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How to Save the Internet

An anonymous reader writes "An article up at the Harvard Business Review's website by Jonathan Zittrain, one of the founders of the Berkman Center, discusses how the desire to clamp down on Internet openness can be avoided. From the piece: 'Those who provide content and services over the Internet have lined up in favor of "network neutrality," by which ISPs would not be permitted to disfavor certain legitimate content that passes through their servers. Similarly, those who offer open APIs on the Internet ought to be application neutral, so all those who want to build on top of their interfaces can rely on certain basic functionality. Generative systems offer extraordinary benefits. As they go mainstream, the people using them can share some sense of the experimentalist spirit that drives them.'"

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  1. I have a better solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Everyday, I fill up a jar with a little piece of the internet. Right now, my house is full of jars, but I figure this will pay off once the internet is gone.

    1. Re:I have a better solution by smittyoneeach · · Score: 3, Funny

      fill up a jar
      Oh java, you were ever the solution in search of a problem.
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      Get thee glass eyes, and, like a scurvy politician, seem to see things thou dost not.--King Lear
    2. Re:I have a better solution by that+this+is+not+und · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I do the same thing, in terms of archiving and locally mirroring anything and everything I think I will find useful.

      That means I have the entire NetBSD distfiles (source tarballs) for a fairly recent Pkgsrc version ("make mirror-distfiles" is your friend,) and data and info for all the equipment, etc. that I have or want. Also it's important to grab old stuff while you can, like collections of OS/2 applications, and even Simtelnet's MS-DOS archives.

      Not because I assume it will all one-day go away. Because I KNOW lots of it will go away, because a lot of it already has.

  2. Easy. by 313373_bot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Keep any form of legislation out of it. Let it self-regulate. Sounds radical and utopian, but the opposite seems even worse, ineffective and ultimately pointless.

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    1. Re:Easy. by suv4x4 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Keep any form of legislation out of it. Sounds radical and utopian, but the opposite seems even worse, ineffective and ultimately pointless.

      I'd give a hand* to eradicate cybersquatters by legislation. Also we have a big spam/scammer problem.

      Legislation isn't out of the question, it just has to be applied with discipline. The internet is in its "wild west" phase right now, but as can be seen in USA itself, this is not a phase that lasts forever.

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      *Ok, I'd not give a hand, but you get my point.

    2. Re:Easy. by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I don't think we have problem with spam or scammers that we can fix with legislation. Firstly, with spam, I have seen more than 2 spam messages per day in my inbox for a long time. This is through using GMail's filtering as well as SpamAssassin. Filtering out spam can get pretty far on just software, or at least a lot further than you'd get through legislation. Telling people not to send spam (especially when it's only illegal in certain countries) wouldn't get people to stop sending it. Also with scammers, it's a problem with education of the users, not with legislation. If people are stupid enough to type their bank password into some third party site because of an email they got, then they need to be educated about why that is such a bad idea.

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    3. Re:Easy. by rustalot42684 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yeah, 'cause deregulation ALWAYS works. Yes, it works in some areas of the market.

      "But what is there stopping someone from making their own, new ISP that does not prioritize certain traffic?"

      The costs of starting a new telecommunications provider are huge. You would have to lay in all your own fibre-optic cable and build a new infrastructure from scratch. Face it: The costs of making a new ISP are so immense that only someone like Google or Yahoo would be able to do it, and even then it would be VERY risky. So you're stuck with the ones you have: Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Time-Warner, etc, and in Canada, I have Bell or Rogers. Because new competition is virtually impossible, they have no reason not to charge more & in new ways.

    4. Re:Easy. by Planesdragon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you're absolutey right. I mean, look at how quickly the meat packing industry cleaned up after The Jungle. Or how quickly the automobile industry rolled out seat belts and air bags to all their automobiles, even the cheap ones, just because it was a good idea.

      Self-regulation is a fool's dream, moreso than industry by demand.

    5. Re:Easy. by CastrTroy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Legislation through the organizations that handle domain registrations. This doesn't need to be dealt with at a criminal or government level. This is something that the internet can deal with on it's own, without incorporating the help of people in governments who don't understand the technology.

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      Anthropic principle: We see the universe the way it is because if it were different we would not be here to see it.
    6. Re:Easy. by suv4x4 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I understand your analogy, but isn't it a bit specious? Did you ever fear being gunned down like a dog while running your shell account? ;^)

      Yes, we all fear. Isn't it obvious:

      "Don't forget your anti-virus, anti-malware, anti-phishing!"
      "Do you know of a good spam filter?
      "You need a good firewall, I recommend XYZ!"
      "Internet Explorer isn't secure, get Firefox"
      "You absolutely need to be always patched with the latest fixes?"
      "I have all my ports closed but 80 and 443, even on those I'm having special rules setup."
      "Drive-By Downloads: definition"
      "Spammers attack back anti-spam site with DoS attack"

      Does it sound like the Internet is a safe and happy place?

      But here, I'll extend the analogy even further and explain the reasons: every single industry/society in the history so far is moving in cycles:

      1. First cycle is early adopters, accidentally stumbling upon something new, people who use and develop something for the hell of it, without the general public realizing what it may be useful for (Columbus accidentally stumbling upon USA and thinking it's India)

      2. Free phase: great for innovation, since the entry level is ridiculously low, anyone gets a chance, but there's no stability, no control, and that limits the use of previously mentioned innovation (wild west phase).

      3. Police State phase: everything is legislated, entry level is high, but there's stability, so that you can rely upon the inventions of phase "2". There's still some innovation going on, but people rely on stability a lot more.

      So there we go. Things that happen in the wild west phase don't keep repeating forever. There won't be a new Google every few years, for example, just like there won't be new Microsoft any time soon. Search engine has been invented and working well enough already, we'll mostly see legislation and increase in stability in this area. Innovation will happen elsewhere.

      In the great Slashdot spirit of car analogies, I'll also ask you to imagine road without legislation. Sure, if this was the case, we'd have most problems with technology: much more intelligent, sturdier cars, cars that can take huge impact and the passengers will survive.

      But they'll also cost a lot more in money and time to maintain and be sure the next time you crash you won't be dead, since it'll be perfectly legal to drive drunk zig-zag accross the road.

    7. Re:Easy. by ls+-la · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The inherent problem with this is that you assume people in general are smart and rational.

    8. Re:Easy. by node+3 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Legislation through the organizations that handle domain registrations. This doesn't need to be dealt with at a criminal or government level. This is something that the internet can deal with on it's own, without incorporating the help of people in governments who don't understand the technology. How so? That's exactly how it is now, and there's no regulation for this whatsoever. What motivation *AT ALL* do the registrars have to not allow domain squatting? None. The incentive is *exactly the opposite*.

      That's the problem with libertarian free-market fundamentalists. Sometimes the market promotes undesirable behavior. For example, the free market promotes theft and murder. We regulate those activities because they are deemed to be sufficiently undesirable. Domain squatting isn't as bad as murder, but is in some ways like theft (blocking a limited resource with little-to-no societal benefit from being used productively by someone else, hence "squatting"). If you deem it sufficiently undesirable, the only logical solution is regulation. You're far more likely to find results with government regulation than you will with voluntary free-market regulation.

      For example, without the EPA, do you think the environment would be cleaner or dirtier than it is now?
  3. Don't Worry Ma'm by m1sha · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'm here to save your internet!

  4. Crisis? What crisis? I stopped at page one. by Torodung · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The only crisis I see regarding the Internet is that a large percentage of its users and networks implement a fundamentally insecure operating system, and the overwhelming majority of the client side users that run that operating system do so as ROOT, because that was the default install.

    That's a garbage in/garbage out (GIGO) proposal for the Internet.

    Otherwise, I think the Internet can handle it. It is carefully maintained and I think we'll even solve the looming address space problem. It doesn't need "saving" from anything but predatory last mile carrier profiteer rail barons who want to choke it off at the access points for profit.

    So, Mr. Zittrain, your basic premise is flawed.

    Here's a brief for a future article: The crisis is not with the *Inter*net, it is with the networks themselves that are internetworked. They're not secure. That's a local crisis, on a user by user and network by network basis. No change to the Internet or its protocols can fix it. GIGO.

    Discuss.

    If that was what your article eventually discussed, I apologize for my prejudice, but I couldn't get past your "Chicken Little" premises and foregone conclusion that "the Internet" is somehow in the crisis you described.

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    Toro

  5. Does this not call for a redesign of the internet? by perlhacker14 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Lets face it: the internet is a mockery of what it was meant to be. It is full of literally crap and is subject to the whims of politically oriented morons. If the internet was redesigned, there would be a chance to restart: a chance to redesign the net to suit what is best, without idiotic interference. The issue of net neutrality would come up, but with a redesign that works around it, there would be no problem. Think: a new chance to fix all the ridiculous errors and issues and clean up the internet through a redesign.

  6. About appliance-like locked down computers by lachesis-jp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The article is interesting, long but interesting. The author is arguing among other things that PCs should stay mainstream because they are a motor of innovation since they are easily adapted to new applications. The author sees closed appliances such as tivos as a danger to innovation.

    I too believe that PC are extremely important in our society. But I am not sure that the generalization of locked down internet-appliance would be a bad thing.

    The main reason we are assaulted by spam and that botnets are rampant is that the average user is ignorant. A computer is a great tool and it's a very powerful one but as the other said "with power comes responsibility". But for a large portion of the users, the computer is a tool, that they use for a rather limited set of applications, and they have no deep understanding of how it works and what they have to do to use it properly : we can see that in the inability of so many to secure their computers.

    To use the sacrosanct car analogy, computers are like cars that you can drive without license. Since you don't need a license, people don't bother learning how to operate it properly : they are not interested and I can understand that. The problem is that now computers are interconnected and interact with others computers the same as cars interact with other cars on the road. You could very well operate your car without learning anything other than how to turn it on and accelerate but in that case, it is required that every drivers learn how to use turning light and other things before they can go on the road so that they don't impact the welfare as the other users.

    On the other hand, I'm sure that , those problems will be reduced in the future as children that have been brought up around computers and the internet will be more computer literate than their parents but the general level of computer illiteracy I see around me makes me think that it will take a long long time before the average joe can be trusted with a computer.

    What could be done to reduce this problem :
            -Nothing. Things are going to worsen but there is probably nothing we can do.
            -Let OS vendors turn to trusted computing but that would destroy the power and usefulness of General Purpose computer for everybody.
            -Hope people will turn to easy-to use appliance like device.

    I think we are indeed seeing that on a level : we can already find appliance-like locked down computers in many houses : tivos, xbox, playstation, they all are lockdown computers. Not everybody need a PC and I think it would be good if people had the choice not to get a real PC if they don't have the skills to use it.

  7. Better than a EULA! by Torodung · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It's not a EULA. There is no licensure. There isn't anything to agree to, either, other than copyright law in general or their TOS/AUP if you're a subscriber. No license. No agreement.

    It's simply a 189-word boilerplate statement about their commitment to copyright, and a statement of policy.

    In the first paragraph, however, is the stand-out offer:

    We therefore allow you to excerpt up to 500 words of an article for your personal use. This excerpt may be posted in your or another's blog or site, provided that it is accompanied by a link to the page on which the original article appears.

    The way I read that is that HBR Online grants anyone who clicks "I accept" up to 500 words of limited personal republication rights, which is rights to exactly 500 more words than any other copyrighted publication. They simply ask that you link the full article in return.

    Or you could accept no republication rights at all. Your choice.

    So far from being a EULA, it's a concession. HBR Online is going to accept that small bloggers can't really use a "fair use" defense and is going to give them, beyond "fair use" coverage, limited rights in return for a link back. That is a good deal at a good price.

    All I can say to HBR is, "Thank you." After a brief bit of reading I happily clicked "I accept."

    Or as you said: "Openness. Right."

    -- Toro