity · · Score: 5, Funny

    I wonder what Real Networks will do if they can't come up with the $200 million dollars they apparently owe... They'll probably stall for time... Buffering...

  6. Only Americans will be silenced by Cafe+Alpha · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Cheer up, the rest of the world will still have freedom on the internet. It's just us Americans who will be regulated out of having any expression.

    We'll still be able to listen to Russian stations.

    Where's you're "In Soviet Russia..." joke now, bitches?

    1. Re:Only Americans will be silenced by cabinetsoft · · Score: 5, Funny

      In Soviet Russian, the radio listens to YOU!
      That ain't funny, that's informative! The radio, the ashtray, the walls...
  7. Resposible Government, the anti-drug by Smight · · Score: 4, Funny

    Government to SoundExchange: What is this?! Where did you learn to charge these outrageous administrative fees? Was it from all those lawyers I see you hanging around with?

    SoundExchange to Government: I learned it from YOU OK! I learned it by watching you *sob*

    SoundExchange runs out of the room while Government stares into the distance meaningfully.

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  8. no love lost with Real Networks, BUT - by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful
    the RIAA is simply evil beyond all bounds of reason. I'm surprised that some nutjob asshat hasn't yet barged into their offices and raked 'em all down with machine gun fire. Everything they are doing is so bad and so dangerous to the legacy of the late 20th and early 21st century, it really is criminal.

    While I don't advocate someone blowing their office to flinders with a bomb or some other evil terroristic act, I am surprised that it hasn't happened yet (one would think that with all the loosely bound people in the USA, one of them would have freaked out by now and targeted them...)

    What I DO advocate is that the RIAA and the MPAA and their associated organisations be banned and eliminated and the music and film artists and industry re-organise itself along more open and egalitarian lines.

    RS

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    1. Re:no love lost with Real Networks, BUT - by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm surprised that some nutjob asshat hasn't yet barged into their offices and raked 'em all down with machine gun fire.

      You're going to jail for this!

      While I don't advocate someone blowing their office to flinders

      Fine, you're off the hook...

      with a bomb or some other evil terroristic act

      That's is: jail time!

      I am surprised that it hasn't happened yet

      Oh ok, you're a fine fella.

      (one would think that with all the loosely bound people in the USA, one of them would have freaked out by now and targeted them...)

      Effin terrorist! JAIL!

      What I DO advocate is that the RIAA and the MPAA and their associated organisations be banned

      Oh, banned. That's cool I guess. ... and eliminated

      Screw it, I'm calling the FBI on ya!!

  9. Re:I'm so conflicted by LighterShadeOfBlack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wait a second here... that means whoever ends up getting screwed, I win. Rock On. No I think a more realistic way of looking at it is "Whoever wins... we lose". This situation is a lot like the AvP movie in other ways too: I can't bear to watch this either.
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  10. Re:dollars $ dollars by 2.7182 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I was walking over to an ATM machine the other day, when I realized that many other people have the same PIN number as me. I thought "they should have a personalized PIN number." Also, my bank still uses those old CRT tubes and they are hard to read, so they really need to upgrade the whole thing. Anyway I went into the bank to sit and talk to a representative about this, and I was reading a DC comic, and the light next to me was flickering. Damn that AC current! I took out my laptop, since I wanted to learn more about CSS style sheets. (Are they under the GPL license btw ?) After about 5 minutes of reading I had a headache - I felt like an ICBM missile had hit my head! Or maybe it was from my LCD display. What I need is a vacation I thought - so I went home and started to pack my SCUBA gear.

  11. To put this in perspective by Solandri · · Score: 4, Informative

    To put the $1 billion in perspective, the net revenue for all music sales in 2006 in the U.S. reported by the RIAA was only $11.5 billion. That's revenue, not profit.

  12. The Fee is Per Channel... by Benedick · · Score: 5, Insightful
    The fact that the fee is per channel gets me thinking. At Pandora, I have two defined channels. Those channels introduce me to new music, new artists, perhaps artists not represented by the RIAA. Think about that.

    If Pandora has ten thousand listeners like me, that's twenty thousand stations times $500 per station is ten million dollars. That's probably enough to kill Pandora and any other customizable channel internet radio site. But if the internet radio site only had say five channels, that's only $2,500, easily affordable by a commercial site.

    My conclusion from this little exercise is that the RIAA is out to kill customizable channels. They don't want you to learn about music on your own. They only want you to listen to whatever the latest pop sensation is. They want to eliminate choice and the extra expense of having so many artists. If they can make it so all you ever hear is the generic artist of the moment, that's all you'll know and all you'll buy.

    This is all about control. RIAA wants to make sure they control not just your access to their artists but your ability to discover new artists not under their contracts. Internet radio is a growing force and a growing threat to their ability to pick what music you buy.

    I can only hope that they have overreached; that the huge amount of money involved here makes their motives visible to Congress. And that Congress cares. That sure makes it sound like a lost cause, doesn't it?